Thread 17766466

Why do yuros pretend their countries are super old? The US is older than the first french republic, a unified germany and a unified italy. hell a lot of "yuro" cultural inventions were invented in the US. Like carbonara was invented in the US

>>17766466 (OP)
Countries are older than when their current government was established. America is from 1607

>>17766477
>trip fag
>incorrect opinion
you really gunna try the
>we waz romanz eeen sheeet
stuff?

>>17766466 (OP)
Britain was formed in 1707 at the latest not 1801
>inb4 Britain united with Ireland
If that's the case then America only became a country in 1959

>>17766513
bongland changed their constitution when they united and they dont have a single document codified constitution like the US so every act of union counted as a new country/constitution

>>17766486
I don't think he's that far off the mark though. Either you measure a nation by the establishment of its political government, in which case the United States is one of the oldest on Earth, or you measure it by some sort of ethnogenesis event, in which case the idea of being an American does indeed predate the establishment of the U.S. government.

>>17766477
>Countries are older than when
Objectively incorrect. What you mean to say is nations/civilizations are older than when their current government was established, countries are the action, legal state entities, they cannot be older tham themselves

>>17766699
Can you count pre Ellis Island and pre Western Settlement US as the same as the contemporary US though?

>>17766466 (OP)
This map is just showing the years of latest regime changes

>>17766864
it's the year their constitutions were ratified.
>>17766699
modern day Italians have nothing in common genetically or ethnically with romans.

>>17766684
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaii_Admission_Act

>>17766684
>adding a few Irish seats to parliament counts as a new country even though the fundamentals of the constitution remained unchanged
Catholic emancipation was a bigger change to the British constitution than the Act of Union

>>17766466 (OP)
First US government outlasted China (1949) and Iran (1979)

>>17767133
Traitorous scumbag…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overthrow_of_the_Hawaiian_Kingdom

>>17767216
>Making Direland a kingdom equal to Britain and not just England's territory a la wales isnt self hating cucked cringe
Hi Irish!

>>17767294
What are you talking about?
Before 1801 Ireland was its own Kingdom with a Parliament while Wales had been part of England since the 16th century and had been sending its MPs to the same Parliament too, they're completely different situations

>>17767133
didn't change the constitution faggot
>>17767216
act of union changed the constitution because bongs don't have a single unified and codified constitution

>>17767293
kicking hawaii's ass was based, but they should have never ben granted statehood
>>17767286
based

self importance

>>17766466 (OP)
>italy
>1946
That’s just retarded. Like saying every 8 years America has a new country because we have a new government.

My country exists since 1198. Doesn't matter whether it was called state, kingdom, crown land, or monarchy. Same language, same nation. Cope, colonizer.

>>17768561
we don't create a new constitution every 8 years, retardo
>>17768567
nope, your nation dates back to 1993, faggot

The moment the concept of the "United States of America" as a nation emerged is at the absolute latest in the late 18th Century. Meanwhile
>France
at least 5th century
>Germany
While "Germany" as a political entity has its roots in the 19th Century, there are countless political entities within it. Bavaria, for example, goes back to the 7th Century.
>Ireland
Free State/Northern Ireland are in the 1920s. But the concept of an Irish "nation" is much older; the oldest written texts of Ireland still refer to it.
>UK
The UK has within it England, 10th Century, and Scotland, 9th Century.

But of course, claps cannot understand this. By this map's logic, the USA got a new start-date every time it added territory or amended its constitution. If I'm right, the most recent amendment was in what, the 1950s? Congratulations America, almost a century old!

>>17766684
Habeas corpus

>>17767299
Feudalism dying pains

>>17768575
>The moment the concept of the "United States of America" as a nation emerged is at the absolute latest in the late 18th Century.
It started during the wars with the Indians in the 1600s. Americans began to see themselves as separate from the bongs.

>>17768569
>this is your brain on USA education
you confuse a nation with a country.

>>17768569
Why exactly does a new constitution mean new country in your eyes?

>>17768575
>at least 5th century
the first french republic wasn't formed until after the US gained independence. Lafyette was involved in the first french republic
>While "Germany" as a political entity has its roots in
the painting "washington crossing the deleware" predates germany. the artist literally used the colors that would eventually become the german flag on washington's cape
>Free State/Northern Ireland are in the 1920s.
so we agree, ireland dates back to 1920
>The UK has within it England, 10th Century, and Scotland, 9th Century.
bongland's constitution only dates back to the 1800s

>>17768582
what suggests this? what primary sources suggest anything of the sort, or what other sources insist upon it?

because the absolute most generous I've ever seen anyone be with regards to when the concept of an American Nation was in the 1750s.

>>17768575
>But of course, claps cannot understand this. By this map's logic, the USA got a new start-date every time it added territory or amended its constitution. If I'm right, the most recent amendment was in what, the 1950s? Congratulations America, almost a century old!
no, you fucking retard. the US has the oldest constitution in the world because we have a single codified constitution and we don't throw out our constitution every 20 years like yurop does
>>17768583
US education went to the moon. yuro education resulted in swimmers swimming in human shit during the paris olympics

>>17768593
But the nation of France still existed. It just had a different government. Are you retarded?
>so we agree, ireland dates back to 1920
We don't agree, you just can't read.
>bongland's constitution only dates back to the 1800s
Bongland doesn't have a constitution.

why are americans so stupid? can they not read?

>>17768592
because that's literally the founding document for a nation

>>17768601
Lol you are retarded.

>>17768601
a nation is a construct, the idea that the "United States" as a concept came into being no earlier than September 17th 1787 is extremely retarded.

>>17768598
>>17768602
>But the nation of France still existed.
no it didn't.
>we waz kangz
plus you fags were a colony during WWII
>We don't agree
that's because you are a retard. Ireland gained independence in the 1920s
>Bongland doesn't have a constitution.
must be a fake nation then
>why are americans so stupid? can they not read?
the US has like 17 if the top 20 universities in the world and nonhispanic white and asian American students score higher on international math and science testing than any yuro nation other than finland
There is a reason why America went to the moon and yurop had athletes swim in human shit during the olympics

>>17768604
the US was formed when the constitution was ratified.
And again, the US predates the first french republic and the US predates a unified germany and a unified italy

>>17768601
According to whom?

