Thread 17775534

Honest thoughts on the Spain and the Spanish Empire?

As a native spaniard I have no strong opinion.

far north africa

>>17775546
But Spain is in continental Europe

>>17775557
>Ceuta, Melilla, Canary islands, Chafarinas ....

The regular spanish person is pretty fun to be around, but the country and it's history has been a tug of war between 2 flavours of mysticism that has not done it any favours.

>>17775573
>France own Guyana and the UK owns the Falklands, that means they're not actually European but rather South American

>>17775573
Offshore territories

>>17775534 (OP)
Which empire? The american or the Celtic one?

>>17775534 (OP)
Bueno

Why do they refuse to take back Gibraltar?

i hope every single spanish person gets scaphism torture and every single time they die to it they start over again in an endless loop of eternal torture

>>17775534 (OP)
>Spain
They completely wasted their potential.
>best climate in Europe
>best geopolitical location in Europe
>discovered and entire new continent
Didn't use literally any of it for their advantage.

They had everything to become a legit European first-league power, but an incopetent and shortsighted elites, who understood jack shit about economics led them into useless European wars, chronic price-inflation and a lack of industrialization.

Perhaps if they had never been conquered by the Arabs/Moors, they would organically educate actual political elites who knew a bit of governing a country into prosperity.

>>17775534 (OP)
>>17777012
Now, part 2:
>Spanish Empire
It had the chances of being as successful as the US.

What had to be done was an implementation of an actual racial policy. No intermarriage with the Amerindians (who should be isolated, either in camps, or sent to Africa for good).

Also, no fucking African slavery.

Then it should work itself out. Unless they go the socialist route - then it can't be helped.

As a trivia - here you have a list of who brought the most African slaves into the Americans - might be surprising to most people.

>>17775534 (OP)
You squandered a lot of good things you had going for yourself.
You created some of the most savage nations of drones.
And for some reason, you place your nations impact, history, and culture to the same plane as Italy or Greece. When people challenge it, you resort to race baiting and DNA tests about muh we wuz Romans (shit that no one cares about).
I don't like you.

I only like the literature, the aesthetic and the scholastic theology, well, I just like and count the Habsbourg period, the Bourbon part is quite shitty and pathetic.

>>17777028
It's not our fault if italians and gayreeks are syrian mongrels who don't look like their ancestors

>>17777012
>>17777023
>best climate in Europe
Your first claim is already a lie. Tremendous job

>>17776923
They just did some weeks agos. The UK cucked big time

>>17775557
Africa begins at the Pyrenees

>>17777012
>>17777336
yeah, la siesta isn't a meme
all summer long you can't really leave the fucking house in the afternoon
I have no idea how people managed back then, with things to do, and battles to fight
maybe that's how the muslims beat them so easily
took the visigoths a few centuries to acclimate, I guess

>>17777380
North of it to be precise.

>>17777382
way up north

>>17777332
> muh genes.... muh race..
eat steel, iberijeet

>>17775534 (OP)
El imperio donde nunca se pone el sol.
The empire on which the sun never sets.

>>17777336
name a euro country with better climate

>>17777421
Finland

>>17777393
Seething!

>>17775534 (OP)
catholic gypsies

>>17775534 (OP)
The King of Spain is the rightful heir to the Kingdom of Jerusalem and one of the strongest claimants for HRE emperor
This stuff is in the books for reasons

>>17777023
>What had to be done was an implementation of an actual racial policy
Your great idea is for the Spanish Empire to disolve earlier?

>>17777525
/thread

>>17775534 (OP)
I have been relearning Spanish after leaving high-school mostly fluent so I have an easier time learning other romance languages. That might be a meme but I want to start speaking more languages anyway and so its easiest to start with one I already know a fair bit of. Spain itself feels empty in a strange way. I could tell when I went to visit Barcelona and Madrid and various other historical landmarks that at one point this was a nerve center for European culture, but now its just kind of dead feeling. It's like they got out paced by the English and French a few hundred years ago and just never recovered. Which is literally what happened, but I guess I just never felt so acutely the consequences of history in a modern society.

>>17777336
>>17777381
I think the lack of winter is more benefitial than having to cover your head in the summer.

They used all that plundered gold to fight the ottomans so the spanish empire weren't a 100% net negative to humanity

As a southwestern Native American I don't care for their history and failed empire. The anglos knocking them off their high horse, finessing the land and forcing them into the ghetto with the Mexicans they created was pretty funny.

Greatest end of history nation in Europe.

>incredible and inspiring origins of squabbling brothers eventually producing great kingdoms which conquered a much larger adversary
>unification of kingdoms and founding of spain seen as a watershed moment in not only european history, but world history
>impressive military history, beautiful cultural history, fascinating political history
>major player in the discovery and exploration of the new world
>an entire continent bent to its will
>numerous ancient civilisations shattered by their troops (or diseases, kek)
>endless tales of heroism, adventure, discovery
>seen as a behemoth of power and opulence
>defined the first couple of centuries of the early modern period
>started to stumble as modernity arrived
>a slow acting rot set in
>what was once groundbreaking and opulent is now dated, cumbersome
>failed to adapt as other nations roared ahead
>first serious tangle with new modern nations ends in a humiliating defeat and extremely rapid collapse of almost everything
>groans from decade to decade
>torn about from the inside, splintering on the outside
>clumsily lands in contemporary times with its victorious past all but a memory, only kept alive by the thin veil of monarchy

>>17775534 (OP)
Miss me yet?

