Thread 17768042

If God made animals eat each other alive to survive, what makes you sinners think he won't burn you alive forever?

But if stop sinning and obey the commands of God, know that he is the one who created orgasms and is so generous that lets even the sinners who hate him have them. So be assured that if you are rigtheous he will reward you with the greatest of pleasures. He will be good to you. God is merciful with those who turn away from evil.

Can I speak with the Big Guy in person to get an actual clue of what he wants?

Not his self-proclaimed intermediaries on 4chan or some priest at the church round the corner, but actually him.
Surely an omnipotent being has infinite time to spare, right?

>>17768044
If you humble yourself before him and seek him honestly you could. His spirit interacts with mankind.

You are getting ahead of yourself by thinking that orgasms are the ultimate pleasure.

>>17768042 (OP)
>so generous that lets even the sinners who hate him have them
Plenty of people can't have orgasms due to medical conditions, injuries, psychological problems...and botched circumcisions, which he is responsible for.

>>17768074
Orgasm is a relatable pleasure.

>>17768088
And you would have been one of them yet thanks to God aren't.

If you truly read the bible, youll see that the commands are contradictory and blurry.
Here it says do this, and there do something totally different.
Its just schizophrenic ancient mambo jambo. It almost makes no sense morally.
Jesus sounds like a retard. He spouts cheap philosophy like Deepak Chopra and other gurus. Also:
>faith healing
>resurections
>exorcisms
Get the fuck out of here. Its all bullshit.

Why should anyone worship a corrupt being that threatens torture? A god of truth and love does not need indoctrination or force.

He has been shown to constantly lie in his books. Why should you trust anything from this cosmic jew?

>>17768162
Those who do evil deserve torture. Do t be desensitized to evil, evil is a grave sin.
Don't accuse God of lying because you do lie and a lie is a serious sin, if he holds you accountable for your lies while he prove that he has never lied you would not be able to endure it.

Don't rest God. Put your hope in him. He is the only one who can give you healing for your soul. Your soul will be refreshed and your joy inmmese. He holds the keys to every door. If he opens the doors of happiness to you there is nobody that can shut them closed.

Turn away from evil. For as long as you have life you have hope and a chance. You don't know when God's patience runs out and he decrees a sentence against the wicked and some evil falls on them. Run away from evil if you value yourself.

There's no such thing as the demiurge. The Sovereign of the spiritual realm is also the Sovereign of the material one. Lord Yahu rules both heaven and earth and does as he pleases in them.

>>17768195
Your "god" will not torture anyone. Your "god" no longer exists. Torture threats are no longer a viable means of controlling people.

>>17768195
Your "god" and his followers have in fact been lying for centuries. Threatening kind people with torture for lack of obedience to laws they themselves do not follow.

>>17768195
>abuse enabler
>blackmailer

The true form of the judeochristian

This is why you abrahamics should be resisted and your names blotted out

You worship a fraud

>>17768226
The more developed abrahamics do not engage in torture threats against outsiders. They do charity work and live their lives peacefully with others. The ones obsessed with threats of hellfire punishment, demons, devils, etc etc, those people are in their own hell realm.

>>17768223
Don't test God. Believe his threat, there's nobody above him that can rescue you from him. Don't do evil. All who do evil must go to hell.

>>17768235
Not falling for it

At the end of the day your brain OS runs on "obey me and my god or torture"

You are antihuman golems. You will never achieve self actualization and outsource your conscousness to a desert entity

>>17768235
There are a number of them, throughout history, who have fallen victim to a delusion: that the voice in their head is god. These people should be avoided and ignored. Some of them mean well but they are not in their right minds. If you disagree with them, you instantly become an "enemy" and its very difficult to persuade them out of that mentality.

>>17768239
You arent God. You were never God. You never will be God. Get over yourself. Your "God" will not be torturing anyone.

You also do evil, and you speak evil.

>>17768246
No I'm not God. But my God rules all things. Only a fool would pick a fight with the Almighty. All who do evil must go to hell. There is no way around it.

