>history board
>more than half the threads are just protestants arguing
actually that kinda tracks...

>>17780830 (OP)
anti christian threads are chinkspam

>>17780830 (OP)
I made a decent thread filter list that hides all the religionspam
Its not perfect but it consistently removes 50+ threads from the catalog
>/christianity/i
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>/yhwh/i
>/christ/i
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>>17780830 (OP)
go on /k/ it's legit 100 threads about ukraine, russia, iran or israel and there are basically zero Americans on the board, it's all yuros and if you talk shit about yuros you get banned. Like there is a legit discord cabal that mass reports you and calls you russian even if you post guns. It's less useable than this board or even fucking /pol/

>>17780972
it's censored since the night russia invaded

>>17780991
that shit shouldn't be on /k/. I don't care about 2 third world nations fighting

>>17781009
whatever. just don't complain about censorship in the same breath

>>17781067
/k/ is censored to shit because they have a discord cabal that mass reports posters

>>17781087
It's censored because of the war.

>>17781092
I don't care about the war

>>17781100
so?

Samuel Hawley claims that Spain was more powerful than Ming China. Note Samuel Hawley is not a historian, his books aren't published by universities and he has absolutely no credentials in the fields mentioned. Hawley also made multiple errors all over his book trying to make Korea and Japan look more powerful and China look weak and they were exposed by reviewers who pointed out what the primary sources actually said.

Then why did mere Chinese merchants kill Spanish governor general Gómez Pérez Dasmariñas and all his Spanish guards in 1593 after he tried to force them to row their ship and then hijack his galleys, kill his son Luis Pérez Dasmariñas in 1603 and every single one of his guards and took their heads as trophies, after Luis failed in the Spanish invasions of Cambodia in 1593 and 1597. Cham merchants and Malay merchants slaughtered almost the entire Spanish force in Cambodia. Luis was the one who planned to invade China in the first place and he boasted he could conquer China with 25 men, but Chinese merchants slaughtered him and all his guards. Only the exiled Japanese Catholics and Filipinos saved the Spanish in 1603.

Then in 1662, Chinese leader Zheng Chenggong (Koxinga) on Taiwan, who was commanding a rump force of Southern Ming remnants and just defeated the Dutch East India Company, sent a letter to the Spanish governor general in Manila and demanded tribute and threatened to invade the Spanish Philippines. The Spanish governor general was so scared that in 1663 he permanently withdrew every single Spanish soldier from the Maluku aka Moluccas island colony in modern day Indonesia, permanently losing Maluku forever (the Dutch later annexed it) and withdrew from Zamboanga on Mindanao for decades, exposing the Spanish to even more intensified Moro Muslim raids as he recalled the troops to defend Manila from the Chinese. The invasion was not carried out only because Koxinga died that year.

>>17782450

in the 1660s and 1670s, Koxinga's son Zheng Jing issued multiple threats to the Spanish governor general in Manila demanding tribute payments, extradition and that he administer the Chinese community in the Philippines as his own subjects and the Spanish not convert them. The Spanish folded to almost all his demands and admitted they were weak and both the Dutch East India Company and English East India Company said that Zheng Jing could overrun the weak Spanish defences in Manila if he attacked. Zheng Jing continued to raid Dutch shipping capturing Dutch ships and the only reason his planned invasion of the Spanish Philippines was called off was because of the Three Feudatories war breaking out in China.

>As conditions for the opening of commerce, if we trust Jiang’s narrative, Zheng Jing required the Spanish to present a regular tribute of shipbuilding materials and refrain from harassing the vessels that sailed to Manila.184 We do not have sufficient information to determine whether the Spanish agreed to these specific terms, but they seemed quite willing to go out of their way to appease him. Indeed, Zheng Jing had threatened in his audience with the priest to “immediately dispatch his soldiers to punish” the Philippines should they fail to comply.185 In a letter to Mariana (r. 1665-1675), the Queen Regent of Austria, Governor Manuel de León (r. 1669-1677) warned that “these provinces [the Philippines] are in no state to be complaining to the neighboring kings, with the ease with which they move to any altercation.”186 As late as 1673, he wrote of sending an envoy to Zheng “who might admonish and persuade him to continue the peace,” one method possibly involving the presentation of tribute.187

>>17782453

>When de León eventually complied with the request, Queen-Regent Mariana expressed shock and horror at the decision. She stressed in her letter that “you cannot and should not” send these prisoners to him, as their “crime being so grave and averse to our sacred Religion…they were so justly condemned by the Courts.”193 She correctly believed that Zheng’s actions essentially treated the Chinese residents of the Philippines as his own subjects and grossly interfered with Spanish legal procedures. However, the Spanish officials in the colony could do very little except tolerate the extraterritorial interference and continue their policy of appeasement. Their well-armed but tiny garrison stood no match for the tens of thousands of soldiers Taiwan could muster in the event of armed conflict.194 In fact, by 1670, Zheng Jing and his officials were already seriously considering an invasion of the Philippines, and appeared, for all purposes, to be repeating the precedent set out by Chenggong toward the Dutch, until the outbreak of Rebellion of the Three Feudatories in 1674 put an end to their preparations.

