Why did unions die out in America?

>>17769427 (OP)
Replaced by cheap illegal labor

>>17769430
No, that's the result of not having unions.

>>17769427 (OP)
The American “left” stopped caring about the working class, even began to hate them, and started prioritizing fags and cheap Mexican and black votes.

>>17769449
... Duh

>>17769457
fag here, I've voted Trump 3 times in a row.

>>17769427 (OP)
Crackers voted for Reagan

>>17769457
>The American “left” stopped caring about the working class
so where was the American "right" picking up the slack?

Several industries are still unionized including food workers, freight workers et al

>>17769457
>started prioritizing fags and cheap Mexican and black votes.
Not really. The way vote is just cashing in on countering republicans and blacks and Hispanics are mostly thrown under the bus since both parties break promises to them the same way Republicans do for most of its voterbases. None of the two parties actually give a shit about their voters regardless.

>>17769427 (OP)
WW2 whipped everyone up into a participatory frenzy, average people engaged with the structures of societies, advocated for their self interest and thus profited.

As they profited, their children profited, and let down their guard. Thus plutocratic interests began dismantling what they built piece by piece, undermining labor to drive up profits, spiraling down to the modern day which is a demoralized nadir of public participation that can only be escaped from by crisis or a great mass inspiration.

>>17769464
If you’re being earnest, you’re an anomaly and you know it.
>>17769559
>whataboutism
The right isn’t picking up the slack and it’s a huge missed opportunity. Conservatives like Trump at least tap into that dissatisfaction with his rhetoric, but you know how it’s actually going.
>>17769574
>Not really
Just because they’re liars and throw their voting chattel under the bus doesn’t mean they aren’t using them as voting chattel. But they do give them more than republicans give to their voter base. They keep trying to bring them in en masse and don’t want to send them back. That’s why their votes are so easily gained.

>>17769595
>If you’re being earnest, you’re an anomaly and you know it.
Nope. We're not all far left commies.

>>17769427 (OP)
the taft hartley act of 1947 severely undermined unions by giving the president power to unilaterally break strikes "in the national interest." It also made general strikes illegal, requiring unions to only strike against their employer, and strikes against secondary employers contracting with their employer were only allowed in very limited circumstances. It also weaponized the national labor relations board (the government agency that handles labor disputes) against unions, by empowering businesses to be able to sue their unions at the NLRB for unfair labor practices, while prior to this only unions could sue management for unfair labor practices.

Truman vetoed it, but congress overrode the veto, then Truman proceeded to use the presidential strike breaking authority 12 times.

>>17769427 (OP)
Outsourcing jobs + open borders

>>17769595
>anomaly

Yeah, but enough of us minority anomalies exist that we gave orange man a clean sweep of the White House.

As a minority (unironic brown) who voted for Trump, I don’t expect the majority of people who look like me to vote R, I just want to win over enough of us that it ruins future elections for you.

>>17769664
You are a Filipino on welfare

>>17769680
>brown nigger larping wherever necessary
color me surprised

>>17769680
I am OWED reparations.

>everyone moved to the suburbs (too spaced out for people to share common experiences of getting fucked over by companies)
>"Well, there you go again, scaring everyone into thinking I'm actually gonna smash the unions like I've been saying someone should for my entire political career."
Class consciousness amongst the plebs can only happen in cities. The second people spread out from each other, you get dibshit Republican voter beliefs like "actually, the rich are geniuses, not the source of my suffering" and "actually, the local teacher's union are the TRUE elites; no, don't ask me how they could be both the elites and yet not have billions."

The reason the rich are organized is because they're constantly coming together and centralizing: they go to the same schools, same clubs, work at the same companies, buy the same mansions, live together, fly the same private planes together, etc. The reason the people are doomed is because they're so decentralized and scattered about, experiencing radically different lives and different margins of society, not only making them easy to pick off one-by-one but preventing any sort of class organization despite their common source of suffering and common interests.

>>17769591
>great mass inspiration
Like what anon? Any examples from history?

>>17769711
>you get dibshit Republican voter beliefs like "actually, the rich are geniuses, not the source of my suffering"
That could just be because they live in a nice house in a suburb and don't know what real suffering is or don't have much to complain about. Middle Class IS petit-Bourgeois after all

>>17769715
Middle class has been stretched so wide that as a definition it has become to vague. More so when many jobs are falling behind in their ability to provide such a living due to inflation, salaries not being increased to keep up with it properly and QoL jumps.