>>17768242
Im not Abrahamic.
I can now just tell when an Abrahamic is deluded vs when one isnt. A deluded Abrahamic like the one ITT
>>17768195
will do nothing but endlessly make false threats. Secretly he believes he is God and he is the only good person on earth. He has no power, no authority to judge or condemn anyone. A silly little man with a fake "god" in his head.

>>17768245
God does not speak in your head, he speaks in your ear.

>>17768249
You also do evil. You have condemned yourself. Maybe someday you'll learn.

>>17768251
>Secretly he believes he is God and he is the only good person on earth.
You're projecting.

>>17768254
No I fled from evil and avoid all evil things.

>>17768255
No, I am just not as deluded as you are. Your "god" has no right to torture anyone. Your "god" doesnt exist outside of your sick imagination. Your "god"s followers have done much evil, and claimed to be good.

>>17768258
You lie.

Again, the deluded one thinks he is morally perfect *and* that his god will torture anyone he doesnt like. An intensely evil being.

>>17768259
Yahu created everything. He has the right to torture whoever he wants. He is just. Don't accuse God it evil, you're only harming yourself. God can intercede for you if you sin against another, but if you sin against God who will intercede for you?

>>17768262
I am not morally perfect, to just have a complex. I believe God will torture anyone who does evil. Whether I like him or not.

>>17768042 (OP)
Indeed, alhamdulillah. Have you prayed twice yet?

>>17768267
>>17768265
Yahu is so pissweak and worthless that he cannot stop his historically favored territory, Israel, from mutually wrecking itself with another nation, Iran, both which claim to worship religions derived from his cults. You lose. Its over. Begone. Your whore cults are slowly fading away. Split into dozens of warring factions. You grasp at straws, clinging to powers that you do not have. You failed. Its over. You cant even perform miracles. Go walk on water, see if your "god" is as strong as you claim.
Go walk on water. Do it. Now.

You and your "god" have NO POWER. NO AUTHORITY. YOU ARE NOTHING. YOU CANT PROPHECY. YOU CANT RAISE THE DEAD. YOU LOSE. FOREVER.

All your pissweak demon has left is worthless threats of punishment. Begone.

>>17768284
You have no idea who Israel is.

>>17768265
Yahu created nothing. His cult followers lied, and died like any other men. Yahu did not create this planet. Yahu cannot destroy this planet.

>>17768287
You have nothing left but torture threats. You failed. You are nothing to us. You are inferior. Your god isnt real. He does not rule.

>>17768291
Nah, God is awesome. He rules all things.

>>17768303
He does not. If he did, there'd be no disagreement. Anyone who worships a god who tortures others is evil.

>>17768306
God is good because he tortures the wicked and avenges their innocent victims.

>God real BECAUSE Bad thing happen
Well that's certainly an angle I've never really seen before

>>17768367
>unironically still believing the just world fallacy
That is the exact inversion of reality. Your god loves wicked people he even created lucifer.

Typical christgolem gaslighting

>>17768042 (OP)
>God gives every creature a part in the great drama one time
>this means he's going to do the same thing over and over again forever in the afterlife
please explain

>>17768042 (OP)
>If God made animals eat each other alive to survive, what makes you sinners think he won't burn you alive forever?
How the fuck do you imagine that this is a logical progression? The rational response to the suggestion that this world was created by a being who intentionally structured it so that one of the basic functions of life requires organisms to eat each other alive - actually taking a moment to fully comprehend this, that this was a CHOICE and the world didn't need to have unavoidable misery built into the foundation - is to wholly reject that being, which has by its actions proven itself to be evil beyond a doubt.

If you actually sit for a moment and ponder the unimaginable weight of millions of years of truly countless organisms devouring one another in agony and terror, literally every form of life from bacteria to whales, then I don't see how you could possibly still believe that this world, if it was created, was created by anything other than a being of pure evil. If a loving and benevolent God exists then I will appeal to it to deliver me from the demon that is the Christian god.

>>17768506
Simple. All that fag shit like pain and sadness is infantile surface level analysis that reveals what kind of person you are and what media you consume. In terms of dialectic, you are the smallest because you don't feel ownership over the good. There must be bigger men who advocate for civilization, growth, birth, the power and the glory near you. If you were the biggest, you would think thoughts of glory. Indeed, this goth misery of your is its own bigness. You've run to a place where only you can rule. Even if that place is hell.

