Thread 17786917

Why the fuck do protestants bitch and moan endlessly about Catholics having beautiful churches and cathedrals decorated with gold and precious stones when that is EXACTLY how God wants His places of worship to be like?

Have any of them read the description of the Tabernacle or the Jerusalem temple? Do they know that they were build following GOD'S DIRECT INSTRUCTIONS ON HOW TO MAKE THEM? The Jerusalem temple had GOLD-PLATED WALLS, with gold statules of cherubim and the Ark of the Covenant made of PURE GOLD, the High Priest wore gold and precious stones. WHY THE FUCK DO THEY NEVER BITCH ABOUT THAT?

Compared to that Catholic churches and cathedrals are rather modest. Why are protestants (and atheists for that matter, since they're basically just godless protestants) such cunts about this? Why do they heckle Catholics about this demanding that they sell it all away to feed "muh poor" people? Why do they act as if having beautiful places of worship reserved for God is something Catholics should feel ashamed of?

>>17786917 (OP)
>You shall overlay it with PURE GOLD, inside and outside shall you overlay it, and you shall make on it a molding of GOLD around it. You shall cast four rings of gold for it and put them on its four feet, two rings on the one side of it, and two rings on the other side of it. You shall make poles of acacia wood and overlay them with GOLD. And you shall put the poles into the rings on the sides of the ark to carry the ark by them. The poles shall remain in the rings of the ark; they shall not be taken from it. And you shall put into the ark the testimony that I shall give you. “You shall make a mercy seat of PURE GOLD. Two cubits and a half shall be its length, and a cubit and a half its breadth. And you shall make two cherubim of GOLD; of hammered work shall you make them, on the two ends of the mercy seat.

Exodus 25:11-18

>You shall overlay it with PURE GOLD and make a molding of GOLD around it. And you shall make a rim around it a handbreadth wide, and a molding of GOLD around the rim. And you shall make for it four rings of GOLD, and fasten the rings to the four corners at its four legs. Close to the frame the rings shall lie, as holders for the poles to carry the table. You shall make the poles of acacia wood, and overlay them with GOLD, and the table shall be carried with these. And you shall make its plates and dishes for incense, and its flagons and bowls with which to pour drink offerings; you shall make them of PURE GOLD. And you shall set the bread of the Presence on the table before me regularly.

Exodus 25:24-30

>>17786917 (OP)
I am the temple of God, and His Spirit dwells within me.

>demanding that they sell it all away to feed "muh poor" people

Especially since the Catholic church is LITERALLY the world's largest charitable organization.

>>17786923
>“You shall make a lampstand of PURE GOLD. The lampstand shall be made of hammered work: its base, its stem, its cups, its calyxes, and its flowers shall be of one piece with it.

Exodus 25:31

>Their calyxes and their branches shall be of one piece with it, the whole of it a single piece of hammered work of PURE GOLD. You shall make seven lamps for it. And the lamps shall be set up so as to give light on the space in front of it. Its tongs and their trays shall be of PURE GOLD. It shall be made, with all these utensils, out of a talent of PURE GOLD.

Exodus 25:36-39

>>17786929
Pride is a sin

>>17786931
>And you shall make fifty clasps of GOLD, and couple the curtains one to the other with the clasps, so that the tabernacle may be a single whole.

Exodus 26:6

>You shall overlay the frames with GOLD and shall make their rings of GOLD for holders for the bars, and you shall overlay the bars with GOLD.

Exodus 26:29

>And you shall hang it on four pillars of acacia overlaid with gold, with hooks of GOLD, on four bases of SILVER.

Exodus 26:32

>And you shall make for the screen five pillars of acacia, and overlay them with GOLD. Their hooks shall be of GOLD, and you shall cast five bases of BRONZE for them.

Exodus 26:37

>>17786940
The BRONZE Altar:

>You shall make the altar of acacia wood, five cubits long and five cubits broad. The altar shall be square, and its height shall be three cubits. And you shall make horns for it on its four corners; its horns shall be of one piece with it, and you shall overlay it with BRONZE. You shall make pots for it to receive its ashes, and shovels and basins and forks and fire pans. You shall make all its utensils of BRONZE. You shall also make for it a grating, a network of BRONZE, and on the net you shall make four BRONZE rings at its four corners. And you shall set it under the ledge of the altar so that the net extends halfway down the altar. And you shall make poles for the altar, poles of acacia wood, and overlay them with BRONZE.

Exodus 27:1-6

>>17786923
>>17786931
>>17786940
>>17786947
There are so many more verses mentioning gold, silver and bronze, but I think I've made my point..

Prontestants, what is your response?

>>17786935
PRIDE? Bitch, I'm just stating FACTS!

>>17786917 (OP)
Are Catholics the Modern day Pharisees?

>>17786948
>>17786960
They are the Romans

>>17786960
Did the Pharisees decide the design of the Tabernacle and the Jerusalem temple, or was it God?

Did Jesus demand the gold of the temple to be torn down and given away to the poor?

>>17786960
No. That's something only stupid people say with no logic behind it.

>>17786960
>p-pharisee!

>>17786963
lol, you can't tell the difference between Romanesque, Roman, Gothic, and Baroque.

>>17786970
>>17786968
The church would crucify Christ Himself

>>17786917 (OP)
>God wanted His Temple in Jerusalem a certain way, therefore all churches have to be like that as well
That's just an assumption you've made

>>17786976
I can just make things up too. Look: "Eating Spaghett-Os makes you trackable by satellite." There. I did it.

>>17786963
>>17786929
How much child molestation occurred there?