>>17768628
did you fail civics?

>>17768630
I did STEM in high school.

>>17768642
>yuropean stem
did you guys fix the issue with shitting directly into the river while the olympics is going on?

>>17768658
Why don't you tell us about open defecation in SF instead?

>>17768667
SF isn't in the US

>>17768596
>the US has the oldest constitution in the world because we have a single codified constitution and we don't throw out our constitution every 20 years like yurop does

Europe is a rather war-torn continent, probably the most violent continent on the planet in some regards. The pax- EU of today is an abnormality (and a core reason why the EU was founded).
And when we dont have wars, we have revolutions. Europe is a hotbed of cultures, religions, ethnicity, identities and ideology.

>>17768670
Lol

>>17768678
yurop has no culture, you fags just consume American culture

>>17768689
So you've finally embraced your own identity instead of larping every single day as a German nationalist.

>>17766466 (OP)
Greece is 1830

>>17768601
only the USA puts a ton of emphasis on their constitution
my country has a constitution, but no-one who isn't a lawmaker gives a shit about what's in it
there is, yes, a point where people in an area are no longer the people who came before
the Italians are not the same as the Romans, time has changed them in various ways
but on the flip side, you can't just go "Government A is dead, Government B has risen, the people of the nation of A have zero continuity with the new nation of B despite comprising everyone in both states"

>>17768707
idk what you are talking about
>>17768721
still younger than the US

>>17768728
because you faggots are subjects who live in a monarchy and you have no rights. the US places great emphasis on our constitution because the government is only allowed to do things explicitly listed in the constitution

>>17768737
but why does government matter?
don't the people in a place matter more?
if everyone in the US was tossed out and replaced with some other race and culture, but the constitution was left intact, by your lights it is the same nation, zero difference
judges could make all kinds of rulings on crime and such in a limited capacity, so long as the constitution itself was not violated

>>17768737
>the government is only allowed to do things explicitly listed in the constitution
Like imprisoning citizens of a certain ethnicity in concentration camps?

>>17768759
because the US is culturally tied to the constitution, where as yuros try to
>we waz romanz and sheet
>>17768763
that's why democrats should never be allowed to hold office. later courts have correctly identified that as unconstitutional

>>17768735
>still younger than the US
who gives a shit?
Why not use language or religion as a qualifier?

>>17768767
>the US is culturally tied to the constitution
WTF does that even mean? How can you even measure/verify that?

>>17768772
so now you are going to say greece is as old as islam?

>>17768767
I would argue both blood and constitution are equally malleable
you guys have had amendments to your constitution
doesn't that make it a slightly different America, just as the Italians in Tuscany now are slightly different to the people in the Tuscany of 50 years ago?

>>17768776
Greece as old as islam?
By language Greece is approx 2700 years old, by religion approx 2000 years old.

>>17768775
White Americans care a lot about our founding mythos and our identity is tied to it and the constitution is foundational to that mythos and identity. things like freedom of expression and the right to keep and bear arms are explicitly recognized and protected in the constitution
>>17768781
no, not really because the amendments really don't change the document. they just give women the right to vote or the feds the power to levy income tax. the only amendment that's remotely transformative is the 14th and even then that just says the state government can't deny constitutional rights

>>17768785
islam, isn't 2,000 years old and most greeks are muslims. also greeks don't speak ancient greek. That's like saying bongs speak the same language Beowulf was written in

>>17768793
>White Americans care a lot about our founding mythos and our identity is tied to it and the constitution is foundational to that mythos and identity. things like freedom of expression and the right to keep and bear arms are explicitly recognized and protected in the constitution
Newsflash, every country cares about its founding mythos. You're just talking about laws now anon; take a look at the 15 million rules and regulations regarding bearing arms
>no, not really because the amendments really don't change the document.
That is 100% what an amendment is.

>>17768776
Older in fact.

>>17768785
>By language Greece is approx 2700 years old
Almost 3500 actually.

>>17768793
and the only difference between the Act of Union the fella earlier mentioned was that the Irish got a few seats
the soul of the nation was 90% the same
this whole thing is a ship of Theseus
in the US case, you say things are barely different from before
so too in that case with the UK, according to him
minor differences
over time they build up; the US right now is not the same as it was upon founding
I think your whole premise is flawed
constitution/current government is not a rock-solid metric

>>17768795
>bongs speak the same language Beowulf was written in
Get Norf man drunk enough and he can.

>>17768802
>Newsflash, every country cares about its founding mythos. You're just talking about laws now anon
you clearly do not know what you are talking about, since you are a yuro. the US constitution is important to the American founding mythos because it got rid of kangz and was the first time a republic based on the popular sovereignty of the people was created. people care about the constitution because we care about the enumerated powers
>That is 100% what an amendment is.
you fundamentally do not know what you are talking about. which amendments do you think are transformative?
>>17768804
he said religion. most greeks are muslim

>>17768806
bongs don't have a single codified constitution, hence their government changing with acts of union. the US does have a single codified constitution, hence no change.

>>17768820
why don't you guys still have Whigs and Federalists, then, if you're exactly the same as you once were, governmentally?

>>17768826
a. political parties are not branches of the government
b. we literally do. the whigs became the republicans and the federalists became the democrats

>>17768575
Those people are so far disconnected from anybody living in those lands today its laughable to imply some kind of continuity.

>>17768818
Have you ever been to Greece...?

>>17768944
why would I go to a third world country?

>>17768945
Because it's a nice place, for example.

>>17768990
>it's a nice place
doubt it

>>17766466 (OP)
mutt incapable of comprehending the difference between nation and country

>>17769029
>third worlder seething about America post
lol do you fags do anything other than seethe about Americans?

>>17766513
yeah but union of the crowns was 1603

>>17769002
I've been there and it is, the Acropolis and its museum are amazing.