>>17768042 (OP)
Mary was a prostitute.
Rebbe Yeshu ate poo.
Yahweh doesn't exist.

>>17768044
It's called studying Scripture. God is at such a high level of wisdom that all of the answers you need are already given to you if you will search the Bible enough.

"Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
- John 5:39

>>17768506
>If you actually sit for a moment and ponder the unimaginable weight of millions of years of truly countless organisms devouring one another in agony and terror, literally every form of life from bacteria to whales,
You're assuming any of them even have consciousnesses. I don't believe they do.

>>17769645
>Jewbook

Not his self-proclaimed intermediaries

>>17768434
>lucifer
Light and confidence was the most beautiful of all the messages, until its downfall. The most powerful message is this.
"There is none like God".
Have you considered his perfect servent Job? There is no one like him. Not even one.

many who are first will be last, and the last first.

>>17768291
>You have nothing left but torture threats. You failed. You are nothing to us. You are inferior. Your god isnt real. He does not rule.

I hope you enjoy burning in the searing flames of eternal damnation asshat

>>17770763
>many who are first will be last, and the last first.

Fucking retard falling for semantic sophistry

>>17768042 (OP)
>If God made animals eat each other alive to survive

This is a result of the curse manifesting, when Eve bit into the apple from the tree of knowledge. Otherwise, it would have been like what Isaiah 11:7 and Isaiah 65:25 described:

>Wolves and lambs will eat together; lions will eat straw, as cattle do, and snakes will no longer be dangerous

This was a vision that Isaiah had regarding the new heaven and new earth, after this current one is destroyed. Things will revert back to how they should have been before the great 'fuck up' that Adam & Eve caused.

I imagine once they bit into the apple, it is what caused roses to begin forming on thorns as well. Or else there would be no thorns on roses.

>>17770841
>what caused roses to begin forming on thorns as well

I meant thorns to begin forming on roses**

>>17770823
Religious views that condemn people to afterlife torture are false. I would not condemn anyone to afterlife torture. It isnt necessary. Being kind to each other is more important than religion.

>>17768042 (OP)
You have a board.
>>>/x/

>>17768088
>God is responsible for my parents falling for a scam scheme planned by the guy who made goyim eat cornflakes for breakfast
Sounds like a skill issue. Circumcision isn't even necesary to become a christian.

>>17770959
>I would not condemn anyone to afterlife torture. It isnt necessary.
Good because you're not worthy to make such judgements.
>Religious views that condemn people to afterlife torture are false.
The truth has nothing to do with your preferences, anon. Judgement is coming regardless of your self-absorbed view of the world.

>>17768732
>Christian is utterly lacking in empathy
Many such cases!

>>17769653
Consciousness isn't required for being eaten alive to be an intensely unpleasant process. True, we don't know how other organisms experience pain, but pain is by definition an unpleasant sensation. It exists to warn organisms that their bodies are being damaged and it couldn't perform that function without being unpleasant regardless of how exactly other organisms experience it.

Animals have obvious responses to pain, you can go kick a dog (don't actually do this) and it will howl in pain. Is it feeling the exact same thing that you would feel if you were kicked, or interpreting it in the same way? Probably not, impossible to say. But animals will go to great lengths to avoid things that cause them pain so at the very least you can assume that it's unpleasant for them too.

All of those unpleasant sensations and emotions that would be a part of being eaten alive (pain, fear, panic, etc) are things that have a very strong evolutionary basis for existing in a similar form in all organisms. Sensitivity to pain keeps you alive, fear of death keeps you alive, panic in the face of overwhelming danger keeps you alive, etc. An animal that didn't experience something analogous to the human version of these sensations would die very quickly so we can assume that what they experience is pretty close to what we experience, even if it's not taking place in a conscious human mind with a fully formed ego.

>>17771346
you're not OP. Bring back the schizo brazilian, I have nothing to say to you pilpul man

>>17771398
>you're not OP
And I never claimed to be.

