Thread 17780503

Living in the West, you're taught from first breath that Adolf Hitler, fascism, racism, nationalism are all the greatest EVILs and that our society is the peak of morality and humanism. But all I see if mass foreign invasion, societal disorder, decadency, and nihilism. When the "Evil" would've protected our borders and children, would've provided us a hope for the future, wouldn't tolerate hate speech against us, would allow us to provide for our families, it's impossible for me not to agree with that. If Hitler was the "greatest evil the world has ever seen," and all those noble men who fought for him were too, then I am a proud evildoer.
I embrace Evil, and wholeheartedly condemn "Good" and all the loss, sadness, humiliation, lies, and chaos it brings.

>>17780503 (OP)
you have to be 18 or older to use this website

>>17780503 (OP)
Regular reminder that Europe was a 99% white ethnostate and the average European would be considered a far right racist chud by modern standards. The war is what changed that forever.

>>17780555
Only in the countryside. Slavs and Jews were taking over most cities. Same story today except it's Pakis as well now

>>17780503 (OP)
What's the difference between a mass foreign invasion and forcing all Europeans to speak German?

>>17780588
Without contributing or detracting from the topic of OP's thread, that is just a false dichotomy. The German language was never forced on all the nations the Germans occupied. It would have been more prudent to maybe say something like: 'What's the difference between foreigners from the Third World replacing and/or dominating our societies and living under a German hegemony where Germans dominate our society?' Although I'm sure, there are arguments to be made on that point as well.

>>17780586
Which European cities were majority slav and Jew prior to September 1939?

>>17780555
So what you are saying is that fascism ruined the white western world and turned it to what it is now?
Mission accomplished, Hitler.

>>17780619
Polish ones.

>>17780625
Which ones?

>>17780627
A lot, really. Jews generally lived in the cities. In Warsaw 30% citizens were Jews. There were also cities where more than 50% citizens were Jews, like Bialystok.

>>17780619
In the 1920s, Berlin had about a million foreigners in a population of 4 million

>>17780633
>Please care about Poland
>>17780634
Slav and Jew foreigners?

>>17780643
Mostly Russians, but also a significant amount of Jews and Africans. Needless to say it was the left wing hub of Germany

>>17780647
>significant
Give me numbers.

>>17780503 (OP)
>When the "Evil" would've protected our borders and children
They failed.
>would've provided us a hope for the future
They failed.
>wouldn't tolerate hate speech against us
They failed´.
>would allow us to provide for our families
They failed.
You're not evil.
You're a LOSER.

>>17780634
Fucking bullshit.
And the answer isnt to murder them all.

The anon is right. Europe was /pol/ pre-ww2, even the allied countries. USA had sterliziation laws based on eugenics and racial segregation, British dominions had race laws, a quarter of Europeans states had semi-fascist regimes (Greece, Portugal, Spain, Italy etc).
Sweden had a racial hygene institution. Jews were persecuted in various pogroms in Eastern Europe. Poland itself was vehemently anti-semitic in the 1930s and led by a quasi-fascist junta.

Hitler simply took something that already existed and brought it to the extreme which led to 40-million deaths especially in Eastern Europe. It stacked on the pile that nationalism and militarism was a major reason for WW1, so he is absolutely responsible for the fact that nationalism, racial hygene, and conservative values in general are frowned upon. If it wasnt for Hitler, then cultural marxism would have met with far more pushback from the general population, even if we accept the jew-world-order meme.
Remove Hitler, and you also dont have the communists taking half of the continent. Hitler invited them in, first with the Ribbentrop pact and then with Barbarossa, those were the two key-events that created the conditions for the USSR to take half of the continent, and it would never have happened if the status-quo had remained. Germany and Mussolinis Italy would have remained too, we know that because Fascist Spain could remain after the war.

Hitler being some champion of the white race to stop immigration is a bullshit lie as well, created by neo-nazies and their opponents. He did not care about white people he cared about Germans, it was white people he was murdering.

>>17780503 (OP)
nazis winning would not have changed any of the factors driving mass immigration and the societal problems you see emerging in the late 20th century
and yes those are problems, but its dumb, and easy, to just look at the nazis and buy into their propaganda 80 years later

>>17780802
this, and we'd be sitting here right now bitching about how the evil allies (thats how history works) should've won and how much better things would be

>>17780503 (OP)
>skewered perception
op, are you retarded? it's ok if you are, but just say it so I don't waste my time

>>17780536
There absolutely is good and evil

>>17780625
Polish cities had Slavs? Are you sure?
fucking mongoloid inbred

>>17780802
Even the most nationalistic and racial aware asian countries has accepted that they need to import immigrants from poor SEA nations.
It's a fact; once the country reach a certain level of living standard, people stop having children, and there is no successful way to reverse it.
Meanwhile politicians simply look at the numbers and wants to avoid a budget deficit; immigration becomes the solution. Historically immigration has always been the solution, but immigration went largely unoticeable because it came from neighbouring states to fill the city workforce in Europe.