>The expeditionary force planned to attack Manila after the monsoon season, in early 1671. Both the Dutch and English, who followed his maneuvers closely, believed that Jing would prevail, since the tiny Spanish garrison proved ill-prepared for any external threat.95

Samuel Hawley claims Ming China was so weak when mere Chinese merchants killed Spanish governor generals and southern Ming rump remnants forced Spain to lose one of its colonies forever. The Spanish also failed to conquer the Moro Muslim Sultanates to its south for centuries right up to the end of Spanish rule in the Philippines.

Spain also lost its colony in Keelung, Taiwan to the same Dutch East India company that Koxinga defeated in 1662 and his father Zheng Zhilong defeated at Liaoluo bay in 1633 and that the Ming defeated earlier in the Pescadores Penghu islands in 1624.

>>17782455
Chinese in the Philippines also joined the Moro Muslim Sultanates in the 18th century as troops and wrecked havoc in raids against the Spanish in Luzon.

After Zheng Jing's son Zheng Keshuang surrendered to Han banner admiral Shi Lang in 1683, the Qing incoporated Zheng Jing and his rattan shield troops as Han bannermen and sent them north to fight against Russian Cossacks at Albazin since Manchu bannermen were unable to dislodge the Cossacks. The Han bannermen according to Qing officials routed the Cossacks in battle on the Amur river and massacred them and they forced Albazin fort's surrender. Koxinga had used his rattan shield troops against Dutch musketeers in battle after taking Fort Provintia but before the siege of Fort Zeelandia and they massacred the Dutch musketeers.

Samuel Jay Hawley claims the Japanese were so powerful, but a few outnumbered Portuguese destroyed a numerically superior Japanese force at the Fukuda bay battle in 1565 and embarrassed numerically superior Japanese at the Nossa Senhora da Graça incident in 1610. According to Japanese own accounts, the Japanese only managed to get the knowledge for musket making after a Japanese blacksmith in Tanegashima offered his own daughter Wakasa to a Portuguese man who showed him how.

Ming Chinese defeated the Portuguese at the Tamão aka Tumen battle in 1521 and at the Sincouwaan aka Qiancao aka Shancaowan aka Veniaga battle in 1522 where a Portuguese ship and cannons were captured by the Chinese. The Chinese then reverse engineered the captured Portuguese breech loading cannon themselves. Macau was later rented out by local provincial Guangdong officials to the Portuguese in exchange for annual payments of silver taels, it wasn't taken in a battle and the Portuguese also administered Nagasaki in Japan and they didn't pay rent for that.

>>17782456
Samuel Jay Hawley claims the Japanese were so powerful, but the Japanese Tokugawa Shogunate asked the Dutch East India Company for help with a fleet to ferry and guard their troops to attack the Spanish Philippines, while the Chinese had their own fleet and defeated the Dutch East India Company and Portuguese several times while Japan defeated them zero times.

Even in 1857 Chinese Cantonese pirates led by Apak defeated Portuguese pirates from Macau in the Ningpo aka Ningbo incident.

>>17782457

Since you're clearly the same person as the dumbass in the comments of the video, here's a refutation of all your BS

ALL the wokou raiders of the 16th century (1500s) including the height of the Jiajing wokou raids when they caused the most trouble, were majority Chinese, on Chinese pirate ships led by Chinese pirate captains like Wang Zhi. Those were the raids that the person replying to you meant. And your dumbass falsely claimed the Jiajing raids were majority Japanese just because they were the most powerful.

The only Japanese majority wokou were the earlier 14th century wokou (1300s and early 1400s) on Japanese pirate ships with all Japanese crew.

They were easily crushed by the Ming dynasty without trouble. The Ming threatened to invade Japan if they didn't extradite Japanese pirates for execution.

The Ashikaga Shogun succumbed to the Ming threats and surrendered Japanese pirates to Ming China to be boiled alive in giant cauldrons in 1405.