>>17769051
honestly yeah, why the fuck do they even care to educate you? i guess you speak to their altruistic nature. nobody cares how low your intelligence level is. your post and replies tell me you not only lack culture, you lack even the concept of it. poor little fucker thinks constitution passes for a culture kek

>>17767459
>change the constitution
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-seventh_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution
1992 lmao

>>17768818
>you clearly do not know what you are talking about, since you are a yuro. the US constitution is important to the American founding mythos because it got rid of kangz and was the first time a republic based on the popular sovereignty of the people was created. people care about the constitution because we care about the enumerated powers
Again, every country has their own founding mythos. Americans care so much for their constitution they've let their politicians spit on it for at least a century
>you fundamentally do not know what you are talking about. which amendments do you think are transformative?
All of them. That's what an amendment is.

Don't be so butthurt amerimutt, you'll find a reason to proud of your nation someday

>>17769101
they have that in Tennessee
>>17769512
the US went to the moon. in yurop they had to swim in human shit during the olympics. the US is much better educated.
It's why we know our constitution and why it's culturally relevant where as yuros still lives as subjects to monarchs

>>17769602
amending the constitution does not transform or replace the constitution, retardo. yuros like france fundamentally replace their entire document
>>17769649
>Again, every country has their own founding mythos
you faggots think you waz romanz an sheet and you have monarchs
>All of them. That's what an amendment is.
nope, you are incredibly ignorant and uneducated on the subject

>>17769877
you literally have no culture, you just consume American culture with subtitles

>>17766477
>America is from 1607
*1619

>>17768575
>France
>at least 5th century
France and the kingdom of the franks are not the same thing.

>>17769994
jamestown was 1607, plymouth was 1620. nothing of any significance happened in 1619

If we're going by date of constitutional ratification I think you should really view America as being refounded after the civil war, because the reconstruction amendments changed the nature of America's government to a really drastic degree.

>>17770001
The first sale of a black slave occurred in the future united states occurred in Jamestown in 1619. That was when America began.

>>17770010
nope, blacks didn't found America. slavery was a yuro ideal

>>17769944
why does it matter how old a country is in the first place?
not some kind of gotcha
wondering what made you start this thread
if it's to dunk on monarchies, you should know that Euro monarchs (outside the micronations for ultra-rich pedos where you buy citizenship) are the most unkingly in the world, being restrained by democratic governments and being allowed a handful of powers
if it's to dunk on them for feeling like they have heritage, well, you could say the same for you guys
you waz revolutionariez an sheet, as you'd say
you weren't there yourself, so your connection to the war for independence is equal to some French guy's connection to the French revolution
if it's purely to go "we're older", then by your metric, sure, but so what? if everything about the US as it is right now was the same, but it was founded in 1976 rather than 1776, what changes for you and for me?

>>17770052
to dab on yuros for claiming to be romanz and sheet

>>17769951
The only culture you've shown thus far is relentless seething over real cultures

>>17766466 (OP)
>Be American
>Be so utterly bereft of identity and heritage that it hurts
>Start trying to convince yourself that nobody else can have any identity or heritage either, because that way you and your country aren't the problem
>Start lying about other peoples history to make yourself feel better
Are you also 101% genuine real Irish (more so than the actual Irishmen) because your great-great-great-grandfather knew a guy from Cork?

>>17766513
I agree with this criticism, change it to either 1688 (Glorious Revolution) or 1832 (Reform Act, the big one)

>>17770007
Less than one might think. The north already banned slavery and some states already let African-Americans vote, and the really dramatic stuff basically wasn't enforced between 1877 and 1964. Southern oligarchs blocking things in congress was a problem into FDR's term.

>>17770212
>>17770219
you are typing the American language on an American website on the American internet using an American os. you watch American TV shows and listen to American music.
You are an American colony

>>17770228
all the shit that got blocked during FDR's term got blocked because it was unconstitutional so he packed the courts so he could get the courts to say it was ok putting Americans in concentration camps
Go read shit like the NFA debates. the dems literally all agreed what they were doing was unconstitutional so they intentionally worded the law to be an "interstate commerce tax" that just so happen to cause gun control because they recognized that they didn't have the constitutional power to ban guns

>>17770233
>American language
Unless that's also somehow Cherokee, or Ebonics, there's no such thing. You have no identity, culture, or heritage, remember.
>American website
Ah, yes, the anime tiddies website owned by Hiroyuki Nishimura, so American.
>American internet
Tim Berners Lee was British, or are you going to pretend that we're all still using ARPANET?
>American OS
Literally no way of knowing that, but the ignorant presumption on display there is 101% American, well done.
>American TV shows, American music
not if I have any choice in what's playing, which I tend to. You're retarded.

Why not pop some more SSRI's, drink some cheap and tasteless low-strength beer, and go and buy some more useless crap on credit? That usually makes you guys feel better, right?

>>17770233
Japanese website, if you belong here and aren't a normalfag election tourist you watch Japanese TV shows and listen to Japanese music, and if you're smart you use a Finnish OS

>>17770255
>Unless that's also somehow Cherokee
cherokee aren't American
> or Ebonics,
invented in yurop
>there's no such thing. You have no identity, culture, or heritage, remember.
you are typing in the American language right now, homo. American culture controls what language you need to talk, what movies and tv you see, what music you listen to. you are living in an American colony, fag boi
>Ah, yes, the anime tiddies website owned by Hiroyuki Nishimura, so American.
invented by moot
>Tim Berners Lee was British, or are you going to pretend that we're all still using ARPANET?
the internet was invented and created by the US. keep crying
>Literally no way of knowing that, but the ignorant presumption on display there is 101% American, well done.
lol are you on north korean os, faggot? You are using an American OS
>not if I have any choice in what's playing, which I tend to. You're retarded.
you don't because you live in an American colony, homo
>Why not pop some more SSRI's, drink some cheap and tasteless low-strength beer, and go and buy some more useless crap on credit? That usually makes you guys feel better, right?
you sure are mad that the US makes the best beer and you have no culture and are dominated by America. hell the fact you are typing in American and not your native tongue proves this.
>>17770261
>Japanese website,
the founder, moot, is American and he made the site in America.
> aren't a normalfag election tourist
pretty much all of 4chans core demo is /pol/ homo

>>17770273
The 'ignorant butthurt' levels are off the scale Captain! She's gonna blow!