>pilpul
What a silly accusation. Jews worship the same God you do. If anything, their version of God is even more demonic than the Christian interpretation.

Regardless, I accept your concession.

>>17771346
You're assuming way too much, anon. Way way too much. For example, there is materialism inherent to your thinking. I'm not even a materialist myself.

>>17771794
>more vague nonsense
You're welcome to try to explain why you believe that only humans experience pain but I suspect that you're avoiding making any specific claims because you don't have any. If I'm wrong then by all means, elaborate your rebuttal.

>>17771801
Like I said, I do not have the slightest reason to actually believe any animals have consciousness. Nothing you have said has given me any reason to think that they do either, other than by assuming materialism in writing this >>17768506 post. But I question that assumption. Thus undermining the whole argument and any applicability you seem to think it has to anything.

>>17771818
Right, right. Technically you're avoiding the question but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're not doing it intentionally. You seem to be inventing your own personal definition of "materialism" as well and I'd love to see you define it for us.

Consciousness isn't a prerequisite for experiencing pain as a negative sensory experience. Why do you think that animals wouldn't experience pain? What do you think is taking place when an animal experiences physical harm and recoils from it?

This is what I think animals are, if not just AI robots created by God. Their brains are like you when you were a kid. You don’t even remember being in control of yourself.

>Childhood amnesia, also known as infantile amnesia, is the inability of most adults to recall memories from early childhood, typically before the age of three to four years. This phenomenon occurs due to the brain's developmental processes, which affect how memories are encoded and retrieved during early years.

>>17771931
>I don't remember being a child therefore children can't experience pain because if you can't remember it then it didn't happen
And I'm once again reminded why I don't bother engaging with people on this board. You people come up with the most braindead retarded shit I've ever heard in my life.

You’re an intelligent predator, you have canines. Of course, because you are intelligent this gives you the ability to decide whether you can obtain every nutrient that you need from other sources other than animal meat. You are on a path of discovery trying to figure out if everything around you could be wrong. Just because someone else is doing something doesn’t make it right automatically.

>>17771931
>just AI robots created by God
This Semitic shit is the root cause of the majority of the evil in the world today. First it's ok to do whatever you want to animals because they're automatons with no feeling or emotion, and of course this justifies doing whatever you want to the rest of the non-human world, and then you start applying the same logic to humans who are radically different than you, and soon enough you're arguing that the Crusades were morally justified based on scripture.

>>17772119
God clearly knew that humans would eat meat back in the caveman days. Why would He bother creating something that suffers instead of just creating an AI controlled meat machine? And yeah, you should do anything bad to animals because you can’t prove what I just wrote is real. You can’t even prove that God is real.

>>17772119
God clearly knew that humans would eat meat back in the caveman days. Why would He bother creating something that suffers instead of just creating an AI controlled meat machine? And yeah, you shouldn’t do anything bad to animals because you can’t prove what I just wrote is real, you can’t even prove that God is real.

>>17771346
empathy for what? There's no point in protecting the innocent if nothing bad can happen to them. The entire dynamic of good and evil is self referential.

>>17772119
>they're automatons with no feeling or emotion
Do you remember feeling any type of pain when you were a kid younger than 4 years old? You probably have to ask your parents if you ever injured yourself because you can’t remember it happening.

>>17772515
>Why would He bother creating something that suffers instead of just creating an AI controlled meat machine?
For the same reason he created suffering in the first place. The same reason he created intestinal parasites, children with cancer, sepsis, Alzheimer's, etc etc.

>>17773031
>Do you remember feeling any type of pain when you were a kid younger than 4 years old?
Yes, I do. And even if you personally don't remember your early childhood, to use this as an excuse to dismiss the possibility of young children children being able to experience pain is absurd. Every parent on Earth could relate to you an instance where their infant child was injured and displayed a typical pain response.

If I kidnapped you and spent a couple weeks torturing you, then fed you drugs that made you completely forget the experience, does it mean that you never felt any pain while being tortured?