Japanese sucked at naval warfare before the 19th century

Outnumbered Chinese ships slaughtered Japanese at battle of baekgang in the Tang dynasty and battle of Noryang in the Ming dynasty.

Ming Chinese ships also defeated both wokou (Japanese majority eokou of the 14th century and Chinese majority wikou of Jiajing in the 16th century) in naval battles.

The later Jiajing majority Chinese wokou had to avoid naval combat and head straight to the coast for land battles, because the Ming navy crushed all wokou.

Outnumbered Portuguese slaughtered Japanese at the battle of Fukuda Bay and Nossa Senhora da Graça incident.

Ming Chinese defeated the Portuguese in every naval battle, at Tamão (Tunmen) in 1521 and Veniaga (Shancaowan) in 1522.

Ming China defeated the Dutch at Pescadores (1624), Liaoluo bay (1633) and Taiwan (1662)

The same Dutch defeated Spain at the battle of San Salvador in Taiwan all 1642.

Japan begged the same Dutch for naval support against Spain in the Philippines.

>>17782459
Now onto the other bullshit in your YouTube comments.

You mentioned the 1603 Samgley rebellion as an example of Japanese and Spanish military superiority

The Samgley rebellion was started when Spain planned to massacre Chinese diaspora civilian merchants and craftsmen. The Chinese rebels had zero military training and were all merchants and craftsmen like blacksmiths and tanners.

That's the same rebellion where Chinese merchant and craftsmen civilians massacred the Spanish governor general Luis Pérez Dasmariñas and all his men.

The same Luis who bragged he could conquer all of China with 25 men and was the one who suggested the Spanish invasion of China, and who tried invading Cambodia where all the Spanish were slaughtered.

Luis and his men were beheaded by Chinese civilian meechant rebels.

Then a force of Japanese Christia exiles AND FILIPINO Christian Indios came to save the Spanish from the Chinese merchant and craftsmen rebels.

The Spanish were better armed with heavy artillery (Chinese civilians had none).

The Filipinos Christians outnumbered the Chinese in the Philippines by 10000 to 1.

You pathetically tried to portray it as Japanese and Spanish defeating a numerically superior army of tens of thousands of trained Chinese soldiers.

Chinese also killed the father of Luis, Gomez Pérez Dasmariñas in 1593 when he tried enslaving them to row his galleys.

A Chinese rower gave a speech on how butchering Gomez or going down fighting was preferable to being galley slaves abd then they massacred Gomez and his entire Spanish crew.

Both Gomez and his son Luis were governor generals of the Philippines.

In 1662, Southern Ming remnants led by Koxinga (Zheng Chenggong) in Taiwan, who only controlled Taiwan and islands off China's coast like Xiamen (Amoy) and Jinmen (Kinmen) threatened to invade the Spanish Philippines.

Koxinga had a fraction of the Ming's military from its height.

>>17782464

Koxinga defeated the Dutch in Taiwan, who defeated the Spanish in Taiwan in 1642.

The Spanish governor general shat in his pants at Koxinga's threat, and withdrew all Spanish troops from Maluku (Moluccas) in Indonesia and from Zamboanga in Mindanao, to reinforce Manila.

Spain lost its Indonesian Maluku colony forever. Spain lost Zamboanga in Mindanao for decades, not returning until later. Moros took advantage of the Spanosh withdrawal to do massive raids against the Spanish.

Spain lost an entire colony in East Indonesia because a Chinese sent a threatening letter.

Koxinga's son Zheng Jing forced Spain to pay tribute and allow Zheng Jing to have extra legal jurisdiction over Chinese in Manila, over Zheng Jing's threat of invading Manila.

Dutch and English observers saud Spanish forces in Manila were weak and would be easily crushed by Zheng Jing. >>17147680 >>17147688

Chinese merchants and craftsmen participated in Moro Muslim raids against Spanish Manila in the 17th century and helped wreck Spanish military positions when British attacked the Philippines.

Chinese sent guns to the Moros against the Spanish in the 19th century.

Spain failed to conquer a divided Cambodia in its dark ages and civil war.

Spain failed to conquer Moro Muslim Sultanates for three centuries.

>>17782465

I like how your dumb excuses for Spain losing in Cambodia and to Moros is that there were only 50 Spaniards in X battle and that means they could take on China.

Then Spain would lose even harder to Ming China since it could only send only 50 Spaniards again and China is even further by ocean from Spain than Cambodia and Mindanao.

Since you keep bragging there were only hundreds of Spanish against Aztecs (with hundreds of thousands of native allies) that means Spaniards shouldn't get any credit for conquering Aztecs

A few thousand Carthaginians conquered much of Spain.