>>17786980
>>God wanted His Temple in Jerusalem a certain way, therefore all churches have to be like that as well
None of them are exactly like the Jerusalem temple, as a matter of fact I can't think of a single church that has gold-plated walls, all of them pale in comparison to the Jerusalem Temple.

But the point is that if God is pleased with the design of the Jerusalem Temple, then surely there is nothing wrong with Catholic churches which are not even as ostentatious.

>>17786985
Less than in the Southern Baptist Convention.

Catholic vs Protestant thread #1317448

How boring. What's next, posting that Chick Tract?

>>17786993
>What's next, posting that Chick Tract?
What?

>>17786993
Actually it's thread #17786917

Get it right.

>>17786989
>then surely there is nothing wrong with Catholic churches which are not even as ostentatious
What are you basing that leap on? I don't see how God being pleased with His Temple in Jerusalem means he's pleased with churches like it. Maybe he wanted just His Temple built like that; how do you know it extends to churches nowadays?

>>17786994
Jack Chick, the infamous tract writer, once befriended a con-man who claimed that he was a Jesuit and that the Jesuits created Islam. He has a wide number of anti-catholic tracts that make absurd claims instead of just reading what Catholic actually believe.

>>17786917 (OP)
>Why the fuck do protestants bitch and moan endlessly about Catholics having beautiful churches and cathedrals decorated with gold and precious stones
Its not what they have, its how they got it. Who do you think pays for that?

>>17787002
The same place megachurches get enough money for football stadium churches.

>>17787000
>What are you basing that leap on?
Logic.

>>17787003
>>17786990
So both churches are false?

>>17787005
What law(s) of logic?

>>17787002
>Who do you think pays for that?
Donations? You know that we're all commanded to give 10 percent to the church, right?

>>17787009
The law of non-retardation.

>>17787010
You're commanded to give 10 percent of your mind to God at any given moment. He couldn't care less about money

>>17787022
>You're commanded to give 10 percent of your mind to God at any given moment.
Chapter and verse, please.
>He couldn't care less about money
The money's not for Him, prottie, it's for the church.

>>17787024
God is all about entering within your own mind where He dwells in nothingness. Even ten percent of your attention dedicated to Him in the present moment, He adores. You should try sitting in silence and empty your self to be filled by Him alone.

>>17787037
>God is all about entering within your own mind-
Gnostic.

Into the fire you go, heretic.

>>17787043
>But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret

>And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

>>17787051
Gnostics misusing Scripture, as usual.

>>17787043
BTW. This diagram was created by Meister Eckhart, and his writings have been approved of by the Catholic Church! And what do you think the Interior Castle is?
>>17787037

>>17787054
>>17787043
Lol, you really are a Pharisee
>For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

>>17787055
>This diagram was created by Meister Eckhart-
I know who that is, anon. He was one step away from being a heretic.
> and his writings have been approved of by the Catholic Church!
Barely, his writings are to be approached with extreme caution, since it can be so easily misused like you are.

>>17787054
>>17787043
Sorry you have to learn this, but God speaks through the mind and dreams, not crusty men in gilded robes!
>And thine ears shall hear a word behind thee, saying, This is the way, walk ye in it, when ye turn to the right hand, and when ye turn to the left.

>>17787067
You know there was also this Arab guy in the 7th century running around who also thought God was speaking to him, don't remember the name though....

>>17786917 (OP)
None of these Jewish temples ever existed there is zero proof

>>17787084
https://www.discovermagazine.com/planet-earth/was-king-solomons-temple-a-real-place

>>17786948
Jesus didn't give Saint Peter specific instructions on the construction/layout/interior design of the Vatican, so cherrypicking examples from the OT and using that as a basis for the lavish decorations of cathedrals doesn't really work.

>>17787158
Who needs an excuse to glorify god through art?

>>17786917 (OP)
the Temple in jerusalem was God's palace on earth, the physical location God made His earthly home and is no longer relevant (see the curtain dividing the holy of holies from the rest of the temple being ripped in half). the literal physical bodies of believers are the new temples since the Spirit is in us. continuing to waste huge amounts of money building fancy buildings instead of using that money for charity or missionary work is not what God wants

>>17787003
so we can agree that both megachurches and catholics are heretical?

>>17787158
>Jesus didn't give Saint Peter specific instructions on the construction/layout/interior design of the Vatican
So? Why is that necessary for us to create beautiful churches? The point is that God has set up a precedent, and the closer we stay from that precedent, the closer we are to pleasing God.
>cherrypicking examples from the OT
It's quite literally the one and only temple of God.

>>17787214
Why didn't Jesus command the Temple to be torn down in His first coming and the money be used to feed the poor? Why did He let the woman wash His fit with perfume?

>>17787226
1. so that it could be destroyed in 70 to punish Israel for its unbelief
2. Jesus explained why. if you read the bible yourself you would know this.
>Jesus said, “Leave her alone, so that she may keep it for the day of my burial. For the poor you always have with you, but you do not always have me.”
are you going around burying massive cathedrals because they will be gone in a few days?

>>17787221
It's a very specific set of instructions, not a vague line commanding that all places of worship be lavishly decorated and seems to be another example of OT quotemining.

What's the catholic opinion on shellfish and other dietary prohibitions? Covered by the new covenant right?

I wonder what the proper conversion rate is between aesthetically pleasing architecture and unameliorated poverty. At least for me, I think there is one, since if I had to choose between 1. being homeless/sick/dying young and 2. deleting all the nice cathedrals in the world so that no one can enjoy them anymore, I would definitely rather go with 1. But maybe I'm an odd one out and most people *would* sooner delete all the nice cathedrals than suffer themselves.

The temple in Jerusalem could only be entered by Levite priests. The common Jew would never see what was inside.