>>17770274
turn your monitor on. you are getting confused by your own reflection

>>17770277
Tell me where you think the English language comes from. Take your time, and put your whole brain-cell into the effort.

>>17770273
if I use Linux, am I using a Finnish OS?

>>17770273
>the US makes the best beer
Tell me you've never left your podunk, no stop sign, trailer park of a hometown without telling me that you've never left your podunk, no stop sign, trailer park of a hometown.

>>17770273
>moot founded the website, so it's American
>however, I've only used it since it became Japanese owned
Ironically, for all the talk of national essentialism that dominates /pol/, the American was a much better steward of 4chan's Japan-influenced culture than the Japanese guy

>>17770279
America. no one gives a shit about bongland. there is a reason why everyone spells words in American, fagolio
>>17770283
the linux guy is an American citizen, retardo

>>17770290
not my fault yurop makes ass beer, you queer.
>>17770304
heroshima m00t hasn't been on the site in years, even m00t m00t really was not involved in the site before the sale

>>17770308
so if I become a US citizen, day 1 I go from being a disgusting yuro to a glorious American in your eyes?

>>17770326
yes, as long as you aren't a communist

>>17770308
The kernel's foundational work was done in Finland and (as befits the FOSS movement) contributors come from all over the world

>>17770344
cool, the linux guy is an American citizen

>>17766466 (OP)
>a unified germany
America is older than 800 AD?
>a unified italy
America is older than 250 BC?

>>17770392
germany and italy didn't unify until the 1800s, retardo. italy has nothing to do with rome

>>17770392
>250 BC
Italians LOST the social war though

>>17766725
A country is in part its Nation, the Nation is the people, independent of government.

>>17771427
the people of italy aren't even the same skin color as romans

>>17772079
Yes they are

>>17770001
Do niggers really?

>>17772137
why are you talking to yourself?
>>17772093
nah, romans were white

>>17769944
it's a change in the constitution lil bro, put the goalposts down

>>17772490
it isn't, lil sis. an amendment that isn't transformative is not the same as completely replacing the constitution, lil tranny. the only amendments you can argue are transformative would either be the bill of rights or the reconstruction ones.
the rest are shit like income tax or term limits

>>17766477
>Countries are older than when their current government
What?

>>17772585
it's a yuro trying to do the
>we was romans en sheet
because unironically most yuropean countries weren't founded until after the US was founded so yuros try to claim the oldest kingdom in their region is when their country started. like italians try to claim they are romans and nazi try to claim they are like prussians or bavarians or something

>>17766513
Does England still count as it's own country? Even though it died with Harold Godwinson.

>>17772624
>founded until after the US was founded
Sorry amerimutt, real countries aren't something declared, they are civilizations that stretch back centuries before the continent you lived on were discovered
>nazi try to claim they are like prussians or bavarians or something
Bavaria still exists lil bro
>it isn't, lil sis. an amendment that isn't transformative
They're all transformative lmao

>>17772760
>they are civilizations that stretch back centuries before the continent you lived on were discovered
sorry yuropoor, but you wazn't romans een shit
>Bavaria still exists
no it doesn't lil sis, and everyone living in that region is half russian or half MENA
>They're all transformative lmao
adding term limits isn't transformative, lil sis

the usa is so young that it doesn't even have old forms as a country lmao

@17772769

a post comprised entirely of projections
>not romans
yup they were
>half russian or half mena
incorrect, also very rich coming from a country made up of various mutts
>keeps calling him lil sis even if his nation has the most trannies by far
all americans can do is project

not giving you a (you) out of principle

>>17773692
America is older than france, germany and italy
>>17773694
>@17772769
you sure are one angry tranny
>a post comprised entirely of projections
no, yours is though
>yup they were
nope. modern italians have no more in common with romans than modern Americans have with injins
>incorrect, also very rich coming from a country made up of various mutts
it is correct. germany women greeted soviets and GIs on their backs legs wide open. there is no germanic y type DNA in poland
>>keeps calling him lil sis even if his nation has the most trannies by far
>all americans can do is project
germany invented trannies in the 1920s. you yuros cannot stop projecting
>not giving you a (you) out of principle
you sure are one angry dress wearing fagola

>>17766466 (OP)
by your 'standards' the US is only as old as the latest constitutional amendment.

>>17774397
Current borders rule it is indeed standard just freakish when is a recent change

>>17774397
nope, amending the constitution is not the same as adopting an entirely new constitution

>>17770010
and what race was the person who bought the first black slave?

>>17774413
it's a change in either case. you think you can just decree the amount of change that signifies the creation of a new state. you are wrong, nobody died and made you judge of this.

>>17774408
>current borders
states are theseus' ships anyway.

>>17774505
the amendments don't significantly change anything. where as yuros make whole new constitutions to stirp yuros of their rights. it's completely different retardo

>>17768608
>>But the nation of France still existed.
>no it didn't.

>>17772760
>Sorry amerimutt, real countries aren't something declared
What?
>>17774139
>America is older than france, germany and italy
I sincerely don't understand what is so complicated about this
Retards:
>BUT CHINA ISA ANCHENT
China isn't a fucking country, "China" is a short form disambiguation, the nation state is called the People's Republic of China and it was founded in 1949
The republic that preceded it no longer exists
The same goes for Russia
"Russia" for most of the 20th century was the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic, this country no longer exists
Imperial Russia lasted from 1721 to 1917, again, that country no longer exists
If time travel were possible and we could go back 200 years, the United States would be a country, you could go there, you could speak to its citizens, its politicians, foreign emissaries, etc. Same thing with the United Kingdom, virtually every other country that was around in 1825 no longer exists
BUT RUSSHA IS ANCHENT
I am older than the current government in Moscow

>>17774877
Do you think tadpoles and frogs belong to different species? Countries are the same, they evolve and change.

>>17766466 (OP)
If you believe this map shows when nations came into existence, you don't deserver a brain. No, you do not.

