Thread 17761642

Historically, how important is foreign aid in driving a nation's development?

>>17761642 (OP)
anybody who thinks that those 5 trillion actually went to africa is delusional

>>17761653
yeah there's no way Africa wouldn't be first world right now if they *actually* got foreign aid, right?

>>17761662
humanitarian aid's main purpose is to be the mother of all money washmachines

>>17761642 (OP)
>we sacrified the stars
We wiil never colonize space anyway
This retard know nothing about what is he talking about

>>17761699
This. Not saying that it isn't a tragedy all that money was thrown into a sinkhole called Africa, but normies who still believe in space travel are delusional.

>>17761777
We will go extinct before we get out of earth
Space colonization is fantasy and its better that way, if we meet a race of aliens, they would probably rape us

>>17761642 (OP)
Having an absolutely rotten, corrupted government does not help. I'm referring to all African nations.

>>17761780
We will never leave earth even under the most favorable circumstances like world peace. Most normies don't even know how long a fucking light-year is. The tech simply doesn't and will never exist.

>>17761642 (OP)
Now post the value of the commodity, raw material and resources taken from Africa since the 19th century

>>17761683
And basically create welfare jobs for the ivory tower.

>>17761789
>absolutely rotten, corrupted government
Thats nkt really exceptional if you read up on the crazy corruption stories inside and outside the iron curtain

>>17761777
>Not saying that it isn't a tragedy all that money was thrown into a sinkhole called Africa
They money actually did its job quite well. You think it's supposed to be about development? Aid is all about influence and keeping countries within an ecosystem.

>>17761699
>>17761802
We won't...but our robots will

>>17761653
Africa's population is 1.4 billion, and it's approximately 1.4 billion too many people, so clearly that money must've been put to good use feeding the birds, so to speak
>>17761662
Black people.
>>17761683
Africans.

>>17761642 (OP)
foreign aid teamed with weaponized trade policies is actually meant to keep developing countries down. btw we gave up the stars to fund the vietnam war further, apollo was cut towards the peak of the war under nixon. you can thank the imperialist war profiteering satanists for that, instead of punching down at poor brown people like usual

>>17761642 (OP)
That's $5 trillion over the course of 53 years whereas the Marshall Plan was over the course of just 4 years, so the comparison being made is somewhat dishonest but it's also an emotionally/politically charged twitter post so that's par for the course

>>17761777
>>17761699
solar system travel and colonization and capitalization is 100% possible, shortsighted greed pigs just dont want to delay profit returns on investments to make it happen. you know just about as much as the retard you are complaining about

>>17761939
>solar system travel and colonization and capitalization is 100% possible
It's been possible for decades but that's not really the issue anyways. It's one thing to be possible and another to be practical or desirable. I think Mars could be a good target because the tempurature is (relatively) mild at the equator but that's a lot of money to spend on living in a cube in some desert that takes 6 months minimum in a cage just to even get to

>>17761953
between what the moon and asteroid belt can provide in terms of raw mineral wealth and fuels, its should have been embarked upon decades ago. the american government would rather print trillions on the interest alone owned over wars than properly fund fusion, superconductors, space elevators, etc needed to make it happen. nothing but a complete failing of a worthless cretin class of "leaders"

>>17761932
>Africa's population is 1.4 billion
Big continent has large numbers of people? HOLY FUCK, give this anon a medal!

>>17761965
Well yeah, it's easier to sell the idea that America can just buy allies with foreign aid while being able to play altruist to the old suits in Congress than it is to sell the idea of sending like 4 guys to some lifeless rock when we've already visited one several times in the past and can just send robots there instead

>>17761642 (OP)
One way or another, money went into a blackhole.

>>17761976
What have said people done for themselves and the world or humanity in general?

>>17761992
Making chuds like you mad with their very existance is something I would be really proud of, for example

>>17761803
>Now post the value of the commodity, raw material and resources taken from Africa since the 19th century
Africa was barely colonized in the 19th century and most of its resources weren't exploited until well after colonization.

>>17761936
>equivalent of 50 marshall plans

>>17761936
is the 5.4 trillion part even accurate, I ask since the source is a blog

>>17761642 (OP)
But now we cut AID to africa and money to NASA at the same time by the same people

>>17761642 (OP)
Top 2 african recipients are somalians and ethiopains and somehow they’re still having famines in 2025…

>>17761642 (OP)
It makes zero difference.
Foreign aid is just slush money and bribes.
GDP per capita is proportional to national average IQ.