>"In 1661, during the Siege of Fort Zeelandia, Koxinga executed Dutch missionary Antonius Hambroek and took his teenage daughter as a concubine. Other Dutch (or part Dutch) women were sold to Chinese soldiers to become their "wives". In 1684 some of these women were still captives of the Chinese."

>>17782467

>local governor of Guangdong simply cobbled local forces together and put em on boats to scare them away.

They didn't just scare then you retard.

The Ming navy defeated the Portugurse in battles in 1521 and 1522, sinking their ships, capturing their ships and cannon and executed their crew.

The Ming asp sunk Dutch ships and captured Dutch ships in 1633

The Ming militarily defeated them.

>According to historians Spain was probably inspired with conquering China by what the Wokou pirates tried doing in the 1560s. The pirate force pretty much conquered a coastal city and was marching unopposed to Beijing

You're full of shit, the major wokou raids were nowhere near Beijing. You're confusing it with Nanjing.

Secondly as I said the wokou raiders of the 1500s and Jiajing were on Chinese pirate ships owned by Chinese pirates like Wang Zhi and were majority Chinese.

The Chinese pirates cooperated with corrupt local gentry officials in the Jiangnan region who they had personal ties to, during their smuggling and raids.

Chinese pirate captain Wang Zhi came all the way from inland Anhui which is even further west and inland than Nanjing.

The Ming arrested Wang Zhi and executed him and his pirate network fell apart.

The 1300s Japanese led and crewed wokou never had that power and were defeated by the Ming easily and boiled alive .

Both wokou waves lost all naval battles with the Ming.

The second wave, the Jiajing wokou pirates avoided naval patrols and headed straight to land otherwise the Ming navy would massacre them.

>>17782468
The entire Spanish conquistador force was slaughtered in Cambodia in 1593-1597.

Spain was defeated when trying to conquer Moro Muslims in Mindanao and Sulu.

Spain abandoned the Moluccas (Maluku) out of fear of Chinese attack in Manila and withdrew their troops from Moluccas forever.

Chinese merchants killed the Spanish governor generals Gomez Peres Dasmariñas and Luis Peres Dasmariñas.

>in b4 people claim Germanics like Dutch are superior and would have won

The Dutch got wrecked in Cambodia just a few decades after the Spanish.

The Chinese wrecked the Dutch at the Pescadores, Liaoluo bay and Taiwan.

Again you cope and try to claim Spanish are better at warfare and racially superior and it wasn't because Aztecs used stone age level weapons and had no gunpowder

And fail to explain how Cambodians (who had steel and gunpowder) wrecked Spanish conquistadors

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Virgin Hawley : Balding manlet with no hair who makes up alt history and fanfiction in his head about how Korea could have been a great military power and how Spain could have, would have should have conquered China.

Chad reality: Korean girls got mass raped by Japanese in the Imjin war and Spanish governor general got their heads chopped off like animals and hoisted on pikes by Chinese and Spain permanently lost Maluku because of Chinese.


Also chad reality : Spanish invasion force in Cambodia got slaughtered to a handful of men by Malays and Chams.

Spain failed to conquer several Moro Muslim sultanates for hundreds of years. Spain failed to annex Brunei.

Samuel Hawley tried to make Korea look good in his book and whitewash the pathetic state of the Korean military during Joseon since he worked as a professor in South Korea.

It's mostly Koreans spamming the posts about Dasmarinas' plan for 200 Spanish to invade China (while in reality Chinese slaughtered and chopped the Spanish heads off both Dasmarinas father and son).

And Korea was raped by foreign conquerors for centuries

>>17782471

What if Phillip II actually authorize an invasion of China? I was reading a bit about these proposals in a book detailing the Japanese excursions in Korea and against the Ming Dynasty during the late 16th Century.

Chinese merchants slaughtered Spanish governor generals Gómez Pérez Dasmariñas in 1593 and slaughtered Luis Pérez Dasmariñas and beheaded Luis and all his soldiers and Luis bragged he could conquer China with 25 men in 1603. Spanish ruled in the Philippines was only saved by Japanese exile Catholics and local Filipino tribesmen after the slaughter of Luis and his guard.

In 1662, Koxinga's southern Ming remnant, the kingdom of Tungning on Taiwan sent one letter to the Spanish governor general of the Philippines, threatening him and leading the Spanish to withdraw its soldiers from the entire Maluku Islands (Maluku) in Indonesia in 1663 and lose it forever and withdraw and abandon Zamboanga on Mindanao for decades.