>>17775027
It isn't, nobody is even implying this except for you and Yuroschizos that don't understand English. That map is showing when COUNTRIES came into existence, not nations, not civilizations, and OP (correctly) pointed out that the United States of America is one of the oldest COUNTRIES on Earth. I don't really understand what part of your brain is missing that's causing you to get so confused by this

>>17774877
Retard, your people don't come about because some dudes got together and made a document that said okay we exist now. How sad your identity comes from a piece of paper lmao

>>17774524
By this logic then Britain didnt get a new constitution in 1801 like you argued but rather it was merely an ammendment to the existing unwritten British Constitution

>>17774729
maybe don't keep losing wars, like a bitch
>>17774877
that and the fact they don't think that a united italy is fundamentally different than rome or the french republics are different than the monarchy
like yuros just pick the oldest kingdom in the region and go
>yeah we waz kangs, that be us
like there is any fucking continuity between sparta and current greece

>>17775027
it's literally when each country was founded, retardo
>>17774940
WE WAZ ROMANS EN SHIT

>>17775126
>your people don't come about because some dudes got together and made a document that said okay we exist now.
our people came about because some bongs tried to make us pay taxes so we stole weapons of war to do terrorism and then shot the bongs because they stole our weapons of war we were planning on doing terrorism with
>>17775186
bongland doesn't have a codified constitution, hence it being replaced by acts of union. the US has a single codified document

>>17775219
The acts of union wasn't a new constitution it was an ammendment/addition to an existing unwritten constitution.

>>17775231
it wasn't an amendment, it was a new doc because you retardos don't have a single codified constitution

>>17768868
There are random ass stone walls along farm land in the UK that are centuries old. Built around OTHER stone walls that were centuries old at that point as well. 100% there are Britons who are direct descendants and share cultural ties to people several hundred years ago in the exact same area.
>WE WUZ--
I'm pre-emptively quoting you in case you try to be disingenuous.

>>17766466 (OP)
This really shows how stable the US has been for so long and why the past 15 years of petty political division and geopolitical uncertainty has people thinking the country is near its end. If the US was as unstable as France or had regime changes like South America the last few years would barely register as out if the ordinary.

Constitutions are but scraps of paper, to be replaced at will. Only an American, sedated as he is on Jew provided cola, corn-syrup, and McDonald's can make such an assertion.

>>17775219
>>17775243
>needs a piece of paper to justify his existence
Lol

>>17775441
Reminder that France went from a Monarchy, to a Republic, to a Monarchy, to a Republic, to a Monarchy, to a Republic, to a Fascist Client State, and finally to a Republic again in just over 150 years

>>17766466 (OP)
It says 1953 for Denmark
That's when we changed our constitution which nobody considers to have created a new country
Denmark is from the 8th century
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Danish_constitutional_and_electoral_age_referendum

>>17768601
>because that's literally the founding document for a nation
Not for Denmark
The 1953 constitution did not found any new country.
It was a constitutional monarchy before and after with the same monarch
Our founding document is an old Viking era gravestone

>>17775243
You're aware that it didn't replace the previous documents like you're insinuating but merely amended or added to them, right? There's even a few clauses from the Magna Carta which are still law in the UK today. If ammendments to the US Constitution don't count as a new Constitution then neither should changes to the unwritten constitution of Britain.

This thread is the most obvious bait I've ever seen and the fact that you retards think OP is being unironic shows that satire is dead in this day and age

>>17775441
t zoom zoom
this shit was a problem in the 1990s, and 1960s/70s
and like 1910s
and like 1840s-60s
>>17775649
didn't they have an emperor 2 in there?

>>17775384
>we waz
everyone living in Bongland today is indian and isnt racially related to the early bongs

>>17775574
>>17775532
this is why you homos have no rights and you live under monarchs. the US constitution is amazing because it is based on popular sovereignty, not divine right and lists only limited enumerated powers while explicitly protecting the rights of the people

>>17775722
>>17775725
denmark isn't from the 8th century. denmark is from 1945 at the earliest

>>17775859
it's not. the UK doesn't have a codified constitution so each new document radically changes everything. each amendment doesn't really do that to the US constitution
>>17775975
you are just mad because OP is right

>mutts unable to differentiate between state and nation
Grim, but not surprising

>>17776663
>we waz romans and bavarians and franks and massidonians en shit

>>17776670
Bavarians still exist as some other anon pointed out. They predate the current form of the state of bavaria. Same for macedonians and arguably the franks. Are those people identical in every way to their far-away ancestors? Of course not. But a change in consitution didnt suddenly make them different people altogether

>>17776709
they are literally all rape babies. literally every major power has captured paris. the commies raped every woman in germany and greece was under turkish control for like a thousand years

>>17776718
>Professor M. Utts law

>>17776727
you are literally a rape baby. you are literally the product of some yuro woman opening her legs to an occupying soldier

>>17776732
So can we have actual discussion about a nation vs a state now or will you just keep writing rape-fiction about me?

>>17776739
>germany was prussians en shit
>germany just spent like 60 out of the last 120 years occupied by foreign soldiers, but it's totally the same guys
>we waz macidonians like Alexander
>greece was occupied by the turks for like 1,500 years
>we was franks like charlimaign
>gets conquered and revolted against nonstop for the last 250 years
>we waz romans
>again, spent decades under occupation
I'm sure there is more russian, American and MENA y type DNA in modern germany than there is prussian y type DNA, but we waz prussians and shit

>>17766466 (OP)
>1600
bullshit
San Marino is the TRVE heir of the Roman Republic

>>17776750
Do you think occupation means every single woman has children with a foreign soldier?

>>17776775
it literally does

>>17776805
Officially there is 70 thousand children fathered by allied soldiers between 1945 and 1955 in germany
Theres prob a number who werent documented.
The german population from 50 to 55 alone grew by 2 million.

>>17776818
yeah, those were all russian rape babies

>>17776827
Silly silly, its fine to admit your people are relatively young. Why this obsessive cope with rape and all that?

>>17776831
America is literally older than germany and italy

>>17776842
As a state, yes. As a nation, no.

