Thread 17783761

>revert to Christianity
>realize that my grand parents on both sides, atheists, are in hell for rejecting Christ
how do I cope?

>>17783761 (OP)
No one is anywhere until the resurrection and judgement - all of your ancestors are just asleep right now

>>17783761 (OP)
I think you can pray to lighten their torments

>>17783761 (OP)
You're the only one who's going to be tortured forever. Your grandparents are dead and experience nothing anymore.

What kind of sick fuck posts this

>>17783893
It is your outlook on life that is wrong. Sorry for not being like everyone else.

>>17783900
The average Christian

>>17783761 (OP)
In the unlikely event that you are serious, Our Lady gave you the Prayer of Fatima for this reason

>>17783918
Not everyone is a catholic

>>17783761 (OP)
>When our Lord showed Sister Francesca of the Blessed Sacrament, a Spanish Carmelitess, the loss of a soul, and several times in a vision compelled her positively to study the separate tortures of that place, He upbraided her for weeping: "Francesca! why weepest thou?" She fell prostrate at His sacred feet, and said, " Lord ! for the damnation of that soul, and the manner in which it has been damned." He vouchsafed to reply, "Daughter! it hath chosen to damn itself; I have given it many helps of grace that it might be saved, but it would not profit by them. I am pleased with your compassion, but I would have you rather love My justice."

I genuinely can not wait for every one of you disgusting Christian subhumans to be locked in the torture chambers by our AIs. Every single one of you deserves it, and God despises you which is why he has empowered us to be able to do this to you. No amount of crying out to God will save you.
You have until the end of the decade. Tick tock!

>>17783761 (OP)
According to most sects of Christianity, like 97% of all humans to ever walk the planet are currently burning in hell. Something to the tune of about 95 billion people are currently being eternally tortured, including a bunch of illiterate cavemen who died during a wooly mammoth hunt.

So at least your ancestors have plenty of company.

>>17783761 (OP)
>how do I cope?
The closer you get to God, the less you'll care about the dead in hell.

>>17784002
Atheists are always raging against Christ and Christians, they're mentally ill puppets of the jews.

>>17784035
Are you referring to those who died before Jesus' crucifixion? They were saved when He descended into Hell. What exactly do you think He was doing when He died, taking a breather?

>>17784832
how do you know he saves some faggot who think they are sin when they fuck their ass?

>>17783761 (OP)
>how do I cope?
Realize that Christianity is a lie and hell doesn't exist. You will also go to hell in other denominations or for your other beliefs, be it spiritual or political.

>>17784040
Getting closer to God reduces empathy?

>>17783761 (OP)
Don't reject Christ but rebel against the tyranny of God the Father. Fight against him. He's evil.

>>17785210
Gee, Patrick, heresy and blasphemy?

>>17785275
Amoral much? You're willing to let some immoral being get off scot-free just because you're afraid of hell? Seriously? There are things bigger than your soul. I can't imagine giving up my moral character just so I can avoid hell while another burns for something completely innocent.

>>17784832
>Are you referring to those who died before Jesus' crucifixion? They were saved when He descended into Hell. What exactly do you think He was doing when He died, taking a breather?
Really? All like 80 billion people who lived prior to 33 AD got autosaved without doing anything? While the like 20 billion who’ve lived over the last 2 millennia have to actually make a choice (and the majority chose wrong)? That doesn’t seem fair.

What about all the native Americans prior to like 1492? Did they get autosaved as well? Most of Asia prior to the Middle Ages?

It sounds like basically all of humanity, past and present, got a free ticket to heaven. I guess we’re the unlucky ones because we’re the small minority that actually have to choose the correct religion to make it to heaven, unlike everyone else who got there automatically.

>>17785723
Exodus 33:19
I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

So if somebody dies but all their friends/family goes to hell, is the person in heaven supposed to say "at least I have god lmao" and give zero fucks about everybody else?

Optimistically, they might be on purgatory. If they onlly had "minor flaws", that's where they end, and after some time, they ascend into heaven.