>>17769715
i think it's a weird mix of survivorship bias and dearth of empathy
>my alcoholic dad beat me and my mother daily and i turned out fine, why couldn't everyone else?

>>17769711
When people are that disorganized, that's when you get idiotic beliefs like thinking the elites are an alliance of undergrads, the gays, the unions, the libs, illegal migrants, the homeless, "urban Americans," non-Christians, and whoever is the current leader of the Democratic party.

The repeal of the fairness doctrine also played a part in the deterioration of American society. Before, people were forced to hear both sides the argument on the issues of the day. Now, everyone can live inside partisan echo chambers where you're constantly pumped a message that everyone outside the party is a pedophile.

This isn't because Republicans are genuinely committed to freedom of not having to hear viewpoints, since their end-goal is to get rid of all media that's not basically run by the party. This is a reaction to the Nixon investigation, where everyone had to watch the evidence come in. That's when you get Republican voters seeing that Nixon clearly tried to use campaign funds to bribe prisoners for their silence, and this forcing them to face reality is what moved them to pressure their Republican representatives to remove the president. Eventually, the GOP learned that you have to set up echo chambers to prevent voters from being exposed to reality, which is when you get the push for the fairness doctrine repeal in the '80s, and Fox in the '90s.

>>17769715
There's not really a middle class in the US anymore, other than nominally. Since the mid-70s, wealth has slowly been centralized into the hands of the ultra-rich, something that runs directly parallel with the destruction of unions and suppression of labor.

>>17769718
Oh and increased costs of entry for many jobs such as with certs, or needing to purchase tools, equipment and items to actually call yourself a professional because your workplace doesn't provide them.

>>17769714
Meiji Restoration

>>17769595
>they aren’t using them as voting chattel.
Most of their voters from either group has been declining.

>They keep trying to bring them in en masse and don’t want to send them back. That’s why their votes are so easily gained.
Many Latinos are right-wing and a very large percentage have been in the country for a long time. The migration angle doesn't contribute enough to the big picture

The Democratic Party supports the interests of lumpenprole trash.

The Democrats current move is supporting hostile invaders waving foreign flags who are looting and burning American cities. THAT is why you are losing popular elections.

Any answer to this is cope.

>>17769737
The problem with this statement is that "middle-class" is poorly defined. The vast majority of Americans own some kind of property or home or at least have a close family member that does, which traditionally puts the majority of Americans within the middle class, and everyones standard of living is different so what might be a frugal for some could be overindulgent for others

>>17769740
The movement that led to Meiji was almost entirely confined to the lower aristocracy and some small adjacent social classes like doctors

>>17769743
Can't even get the basic skeleton of your schizo posting right brownie.

>THAT is why you are losing popular elections.
Its because they decided to run Kamala and didn't learn why running such a ghoul didn't work the first time with Clinton

>>17769752
Ok, but keep supporting foreigners waving foreign flags looting and burning US properties.

I’m sure that’s going to win you the midwestern swing states.

>>17769715
You can't get anglo americans to vote for brown third world communism just by gaining a majority. Anglos know that everything around them comes at a cost and will resist the destruction of the US through socialist policies even if it means prolonging the death of the US

>>17769755
You. Are. A. Filipino. On. Welfare.
You are not an expert on US labor or politics and even if you were why should anyone listen to a leech like you.

>>17769752
It's entirely personality based. I'm sure her speaking skills rival that of the average hood so they probably didn't notice

>Democrats droning on: blah, blah, blah muh republicans vote against their economic interests, muh austerity and trade deficits, and blah blah

VERSUS

>15 second clip of a beaner screaming “FUCK GRINGOS” and throwing a Molotov at a small business

Which of the two will swing midwestern voters more? The results may shock you!

>>17769765
One thousand DNC labor and policy experts vs one TikTok clip of a group of Latinx waving a Mexican flag and chanting “death to America”

Which will win over more swing state voters? The answer may surprise you!

“Why are we losing swing states, why won’t these dumb yokels vote for us?”