>>17776849
as a nation yes. the first unified germany was 1871. the first unified italy was 1861. America is older then either of those nations

>>17766466 (OP)
>your country was established in 1989 because it had a change of government

>>17776877
Yes retard, that's literally how that works

>>17776866
A nation = a people
The nation-states formed in the 1800s were just states that attempted to include the entire, previously politically fractured, nation (=people)
As a nation, germans and italians predate americans by more than a thousand years at the least

>>17776877
that's literally the first time there was an on occupied poland for more than like 20 years since medieval times
>>17776885
modern italians are turks and north africans, modern "germans" are russian rape babies and MENAs.
you can't really do the muh blood and soil shit when half your nation is rape babies and the other half is migrants

>>17776879
ok then america was founded in 2016 when drumpf established the chuddocracy

>>17776894
>Rape obsession again
O ffs kek
No anon, most germans are not "rape babies", most of the women who were raped were murdered shortly after by their attacker, commited suicide shortly after or were in some cases murdered by dishonoured family. Abortion rates and infant mortality also surged at this time. There def is some "rape babies", but what you imagine does not reflect reality.

I dont know where you get the "all italians are north african" from either? Is it because parts of southern italy were ruled by muslims for a short time?

On the topic of immigrants, thats a relatively new phenomenon, and most of the people living in these countries are still direct descendants from people who lived there over 1000 years ago.

These nations are just very old compared to US-americans and idk why thats such a horrible thing to accept?

>>17776920
they aren't old. unified germany only dates back to 1871 and they spent more than half their history occupied by foreign nations and having rape babies with soldiers.
you fags try to do the
>well this is the oldest kingdom the the region we know anything about, therefore that is when the nation was founded
shit. Even when it makes no sense. like most greeks are literally turks

>>17776925
Anon you fundamentally misunderstand what a nation is
You confuse nation for state. Yes as a state the US is older than a lot of states. As a nation, it isnt

The idea of a German Nation has always been laughable. Germany is a fake nation created by the Catholic Church in order to create a containment state for miscellaneous Central-European Barbarian Hordes (The "Germs") and none of them have anything related to eachother other than a language family, which is why they consistently struggled to properly unify throughout the 19th and early 20th centuries. Every attempt at unifying Germany and Austria failed. Every single one. And then outliers like Poland just became unanswered questions because nobody knew if they were Germanic or Slavic because "Germany" isn't a real nation-state and never will be.

>>17776935
germany didn't even unify until 1871 retardo. by your logic all of the white english speaking countries are one nation or all the spanish speaking latin nations are one nation

>>17776953
>They have nothing in common except [thing that defines a nation]
>>17776956
You could make the argument that they are one nation. People historically have, some do to this day.

>>17776965
>Nations are when language family
So Mexico is part of the Spanish nation? Actually don't answer this, because I'm sure if you the answer will be "yes"

>>17776971
he literally already said yes in the post you are replying to
>>17776965
>all of latin America and spain is one nation and bongland, America, nz, canada and australia are all one nation because I sneed to be able to argue that germany is prussia reeee

>>17776971
If we define nation purely by language, yes. However if we do that, im part of the english nation which isnt true.
>>17776979
I never claimed germany is prussia?
But yes you could make the argument that all these countries belong to one nation.

>>17776996
>the faggot trying to say everything is one nation is a leaf
lmao

>>17777005
A leaf? Whered you get that idea. You think im french canadian? Jesus stop assuming anon

>Rome never existed because it didn't had written constitution
>Neither did Persia, Macedonian empire or Babylon
Crazy things you find out by listening to amerimutts

>>17777066
I always think they must be trolling at first, but some of them get so into it they seem to genuinely believe their own bs

>>17777066
>>17777087
You clearly struggle with English if it's this difficult for you to follow what anyone ITT is saying

>>17766466 (OP)
The Vatican was founded in 30AD. 1929 is an "international recognition" deal.

>>17777089
Whats wrong?

>>17767127
the cope of you /pol/tards is amazing.

>>17768575
Yo this is hilarious. France the 5th century.......

>>17777168
Countries are not Nations

>>17777066
The OP is referencing constitutions as a modern founding document. Yes he is imprecise and probably retarded but not wrong.
A document is required of course, but by the UK's own statements its younger than the US.
And everyone considers the roman republic and empire separate states.
Simply we have too many semi overlapping terms for ideas that we dont even all agree upon. But as a government, the US is about the oldest. Some dumb fake countries are older, plus the Papacy.

>>17777176
>Simply we have too many semi overlapping terms for ideas that we dont even all agree upon.
There is no ambiguity. If you think nations or civilizations are the same thing as governments of said nations and civilizations then you're either retarded or struggle with English

>>17777184
>same thing as governments of said nations
Oh so we had hundreds of Roman empires?
>Uuuhhh that emperor changing whole government after coup doesn't count!!!
It's just a piece of paper get over it mutty

>>17777175
Yea thats my point
The country of USA is older than lotta other countries
The nation (people) arent

>>17777193
>Oh so we had hundreds of Roman empires?
3-and-a-half Romes you mean, Roman Republic, Western Roman Empire, Eastern Roman Empire, and the Holy Roman Empire if you want to count the half. Every other claimant to Rome's successor nobody takes seriously

>>17777198
Post a historical cake recipe

>>17777176
>And everyone considers the roman republic and empire separate states
Except the Romans themselves

>>17776406
What changed in 1945

>>17768592
Because it allows America to "win"

>>17768592
Because they weren't just new constitutions, they were entirely new governments that had to be installed because Krauts and Commies both fucked up the continent too much

Mad how the USA was formed by rebelling against a country that wouldn't exist till years later

The UK was founded in 1948 when the Windrush arrived you bigot, but thats not even the current iteration. The Yookay was founded when the Boriswave arrived.

>>17766466 (OP)
Successor states carry with them everything from before. No one doubts that Russia is the successor of the USSR. Russia did not suddenly appear with new people, a new culture, and brand new traditions.

It's the same with France in the xth Republic, and even to the Frankish Kingdoms.

>>17766486
>you really gunna try the
>we waz romanz eeen sheeet
>stuff?