>>17783761 (OP)
God has no respect of persons, there's nothing you can do to save yourself other than doing good.

>>17785734
That’s not an answer.

>>17785723
>That doesn’t seem fair.
Who the hell are you to judge God lmao
>I guess we’re the unlucky ones because we’re the small minority that actually have to choose the correct religion
You're hitting this perspective all wrong my friend. How lucky we are because we can know Christ!

>>17783900
>>17783915
totally organic concern trolling, chinkspammer

>>17785910
>Who the hell are you to judge God lmao
I love how you retards spout of your own, individual, retarded theology (that disagrees with most, if not all, actually recognized Christian denominations), and then say some horseshit like
>Hurr, don’t argue with me. Argue with god
God didn’t say that shit, retard. You did. I’m arguringw with you, because this is about your personal theological opinions (of which I can’t think of a single denomination that agrees with you).
>You're hitting this perspective all wrong my friend. How lucky we are because we can know Christ!
According to you, like 90% of all humans who have ever lived are currently in heaven with Jesus. They know Jesus better than you do. If anything, you have a much higher chance of going to hell then they do, because you can still get
>Begone from my presence, I never knew you
BTFOed while some chink in the Zhou Dynasty got into heaven by default.

Do you see why your ideology doesn’t make sense?

>>17786181
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrowing_of_Hell
>In Christian theology, the Harrowing of Hell (Latin: Descensus Christi ad Inferos; Greek: Ἡ εἰς ᾍδου κάθοδος τοῦ Χριστοῦ – "the descent of Christ into Hell" or Hades) is the period of time between the Crucifixion of Jesus and his resurrection. In triumphant descent, Christ brought salvation to the souls held captive there since the beginning of the world.

You will learn a lot more if you simply say "I don't know" rather than assume someone is spouting liberal theology. This ain't /pol/. Walk with Christ, my brother anon.

>>17783880
but will go to Hell anyways

>>17783761 (OP)
>revert to Christianity
LARP-ass retard.

Nobody who really believes in hell thinks about it too hard do they? Like how even after countless eons of agonizing torture in magical minecraft lava and gnashing of teeth, etc. you're no closer to the end of your infinite suffering than you were at the beginning. Your great grandma that pinched your cheek and baked you cookies is there, your son who died in a car accident is there, suffering forever. While you, the elect, live in the kingdom of god on earth just accepting that countless billions are in perpetual agony.

>>17786758
>I don't like something
>Therefore it doesn't exist
Let me guess: You weren't a National Merit finalist.

>>17786301
>Here’s a link to some shit I don’t understand
Holy fuck, why are you retards so fucking insufferable. You spend all day arguing about a religion you don’t even understand.

If you fucking read the link you sent, you’d know it is primarily a Catholic/Orthodox belief. A large portion of Christians don’t even believe in that shit.

Secondly, the most common interpretation of that “event” is that Jesus only saved the souls of the righteous who lived by god’s will but died prior to 33AD. So people like Abraham, Moses, righteous Hebrews, etc. Not most people, and likely not some random chink in the Zhou Dynasty unless he was unusually pure and spiritual. You are using a “Universalist” -tier explanation which most all Christians would reject. Every human that died prior to 33 AD did not go to heaven.

So yes, once again, most of humanity is in hell, likely something to the tune of 80 billion people.

You faggots are so fucking retarded. Learn your own fucking religion before you come here.

>>17786833
>Every human that died prior to 33 AD did not go to heaven.
Except for every instance of people going to Heaven in the Old Testament. Gotta make sure to conveniently ignore those, because you hate the truth.

>>17786849
>Except for every instance of people going to Heaven in the Old Testament. Gotta make sure to conveniently ignore those, because you hate the truth.
Are you a fucking ESL or something you fat fucking retard?
I specifically said “EVERY human that died prior to 33 AD did not go to heaven.” Some did, according to the Bible, but not every human.