>>17761803
You mean... Dirt. Right?

>>17761642 (OP)
Current aid to Africa is ~$50 billion a year.
A Trillion dollars every generation.

>>17761642 (OP)
The proof its mostly hopeless is China.
China gave a much higher proportion of its GDP to Africa back even when it was much poorer, and didn't make all of the "mistakes" (not asking African's what they actually need in their own context) the US did.
And in spite of this, we have the "all so tiresome result" for the Chinese, and for most intents and purposes the Americans and Europeans have given up on African development as an aid tool and instead just send them finished products.

What people can't/wont accept is that civ building is a bloody business and its was in every nation in the developed world.

Yet the rest of the world steps in whenever the consolidation wars start, and so Africa will forever remain in arrested development with a bunch of premodern tribal identities vs being melted down and fused together into workable modern nations via massive conflict.

>>17762124
Which is great, if you ask me. Not every single place in the world should be a polluted concrete jungle ruled by overlords, and filled with their slaves who have no sense of identity, nor dignity, nor humanity

All of that is either
1. Money laundered back to wherever it came from (mostly this)
2. Money that went directly to some African dictator that spent it on themselves

>>17762124
>And in spite of this, we have the "all so tiresome result" for the Chinese
Chinese are still investing a ton into Africa. The all so tiresome meme is taken way outta context because many Chinese know they were honestly as bad or often times worse.

>What people can't/wont accept is that civ building is a bloody business and its was in every nation in the developed world.
True but I do thing much larger and more populated/geopolitical relevant states could flaunt Copyright and IP protection laws alongside most orgs being powerless from getting member states from flaunting their rulings which both developed states and notable developing states such as China and India have frequently done. If I as only an individual can buy up debt from some 13 million people podunk state as a vulture fund parasite and then spend my days jewing the state by non-stop bringing them to court in some third party state and making them pay up more (and cucking the other debt shares owners willing to negotiate for less), I don't think pulling a "fuck you whatcha gonna do beetch" approach would work.

>>17762104
>GDP per capita is proportional to national average IQ.
Falls apart in many cases though.

>>17762048
>Africa was barely colonized in the 19th century.
It was ramping up pretty fast by then
>most of its resources weren't exploited until well after colonization.
Not at all. A lot of it was already exploited or known of in the colonial era on top of the exploitation of human resources (as laborers and soldiers) being well known. Many states inside and outside of Africa had their labour and resource exploitation ramped up during the two world wars to feed the war machine on both sides.
Both ap

>>17762387
Chinese investment into Africa is just a way for them to escape being a manufacturing economy that's holding them back by attempting to turn Africa into what China itself is to the US but it mostly failed because there's actually far more NIMBYism in Africa that doesn't get enough credit plus different African countries have wildly different local zoning laws, and the few Sub Saharan nations that have a relatively high HDI like Botswana are because they took the tourism pill

>>17761932
>Downplaying
Africa's utility is merely existing so Westerners have a scarecrow to harass, focus and obsess over into perpetuity while they leave everyone else alone.

>>17761834
I wasn't excluding anyone else. I was just saying Africa is a great example.

>>17761642 (OP)
>and then suddenly western countries just gave money to africa for no reason
>surely its not related to all the mines and plantations still owned by western corporations
Western aid to africa is a direct equivalent of food stamps for full time wallmart workers - they are simply exploited so hard that they would starve if the governments didn't step in to prop this whole system up. Plus the aid actually suppresses development because the local production cannot compete with "free" stuff.

>>17762408
China regularly gets FELL FOR IT AGAIN AWARD when trawling through African business corruption. There's money to be made in Africa, but man, corruption has to be priced in as a business risk.

The problem with doing business in africa is the risk of nationalization, coups, paying bribes, increased taxes, theft. Imagine putting $600 million into developing mines and then just 7 years down the road the government there decides to tax most of the profit away.

>>17762800
>i have to pay taxes for mining operations? This is a white genocide o algo
>these chynese are just too dumb to understand they are being white genocided and need to kill all the NIGGERS

>>17761933
>you can thank the imperialist war profiteering satanists for that, instead of punching down at poor brown people like usual
Why not both?

