Why is the 17th century so underrepresented in popular media, despite being one of the most "things happening" century of all?

>>17780206 (OP)
Very difficult to understand.
Try explaining why the Thirty Years' War happened

>>17780214
The geo-political-religious minutia of the entire 30 years war don't need to be understood to create a story that uses the event as background.

>>17780206 (OP)
Shitty aesthetics.
Too alien and familiar at once.
Not alien enough like the middle ages, but all the countries are a bit too askew to be immediately relatable like later on.

>>17780363
>Shitty aesthetics.
Get out

>>17780370
This aint it, chief.

>>17780214
You're not worshiping Jesus correctly so now millions of Whites have to die.

>>17780206 (OP)
Too early for American history. You had the formation of Jamestown and Plymouth and then nothing of note other than the Pocahontas stuff and the first thanksgiving happen until like the french indian war

>>17780206 (OP)
Were the multiple Three Musketeers adaptations not enough?

>>17780667
But all the interesting things in the Americas happened before the 18th, and especially before the 16th century?

>>17780667
>>and then nothing of note other than the Pocahontas stuff
>what is the Glorious Revolution
>what is Queen Anne's War
>what is Jenkin's Ear
>what is King George's War
Nigger are you fucking retarded or what

>>17780716
all the interesting things that happened happened from the french indian war on
>>17780786
no one gives a shit about any of that. the only reason I've ever heard about any of that was because one of the patriots day patriots was a vet of king george's war, homo

>17780860
>get proved wrong
>NNNNNOOOOOOOOO nobody cares about that because... because they just don't okay!?!?
Here's your (you)

>>17780869
I didn't get proven wrong. you are just seething because no one cares about bong history

>>17780667
Also note that american establishment doesn't like tying itself to pre-revolutionary america because people may start asking why are Ellis islanders still here, they were meant to work a few years and go back. Can't have that.

>>17780873
>bong history
Which is american history you dysgenic, inbred mutt

>>17780874
>they were meant to work a few years and go back
Negative IQ hands typed this

>>17780880
It's bong history you gay retard. American history doesn't begin until we get pissed off at the bongs over the french injin war shit.

>>17780881
You need to be 18+ to post here kiddo

>>17780885
American history books do colombus, jamestown, plymouth, maybe your state's specific founding and then jumps straight to the french indian war because that's when the list of grievances started, homo

>>17780206 (OP)
>ywn get to see Marlborough's campaign of BTFO'ing Louis across the continent or Blenheim in some bastardized film by Ridley Scott because he's too busy making Napoleon look like a whiny cuck
I don't even give a shit about the historical accuracy, just give me the CGI version of a peak late 17th century coalition army duking it out in southern Germany

>>17780900
>if it wasn't covered in my high-schools required American propaganda mythos reading it wasn't relevent fag
What a fucking NPC take. What are you even arguing in favor of here, faggot? That being a retard is what makes amurrica great?
>amerisharts don't even know who planted the tree of democracy that they claim to worship
Amerishit education is truly nothing but propagandized slop to sell shit with the flag on it
t. born and raised ameritard

>>17780915
you are obviously from some third world country like bongistan and you are trying to claim you are American even when you aren't. if you are American, post gunz

>>17780874
>because people may start asking why are Ellis islanders still here,
"Ellis Islanders" aren't a thing anymore, retard, everyone is intermarried enough at this point that it's become irrelevant. Your average WASPy kid going to Harvard these days is going to date and knock up some Italian American girl from Brooklyn or a Jewish chick in his class

>>17780918
>some third world country like bongistan
Bruh, the US is literally Dubai-tier when it comes to being a third world shithole masquerading as civilized. We just have barely enough "history" to propagandize the populace into believing their heckin' based champions of freedom

>>17780924
The US is the only first world nation, now post guns or stop lying about being American

>>17780924
Self hating Americans are vile. Maybe you can feel that way if you're from a shit state like fucking Arizona, but New England chads are proper educated folk and proud of our region and background

>>17780945
>self hating
Wrong. I just hate the common filth I have to share it with who think crocs and guns are the peak of civilization
>New Englad chads
CNYfag reporting in. Save for letting the Kennedy clan rise to power, the Northeast is the only thing that has kept this country from being a second Haiti thanks to south/midwest niggers

>>17780958
>anti gun
stop larping as an American you bong homo

>>17780375
Sadly this is what most people actually believe about the war. There’s no excuse for it anymore, now that information is easy to obtain. Even reading the Wikipedia article would be enough to disabuse oneself of that sort of misunderstanding, but people these days can’t even be bothered to do that. They just keep repeating the same myths they learned through cultural osmosis. And they in turn will pass on the myths to next generation, who will pass it in to the next, and so on, the truth becoming more and more distorted each time. Well did Horace say:
What has not cankering Time made worse?
Viler than grandsires, sires beget
Ourselves, yet baser, soon to curse
The world with offspring baser yet.