So once again, you’re wrong, you’re retarded, and you don’t even know you’re own religion.

>>17786857
Trolling outside of /b/ is against the rules. Have fun in Hell.

>>17786859
>He tucks his tail once again, after having been defeated
It’s the same thing everytime with you retards.

Bliss.

>>17786833
You are an insufferable faggot with a huge ego and you aren't mentally or spiritually prepared to be on this board. You were given genuine theological arguments that have stood the test of time and you plugged your ears and doubled down on your obstinance.

>>17783761 (OP)
Just realize that if you don't sacrifice your own life to save someone else's life before you get old, you will be joining them there soon enough.

>>17786790
Even if we know for a fact hell exists, why even worship God if he's responsible for such an evil? It would only make sense to deem such a being evil, whether or not he's responsible for all good.

>>17784040
>Atheists are always raging against Christ and Christians, they're mentally ill puppets of the jews.
Yes, that is exactly why most atheists dislike cryptojews because they are schizos who have pledged loyalty to a violent rabbi.

>>17785734
So now making the right choice and doing everything right doesn't even matter, god could simply turn on you and send you to hell just because he doesn't feel like giving you mercy or compassion at that moment?

>>17785769
No, they get to imagine entirely new versions of their family and friends without all the annoying retarded shit that comes with them.

>>17785783
According to >>17785734, doing "good" won't even help since god is some emo onions boy who will just do what he feels like. Its not like god had any qualms about ruining job and murdering his entire family because an angry demon dared god to.

>>17787485
Regardless of whether they dislike whomever, their voting records are identical. What Jews push, atheists do.

>>17788055
>their voting records are identical
I don't grant that this is true, but without God atheists probably mostly reason about what to choose with regard to politics based on some type of consequentialism. And for a consequentialist who doesn't believe in God, when one side is just constantly screaming that x, y, and z, are the worst things in the world because God says so in an ancient magic desert book, it's so unpersuasive that it's anti-persuasive.

>>17788055
Yes, because Evangelical Christians aren’t known for worshipping Israel or anything. Retard.

Your le heckin’ Based Christianity only exists in your head, and espousing your beliefs in real life would get you kicked out of every church in your hometown.

>>17783761 (OP)
Why do you think hell exists? What evidence of hell is there?

>>17787377
>You are an insufferable faggot with a huge ego and you aren't mentally or spiritually prepared to be on this board.
Cope. You don’t even know you’re own religion.
>You were given genuine theological arguments
That you didn’t even read and that I know better than you.
>that have stood the test of time
They haven’t. Christianity was never heralded as a logical religion. It always hinged on the idea of “secret knowledge,”incomprehensible spiritual processes, and violence. It’s not supposed to make sense.

It should be mandatory for you retards to read the whole Bible before you come here. I have.

>>17788166
Not him but your autistic meme spam, nasty demeanor and need to use foul language every 5 seconds is extremely reddit.

>>17783761 (OP)
You are also going to rot in hell because the kingdom of heaven upon the earth was destroyed by demons.

>>17786470
I used to be a christian as a child and then reverted

>>17787485
>most atheists dislike cryptojews
Most atheists would begin screeching about you being an evil nazi monster for using the term

God is just to bring His wrath upon any sinner at any moment. It was an inestimable grace that they were permitted to live at all, when He would have been just to pull them from the womb directly into the fires of damnation. Know that you do not have peace with God by right, but as a free gift of mercy which you did not deserve and were not predisposed to.

>>17788175
>hurr you’re hurting my feelings
Might want to try another website, retard. Go tell your mom that internet people are making fun of your autism.

>>17788187
Actually you're making me cringe, clown.

>>17788159
There are Christians coming to understand how dispensationalism is being used against their interests. Americanism and Zionism are being exposed. Further, these United Church of Christ heretics are basically atheist in Christian garb. Some don't believe in heaven, others hell, some don't even recognize the Nicene creed. You can call them Christian if you want, they certainly want you to, but they don't fool anyone with an intermediate grasp on theology.