>>17761699
He's just saying Africans bad, that's it, even if not a single cent went to Africa, NASA will still be underfunded and crackers will blame us anyway.

>>17761992
what have you done?

>>17761642 (OP)
It's hilarious when Americans dumbass nazis like trump don't realize that USAID were essentially bribes to the ruling classes of the nations to prevent them from falling to communism. USAID was a form of soft power and without it America will slowly become more irrelevant as nations switch over to China. Once Israel destroys the petrodollar over nazi bullahit. It's the china century.

>>17763343
2 more weeks pajeet

>>17762808
Oh, I think the Chinese understand very well.

Africa will be in serious trouble the moment bleeding heart white liberals are no longer an influence in the world. You will miss biting the hand that feeds you when you bite a yellow hand and simply get your head kicked in. Ah, who am I kidding, you probably won't even understand what is happening.

we sacrificed the stars to cut taxes for rich people and trying to pretend it had anything to do with blacks is just cope from those same richfags (and their ideological descendants)
The Apollo missions coexisted with the Great Society

>>17763366
>sure black people cause problems
>but don't you realize jewish billionaires also cause problems
>that is why we should drag down the "rich" (white middle classes) instead of either of these groups

>>17761642 (OP)
>(((development)))

>>17763386
Don't be so disingenuous lol

>>17763358
>Oh, I think the Chinese understand very well.
That guy in pic got arrested and is rotting in jail. Many get outright deported lol.

>Africa will be in serious trouble the moment bleeding heart white liberals are no longer an influence in the world. You will miss biting the hand that feeds you when you bite a yellow hand and simply get your head kicked in.
You literally sound like an abusive ex. Why do chuds project so hard onto everyone?

>>17763358
I doubt this will actually happen, Westerners (especially Americans) project many of their worst tendencies on the Chinese. Who don't get me wrong, are by themselves cancerous enough on their own. Just not in the way commonly imagined by the western imaginary.

>>17762800
>Imagine putting $600 million into developing mines and then just 7 years down the road the government there decides to tax most of the profit away.

mines in Aftica have the lowest taxes in the industry, nationalization is rare and mining companies STILL dodge taxes and commit fraud. What the fuck do they want at this point?

>>17761642 (OP)
>a nation's development
???
Foreign aid drives a nation's foreign and trade policy, nothing to do with development at all.

>>17761642 (OP)
Ocassionally useful in the short term. However it is easily abused by malicious actors. Though most humanitarian Aid specially for Africa isn't necessarily used for development. A lot of foreign aid is just healthcare, water purification, literacy programas. Thing used to heighten QoL in a way that doesn't necessarily impel develop a conventionally measured.
>>17763612
by the western mind*

>>17763612
>I doubt this will actually happen
it's actually already happening though?
chinese aid works in exactly the same way as marshall plan style aid, only at chinese product quality and without the locals having the wits to realize the pitfalls involved

>>17763358
>muh chyna would colonize africa if not the beneviolent western liberals protecting it by colonizing it themselves
Pure psychological projection

>>17762387
You should talk to an actual Chinese citizen, in a context where they don't feel the need to 'blend in' or moderate what they're saying (give them a few drinks, it usually works). Their opinion on black africans would make a literal Klansman look like Martin Luther King.

>>17763627
Yeah, no
Africans like China because it actually delivers stuff and trades with them like normal people instead of lecturing, gaslighting and stealing from them like the eternal crakkker
Westerners whine about imaginary debt trap while shaking down Africans for money at gunpoint and cry that China is totally going to seize African infrastructure while like half the ports in Africa are owned by random whitoid oligarchs

>>17763639
>you should talk to the chinese basement dwelling liberal chuds posting on english Internet, they are the real representation of chinese society
Yeah, ok

>>17763640
OK Wumao, enjoy your 0.50 RMB

>>17763642
You actually might be dumb and brainwashed enough to do it for free

>>17763651
>wumao
Case in point, the typical chud schizophrenia about everyone who disagrees with their delusions being a "paid shill"

>>17763600
>disingenuous
why did the rich cut taxes and spend trillions on black people then

your argument is a completely illogical ass pull, it seems like you just wanted to say "blame the rich not minorities", well, I do blame the rich, and minorities, what do you have to say about that

>>17763666
>spend trillions on black people then
Proving the point bot. Why obssess over creating sucha scapegoat? Its not like it helps you or leads to any material gain.