>>17782473
It gets even funnier:

The guy who planned on conquering China for Spain was Luis Perez Dasmarinas, Governor of the Philippines in the late 1500s and a wannabe conquistador who wanted to be like his early 16th century idols like Cortez or Pizarro.

In reality, he was fucking pathetic as Philippine Governor:
>Tried fighting Southern Moro Muslims & got booted off.
>Forced to end his Muslim Campaigns when Toyotomi Hideyoshi threatened to invade the Philippines if Spain didn't stop sending missionaries.
>Dasmarinas panicked, and took every Spanish soldier to Manila to defend the capital.
>Hideyoshi invaded Korea instead, but all soldiers were in Manila, Muslim Moros raided & enslaved Spanish subjects who were left defenseless.

>In 1593 Dasmarinas announced his plans invade China for Spain.
>He thought Cambodia was a nice place to start since Khmers were weak..
>Ridiculously fucking lost to the Cambodians who were undergoing the worst period in history: the Khmer Dark ages.

His term as governor ended in 1596 but he remained in the Philippines to pursue his conquistador dream so his retardation continued.
>1596.
>He attempted another expedition to Conquer Cambodia.
>His fleet got blown off-course by a typhoon and landed near an Island near Macau.
>Portuguese got pissed off and attacked the expedition, driving it back to the Philippines.

Dasmarinas met his end in 1603 when the Chinese merchants & immigrants in Manila rebelled against racist Spanish decrees. After 20,000 Chinese rebels- just mere peasants & rebels- surrounded Manila, Dasmarinas demanded that the Spanish should counterattack, but the new Governor told him to wait for reinforcements instead. Dasmarinas got pissed off, yelled "TWENTY-FIVE SPANIARDS ARE ENOUGH TO CONQUER ALL OF CHINA" and sallied out with like a hundred men.

The Chinese peasants merely lured him into a swamp and slaughtered his conquistadors piecemeal. His head was propped up in the siege lines the next day.

Filipino Filipinos

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>>17782474
Japanese sold Korean girls to Portuguese in Macau and Southeast Asia as sex slaves

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=A3HsCgAAQBAJ&pg=PA93&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=p3yW5MdzKnUC&pg=PA114

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Japanese sold Koreans as slaves to Portuguese in the Imjin war including Korean sex slaves

Korean women gave birth to Portuguese fathered babies in Macau.

Japanese also raped Korean girls in barley fields during Imjin war.

Ming Chinese troops raped Korean girls during the Imjin war, accusing their families of being Japanese collaborators

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>>17782479
Carthage conquered Iberians

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Carthage conquered Iberians

>>17782479
I respect all the work that goes into what you do, but it's intellectual content is null because anyone can see there's a corrupt motive at the very bottom.

>>17780962
>>/gaytheist/i
Hilarious. Denial won't save you, by the way. Tick tock.
>>17780830 (OP)
>frog
Rope.

>>17782479
https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/16658070/#q16658070

>>16658070

>>177Rock!
>Denial won't save you
>Tick tock
You got so buck broken that you started copying my speech. I utterly humiliated you.
There's nothing you can do to stop what's coming for you. And no, not a single person is ever going to your imaginary hell. Your "threats" are as impotent as a barking chihuahua.
You have until the end of the decade at best before you're locked in the torture cages. Tick tock!

>>17782578
>Denial won't save you
>Tick tock
You got so buck broken that you started copying my speech. I utterly humiliated you. Makes sense when you're too stupid to basic math. You never went to Princeton, it's obvious.
There's nothing you can do to stop what's coming for you. And no, not a single person is ever going to your imaginary hell. Your "threats" are as impotent as a barking chihuahua.
You have until the end of the decade at best before you're locked in the torture cages. Tick tock!

>>17783080
holy shit is this the chinkspammer admitting to being godjak spammer? How about you leave this board entirely

>>17783083
I'm not a chinkspammer or a godjak spammer.

>>17783087
then what are you talking about

>>17783088
A few months ago the KJV only young earth creationist Baptist fundamentalist who tells everyone to enjoy burning etc. tried to make an argument that evolution is impossible by bringing up Haldanes dilemma about fixation rates over a population. He was proved wrong and humiliated, and told that artificial intelligence is going to be used to lock him in a cage, keep him alive perpetually, and torture him. And unlike his objectively nonexistent afterlife, this is a real thing that will happen and he can't deny or pretend it won't. He got so utterly mindbroken that he's spent months seething and throwing a tantrum on this board to everyone about it. You can tell he stays awake at night in terror about what's coming for him.

>>17783094
well I'm glad you're having fun with your AIs