My based Christianity does not only exist in my head. My hometown is rural, conservative, and very Christian with no shortage of WELS Lutherans. I feel welcome on each one.

You have no argument.

>>17788166
You on the other hand are unhinged. I'm going to guess autistic, public university undergrad, DYEL, with Christian parents you resent and so have turned to reddit and youtube for euphoric enlightenment.

>>17788193
Cope and seethe more, retard.

>>17788207
>There are Christians coming to understand how dispensationalism is being used against their interests. Americanism and Zionism are being exposed.
Yeah, on /pol/ and Reddit.
>Further, these United Church of Christ heretics are basically atheist in Christian garb.
Nobody knows what the fuck you’re talking about.
>Some don't believe in heaven, others hell, some don't even recognize the Nicene creed.
Nice schizo ramblings.
>You can call them Christian if you want, they certainly want you to, but they don't fool anyone with an intermediate grasp on theology.
Yes, you’re so very smart, /pol/tard. I have a challenge for you. Go to a church in your area on Sunday and film yourself espousing your /pol/ ramblings. Let me know if you make it 15min before they ask you to leave and remind you that Israel is our Greatest Ally.

>My based Christianity does not only exist in my head.
You’re right, it exists on /pol/ too.
>My hometown is rural, conservative, and very Christian with no shortage of WELS Lutherans.
I live in rural America, retard. Most of them have a flag like the one above in their yard. Nobody loves Israel more the stix.
>I feel welcome on each one.
That’s because you hide your true opinions and beliefs. You don’t announce how much you hate jews in your church, because you know you wouldn’t be well received.

>>17783918
>the Prayer of Fatima for this reason
Catholics believe that they can will mercy for already dead people? Lmao.
>The prayer was reportedly taught to the three shepherd children (Lucia, Francisco, and Jacinta) by the Virgin Mary during the apparitions in 1917
LMAOOOOOOOOOO

>>17788207
>You on the other hand are unhinged. I'm going to guess autistic, public university undergrad, DYEL, with Christian parents you resent and so have turned to reddit and youtube for euphoric enlightenment.
Nice projection. You still don’t even understand your own religion.

>>17788299
>Cope and seethe more
How ironic!

>>17783761 (OP)
You do not understand Christianity or religion in general. Deep down you’re still a leftist materialist

>>17786833
Damn so people who had no way of knowing Judaism are just destined to Hell?

>>17788345
>You still don’t even understand your own religion.
Youre the one who never heard of the Harrowing of Hell right? lol
>n-no that's niche bro!

>>17788186
Jonathan Edwards is that you? Tell me again how God hates every living human being like he's holding spiders and insects in his hands and wants nothing more than to put children in fiery torture chambers for celebrating christmas (pagan holiday) and singing nonreligious folk music (heretical).

>>17788439
Harrowing of Hell is not Universalism. Once again, you are wrong, and you do not know what you are talking about, like every other TradCath Larper on this website.

Do you ever get tired of being fat and retarded at the same time?

>>17788604
Sure is summer here

>>17787441
>Even if we know for a fact hell exists, why even worship God if he's responsible for such an evil?
So that you aren't thrown into the furnace yourself. You're extremely stupid. Have fun burning.

>>17788162
There's an entire book of evidence called the King James Bible. Even modern science has caught up and confirms that beneath the earth is extreme heat and fire.

Well assuming you're a westerner you can always cope by saying that since they were raised Christian, perhaps they found Jesus in their final moments
I've never understood how non-Christians can convert so easily
In the Icelandic sagas you often have characters who the authors of the sagas likely saw as their ancestors who were pagans
Sometimes there's only 1 generation between that character and their supposedly Christian descendants
They love to tell you that the Christian descendants of these pagans built churches, became nuns, went on pilgrimages, etc but that doesn't help the guy who died as a pagan

>>17787441
Evil deserves evil. If you don't wanna suffer such evil then don't do evil. Good deserves good. Do good and a good thing will be given to you.