>well, I do blame the rich, and minorities, what do you have to say about that
Are you arguing with the voices in your head or are you that terminally online. Can't take you seriously like that

>>17763651
>Wumao
You dont even know what that means. A "Wumao" would be a white liberals arts degree holding woman traveling to Africa with a 6-fig salary in an NGO teaching Africans how to be gay while bashing a effeminate man wearing a woman's head covering for being "too religious" because she thinks it's a hijab.

>>17763627
>only at chinese product quality
Its pretty good. They sell cost effective smartphones that cater to the locals markets and Transsion is expanding into the EV market to employ the same strategy it did to gain ~50% of the phone martket in Africa over ten years. The only non-Chinese brand that has an impact is Samsung which is 2nd place. They literally aren't doing anything special at all.

>w-we sacrificed the starrrrrs
lmaoooo who's we in this case you moron

>>17763663
>>17763676
1.50 RMB accumulated ITT so far, be careful boys, Beijing is in financial trouble at the moment, you don't want to break the bank.

>>17763663
He heard the word Wumao and is now applying it to everything

>>17762793
>they would starve if the governments didn't step in to prop this whole system up
Wait, is this supposed to be good or bad?

>>17761642 (OP)
50 Marshall plans? What did kangz spend all that money on? We could have built a Dyson sphere and enjoyed free energy for all of humanity with all that cash

>>17761642 (OP) It's not important. Bharat was doing fine without 'foreign aid'.

>>17763693
It means they'd shift to self sufficiency and local trade over focusing on cash crops to gain foreign currency and importing food

>>17763691
>The 50 Cent Party, also known as the 50 Cent Army or wumao (/ˈwuːmaʊ/; from Chinese: 五毛; lit. 'five dimes'), are Internet commentators who are paid by the authorities of the People's Republic of China to spread the propaganda of the governing Chinese Communist Party (CCP).[1][2][3] The program was created during the early phases of the Internet's rollout to the wider public in China.[1]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Cent_Party

It's cute when commies like you pretend that you have any idea what reality is.

>>17763600
>disingenuous
Why does 4chan love this word so much these last few years?

>>17761642 (OP)
europeans should learn from china and actually invest them as economic partners than some poorfags who constantly need help and mothering
>but le debt trap

>>17761642 (OP)
>Poland's yearly GDP times 5 will take us to the stars!

>>17763693
>>17763715
Bad for the west because crakkkas profit from buying cash crops and processing them for massive profits

>>17763676
That would be "baizuo" which is a term cooked up by chinese equivalent of 8-no-chin/dark elightenment retards

>>17762387
>Chinese are still investing a ton into Africa...
right and its questionable how well that is working
Dragons Gift is a good book on the subject.

> I don't think pulling a "fuck you whatcha gonna do beetch" approach would wor
I don't really get what you're on about.
My point is that to form a modern capable nation state, you need wars, a lot of them, and bloody ones.
That's how all that tribal territorialized nonsense gets shook out.

The fake divisions are destroyed by the wars, and the real ones are reflected by the new borders.

The thing you need to remember is the white man's burden has never gone away. Africa is still treated like the Wests child. China is a little better but still it's cool uncle.
Until the world take it seriously (prior to it actually demonstrating it ought to be) and kicks it out of the house, it's going to remain a mess.

>>17763779
>That's how all that tribal territorialized nonsense gets shook out.
But it didn't, many states still fought a ton and still had tribal dynamics. Pillarization was very prevalent in Belgium and yhe Netherlands.

>>17763734
Its not that frequently, but it is a word that is linger than 7 letters so it stands out.

Has any genius come from that continent to justify this expenditure?
At least 1?
No?
....