>>17780667
We're not talking about American ''''history''''' fuck face. You barely have any.

>>17781283
no one cares about third worlder history, faggot

>>17781292
How do Americans cope with the fact their 'history' consists of jews not wanting to pay tax to the crown and sending inbred poors to fight for them, then half the country thought it was a human right to be able to enslave people and got their ass kicked for it.

If you were first world you would have the same basic shit as other first world countries such as 30 paid days off per year, maternity leave etc etc but you don't because you are literal cattle. You guys literally pay $1000 for an ambulance, if you're poor you're expected to just die. You are not a first world country.

>>17781299
the US is the only first world country. taxes are gay. I look forward to you dying in the next war when we refuse to honor article 5, faggot

>>17781302
If your mother didn't get to take the whole year off when she was pregnant and still get paid then you aren't first world. There are African countries with better workers rights than America

>>17781307
the US is the only first world country. last time the olympics were in yurop the athletes had to swim in actual human shit

>>17780214
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>>17781338
Don't even go there mutt, the river in Baltimore caught fire 13 TIMES because it was so polluted.

>>17781508
baltimore isn't in the US. American GIs fucked your grandma

>>17780667
There’s been some Salem witch trial stuff but I’d really love to see a King Phillip’s War epic film or miniseries. The plains Indian wars were minor mop-up skirmishes in comparison but that’s the meme we’re stuck with when the average person thinks Indian war. King Phillip’s War was insanely violent and one of the last times the natives really had a chance to btfo whitey.

>>17780206 (OP)
you get the medieval superstition but without the cool castles, cathedrals, and comfy outfits

you get classical philosophy and art renewal, but without the romanticism

add to that, the outfits are just trash

>>17781753
also aesthetics-wise, the early 17th century feels somewhat like the 16th century, and the later 17th century feels like the early 18th century

>>17781753
>cool castles
Star forts aren't cool
>cathedrals
Those didn't disappear, actually
>comfy outfits
Still the norm for the bottom 95%

>>17781302
>I look forward to being a coward Jew who backstabs others and doesn't honor my commitments
Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you: American honor lmao

>>17782058
maybe don't be a pussy ass bitch who fails to meet their nato funding goals while trying to hide behind our skirt as you insult us and try to rob us

>>17780372
1621 /fa/ as fuck

>>17780667
You can make a million things about the conquistador explorations of north america alone

>>17781753
>you get the medieval superstition
In addition to Native American mythology, tribe dynamics, and art of warfare that the colonists adapted almost immediately in the frontier regions while British generals like Gage adapt pieces of it to fit into formal infantry formations
>no castles
In exchange for more numerous forts and cities. New Amsterdam also literally had "the wall" stretching across the penninsula that becams Wall Street
>no cathedrals
In exchange for state buildings that emulated them in grandiose design
>no comfy outfits
That's just straight bullshit. See >>17780372
>but without the romanticism
Lol, lmao even. They were romanticizing the fuck out of the Romans you halfwit. Why do you think flourishing speeches about basic-ass laws became the norm? They were trying to emulate the Roman oratory and state-building of Solon and co.
>add to that, the outfits are just trash
You're telling me picrel is trash?

>>17780206 (OP)
>Why is the 17th century so underrepresented in popular media
The main reason is because popular media is mostly funded and produced today by those who identify with Judaism. The only time they tend to do period pieces now it is to "blackwash" them by inserting 25-50% black people into everything and strip out all real reference to the principles of Christianity and to the Bible, etc., and this is more difficult to do for most events of that time period.

>>17780206 (OP)
The powers involved are not part of popular culture yet. Could be someday, I suppose.

>>17782252
no one cares about mexico

>>17782825
not talking about mexico retard

>>17781237
So tell me.
Who did worship Jesus properly? Catholics or Protestants? And who would burn in Hell forever.

>>17780214
Catholic spergout

>>17780206 (OP)
I dispute OP's claim. It's big in America. Pocahontas! Pilgrims!
Admittedly, the latter half isn't covered enough, I think 1688-92 in British America is a fascinating overlooked story.

>>17782894
conquistadors are mexicans, retardo

>>17780206 (OP)
Because it has very little pop cultural presence and the sets would be very expensive.
Can't really pretend everyone wore brown leathers all the time by the 17th century.

>>17780372
Those puffy legs with thin arms are abominable, but everything from 1621 onward is decent to great.

>>17783052
But after the stuff you mention, pop culture speedruns through a century and a half of colonial American history. Salem witch trials, Last of the Mohicans, then 1776 and not even much of that aside from The Patriot. The era is too nuanced and unknown for Ameritards. I could make a woke elevator pitch—King Phillip as noble embattled native leader with a stronk female sachem as his ally, evil white colonists except for the one cool white guy who understands their ways—and nobody’s buying. Besides, period dramas are expensive with all the sets, costumes and animal wranglers—just make more CGI capeshit with a guaranteed audience.

