What if Russia got crippled during the 1500s/1600s and remained a local regional power that never conquered Siberia? Who'd do it? Could the Chinese pull it off? Would the British even stake some claim? Would Turkic countries form during modernity and extend their reach to the Arctic Ocean?

>>17784610 (OP)
Too big of hypothetical to give you a really solid answer. Chinese colonisation is imo. unlikely simply because Chinese had this dynamic where they didn't really think much of economic activity per se, but rather about the tax base. While this may seem to be the same thing, it becomes more easily understood when you compare two professions, that of a rice farmer and a fur trader. Chinese fiscal system was, for obvious reasons, very well adapted to taxing the former, but new administrative measures would have to be taken to tax the latter, as such the idea if taking 1000 rice farmers to start running colonies in the north, initially for the furs(farming in the area is not well developed even today and resource extraction would require prospecting that the Chinese haven't done irl so would have to do them after actually colonising the place) is a net loss from the perspective of the Chinese imperial administration. This is also why their reaction on pogroms of Chinese merchants outside of China were met with "they shouldn't have left China" kind if reaction.

>>17784610 (OP)
>Would the British even stake some claim?
The British could barely hold Canada. Siberia would just be what it is right now turks and mongols, but instead of being ruled by western Mongolia, aka Moscovia, they would be ruled from Ulanbator and Tashkent

>>17784939
>ruled by western Mongolia, aka Moscovia
Western Ukrainian and Southern Romanian too

>>17785140
Moscovia was a tributary of the Golden Horde and its political and spiritual successor. The Russian federation is just a rebrand of the Golden Horde which explains why everything they touch is a shithole and their turkomongolian mentality that wealth cannot be created and can only be pillaged and stolen

>17784939
>17785155
Not a single day goes by in Januzcs Pidorowski's life without seething at Russia.

>>17785238
>implying it is not the truth
So Moscovia was not a tributary state of the Horde anon?

>twisting words and putting words in my mouth
Damn... Is this how Eastern Europeans argue? Grim.

>>17785252
Ok Ivan thank you for the concession

>>17785155
Go kiss Turkish ass like obsessing pig

>>17785273
Speak in English Igor, your retarded turkomongolian rant is impossible to decipher

>Speak in English Igor, your retarded turkomongolian r-ACK!!

>>17785155
>Moscovia was a tributary of the Golden Horde
So were all Russian principalities including the Danilovich ones in the west.
>Abloo abloo
They followed khan Uzbek on his raid to Lithuanian, breaking previous peace treaty with Mindagaus. This was never brought up by any chronicler, almost as if it was understood that they had a more important obligation(that of vassal to his lord). Just for information of people who aren't that aware of people I'm talking about - these were the westernmost princes of the rurikid domain, places like Kiev were under direct control of the khan. No tributaries, no yoke just part of the literal state.
As such, since we've established that you're all literally Mongolian bred and buck broken, why are people who broke out of the yoke on their own supposed to be the successors of the khanate?
Why are people who first submitted to the Khan and then were freed of him by Poles and Lithuanians(mostly the latter) and then decided to stab their saviours in the back to join with Russia supposed to be any different in that aspect?

The schizophrenia of the "muh muscovia" school of history will never cease to amaze me.

>>17785476
>this much cope
Holy shit you are like those mestizos that cry about muh rape and LARP about mih ancient civilizations instead of embracing your mutt rape turk genes

>>17785805
>Stop arguing history on /his/