>>17761642 (OP)
yet the British took 10x this from south asia. Estimates had over 30% of world gdp and population under the Mugals. England was a second tier nation in Europe compared to Austria/France and became the most powerful in 50 years of indian profit.
Europe deserves to send billions more to africa and have billions of africans come to eurppe for their actions.

geopolitical affairs are managed by supranational organzations managing countries as pretext for extraction of resources and productivity

foreign aid just one tool to keep the parasitic balance of hegemony, a means to fund projects/infrastructure/figureheads that facilitate the aforementioned

>>17763797

some chosen for resource extraction others grafted into cult initiation through these same western imperial pursuits, functioning as purveyors

China would still be naked and opium addicted if that were made apart to the agenda, as would Japan

Forced under the heel of empire, developed to standard as a means to further the continuation of western agendas, but the pursestrings are centralized all made to serve ONE agenda

>we sacrificed the stars
crys from a utter fool that has yet to even understand the extent of his folly

>>17761642 (OP)
So this guy wants to wage slave in space with a much higher chance to die while doing so? Underwater welders have a high mortality rate due to their working conditions as both welders and divers. Even plain welders have higher amounts of health condtions and lower lifespan than a substantial amount of trades careers. There's no feasible way to make space+industry work without very high death or turnover rates.

>>17763779
>Until the world take it seriously (prior to it actually demonstrating it ought to be) and kicks it out of the house, it's going to remain a mess.

>"we are hecking coddling and sustaining africa" says the whitey while picking its pockets at gunpoint
Tiresome delusion
The only correct thing is that Africa would be much better off without "international community" (american empire and co.) involvement but this will never happen until Africans kick them out by force because it would be just giving up a massive income stream

>>17762410
We don't think about you at all

>>17761699
You are part of the problem. After the hurdle of getting the first colony and foundry/factory set up you can print as many space habitats as you want. We would unironically have thousands of people living in space right now if we had spent $5 trillion on it.

>>17763950
>not my hecking specerinos
Yeah no, there's no way to justify that to shareholders
Which is why only China is doing serious space shit while amerikrakkkass are busy giving money to billionaires

>>17761642 (OP)
I'm curious as to whether financial investment and loans count as "aid". I'll bet they do, which makes this stat complete bullshit.

>>17763358
I support this btw, I hate africans

Africa isn’t a country.

HDI varies wildly across the continent.

But according to the overwhelming consensus of economists the most successful economies are those with a stronger system of inclusive institutions in place and profit-seeking rather than rent-seeking forms of subsistence.

Look at North and South Korea. Same people, same peninsula, and largely the same culture. Yet one is an economic powerhouse and one is an economic backwater. See also the United States: the Democrat areas are drastically wealthier and better developed than the Republican areas.

The economies of Africa most closely resemble Red State America, with all of the associated failures. In contrast, the stronger African economies are more reminiscent of Blue State America.

>>17763939
>We don't think about you at all
Reality says otherwise. Best part about it is that Westies can't even realize how hyperfixated they are about it, it's why it's so jarring for South,East and SE Asians seeing it as a third party.

>>17764133
I mean I guess? But even the state with the lowest HDI (Mississippi) is still higher than even the most developed Sub Saharan countries

>>17761642 (OP)
Would it be easier to jump dimensions then space travel?
I.e. sliders

>>17761642 (OP)
Pretty important, it's mostly for the benefit of the aid giver though obviously

>>17764133
africa has received far more in aid than south korea ever did

>>17764242
Nobody thinks anything of Africa besides laughing at it from time to time. Sucks u were born in a shithole lol I can tell it bothers you

>>17764411
Africa is like 55 countries. That and Korea received a ton of assistance through several means that isn't exactly easy to translate to a monetary amount and it got coddled.

>>17764497
Didn't even read the post.

>>17764743
Because you can't read, nor form a functioning civilization

>>17763904
>Tiresome delusion
>The only correct thing is that Africa would be (better if we adopt the exact same thing you said in you post but in a cathartic socialist revolutionary framework)

Yes yes faggot.
We know.
You want to see it happen (your way).

I know that a beautiful revolutionary moment is all you reds care about (which is why you're all artists and things always fall apart immediately after when you lose interest and hand the reins over to technocratic accountants.)

But that is beside the point, which is, the West and the rest of the world need to build a wall around Africa and wait 50 years for Africans to sort Africa out. Regardless of what the rest of the world is doing to Africa, we can agree whatever it is is the source of Africas porblems.

>>17761642 (OP)
Always loved how China has invested far less in a smaller frame of time with way more results,

>>17762387
>The all so tiresome meme
I mean the whole doc was a meme, JFL the CCP would let a foreigner film an infrastructure project,
then let management go on a rant about China not making any progress constructing a single road and how the Congo was better under Belgium
>Film funded by Belgium

>>17761939
>you dont want to prolong and exacerbate average human suffering just so the chosen few can establish new space colonies serving as dens of pure evil and malice where they will simply keep exploiting everything around themselves and keep fucking kids?
>y-you'rr shortsighted!!1!