>>17783313
no one cares what you yurohomos think

>>17780214
ferdinand 2 wanted to strengthened imperial autority and cohesion of hre, also to put an end of the heretic protestant movement

>>17780667
Colonial America is one of the most interesting sagas in American history. Read a book for once

>>17780206 (OP)
Most people couldn't name an even that happened before 1800.

>>17780206 (OP)
its my favorite period of history and even the local college I'm going to this fall completely skips it for unknown reasons. its a shame.

>>17780924
what a dubious post to make. I get the current world situation is fucked but this mentality is suicidal.

>>17780945
they are completely indeed. I use to humor wignat-adjacent beliefs until I realized how vile some of them are across the Atlantic. its a road to nihilism honestly.

>>17784032
nah, nothing happened until the french indian war, homo
>>17784260
what are you talking about? bongs and democrats are homos

>>17780206 (OP)
The existence of the 17th century and the historical phenomena which lead to it undermine quite a few modern academic narratives about Europe and European people. Europe was ascendant and survived multiple civilization ending crises while expanding as opposed to receding, all the while getting the technological edge on the rest of the world despite being economically disadvantaged and cut off from most of the global east by Muslim empires. The fact that Europe didn't explode after famine, religious revolt, class warfare, and a devastating mini ice-age (all served pretty much consecutively) speaks to the strength of their institutions and really the will of their people. The extremity of these crises also serves to justify why Europe became much harsher than it had been previously, and in the mind of academia that's apologia for the evil white man.

>>17780206 (OP)
1: What >>17780214 said
2: Harder to push a diversity line or have an elite force of all female badass boss bitches
3: Films are still made for an American market first and foremost, even with the larger interest in the non-American audience - and most Americans don't know shit about European history outside of a few memes (if that) and really don't care.

>>17780908
Would be interesting to see Marlborough and Prince Eugene working together.

>>17780206 (OP)
All history outside of
>WW2
>Late Roman Republic
>18th century UK
Are all 'underrepresented' in popular media. Because hardly anybody gives a shit. It'd be like me complaining about why nobody cares about Akkadian history in popular media, there is an easy answer, nobody cares. Personally? I just think the 17th century is boring as hell, as well as all history past the 15tth century. It's the bureaucrats perfect ideal of history, boring monotony and infinite paperwork.

>>17780206 (OP)
Popular media is really hard to get right.
First of all you need a story that can focus on a single main character or set of characters.
Second that story needs to be communicated in a book or some other narrative form.
Third that story needs to be in English, or must translated into English.
Fourth the story needs to resonate with filmmakers in either Hollywood or Silicon Valley in order to be picked up by popular media.

A lot of history just can't make all those cuts.
A great deal of history from the 17th Century is going to be in languages other than English. So you would need translation services and a certain number of people flowing between counties speaking multiple languages in order to really understand the time period and culture. If it's a main language like German, French or Spanish, sure maybe it's not that much of an issue. But if it's something less spoken like Japanese or Russian, then that's a real bottleneck. Even with something as recent as WWII the communication between Americans and Japanese over events is still an ongoing process.

>>17780214
It's pretty much this. Most Happenings that are popular in media either have a clear trigger, or are simply just big empire wants to invade because resources.

>>17782482
baroque isn't as mysterious as gothic
medieval grandness is a "less is more" case

17th century outfits look like flashy fat onions
they don't look as /fa/ as roman togas, regency tailcoats, or victorian frock coats
the wigs and justicorps are more fitted in the 18th century

the baroque romanticize the romans yes, but they didn't offer much romanticism of themselves

>>17782027
>star forts
are the coolest thing
>bottom 95%
nobody cares about the bottom 95

>>17780372
If I didn't know better I would describe this fashion as decadent. It is a very gender-bending look.

>>17781237
Instead of waxing retarded you could have explained it. But you didn’t.

Piratekino exists.

>>17786639
why would he explain it? the post was about how people don't listen and aren't motivated to learn.
>>17782915
"worshipping jesus properly" == having the correct idea about morality.
We're engaged in the same arguments today only we're dumber and lazier.

Cromwell exists (and it’s kino).

>>17786656
Now im definitely not motivated to learn. I’ll keep spreading misinfo about it though.

>>17786693
thinkin you just wanna argue about something bub
yer rustled

>>17780943
>>17780945
US will be remembered as a truly remarkable society due to its complete lack of cultural achievements despite global Hegemony. I can't think of a single American philosopher past 1930 whose writings should be preserved.

>>17781292
African and Mesoamerican history are unironically more interesting than US history.

>>17786950
the US has complete cultural domination over your third world country. you are seething about us on an American website on the American internet in the American language
>>17786956
lol no.