>>17774001
>their infant child was injured and displayed a typical pain response
You realise that humans eventually will be able to create their own AI robots capable of mimicking pain, right? Are you telling me that God couldn’t have made animals the same way?

https://youtu.be/TDxOUD7AgJk

>>17774001
I don’t want to freak you out or anything, but you can even tell for sure if your parents are real or just God created AI robots. You eat whatever they eat, that’s how it’s always been.

https://youtu.be/VVDxDXq1VEY

>>17774001
I don’t want to freak you out or anything, but you can’t even tell for sure if your parents are real or just God created AI robots. You eat whatever they eat, that’s how it’s always been.

https://youtu.be/VVDxDXq1VEY

>>17774095
>You realise that humans eventually will be able to create their own AI robots capable of mimicking pain, right?
If you need to appeal to this sort of speculative nonsense in order to support your position then it's a sign you've already lost.

>Are you telling me that God couldn’t have made animals the same way?
In a purely theoretical sense then yes, God could have made literally anything. But you have yet to provide any actual reasoning for the assumption that all non-human organisms are equivalent to "AI robots". And even if this were the case, what would be the point?

Let's suppose for the sake of argument that God did in fact structure the world so that only humans are capable of feeling pain. When any other animal displays a pain response, it's simply putting on a show for the sake of convincing human observers that the animal is feeling pain when, in reality, it isn't feeling anything at all.

Ok, so why did God do this? Because he knew that people would want to eat animals and it would be cruel to allow animals to feel pain >>17772515? This is an omnipotent, omniscient God we're talking about. If all he wanted was to provide humans with cruelty-free meat, he could have made meat plants. He could make it occasionally rain meat from the sky. He could do literally anything; he's God.

The most likely motivation for God in this scenario, the Christian God who per scripture is endlessly fond of testing his worshippers, is to create these AI robot animals as a test of human empathy. All your senses tell you that animals feel pain when they're injured. Will you react with empathy, or will you invent an elaborate cope to justify continuing to harm animals?

>>17774109
If you've been backed into a corner to the extent that your only resort is an appeal to solipsism then I'm afraid I'll be forced to accept your concession.

>>17768044
Fpbp

>>17774316
Fear God. God felt it was ok for animals to feel pain. It was his choice. Just like it is his choice to create hell for those who do evil. You can try arguing all you want but you're not gonna change it.

God will pick the tired and the afflicted, the poor and the oppressed and all who suffered unjustly in the end and he will give them a paradise to spend eternity in. The people who will love him with the power of ten thousand suns will eclipse the ill will any of you have against him.

Your arguments will be silent and you will not utter a word before him. All you will want is to be a part of them too.

God is worth believing. He is God.

>>17774316
What about eating animals that have no brains or nervous system? A nervous system is necessary to feel pain.
There are many animals with a very simple nervous system.

>>17768044
This is me sometimes, God wants to follow him but not in a single time have I received a signal from him. And if he is talking to me, I'm too retarded and prideful to listen to him. I don't see the signals.
>Anon read the bible
Meaning changes if you read one translation or another and the bible itself is self conscious about the ignorance of humans, literally sin means "missing the mark".

Us not being able to follow God is ingrained in our own nature, how the fuck do I follow God? Even Jesus in the bible is not really Jesus, it's people talking about Jesus. I wish I could talk to him and have things clear. But then again I'm not God so what the fuck do I know, if he doesn't talk to me it must be for good reasons

>>17775598
>Oh, the king has not once bothered to come contact you, how inconsiderate of the holy Almighty king to not come and give you a sign.

You're the one who must but effort to contact God. He is the supreme ruler of the whole universe and you're one out of quintillions of souls. Humble before him and he will give you a sign.

>>17776102
Christ said there would be no signs given to this wicked generation. So either the Bible is inaccurate, or you abide the communion of the adversary. Can't have it both ways.
>but it is the end times
You do not know that. None do. They claim to calculate the days, months, and years of scripture, yet none coincide truly. It was said we would not know the day or the hour. And worse, any semblance of sign has been obfuscated by the fact that historical cycles have repeated, repeatedly, since. I would presume the demons would want this to lead more to destruction and corruption no doubt, in their arrogance and ignorance.