“Didn't they listen to Gavin Newsoms speech? This is a peaceful rally agianst Trump”

“How did JD Vance win every swing state in 28? Top DNC strategists here to break it down. David Hogg?”

“I got it, double our budget for celebrity endorsements! That’ll turn it around in 2032!”

“If only Midwest yokels would vote for us, their cities would look like our cities!”

I think we broke chud anon

>>17769427 (OP)
Maybe in your dogshit state but in mine the unions are shockingly powerful

>>17769821
and irish

>>17769609
Gay Nazis didn't make the Nazis any less homophobic retard

>>17769664
Shut up welfare cheating brownoid

>>17769427 (OP)

They forgot to offer FBI, CIA, ATF, BSA, DEA etc unionship.

Imagine you're a glowie and you want union job protection too. Well, Teamsters... ?!?

>>17769827
just add that retard to your filter

>>17769776
>The results may shock you!
only if you're a democrat

>>17769427 (OP)
Non-union job growth outpaced union job growth naturally, because unions restrict entry to concentrate benefits for incumbents.

>>17769427 (OP)
American unions are stronger than ever. They can't afford a house, a doctor and a lawyer - and they will pay for their college till they die - because of unions.
There are no unions in industrial jobs because there are no industrial jobs in America (unions have already killed them kek)

>>17769914
>unions made those poor manufacturers leave the country

>>17769755
>keep supporting foreigners waving foreign flags
They aren't foreigners if they were born here and most of the protestors are
>looting and burning US properties.
No one but the extremists support this and your strawmanning doesn't change that, welfare leech

>>17769822
Polish, actually.

>>17769755
you don't get it man
if they don't give obese ugly mexican goblinas a mic and pay them sinecure to slander white boyz, the trumplicans will win o algo
I cannot stand the right but this beanedup democratic needs a good spanking for fucking up Yang and bernies platform. I'm enjoying watching the squeal

>>17769946
> No one but the extremists support this

All we have to do is play 10 second TikTok clips of them doing it and you’ve lost control of the narrative lol

Corruption by the mob and the american desire of being treated like a slave

>>17769976
>All we have to do is play 10 second TikTok clips of them doing it and you’ve lost control of the narrative lol
You're right and it's a damn shame, LA only looked like that on a single intersection on a single night by the way. Whatever is left of the protests there now are just a bunch of police walking around and white liberals

>>17769988
I don’t doubt you at all, but at the end of the day I want to win and it’s all about putting a spin on the events for political messaging. Nothing personal.

>>17769923
When the US loaned out money to Japan and Europe to rebuild their more centralized planning structures got the top of the line machinery and stuck people on it while the US sat on their hands. This was because the US machinery was now outdated and required much more skilled labor to operate. The Unions negotiated to be transferred to a new "clean" job rather than being laid off. So not only were the companies forced to foot the bill of the furnaces, they had to foot the bill of a worker who isn't working while you start shitting money into the void making your operation "clean" for the environment so you can transfer that worker into that new industry, while training them.

In Japan they just laid everybody off

>>17769449
no, it caused not having unions. there were amazon (or one of the companies bezo's owns, maybe wholefoods) docs that told stores to hire "diverse" workforces because their studies showed it prevented unions from forming

>>17769946
most of the protesters are foreign nationals and most democrats support them because they hate America

>>17769976
>Literally banking on the gullible and the emotional because reality disproves him
Lol

>>17769992
>at the end of the day I want to win and it’s all about putting a spin on the events for political messaging.
Literally admits to lying lol

>>17770030
The democrats never had reality on their side. They’re also worse at messaging.

You WILL lose in 2028, screencap this.

>>17770035
Who’s lying retard? We’re just publishing what your “peaceful protesters” are up to and letting the voter decide lol

>>17769449
The unions funded the Democratic Party which brought in tons of cheap foreign labor with pro-illegal immigrant policy and non-enforcement of border laws

>>17770058
Illegals are the most effective scabs in herstory, but yall ain’t ready for that conversation *nailpoish emoji*

>>17770062
>>17770058
it's still funny to me how dems care more about illegals than they care about humans
>no the rich need their cheep labor to work for less than minimum wage, they sneed it

>>17770066
>stop blaming illegals for taking jobs and driving up housing costs, blame le billionaires

They’re literally on the same team lmfao

Almost every billionaire supports open borders and unlimited cheap immigrant labor to undercut the working class.