Dont get me wrong, the 'aid' to africa is just as bad as it just keeps money flowing to the dark where they do whatever the fuck their corrupt, evil minds think of
Also fuck black people.

>>17765091
>we need to... build le wall!
get some new material

>>17765028
>nor form a functioning civilization
Most cant even have a replacement birthrate lol.

>>17765091
>the rest of the world need to build a wall around Africa and wait 50 years for Africans to sort Africa out
Literal Facebook post.

>>17765459
>Also fuck black people.
What have they done to anyone exactly? Microplastics? Pollution

>>17763671
>Why obssess over creating sucha scapegoat?
Because it is true? The rich cause problems, sure, but so do black people.

>Are you arguing with the voices in your head
I am arguing with you, you directly stated the following

>we sacrificed the stars to cut taxes for rich people and trying to pretend it had anything to do with blacks is just cope from those same richfags
and I am explaining that both rich people and blacks cause problems, hence

>I do blame the rich, and minorities

it is pretty straightforward, why do you think elite push DEI and spend trillions on black people, why do you think george soros, bloomberg, larry fink et cetera... donate millions to black people when they are greedy evil rich people

>>17761802
People used to think the moon was a god and we sticked a flag up it's ass. Your brown lack of ambition is showing

>>17765531
they lack favstian spirit

every cent spent on a brown person is a cent wasted, worse, given to your enemies, if they happened to be the tiny minority among them with an IQ above 100 then they would not need it

>>17761642 (OP)
waste of money
the bible says teach to fish, don't give fish.

Do you think whites ever give anything for free lol?

That shit was bribes for corrupt warlords to give you their minerals and mining

>>17762044
That's rather grim

>>17763950
>We would unironically have thousands of people living in space right now if we had spent $5 trillion on it.
The problem is we don't really have mining or industrial concerns on any of those planets and even if we had made an effort to colonize the inner ring of planets we'd only just now be developing micro nations there. Mars is outright lethal to human habitation and the effects of low gravity on the human body are fucking brutal if you ever decide to come home to Earth. People born on the Moon will basically have a countdown timer till Earth gravity kills them when they decide to come down here.

>>17763950
You are really deluded of you think it would cost $5 trillion. It would be way way way more than that AND we haven't even mastered deep-sea habitation and transport. Thats like wanting to do Group Theory but struggling with basic grade 5 math

>>17765565
And offloading outdated military equipment and food surplus that has been in storage for too long and can't be sold to market so you dump it abroad.

>>17765527
DEI is literally nothing. Way more people get into universities through legacy admissions, BS sports scholarships for sports they never played, bribes, corruption and more.

>spend trillions on black people
Nah. Money "spent on blacks" is shit that everyone gets access to lol and if we are being honest here rich people have way more sway and control in state and city politics than any minority and the vast majority of the white population.

>>17761642 (OP)
That 5 trillion was spent on gay rights and shit.

>>17763358
Trump is president so africa should collapse right now
Muh china muh liberals

>>17765559
But they do produce cash cropsnand good crops. That pick makes no sense, hell in terms of dependency we are all fucked once cocoa gets fucked by climate change in West Africa and coffee in Africa/Latin America. Our entire work system hinges on coffee to drug up workers for early morning work

>>17765810
>so africa should collapse right now
The system is already adapting to the aid shortfall and America lost all its good will through its now rescinded medical aid.

>>17765819
Also it is going well because china has their own products and brands now like Xiaomi which give to the blacks as aid. Having actual physical products as aid is better than having 5 trillion worth of western value funding and old clothes

>>17765834
>which give to the blacks as aid.
They buy it. As in they are customers in the same way everyone else instead of doing that tiered system many (but not all I must note) western companies do.

>>17765814
>Our entire work system hinges on coffee to drug up workers for early morning work
And the entire healthcare system is fueld by doctors and nurses, truckers and oncallers drinking up coffee to make their 12,16, and 24+ hour shifts. No other item can fulfill that same niche because they all come with caveats. Even if coffee becomes unsuitable for mass exports the markets in LatAm and Africa will just service their local needs and expand locally.