90% of the anons here are part of the problem. You wont have kids.

>>17780826
When /pol/ sends their debators to /his/, they're not sending their best.

>>17780833
Are you saying the demographics of immigrants/diaspora in the west post WW2 makes perfect sense?

>>17780842
In a way yes, it was motivation by a demographic shortage when the combination of economic growth and declining birthrates met.
Countries stood at the crossroad of choosing between economic hardship and social implosion by rejecting to fill the gaps, or ideological sacrifice to embrace a deficit in order to preserve the homogenous society.
They chose the economy, because racial and nationalistic views are shunned upon by the west, largely due to the fact that Hitlers fuckery was weaponized by cultural marxists.

>>17780842
Now ask yourself; How many children have you fathered, and if none, then you are part of the problem.

>>17780503 (OP)
You can be anti-immigration and still think that it's not a good thing when an authoritarian state starts invading its neighbors.

>>17780960
These morons think that everyone who doesnt suck Hitlers dick must by default be a reddit leftist.

>>17780536
She's a liberal capitalist, so that's unironically what she believes.

>>17780960
Britain and France declared war on Germany and Poland bombed German radio stations and railways.

>>17780960
most zoomers incapable of nuance, they're brains are so fucked and lacking logic after a lifetime of social media poisoning

>>17781021
>Britain and France declared war on Germany
Why?
>Poland bombed German radio stations and railways.
What events are you referring to here and how do they justify the invasion other nations?

>>17780503 (OP)
>I dont like mass migration and open boarders
>This means that Hitler dindu nuffin and I was LIED TO!
It amazes me that this is like 90% of neo-nazis/nazi apologist/holocaust deniers. Literally the most incoherent and retarded logic imaginable.

>>17781021
Germany invaded Poland, thats what started the war. They also violated the German-Polish non aggression pact by doing so.

>>17781049
but it's ok when the russians did it

>>17781049
Other way around- Poles were destroying German infrastructure in order to incite incidents. The Poles had assurances from Britain and France so they thought they would get away with it and not take any repercussions.

>>17781049
Germany voided the Polish-German non aggression pact right before the war

>>17781122
Says who?

>>17781124
>Other way around- Poles were destroying German infrastructure in order to incite incidents.
What events are you talking about?

>>17780503 (OP)
You're repeating the ideals of national socialism. Those ideals were definitely not reflected in the material reality, with the exception of a very small group of people that were considered the "in group". I feel like all you're consuming is propaganda, you really need to read more about how germany under national socialism actually worked for everyone. It wasn't pretty.
You also need to be careful about what you assign "good" and "evil" to. The critique of fascism is less that it is an "evil" system, and more that it is incredibly inefficient and self-destructive. The wars and violence were a consequence of its inherent contradictions. Funny enough, this is the same critique you can apply to capitalism.

>>17780737
>Hitler being some champion of the white race to stop immigration is a bullshit lie as well, created by neo-nazies and their opponents. He did not care about white people he cared about Germans, it was white people he was murdering.
Well said

>>17780737
>>17781189
Wojciech you’re not white

>>17781540
Poles are white

>>17781551
tell me another joke lmfao

>>17781152
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gleiwitz_incident

>>17781586
Did you read the first two sentences in the article you linked?
>The Gleiwitz incident (German: Überfall auf den Sender Gleiwitz; Polish: prowokacja gliwicka) was a false flag attack on the radio station Sender Gleiwitz in Gleiwitz (then Germany and now Gliwice, Poland) staged by Nazi Germany on the night of 31 August 1939. Along with some two dozen similar incidents, the attack was manufactured by Germany as a casus belli to justify the invasion of Poland.
and at the bottom of the first paragraph:
>Despite the German government using the attack as a justification to go to war with Poland, the Gleiwitz assailants were not Polish but were German SS officers wearing Polish uniforms.

Hitler should have fully cleared Poland while he still could

>>17781594
Why?

>>17781591
it wasn't staged, you were merely led to believe it was

>>17781573
Its a fact retard

>>17781600
So you just make up your own headcanon and call it a day?

>>17781599
you should know why

>>17781605
Anything that doesn't agree with my world view is a jewish plot

>>17781606
I don't
>>17781607
Yeah, I guessed as much. DESU if you're going to be like that I don't get why you would even come here to argue, but I guess it just got epik troled.

