Thread 17772330

No trolling/baiting pls
Was haplogroup R and Yamnayas/PIEs West Eurasian/Caucasoid or where they were Mongoloid/East Eurasian ?
What is the reason for some europeans being pseudo mongoloid looking ?

>>17772330 (OP)
ANE origin
*But* ANE (Ancient north Eurasians) weren't "hapas", but they in fact, had some Jack chan ancestry. Not much, but was there
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Ps: your thread sucks
>What is the reason for some europeans being pseudo mongoloid looking ?
>No trolling/baiting pls
KSY

>>17772360
Ops
by the way, these are not ANE, but rather, tarim. I used them because they are basically the descendants of ANE... so they were not very different.

>>17772330 (OP)
Shut UP OP. Go go troll in Punjab, jeeter
>>17772360
the Le R1b/a meme must die, the PIE had other haplotypes that were just as important. Yamnaya for example, had J and passed this haplotype on to the Balkans and the Eastern Aryans (Srubnaya and Andromutts) had Q, which was older than them.

>>17772360
Some euros are defenetely mongoloid looking
Especially northern ones

>>17772387
Retarded faggot im asking a legit question

>>17772330 (OP)
haplogroups aren't of a race
"caucasoid" and "mongoloid" describe phenotypes and are thus meaningless 18th century racebabble
yamnaya got r from ane, who were ""hapas"" (60% west 30% east eurasian) but east eurasians weren't """mongoloid""" back then. r comes from p which comes from k2, which is east eurasian
however this ""mongoloid"" admixture is too old to have any sort of effect in modern phenotype, which is probably just covergent evolution or recent admixture

>>17772421
So haplogroup R was east eurasian then and the east eurasian of that time werent mongoloid looking ?

>>17772432
They looked like hapas
>>17772360
Tarim was mediated by steppe

>>17772435
Who ?
PIE/yamnaya or the first R ?

>>17772440
Both
1/3 of yamnaya samples, resemble asiatics

>>17772457
Didnt they looked more like churkas/caucasians/dagestanis ?

>>17772432
R is ANE... but it comes from the east eurasian side yes
no, mongoloid features like slant eyes developed later.

>>17772330 (OP)
Gimme

>>17772330 (OP)
I'd wager that given the prevalence of features such as dolicho and brachy cephalic phenotypes as well more or less pronounced mongoloid folds(can be found across the old and new world, even in places that didn't have contact with asiatic populations like south africa) that they're just an adaptation to something or a consequence of adaptation to something(brachycephaly in animals is known element of domestication syndrome, probably the genes coding the shape of skull also code some parts of the brain that help surviving domestic life) rather than some kind of ancestral trait(like light hair or eyes or negro headpubes)

If we go back a little more P* seems to have come from K, which is said to have originated from West Asia possibly. So it seems to do like a full circle in terms of human migrations.

>>17773596
From West Asia ?
Like turkey/caucasus ?

>>17772330 (OP)
modern phenotypes are unrelated to paleolithic phenotypes, so the appearance of the original R carrier is ultimately irrelevant

>>17773596
well obviously, everyone eurasian descends from people who lived in the middle east at some point. remember "east eurasian" includes abos and the andamese, not just chinks

>>17774117
Yeah east eurasian doesnt mean chinky/mongoloid
Especially that some SSA and west eurasians can look chinky/mongoloid sometimes

>>17773596
>which is said to have originated from West Asia possibly.
K2 did not originate in a genetically West Eurasian population though.

>>17772432
The Tianyuan side of ANS/ANE wouldn't have resembled modern day East Asians.

>>17772389
That is neoteny.

>>17774899
EHG transmitted the East Asian EDAR to SHG and Yamnaya. So their East Eurasian comes from the same stock as modern East Asians.
The blue line: Y-DNA K
The orange line: Y-DNA C/D

"This cranio-morphometric study emphasizes a “two-layer model” for eastern Eurasian anatomically modern human (AMH) populations, based on large datasets of 89 population samples including findings directly from ancient archaeological contexts. Results suggest that an initial “first layer” of AMH had related closely to ancestral Andaman, Australian, Papuan, and Jomon groups who likely entered this region via the Southeast Asian landmass, prior to 65–50kya. A later “second layer” shared strong cranial affinities with Siberians, implying a Northeast Asian source, evidenced by 9kya in central China and then followed by expansions of descendant groups into Southeast Asia after 4kya. These two populations shared limited initial exchange, and the second layer grew at a faster rate and in greater numbers, linked with contexts of farming that may have supported increased population densities. Clear dichotomization between the two layers implies a temporally deep divergence of distinct migration routes for AMH through both southern and northern Eurasia."
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-35426-z
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-00295-6

>>17772330 (OP)
>Was haplogroup R and Yamnayas/PIEs West Eurasian/Caucasoid or where they were Mongoloid/East Eurasian ?
They were pure pale-skinned blondes. Many European countries are 50%+ Yamnaya - if they were mongoloid, that would be visible today.
>What is the reason for some europeans being pseudo mongoloid looking ?
That's an offshoot of the Siberian/Saami peoples.

>>17772330 (OP)
>>17775940
Here's more detail:

>>17772330 (OP)
Why do I have the feeling that it's another thread where OP is talking to himself...

>>17775940
This map was made by the Eupedia admin Maciamo who liked this post.

How did Fingols Mongolize Spanish and Italian people? It's obvious that was another "Fingol" running around and Mongolizing everyone.
Also nootice how those examples are also depigmented like the EHG I posted. Interesting and remarkable.