>>17789058
Maybe he shouldn't have been a pagan

>>17789219
From the Christian point of view he is fully culpable for all of his sin and thus deserves to be in Hell but when you think about the message these pagan converts heard you must wonder if they thought it was fair?
They weren't thinking about predestination, they were thinking about the good news which would result in them obtaining salvation as a free gift and so it seems kind of shit that their ancestor missed out on hearing this good news

>>17789058
People generally have very nearsighted and self-serving reasons for religion. Norse pagans in 800s Iceland did shit for Odin because they wanted to get something out of it - like victory or food - it wasn't to "be in harmony with their ancestors" most of whom had a shitty fate after death (in their eyes as well even if you believe in the Valhalla shit which eehh is questionable).

>>17789282
You think it wasn't explained to them?
>>17789287
The reason for the Christian is anything but near-sighted or self-serving. It means humbling yourself to reconcile with God, setting aside your pride and becoming His faithful and obedient slave.

>>17785769
You transcend normal humanity so it no longer matters.

>>17789298
Medieval Icelanders typically had much more crude reasons for accepting Jesus and slowly phasing out of Odin.

>>17789298
Yeah I think people had more pressing concerns and I don't think telling people that they're reprobate sinners who ought to be damned will work like it does with people culturally Christian because those concepts aren't even in their mind
>>17789287
Yes I recognise that they did it for salvation or for political reasons but what I'm saying is that they knew these pagans, they were grandparents or parents and similar relatives
They weren't distant ancestors that they never knew

>>17789303
Proof?
>>17789313
>Yeah I think people had more pressing concerns
Nothing more pressing
>I don't think telling people that they're reprobate sinners who ought to be damned will work
It works because they know it's true, their repentance is only a matter of the Holy Spirit's will.

>>17783761 (OP)
By knowing that, according with the church fathers, your greatest source of entertainment in heaven will be watching them being tortured forever

>>17788352
>caring about you family is lefty materialism

A growing number of Christians are Annihilationlist including myself. We believe Hell is finite suffering for humans but Heaven is infinite bliss for humans. One verse that strongly supports this is John 3:16. There is a clear distinction between "perish" and "have eternal life". It wouldn't make sense for "perish" to mean "eternal conscious torment". That literally goes against what perishing means.

A common objection is that there are verses about the fires burning forever, but that's easy to explain. Hell is not just a place for unsaved humans. It's also a place for Satan to be punished. And Satan is eternal, therefore Hell needs to be eternal for Satan.

Annihilationlism as a belief changes very little if anything of daily life. Any moral calculus you make under fear of infinite damnation, you should still make under fear of finite damnation.

Some Christians go as far as believing in Universalism which states everyone gets saved regardless, but that's not supported by John 3:16.

>>17789215
>Evil deserves evil. If you don't wanna suffer such evil then don't do evil. Good deserves good. Do good and a good thing will be given to you.
The whole point of the Bible is that no human is “good,” so what’s the point of your meaningless blabber?

>>17789298
The reason for being Christian is to get a train ticket to Heaven and avoid the super lava.

>>17784002
Global supply chains nigga. Peter Zeihan has spoken... snake eye motherfucker.... you know what I mean?
https://youtu.be/0ktF9iU_cvQ

>>17783761 (OP)
They're not in Hell.
How can you believe this ?

Imagine being sent to Hell for not apprehending probabilistic manuscripts in a certain way.

>"The bliss of the elect in heaven would not be perfect unless they were able to look across the abyss and enjoy the agonies of their brethren in eternal fire."
Pope Gregory I

>>17789402
A growing number of Christians like you are going to infinitely suffer in Hell.

>>17786833
So when you said >>17786181 that the theology was entirely made up by anon and literally no single denomination of any christian believes in it, what you actually meant was that it is an ancient orthodox belief from the inception of christianity that all the largest oldest global denominations of christianity still recognize to this day?