>>17770051
>They’re also worse at lying
FTFY
>You will lose in 2028
I'll be winning in 2028 when the regime dumps you in a shallow grave for being a brown welfare cheat lmao
>Who's lying
You literally just admitted that it's not about facts but spin and manipulation in service of victory. You're so fucking retarded.

>>17770098
That’s not lying, it’s called media literacy sweetie. Too bad your side is terrible at it, hoeless no rizzz ass nigga *nailpolish emoji*

>>17769427 (OP)
Labor unions peaked from the 1920s to the 1970s when there was barely any immigration to disrupt them. We’ve basically returned to a gilded age/progressive era situation today.

>>17769427 (OP)
>Why did unions die out in America?

Unions themselves bear much of the blame, as in the 1970s they stopped trying to expand unionization and instead focused on getting more and more for their already unionized members (many of which were lazy useless fucks). UAW workers for example will happily "work" 12 hour days 7 days a week instead of demanding more union workers get hired, as they don't actually physically work anything even close to those hours and are just sucking up overtime money.

If you go to the UAW's website and try to look up getting a union, all they tell you is "talk to your coworkers about getting a union!" which will only get you fired when some bootlicker rats you out to management. Back in the 1930s-50s the union was _actively_ pushing to unionize non-union shops and holding rallies and strikes all over the US to get more people unionized.

>>17769457
>The American “left” stopped caring about the working class, even began to hate them, and started prioritizing fags and cheap Mexican and black votes.

True, in the 1970s the Dems went full-retard supporting every fringe kook element out there to the point average Americans (many of them union members) threw their support behind Reagan.

We're seeing the same happen with Trump getting elected, as the Dems once again ignored average Americans to promote trannies, illegals, dindos, etc.

>>17769449
Unions are voluntary. Mass migrants don't participate because the $200 membership fee that won't protect their ass for the next 5 years anyway can be sent to their family instead.

You've never seen how unions function in the US, am I right?

>>17770129
illegals don't want to be in unions anyway hell "legal" migrants also don't want to be in unions. unions would prevent illegals and migrants from selling their labor for less than market rate. Illegals and "legal" migrants have no class solidarity

>>17769559
Because they are corporate shills.

>>17769559
>so where was the American "right" picking up the slack?

Reps don't want unions so they concentrate in the retarded social policies the Dems keep trying to force down American's throats (which keeps backfiring on them).

>>17770165
so are the dems. Are you really going to pretend every post carter dem isn't a corpo?
historically populist/anti corpo economic policies and right wing social policies have been the most popular policies in America if not the world. See Andrew Jackson and Teddy Roosevelt
dems are pro corporation and completely commie socially

>>17770175

This guy had an excellent interview on NPR where he said if the Reps embraced unions as part of Trump's nationalists agenda, they'd be unbeatable as Americans want good jobs and DO NOT want woketardation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sohrab_Ahmari

https://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2024/12/11/ahmari-conservative-labor-union-workers-politics

>>17770157
Not true, a lot of legal migrants are drawn to left wing (often hard left) politics, and deportations were a huge part of the first red scare.
I'm an immigrant and I don't break strikes or cross picket lines.

>>17770005
>bezo's
americans can't even speak one language correctly

>>17770182
illegals and "legal" migrants are all left wing pinko commies, but they are all anti union because they all want to sell their labor for lower than market rate and work in illegally bad conditions. they just hate white people.
you are a scab. you exist to make working conditions worse and drive down wages. I've worked with "legal" immigrants before. they are fine with doing unlawful dangerous shit osha bans. they are scabs
>>17770186
oh no a typo because I changed my mind while typing
why are you in this thread, just seething about Americans since we control your country?

>>17770181
it's a shame trump is one of the most populist republicans and he still won't do it and most neocons want to be moderate on social shit, but pro corpo

>>17770188
I got forced out of my home country by market conditions, you think I like having the world dominated by those? You think any of us do?
And no one likes low wages, every worker under capitalism takes what they can get and getting underpaid comes down to a lack of bargaining power (and, to a degree, corpos buying politicians to give immigrants less bargaining power than citizens)
I'm sorry about your coworkers ignoring OSHA, that's bad and they shouldn't do that.