>>17780503 (OP)
I don't know if it's ironic, but posts like those really made me hate the right wing
This endless whining and crying is just too pathetic, even Gaytler had the ball(s) to actually do stuff instead of fermenting in this never-ending wallowing in self-pity and victim playing

>>17780503 (OP)
>But all I see if mass foreign invasion, societal disorder, decadency, and nihilism.

So exactly what Nazism brought upon the world

>>17781723
Radicals are usually a pretty sorry bunch. Unfortunately most well-adjusted people aren't very interested in politics because they're busy living life and as long as living standards are high there's little incentive to get involved.

>>17781723
Nazis are spiritually Jewish.
They use similar tactics and react in similar way.
The truth is that they wanted remote Jewry not to save whites but to replace them. They were Jew wannabies

>>17780833
>Historically immigration has always been the solution
What the fuck are you talking about? It has never been the solution at any point in all of human history. It has provably failed now and every other time it has happened in any appreciable amount.
>it came from neighbouring states to fill the city workforce in Europe
Urban populations were below replacement because of disease, not birthrates. And they were replaced by people from their surrounding countryside who made up 90+% of the total population and were more homogeneous and native than the urban population.

>>17781124
>DUDE FAKE SHIT LMAO

>>17781540
>Poles are not white
Ok so if you saw pic rel in Muttamerica, you wouldnt consider them white?

>>17782207
Nope. Fucking anorectic mongrels

>>17781888
Nta but he is right to a extent. Slave trade, forced relocations, colonization, attracting settlers and military men. All older than Babylon.

>>17781600
blatant lies, there are even documents about the convicts corpses they dressed up in polish uniforms
the abver, german army intelligence, agents testified to it after the war

>>17783697
The same Abwehr was dissolved in early 1944 because it was full of British spies and German resistance members

>>17783712
>full of British spies and German resistance members
ya the last german patriots fighting a cabal of lunatics dragging their country to ruin over their own egos
you people are fucking despicable
dont (you) me

Any German resistance movements were complicit in helping the Soviet rape of Europe
The British at least were trying to preserve their own empire which is a rational motivation

>>17780555
>>17780623
>uh you cant be racist because uhm we bombed Europe on behalf of jewish lobbysts o algo
Why are they like this?

>>17781591
>>17781586
>>17781152
We can see False Flags and deception occurring in real time, ALWAYS perpetrated by democratic and or jewish countries to justify a cassus belli against a more self concerned people.

Gleiwitz fits the profile of what we would expect to see from a country like Poland with many jews, being backed by the UK, a country with a robust jewish lobby.

It is on (You) to prove Gleiwitz is an exception to Occams razor. Otherwise we must go with the most parsimonious explanation.

>>17780623
Not fascism specifically. More like the events of 1910-1945 in its totality. But as a summary, yes, that's essentially true.

>>17780960
>You can be anti-immigration and still think that it's not a good thing when an authoritarian state starts invading its neighbors.
Hitler fans and antisemites are not wrong to see mass immigration as an issue but their flight towards a dead historical figure and a scapegoat in the Jews is a flight from taking responsibility to actually deal with the issue in their own situation and circumstances today. They don't want to do that though because that's scary, takes a lot of willpower but also pragmatism, thought, and strategy. This is uncomfortable and it sucks and it hurts. They can face up to that or continue living in some fantasy.

>>17784432
>It is on (You) to prove Gleiwitz

Nope
Because Gleiwitz being a false flag operation is supported by virtually every historian from every corner of the earth over the course of 80 years of relentless study.

If Gleiwitz actually was done by Poland, then there would have been evidence of such, but no records, Polish personnel, orders, or evidence have ever been found indicating Polish military or intelligence involvement. No Polish documents, radio transcripts, military reports, or postwar testimony support it.

Meanwhile you have operation Himmler and testimony from SS members who participated in the operation.

It's also a striking convenience because it happened just hours before the PLANNED German offensive.

>>17780503 (OP)
>Living in the West, you're taught from first breath that Adolf Hitler, fascism, racism, nationalism are all the greatest EVILs
When the thread starts like this, you know it's going to be some gay ass blogpost.

>>17780536
>seeking power is for the weak
Woman moment

>>17780503 (OP)
>and that our society is the peak of morality and humanism
You were taught that? I wasn't. I was taught that many social problems still exist.
> But all I see if mass foreign invasion, societal disorder, decadency, and nihilism.
"Mass foreign invasion" like armies butchering civilians and burning cities en masse, ala WW2 Germans?
I haven't seen anything like that, just migration and occasionally petty crime. All the murders by immigrants since WW2 add up to an infinitesimally small fraction of those killed in that awful war.