>>17775534 (OP)
they are gay

People don´t realize how massive the adventures of Conquest were during the Spanish Empire. All of this done in wooden ships.

This can only be achieved by the descendants of Atlantis which it is in Spain.

Spain: Faustian spirit.

Spain changed the world forever. 1492 is the end of Medieval Age to Modern Age.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbian_exchange

It should be named as Spanish Exchange since columbus was already dead.

>>17778324
el destape was peak tradcath

If I was born in Spain but my dad is romanian and my mom portuguese could I consider myself spanish? I was born and raised there so idk

>>17778420
no since your dad isn't iberian, but your still better than most foreigners

>>17778420
honorary, but you must eat bravas, callos, and calamares a la andaluza on a regular basis to compensate

The political face of Jesuitic empire

>>17775534 (OP)
Not great not terrible

>>17777332
>>17777028
Stop samefagging nafri moor

>>17775534 (OP)
I hate my country and I hate its empire, now we have to suffer the "panchitos" and the andaluces (christian moors).

>>17775534 (OP)
They discovered the americas, had copius amount of sex with indigenous women then got himuliated by United Statesians. That is all I remember.

>>17775534 (OP)
>Spain

Honorary Third World country until Francisco Franco came along and dragged it into the 20th Century. Seriously, literacy Spain in 1860 was ~20% (only marginally better than Italy) when it was already near-universal in the United States, Germany, the Netherlands, and the United Kingdom.

>Spanish Empire

Set the standard for retarded theocratic despotism from the 15th Century until the Wars of Spanish Succession and the Dutch Revolt knocked it down a peg. Napoleon's rampage across Iberia was pretty much the deathblow, with the 1898 war with the United States being the final nail in its coffin.

>>17775534 (OP)
>Spain

Honorary Third World country until Francisco Franco came along and dragged it into the 20th Century. Seriously, literacy Spain in 1860 was ~20% (only marginally better than pre-Unification Italy) when it was already near-universal in the United States, the German states, the Netherlands, and the United Kingdom.

>Spanish Empire

Set the standard for retarded theocratic despotism from the 15th Century until the Wars of Spanish Succession and the Dutch Revolt knocked it down a peg. Napoleon's rampage across Iberia was pretty much the deathblow, with the 1898 war with the United States being the final nail in its coffin.

>>17777421
France

>>17778989
Spanish bvll Hadrian killed 500K of you, btw.

>>17775534 (OP)
Spain currently excells at fruits, vegetables,team sports and tourism.
Sadly, nothing else. Or at least I'm not aware of it.

>>17775534 (OP)
It never really happened. Fake history to fill in phantom time.

>>17775534 (OP)
>great art and architecture
>great literature
>great food
>first major global empire
They are cool

>>17775546
>>17775573
Spain is a TRANScontinental country, you bigot.

>>17778349
the americas didn't have rats before euros brought them there?

>>17775534 (OP)
Kino

>>17780733
Yes, but not of the same kind.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_World_rats_and_mice

>>17775534 (OP)
It was an empire dominated by Genoese capital, justified by the pope, expanded by Castilian power, unified by Aragonese realpolitik, and politically led by Austrians.
That´s why it sucked after Habsbourgs left. The Bourbons lacked papal approval, Genoese money, or Aragonese political culture.

Venetians and Florentines imitated the Gonese with France and England. The Medici empire in France failed in global power terms. And the Venetian one in England quite surprassed the Spanish.

>>17777550
VGH my emperor.....

>>17781260
Wrong on every single account. The empire was powered by IBERIAN BVLLS.

The spanish empire has the funniest and most bombastic donwfall that i have ever read.

depressing. I weep for Iberia
>>17782434
for me it was the time that an italian prince (during the time of political chaos in italy) went to rule over spain then gave up and left after a decade, saying 'These people cannot be governed'

>>17775573
So Turkey is European?

>>17775534 (OP)
Pre-modern European history was shaped by a handful of "noble" families - they spoken with different languages but talking of them as of "Spain", "Italy" or whatever is misrepresenting it. Spaniards or Italians in general had fuck all to do with it.
Spanish "nobles" were roughly just as retarded and genocidal as any other "nobles". Psychopathy comes with the title.

>>17778900
I'm from muttistan. People here don't even know what Spanish high culture looks like. Everyone assumes you're just Mexicans without native DNA.

>>17781260
>politically led by Austrians
Austrians had fuck all to do with Spain retard.
Calling the Habsburg austrian is illiteracy

>>17782707
>I'm from muttistan. People here don't even know what high culture looks like
ftfy

>>17782746
There is a high culture here from the English. It is lame, I don't find it interesting.
Everything related to Iberian languages here is gutter dirt. It's working class and tacky.
No one here can name a traditional Spanish dish. People assume you eat tacos and celebrate day of the dead over there.

>>17782766
Good. Don't come here. Stay where you are.

>>17775534 (OP)
They made Mestizos of South America
Portugal made Brazil and Pardos
Britain gave us America and Mulatos
Catholics gave us niggers as a whole
Britain failed taking over Africa
Britain failed taking over India
Yamnaya failed wiping out Dravidians
Yamnaya somewhat successful homogenized Europe by breeding farmer women and that turned out fine is most places, other than that only Europe was successful, everywhere else has been a disaster, the entire planet could be 90% European by now.

>>17783334
>Britain failed taking over India
Huh? But they actually took over all of India and even a bit more.

>>17781260
>That´s why it sucked after Habsbourgs left.
The Habsburgs also sucked ass even if less than the Bourbons. The true Spanish dynasty was the Trasmataras.