>>17775964
>This map was made by the Eupedia admin Maciamo who liked this post.
Your point being?

>>17775951
What is Nganassan called in G25? Is it a population which is partly ancestral to Finns or is it a modern proxy for Uralic admix?

There's a sample called kra001 which Davidski advocates for modeling Uralic. I'm trying to figure out what sources are needed to model Finns completely while isolating their Yamnaya %.

>>17775940
Thats east eurasian
Not east asian

>>17772330 (OP)
does this nice pretty lady know you're using her pic to talk about mongoloids anon?

>>17776196
Probably not

>>17775886
>The orange line: Y-DNA C/D
No evidence southern route did not have K. Australasians lack Tianyuan ancestry yet they still carry M and S.

>who likely entered this region via the Southeast Asian landmass, prior to 65–50kya.
Southern route doesn't date to 65-50kya see >>17774884
However Australasians in particular have deeper ancestry that is still undeterimnable.

>.A later “second layer”
Related to IUP ancestry in Tianyuan.

>So their East Eurasian comes from the same stock as modern East Asians.
East Asians are Tianyuan + Onge while ANS/ANE is Tianyuan + West Eurasian.

>>17776237
In the emerging story, most East Asian populations can be traced back to an initial entry into East Asia of a primary ancestral lineage, ESEA, whose most basal representative currently appears to be the 40,000-year-old individual from Tianyuan, in northern China. Although its descendant lineages today occupy a large part of both northern and southern East Asia, from the inland to the coast, collective evidence indicates the main entry into East Asia may have been south of the Tibetan Plateau, primarily since the core populations of its nearest sister lineages are presently dispersed throughout southeastern Asia and surrounding islands; AASI is found primarily in South Asia, and AA in Australia and surrounding islands with Hòabìnhian ancestry coming to occupy Southeast Asia.
https://www.cambridge.org/core/elements/reconstructing-the-human-population-history-of-east-asia-through-ancient-genomics/0524D629660B5E43FC7094C043D54C6A

>>17776237
>Australasians lack Tianyuan ancestry yet they still carry M and S.
Do you think Ust'-Ishim and Oase got to Siberia and Romania from Papua?
>Southern route doesn't date to 65-50kya
Wrong. Y-DNA C/D is the oldest in Eurasia. They got replaced by Y-DNA K.
>Related to IUP ancestry in Tianyuan.
Related to Oase/Ust'-Ishim/Tianyuan who were running around Siberia.
>East Asians are Tianyuan + Onge while ANS/ANE is Tianyuan + West Eurasian.
Southeast Asians didn't exist until 4000 years ago. The "first layer" entered China as fully formed East Asians from the North. Read the shit.

>>17776125
It seems to be one of those Russian asiatic populations.

>>17776310
Oase is from Europe, not from Siberia.
>Wrong. Y-DNA C/D is the oldest in Eurasia.
>They got replaced by Y-DNA K.
I mean, we don't know how it happened. And C wasn't exactly replaced. IUP samples are all K related. C in Aurignacians shows up in Europe after them.

>map
There's a large gap between 45 kya and 9 kya. By 30 kya East Asians couldn't live in Siberia because Yana and related populations lived there.
In fact, even Salkhit from Mongolia is a mix of both carrying most of its ancestry from Tianyuan-like source and 1/4 from Yana (and this sample is dated to 34,000 years ago).

>>17775886
>A later “second layer” shared strong cranial affinities with Siberians, implying a Northeast Asian source, evidenced by 9kya in central China and then followed by expansions of descendant groups into Southeast Asia after 4kya.
Lol, meme study. It's not based on DNA. The second layer is not from Northeast Asia because that was the ANE/ANS turf. The second layer most likely developed somewhere in China from the first layer.
>affinities with Siberians
No shit. Siberia was colonized from the South. The Amur Late Paleolithic ancestry largely replaced the old Tianyuan ancestry.
>>17776237
This is a much more plausible scenario.

>>17776738
It seems Siberia is too big for your brain. Even some Neanderthal in France were isolated from the other Neanderthal for like 30k(?) years.
>Oase is from Europe
This is what Finns say, they're K2a Cro-Magnons and you Dalits say K2b is Papuan.
>Haplogroups identified in Cro-Magnons are the patrilineal (from father to son) Y-DNA haplogroups the earliest C1, the latest IJ, and K2a.
>>17776748
>Lol, meme study.
Do a better study then, you're the cuck obsessed with being replaced. Look up where Afontova Gora is, it's not in Northeast Asia.

>>17776310
>Do you think Ust'-Ishim and Oase got to Siberia and Romania from Papua?
Northern IUP is different from the main EEC wave that populated Asia.

>Wrong. Y-DNA C/D is the oldest in Eurasia. They got replaced by Y-DNA K.
No proof the main EEC wave did not have K2. Look at the TRMCA of D1, C and K2 they clearly aren't 65-50kya. EEC may even have H, as seen in Xingyi_EN.

>Southeast Asians didn't exist until 4000 years ago.
How is this relevant to the formation of AEA who postdate Tianyuan? >>17776237

>>17776840
>Do a better study then
Learn to read see >>17776257 current models have a singular southern route, the alternative model >>17774884 postulates IUP geneflow to Tianyuan.

>>17772360
Are they testing that p value to the 1e-27 level of confidence or am i tripping niggas? i also don't know what critical value we lookin for on the chi sq.