>>17780503 (OP)
Find a better role model, Dalit.

>>17780503 (OP)
>The allies should have just given up and let Hitler take over all of Europe because there'd be immigration 80 years in the future
This makes no sense dude. You're just an edgy 14 year old who doesn't know anything about WW2

>>17780833
Having a declining population is good for everyone accept for a small minority of rich fucks. Real Estate prices go down, environment improves, the labour of the average man is more valued causing increased wages, benefits and bargaining power.

The problem would end up fixing itself in the end, since a declining population improves the quality of life of the working class, making them now have the time and resources to raise children

>>17785045
*except

>>17785045
Yeah sure, if that declining population came from war/disease/famine. And took out everyone equally, but this time it's fertility, which has never happened before.

The problem isn't the declining population, it's the ageing population, ESPECIALLY in democracies, unless you cull all old people you have to pay for their pensions and healthcare, and if they make up 30-40+% of the population young people will have insanely high taxes imposed on them to keep the system running.

>Just stop paying for pensions/increase retirement age
Extremely unpopular with your main voting block which is gonna be old people. Why would an old man vote against his interests?

>>17784692
ESL retard

>>17785050
>unless you cull all old people
Your terms are acceptable TBD

Shitposting aside, high taxes would be temporary as the elderly population would eventually die out. What i described would still happen, just a little later. Having high taxes for a couple decades is preferable then having the cultural and racial integrity of your country permanently destroyed.

Even if you ignore that, immigration only serves as a delay, not a solution as they also grow old and their birth rates will decline eventually, you can already observe this in several immigrant communities in the west.

Cutting pensions and healthcare, raising retirement age, etc is unpopular but so is importing millions of third worlders. Younger generations would push back electorally, it's just a matter of time. In fact, they are already doing so as we speak.

>>17785064
>the elderly population would eventually die out.
The problem with low fertility is that unless there's more births your population will literally just get older and older until it goes extinct.

> immigration only serves as a delay
Not just that, if you import immigrants who have high fertility rates your country will just get replaced by them, this is literally what happened in the US.

> Younger generations would push back electorally

The problem is they can't in a democracy. Look at South Korea for example, half of everyone in Korea is over 45, considering only adults can vote that means that half of the Korean voting block is 58 or older. They will never vote for cutting healthcare or pensions or raising retirement.

>>17785051
>there is only power and those weak to seek it
>ESL
Please, enlighten me

>>17785072
>The problem with low fertility is that unless there's more births your population will literally just get older and older until it goes extinct.
If fertility stays at 0.8 indefinitely, then yes that would kill a civilization. However, that isn't set in stone it's only happening as a reaction to modern pressures. High cost of living, job insecurity, expensive housing, feminism, etc. Many of these things are exacerbated by the very solution you're selling, more immigration = increased competition for jobs and housing. Even in Japan and South Korea, the worst case scenario, things have slowed down not collapsed entirely. Not good, but manageable.

>Not just that, if you import immigrants who have high fertility rates your country will just get replaced by them, this is literally what happened in the US.

Yep, and that's awful. Again, even if you assume the third worlders are just as capable and civilized as the natives, you're just kicking the can down the road.

>The problem is they can't in a democracy. Look at South Korea for example, half of everyone in Korea is over 45, considering only adults can vote that means that half of the Korean voting block is 58 or older. They will never vote for cutting healthcare or pensions or raising retirement.

True, but the younger generation still holds all of the economic and social power. Where would that lead you, I wonder? Once the tax burdens increase and the social contract breaks down that leads to revolution and the boomers would be helpless to do anything about it. Problem solved

>>17784432
Nobody has an obligation to agree with your headcanon and conspiracy theories. The very proof you provided disagrees with you as soon as one opens the page, it's not my fault you don't even do a cursory reading of the links you provide.

>>17780503 (OP)
Hitler dindonuffin thread #88930000343

>>17780503 (OP)
so youre saying you were indoctrinated?
This is something every society does, doesnt admit to, and accuses others of.
In defence of society, most people truly dont want to think for themselves.

>>17780536
>no good and evil
>b-but we have to defeat wizard hitler because.. he’s evil!
Hahahaha

>>17780539
Imagine being 45 years old, having no children while religiously posting on /his/ yet still having the views of a 14 year old neoliberal urbanite wanting to ‘bash the fasc’. I can’t fathom how someone can make daily use of a platform without censorship yet still prescribe to the viewpoints of indoctrinated college and highschool professors unless that person is so mentally ill that alternate perspectives are too much to handle. I would actually kill myself if I were you.

>>17787014
holy poltranny clit leakage