>>17769742
Completely wrong. If even some vote conservative, they mostly vote democrat. The spread is huge in favor of democrats and its worth bringing them in. You’re also pretending that the overall trends. California will never be red again because of hispanic migration. Georgia became a swing state because of demographics shifts (and its not from more black people). You don’t need a supermajority to win a state. It’s not just Mexicans too but other immigrants like Somalis that strengthen democrat votes in places like Minnesota. Dems are the ones that push everything aside and bring these people in as fast as they can because its easy votes. Then actual, or self-described leftists, support it.

>>17770216
you need to go back. you shouldn't be here. you are a scab and you are only here because the rich bankers want you to drive down the value of labor and working conditions. you actively harm the working class and only benefit the rich

>>17770231
trump did 50-50 (47-47) with latinx men under 30

>>17770240
If I did go back, would there not just be more competition for jobs (thereby driving down wages) in the country I originated from? (which appears, based on other posts in this thread, to also be your home country)
"More workers = worse life for every worker" is a product of capitalism and is better resolved by building class consciousness than by policing national boundaries.

>>17770250
>If I did go back, would there not just be more competition for jobs (thereby driving down wages) in the country I originated from?
not my problem
> (which appears, based on other posts in this thread, to also be your home country)
my home country is America. yours is not
>"More workers = worse life for every worker" is a product of capitalism and is better resolved by building class consciousness than by policing national boundaries.
that's fucking retarded. when we had strict immigration laws in the 1950s we had the highest standard of living. meanwhile socialism and communism were causing famines and mass starvation. Left wing ideologies are based on enslaving the people

>>17770250
i dont know what it is about chronically online nepobabies but they sure to love larping as roughnecks lmfao

>>17770303
most Americans don't like illegals. hell most people in the global north don't like migrants. it's why right wing parties have been gaining ground in most countries with only like denmark or the netherlands not having that "issue" because their commie party is anti immigrant

>>17770275
anon, I emigrated *from* America...
Also, in the 1930s (which also had tight immigration policy, the restrictions came in 1924) Americans moved to the USSR because they were being fucked over so hard by the Great Depression.
It wasn't tight immigration in itself that made America prosperous for the average person, but its labor movement and having a pro-worker president in FDR.

>>17770365
>anon, I emigrated *from* America...
fake news
>Americans moved to the USSR because they were being fucked over so hard by the Great Depression.
lmao, fake news
>but its labor movement and having a pro-worker president in FDR.
FDR put Americans in concentration camps and did everything he could to cause Americans to starve and exacerbate the great depression
he seized gold and then caused inflation so the asset rich rich would have more and regular people would lose their savings, he passed the NFA to stop starving people from "poaching" and he ordered crops burned while people starved.
FDR was a piece of shit and you aren't American and you never were American

>>17770378
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1991-12-29-mn-2097-story.html news article from an American outlet around the time the USSR collapsed, it wasn't fake news
and FDR won four landslide elections in a row while the economy started rebounding the year he took office

>>17770387
>news article from an American outlet
LA times is communist propaganda, not American
>nd FDR won four landslide elections in a row while
those elections were rigged
> while the economy started rebounding the year he took office
it literally didn't. he intentionally made the great depression worse and last longer and then put Americans into concentration camps. he is up there with stalin and hitler in terms of being an evil piece of shit

>>17770391
LA Times is not only owned by a richfag, it's historically been so fanatically anti-worker that left-wing militants tried to blow it up

>>17770403
it's left wing nonAmerican banker propaganda

>>17770188
>confusing possessive with nominative
>typo
you don't have the slightest idea about the workings of the english language you claim to be speaking lmao

>>17770409
I didn't confuse one with the other, retard. I was going to write
>one of bezos's companies
and then decided to reword it mid sentence and didn't care enough to fix what I already wrote because bezos is bald and israeli

>>17770414
>bezos's
>bezo's
is this bezo in the room with us?

>>17770417
I didn't even capitalize his name. I obviously don't feel like I need to give him the dignity to spell his name right or correct a typo in his name, because he is bald

>>17770102
>That’s not lying,
It is and you literally just admitted it, welfare cheat SEAmonkey
>Media literacy
Fake
>Brownoid acts like a catty negress when confronted on his blatant lack of character
Every time.