I mean they literally were. French (as we think of them today) history for example stretches back to at least Charlemagne, maybe even earlier. the Carolingian renaissance is when we start getting good records at the very least. Prior to around 700-800 we don't know what was going on or if there was much of anything, but it's not like the people disappeared. And before that they were Romans. You could even argue that because of his ties with the HRE and Byz that Charlemagne was a Roman ruler of a sort.

Here is some HRE kino content btw

https://youtu.be/KaFupezjUW0?si=jl51vwZ-WkBwqlgP

>>17777677
In many cases most of these "new goverments" contained a lot of the same members because they were anti commie enough for Americans to scare off the USSR.

>>17777009
you said you were a native english speaker, homo
>>17777066
those countries had codified systems of laws. you yuro retards think
>there were romans here once therefore we waz romans en shit

>>17776408
>each new document radically changes everything. each amendment doesn't really do that to the US constitution
This is a ridiculous argument, because they don't. All the 1801 Act of Union did on a fundemental level was add seats to Parliament. There's been several more impactful ammendments to the US Constitution.

>>17777087
>>17777174
>no we waz romans even though we have no continuity with rome and aren't genetically related

>>17777175
>>17777194
the US is older than a unified germany and a unified italy. yuros just like to find the oldest kindgom with a similar name and go
>we waz macidonians and sheet

>>17777540
nazi occupation ended
>>17777670
Americans always win at everything

>>17777833
>we was gaulz and sheet
>>17778052
>no we waz totally romans and gaulinz

>>17778529
not really, only the bill of rights and 14th amendments are impactful

>>17778552
As a state, yes
As a nation, no
Understand the difference mutt

>>17778665
you have no genetic similarities to any people who lived in that region before. you are someone's rape baby, yuro. fucking unified germany and unified italy weren't even thing until like 150 years ago

>>17778672
What an odd reaction.
Nation =/= state
Dont know how often ill have to say it
Dont know how often youll react by screeching about rape like the nigger you are

>>17778675
because you are a fucking retard and you keep trying to do the
>we waz prussians and shit
and you keep trying to do the
>well this is the oldest political entity in this region therefore that is the beginning of our nation

>>17778561
The 17th ammendment, which made it so Senators were directly elected, was a much larger change to the US Constitution than the 1801 Act of Union was for Britain. The actual equivalent for the 1801 Act of Union would be something like the annexation of Texas.

>>17778696
the senate thing isn't that big of a deal since reynolds v sims would have mooted it anyway in 50 years

>>17778691
I have not claimed "we wuz prussians"
Neither have i tied the starting point of a nation to its earliest known state.
I have not touched these topics at all.

My entire point is, nation is not state. That is it. And mutts genuinely seem to have a really hard time grasping, or admitting this.

>>17778704
you keep trying to argue that germany and italy are older than the US, fagolio

>>17778711
As nations they are, correct.
As states they arent.

>>17778719
they aren't. not as nations, not as cultures, not as anything. they only united in the mid 1800s and most present day germans are ethnically russian or turkish

>>17778737
>They only united in mid 1800s
This implies they existed prior to national unification, without a nation state, hence the desire to unite. We agree then, nation is not state, the nation existed prior to its current state. When do you think the italian and german nations begun?

>>17766466 (OP)
1953 for Denmark was just a constitutional amendment. This retarded map should at the very least have Danmark as 1849 for the introduction of the constitution.

The 27th Amendment to the US Const. was in '92, is the US only 33 years old?

>>17768601
It's just a book of laws describing the form of government.

Most Americans consider 1776 to be the starting point of their country, not 1789.

>>17778755
with unification in the 1860s and 1870s
>>17778756
the 27th amendment wasn't a new constitution and didn't drastically change the constitution.
also denmark was controlled by nazis for years so no it doesn't date back to the 1800s

>>17778809
if you use that logic, we started shooting the bongs in 75

>>17778809
The changes between the Articles of Confederation and the Constitution were minor. America began in 1776.
Deal with it.

>>17778826
so who existed in germany/italy prior to that

>>17780093
Multiple competing Kingdoms and City-states

>>17776953
TRVTH NVKE

>>17766466 (OP)
Midwit bandkid reddit retard post. Im sure youre also the type to aay "germany didnt exist" until 1871

>>17780109
Tell me anon, who was "Germany" before 1871?
Prussia?
Austria-Hungary?
Hanover?
Duchy of Warsaw?
Frankfurt?

>>17780100
That is states
A state is not a people
Do people fundamentally change each time the political entity changes?
>>17780113
The frankfurtian nation
The duchy of warsawian nation
These people are lost to history, with changing law came an entirely new people

>>17780113
OK retard, how do you think the Prussian decided on naming their new nation "Germany" they were just fond of the name? Hang yourself

>>17780122
>Holy roman empire of the german nation
Its amazing, they predicted this future, unrelated country that would be formed some day

>>17780122
They didn't even call themselves Germany until the unification of the Germanic states.

>>17780126
The term german (deutsch) was first used in self reference as belonging to a certain people in the late first millenium

>>17780133
It was a name given to a bunch of miscellaneous central Europea tribal hordes by the Romans, that's why the term "Germanic" ended up being so broad that Germans themselves didn't even know who qualified as German, because it's a fake ethnicity.

>>17766466 (OP)
I thought I'd come over and see the IQ level going on here at /his/. Grim. First thing I see is all these people responding seriously to an obvious troll.

I'll see myself out, you imbeciles have fun

>>17780137
The word "deutsch" (and related older spellings) were not given to the germans by the romans. It is something old germans came up with themselves, in order to refer to themselves.
>>17780138
Its fun ok

>>17780133
The term "deutsch" comes from "diutisk" which just means "people" not "The people" or "The German People" just people. Anyone who didn't speak a Romance language and happened to live in Central Europe were just referred to by the Romans by a generic name that otherwise didn't mean anything. It's like claiming Native Americans were a unified ethnostate and not a million different tribes like the Cherokee and Apache fighting eachother.

>>17780149
i do not claim the german nation existed in roman times. It arose somewhere in the late first millenium out of a combination of germanic tribes. These same tribes still give their name to german sub-identities today. They were all still Diutsk, members of the people.

>>17776879
the USA government changed just last year.