>>17786857
You are clearly ESL since you didn't seem to understand that anon was talking about people like Elijah who died before 33 and the bible specifically said they went to heaven when they died, not after 33.

>>17788055
Then why don't we see atheists moving to israel en masse to help the jews steal land from palestinians, why is it always some christian pastor who convinces half of his followers to drop everything and serve jews because jesus said to?

>>17788338
You aren't fooling anyone with your pilpul, rabbi, everyone knows antisemitism is a long held christian tradition and its only you diversity+ lgbt city folk who love jews as much as you imply.

>>17788604
>Universalism
Your goalpost moving didn't fool anyone other than yourself, retard. We all saw you saying harrowing of hell had nothing to do with christianity because zero denominations acknowledge it in your original post >>17786181, only to admit well yeah it is an orthodox catholic teaching that has been around for centuries.

>>17788974
>my own basis and interpretation
No, the objective basis of evil in pretty much every dictionary and encyclopedia is intentional maliciousness and general malevolence, you are the one trying to make up your own definition that subjugates it to some magical imaginary being instead of to actions that are meant to cause harm.

>>17789215
>Evil deserves evil. If you don't wanna suffer such evil then don't do evil. Good deserves good.
Tell that to poor Job and his dead family who died because Job was too good, so god took a bet with a demon to test him that involved killing everyone he loved for the evil demons' amusement.

>>17789313
>what I'm saying is that they knew these pagans, they were grandparents or parents and similar relatives
Which is exactly why all the christian rituals and holidays are just repurposed pagan rituals and holidays.

>>17789402
>Satan is eternal, therefore Hell needs to be eternal for Satan.
So you need there to be a hell because you want to worship satan as just as eternal as god?

>>17784832
Isn’t hell the absence of God? How could he have gone to hell?

>>17790022
Job died 100x happier than you'll ever be. He had a great life, he suffered for a while and proved his Righteousness, then he had an even greater life in the end. He himself was well pleased and satisfied with his outcome.

>>17790047
That cope just means that those desiring to do and doing good deserve evil in return because they will simply justify it as being good in the end anyway. Do you also think job's old family feels the same way and that job was really happy waiting in hell for centuries until jesus came to save him?

>>17790058
Job was not in hell. Job is sleeping in death until resurrection day.

>>17790070
So Jesus didn't actually harrow hell to save any souls, everyone who was going to be saved were just sleeping somewhere else anyway?

>>17790070
>I retract and repent in dust and ashes
No, Job relegated himself to burning, he said nothing about enjoying a slumber then going to heaven and only thanked god that he was going to turn him into ashes and scatter him to the wind to make room for the next generation.

>>17790093
Tisk.

>>17790101
Jesus himself even said it was nearly impossible for rich people like job to get intto heaven, job never got a camel through the eye of a needle, so how could he ever get to heaven according to jesus's teachings?

>>17790108
God called Job perfect.

>There is no one on earth like him; he is perfect and upright, a man who fears God and shuns evil.”

>>17790108
Job devoted all his riches to ywhw

>>17790111
Not perfect enough to actually do the one thing Jesus said a rich guy would have to do to actually get into heaven.
>>17790117
No, if you give away all your money to some other cause, you aren't rich, you are penniless, he had so much money for himself precisely because he wasn't giving it god which is exactly why rich people can't really get to heaven unless they give everything to others according to jesus.

>>17790118
>No, if you give away all your money to some other cause, you aren't rich, you are penniless
That's not what devoting means

>>17790127
That was exactly the one and only thing it meant according to jesus when the rich guy asked how rich people can glorify god and get into heaven.

>>17790140
False

>a woman came to him with an alabaster jar of very costly ointment, and she poured it on his head as he sat at the table. 8 But when the disciples saw it, they were angry and said, “Why this waste? 9 For this ointment could have been sold for a large sum and the money given to the poor.” 10 But Jesus, aware of this, said to them, “Why do you trouble the woman? She has performed a good service for me

>>17790118
He gave everything in exchange for God.

