Thread 17774977

For someone who is getting started in Marxism, what would you consider the essential materials?

>>17774977 (OP)
https://jamesbuilderofthings.substack.com/p/the-spiral-and-the-structure

>>17774977 (OP)
indeed.com

A toilet bowl

>>17774985
Lmao

Serious answers please I want actual things to read.

>>17775006
Open a bible

>>17774977 (OP)
critical thinking skills

>>17774977 (OP)
Economic Manuscripts 1844
The German Ideology
Poverty of Philosophy
The Grundrisse
On the Jewish Question
Principles of Communism
Communist Manifesto
Then Capital all volumes

Also maybe brush up on some Hume, Smith, Ricardo and Hegel. You should also read the Bible as Engels said all that is needed to start a revolution is the Four Gospels and Revelation.

>>17775001
>Friedman
Out of anyone why would you pick that schmuck?

>>17774977 (OP)
Basic Economics

>>17774977 (OP)
Wage Labour and Capital, The German Ideology (chapter 1), and Critique of the Gotha Program are the big introductory works.
Reading On the Jewish Question might be nice too, given all the /pol/ seethe on this board

>>17774977 (OP)
>essential?
just give all your money to the rich,duh.

>>17775038
>>17775065
Thanks for the real suggestions, fellas.

>>17774977 (OP)
Start with the Bible.

>>17774977 (OP)
>what would you consider the essential materials?

Double dong dildo. Communism on one end, capitalism on the other. If you can come up with a third option let me know please.

Inb4 muh anarchism. Shoot yourself in the face, save us the trouble. But we can barter and shiet! lol that will just turn into one or the other eventually dumbass

>>17775038
>Engels said all that is needed to start a revolution is the Four Gospels and Revelation.

Can I get some sauce with that?

start by understanding it's an outdated waste of time, we're already post-industrial in the first world and becoming more so

>>17775278
>we're already post-industrial

nah we just outsourced it. We're still very much dependant on it. We anet past shit, just playing the hidden shell game. If anything were moving post information with all the lies and propaganda

I would suggest Atlas Shrugged.

>>17774977 (OP)
a cyanide pill

>>17775563
>to truly understand marxism, you should read this retarded fiction book

>>17774977 (OP)
A noose so you can kys

>>17775785
>To understand political theory you must only read the works that agree with it.
Truly another communist gem of an argument.

>>17775006
Why we should answer seriously? Marxism is a obsolete pseudoconomic messianc school that failed everywhere it tried to apply it's supposed "scientific" theories

>>17774977 (OP)
Research the historically socialist movements of your country. Also
>Before reading
Read Smith and Hegel
>After reading the basic works of Marxist-Leninism
Read Sorel, Spangler, Junger and Paetel. Sorel and to a much lesser extent Spangler are rudimentary for explaining the modern world while holding up dialectical-materialism as the basis of ideology. I'd also suggest later reading the doctrine of Fascism if you haven't already and some of Giovanni Gentile's writings on Marx

>>17774977 (OP)
this is a good start

I thought this was a board for history & philosophy, a lot of you guys are mentally retarded.

>>17774977 (OP)
Real shit, read "On Authority" and "The Magyar Question" (also known sometimes as "The Hungarian Question" or "The Hungarian situation" ect)

The average western self styled marxist is completley ignorant to what it actually means. For all their posturing, they are usually just liberals who want a more robust welfare state and/or people completely engrossed in anti-white racial agitation (Frankfurt School runoff)

But these two works, both written by Engels, illustrate the true brute and authoritarian nature of Marxism. Their world view is one in which the world is gripped by a sinister cabal of capitalist which enslave the entire world in this sort of matrix. And the ONLY way out is through violent revolution. You basically need to form terrorist groups and start bombing and shooting and killing people and take power by force. And then, you hold onto that power through authoritarian measures and brutalize people into compliance because you know better than them.

I think people take for granted that this ideology was born out of two Prussian dickheads.

>>17775961
I sometimes wonder how things might be different if these people were more aligned on Bismarckian Social Democracy as opposed to the current gay brown obsession variant.

>>17775961
Make sure you actually read these works though. "On authority" really more points out how the ideology of anti-authoritarianism doesn't match material reality, and that movements created from that ideal (like anarchism) lack the material basis to have any real effect.
Your understanding of the marxist conception of authority is incorrect as a result. Marxists call for working-class authority over means of production and capitalists, instead of the capitalist authority over means of production and the working class.
>>17775843
fucking lmao

>>17776001
What's your general assessment of Marxism?

>>17776001
No, Marxism is about using force to take over the state. And then using the state to create a socialist economy and holding onto the state through the use of authoritarian methods. This isnt hidden in coded language or anything either, its all very bluntly stated.

You are either ignorant of what marxism is or you are behind deceptive and lying in order to trick normies into thinking that its not that bad.