>>17778559
It's strange how the evident insecurity you have about your own genetic lineage compels you to deny the existence of the genetic lineage of others even if it is obviously true. Being descended from Romans has no value associated with it really, it is just a matter of where you were born and to whom you were born. The Romans as we understand them really stopped existing around 1,700 years ago, the civilization had changed to such a dramatic extent that it would be unrecognizable to the Antonine emperors even as early as the 300s. Likewise a consul from the early or mid republican period would look on Marcus Aurelius with horror, that a Roman statesman could be obsessed with Greek philosophy would have been unconscionable. Civilizations change but people don't, not genetically at least, barring genocide or mass migration. These happened in Gaul post-Rome but not even nearly as much as it happened in say Britain.

>>17766466 (OP)
Chamge i goverment doesn't mean a new country is formed, seethe

>>17780093
a completely different race of people than the ones who exist today
>>17780109
germany didn't exist until 1871 you seething yuro cuck

>>17780120
>>17780122
no one in germany today is genetically related to people who lived in that region 300 years ago due to all the immigration and rape babies

>>17780130
makes sense. most of them are only first or second gen yuros
>>17780138
>extremely mad yuro trying to we waz

>>17780557
Fanfic

>>17780175
the population of germany has no genetic collection to those ancient tribes
>>17780456
show me the new constitution

>>17780497
romans were white. modern italians are north african and turkish. you are seething because you want to
>we waz romans and shit
event though italy has no continuity with rome
>>17780500
it literally does retardo

>>17780560
you spent like 60 years being occupied by other nations. like half of all german history is being occupied and having rape babies

>>17780566
>it literally does retardo
No it doesn't schizo, cope and seethe

>>17780573
new constitution means a new government. do you think germany today is the same germany as pre WWI germany retardo?

>>17780575
It's the same country, you are a delusional schizo

>>17780594
it isn't. germany isn't old, faggot

>>17780598
You will seethe forever but still be wrong, schizo

>>17780605
I will forever be correct. weird how you are so fixated on wanting to have continuity with the country that invented trannies

>>17780566
You realize we are talking about French people right? Anyways Italians are more ethnically diverse but they probably have some of the most direct genetic lineage to actual Mediterranean empires. I would say calling them Turkic and North African is a fairly big stretch, if they are that's a modern phenomenon.

>>17780611
>schizo says incoherent and wrong things
Boring

>>17780628
you are angry because you are wrong and can't articulate your argument
>>17780626
modern day french are all algerian and west african

>>17766466 (OP)
It's so weird this thread popped up I've been having this same conversation recently with Japs at work. "Japan is 4000 years old" bro even in Sengoku there wasn't really a unified concept of Japan, not even a formal national government until Tokugawa, and even that isn't solid until Meiji. And by OP's standards that all gets reset after WW2 so whole the japanese language, culture, nationality can claim to be up to 4000 years old, JAPAN is like 70.

>>17780632
>modern day french are all algerian and west african

Oh ok so you are just baiting then

>>17780650
>In 2020-2021, about 6 million people, or 49% of the population of Paris, are either immigrants (21%) or have at least one immigrant parent (28%).
Plus Paris has had more foreign armies march through it than any other city so probably less than 10% of parisans are ethnically french

>>17780562
Modern germans are, for the most part, descendents of those tribes.
>>17780570
I find it funny that mutts say this when your entire continent was founded on euros raping natives and slaves. Projection maybe?

>>17780636
Do you understand the difference between nation and state? Does any mutt?

>>17780728
Yes. And nowhere in the thread has anyone claimed that the US is older than "The French" or "The Japanese". The claim, correctly is that the United States is older than France, or Japan in their current forms. 250 years of unchanged constitutional/political process is a big deal, compared to most states being less than 100 years old, despite the cultures and the people's they contain being older

>>17780727
>Modern germans are, for the most part, descendents of those tribes.
nope
>>17780727
>when your entire continent was founded on euros raping natives and slaves.
you are thinking of south America. the english speaking colonies didn't fuck the injuns

>>17780728
a foreign army occupied your country and fucked your grandma

>>17770340
No wonder they call your shithole a melting pot, you mutts let anyone in.

>>17781978
your women spread their legs to any invading army

>your country's existence only counts if it was founded as an ethnostate
not biased at all my guy lol

Jesus Christ is the Son of God, Who died for our sins and rose from the dead to give us the free gift of eternal life. He also promises to heal your body. You can ask Jesus for His gifts.

>>17780123
It just HRE. The “German nation" just modern historiography term.

>>17781988
Is that why your country is becoming Mexican?

>>17778809
>>17770001
America began in 1620 with the Mayflower Compact and the founding of Plymouth. Early Jamestown was nothing more than an English settlement for economic purposes, but Plymouth was truly something unique because it was founded explicitly by people who held different religious values from mainland England and wanted to create their own community. 1776 formalized our independence but the pieces were set in 1620. The whole reason why liberty and independence were such important sentiments in the colonies during the time of the founding fathers is because of those original pilgrims.

>>17780665
Yes a modern phenomenon, brought on by Israel/US toppling regimes in the med/ME and creating a refugee crisis. This is a product of modern political interference, not a historical trend unless you are willing to name the Jew as a co-conspirator.

>>17782156
your country is more MENA
>>17782500
the plymouth stuff was heavily pushed right after the civil war to downplay jamestown and the south in school and to provide a direct thread from the early permanent bong colonies to the fact mass had the most anti tax protests leading up to patriots day

>>17782610
france viewed algeria as an equal state

>>17782793
when and where

>>17782870
in france and when algeria was an equal state

>>17782875
troll post, again

>>17766466 (OP)
MOGGED by SAN MARINO

European powers colonized everything except my asshole, they forgot to colonize my asshole.

>>17766466 (OP)
>>17766477
Norways first National Constitution is from 1276, one of the first in europe. This was used as a template for the Danish law during their occupation of Norway, meaning the Original version was still the founding basis of Denmarks Norwegian province.
tldr;
Norways Constitution is older than the Black Death.

>>17782877
nope. the frogs recognized algeria as an equal part of fance

>>17782965
Its not too late to rectify that