>>17790146
Exactly, jesus said to give all your things away instead of selling it and hoarding the money/wealth like job did, you can't become rich like by giving away all your ointment and valuables.

>>17790152
No, he was rich, if he gave everything away, he would be penniless, but he wasn't penniless in the beginning and end of the story, he was a very rich man.

>>17790153
>giving away all your ointment and valuables.
Consacrating to god isn't giving away to people on the streets; you completely ignored the meaning of the passage

>>17790153
Job explains in detail how rigtheous he was. If he sold all he had and gave it to the poor God would just give him more. He helped the poor greatly and did justice to the oppressed.

>>17790157
>>17790155

>>17790156
>Consacrating to god isn't giving away to people on the streets
Yes it is, that is literally what jesus told the rich guy to do.

>you completely ignored the meaning of the passage
No, you completely missed the point where jesus was against selling things for money and instead said to give things away to those in need instead of profiting off of their neediness like job did to get rich.

>>17790161
>Yes it is, that is literally what jesus told the rich guy to do.
Then explain why the passage says you are wrong

>>17790157
>If he sold all he had and gave it to the poor God would just give him more.
But he didn't do that, he hoarded the wealth and was a very rich man because the OT riches is how god rewarded the faithful, but that changed in the NT when jesus said to give everything away instead of accumulating riches like job did.

>He helped the poor greatly and did justice to the oppressed.
How so? How did all the wealth he hoarded instead of giving away help the poor who needed that wealth to survive?

>>17790162
It doesn't, it explicitly says not to sell things for money and to give them away to serve those in need.

>>17790167
You are willingly ignoring what it says

> Why this waste? 9 For this ointment could have been sold for a large sum and the money given to the poor.”
This is you

10 But Jesus, aware of this, said to them, “Why do you trouble the woman? She has performed a good service for me

Here jesus says you are wrong, consacrating things to god is also acceptable

>>17790165
God still rewards with riches. He didn't hoard his health, God just blessed his work and kept giving him more. If you read the book he explains how he helped the poor.

>>17790177
>God still rewards with riches.
No, the NT narrative is that god tempts people with riches.

>He didn't hoard his health (sic)
He did or he wouldn't be rich, he would be penniless like jesus said was necessary to get into heaven.

>If you read the book he explains how he helped the poor.
Apparently it wasn't even explained well enough for you to summarize after totally having read the book in whole.

>>17790169
>This is you
No, I am explicitly saying that selling things for money instead of giving them away is the opposite of what jesus preached and in fact said it was nearly impossible for someone who did so to get into heaven without giving everything away at some point to the ones who need it instead of profiting off of their needs.

>Here jesus says you are wrong
No, he says I am correct and that selling things to accumulate wealth instead of giving them to serve those in need while remaining penniless is bad.

>>17790169
>consacrating things to god is also acceptable
Job didn't do that, he hoarded the wealth for himself since that is what a rich man is, someone who has a large hoard of wealth instead of giving it away in away and using it up in ways that serve god.

>>17784002
Wroth

>>17788974
How the hell is this a rebuttal? Yes Gid is evil by my own subjective opinions, hence why I wouldn't worship him if he were real.

>>17790047
>Wives and kids are fungible commodities

>>17790544
Wife didn't die. Proves you didnt read it. Why should you then understand. You will not understand. God does not grant you need understanding.

>>17790210
Job gave to the poor lots and lots of stuff. God keeps giving him more. He is blessed, he will never be poor. Even when he resurrected he will be rich. Because he is rigtheous.

>>17790542
>I have the right to judge God
>God has to follow my rules
Inconceivable hubris, you are surely Jewish

>>17789990
>that the theology was entirely made up by anon and literally no single denomination of any christian believes in it, what you actually meant was that it is an ancient orthodox belief from the inception of christianity that all the largest oldest global denominations of christianity still recognize to this day?
No retard, learn to read. The Harrowing of Hell =/= Universalism. Everyone person who lived and died prior to 33 AD did not “escape hell.” Some denominations argue that every soul in hell had the opportunity, but no denomination believes that they all said yes. I’m sure the Orthodox has some mumbo jumbo explanation for while a soul burning in hell would literally choose to stay there, but that’s what they actually believe.

So once again, can you fat fucking retards learn your own religion (or at least learn to read) before you come here? Like holy fuck. How many times will you choose to embarrass yourself?

>>17786303
only Judas
the rest are probably chilling in Limbo until the day of

>>17789992
>Every human who ever lived in all of history is actually just one dude named Elijah
I propose a rangeban on all you fat, stupid Mexicans who cannot produce a coherent thought.

>>17790016
You don’t know how to read, retard. This whole discussion was about how the majority of humanity is in hell. The Harrowing of Hell has nothing to do with that shit. Most interpretations of the Harrowing of Hell is that Jesus saved dudes like Moses and Abraham
>Congrats, 5 people out of 80 billion
Nobody believes it was everyone or even the majority of people. It’s irrelevant to the subject matter.

Once again, why do you continue to make yourself look like a retard? Are you simply incapable of not being a stupid fucking dipshit?

>>17790011
>You aren't fooling anyone with your pilpul, rabbi, everyone knows antisemitism is a long held christian tradition and its only you diversity+ lgbt city folk who love jews as much as you imply.
Nice cope, poltard. I challenge you to go into a local church and test their response to your “Christian beliefs.”

Also, “Witness Doctrine” and Christianity are the only reasons Judaism still exists. No other group on Earth besides Christians every gave a fuck about Jews, and that’s a historical fact. Christianity singlehandly kept it alive after it nearly died out completely in the Second and Third Centuries.

>>17790671
His kids did die though, but nice hair-splitting, retard. The kids don’t come back. They’re replaced with new, other offspring because children are apparently completely interchangeable and their individual lives don’t matter.

>>17790772
He himself was satisfied. So imagine how great must have been the hoy God rewarded him with that he lost his kids and still felt it was worth it.

God gives true treasures. He can open how many gates of joy and happiness he wants to whoever he wants.

>>17790777
Are you just completely oblivious to the fact that Job’s children were people too, with their own thoughts and dreams and aspirations and desire to not fucking die and be replaced by new children that are not them?

>>17790786
Will God not have mercy on them in the last day and compensate them? Job was representing the whole of humanity, against Satan. He proved that man is capable of loving God and is capable of rigtheousness. He set a present for the rest of us and defeated Satan.

God saved his soul and that if his children by proving his rigtheousness because the accuser made serious accusations against him.

>>17785734
So deep

>>17786758
Christians are either psychopathic or 2 digit IQ you know, that is why.
You cannot prove this wrong.

>>17790736
nigger just specify you are making a generalization, because your statement was universal. the spics still wont understand but atleast you will make sure your arguments are fully coherent.

>>17788974
>morality subjective therefore magic lava

>>17790731
>FUCK
Rope.

>>17790878
1. I'm telling the truth.
2. I have a triple digit IQ.
3. I'm not a psychopath.
4. I'm a Christian.
5. Therefore, you're retarded.
6. Have fun burning.

>>17791432
1. No you are not.
2. No you do not.
3. Yes you could be considered one.
4. Yes.
5. Incorrect.
6. That's such a horrible, soulless and twisted thing to wish to anyone! Incorrect!
Congratulations! You got 1 right! Your IQ only went down by 2 points! (66->64)

>>17791472
Those flames just got hotter. I can't wait to hear your screams, rat.

>>17784002
All what 4cucks know is hate
Why so wrathful; Why live a life of hatred; It will only make you detest the life you were given since you cannot change everything you dislike or resent
I am full of Love and I will pray for you

>>17791476
>>17791490
Magic lava! MAGIC LAVA!!!

>>17791494
Abraham's bosom