Thread 17788723

How much Hebrew is actually ancient, like pre 500BC? Zero. We have no evidence of jews even existing before the elephantine papyri. No references. No court documents, plays or treatises of any kind. So personally, I do not believe in the jewish story, looks like the majority of the language is fabricated Yiddishy words.

Is there a list anywhere of the words which we know for sure have survived the test of time? I know some ba

>>17788723 (OP)

Whoops I forgot I didn’t finish this thought. Basically I am just looking for ancient Hebrew words that are provably from the Jewish tradition

>>17788723 (OP)
The Old Testament

>>17788736

It’s written in Greek and there are no older biblical texts than Greek ones. The Old Testament is also not even old. It was “translated” around 2-300 BC. It claims to be ancient, and maybe it is, but I don’t see the evidence on that yet

>>17788723 (OP)
If you actually research the ancient Israelites you’ll find out the following.
>Absolutely zero evidence of anything happening in the book of Exodus in real life, no evidence of the patriarchs such as Abraham and Isaac and Jacob.
>No evidence that the Israelites were ever in Egypt, let alone enslaved
>No evidence of the conquest of Canaan by Joshua
>Jerusalem by the iron age was only a tiny hill country town and never a capital
>Earliest mentioning of the Israelites as a people or nation was on some Egyptian stone marble in the late 13th century bc, nothing discovered prior to that date
>God was originally Yahweh and then in before was a god named El and was part of a pagan cult of the Canaanite pantheon
>Israelite kingdom only showed up in the 10th or 9th century bc
>Regularly practiced Yahwism where God had a consort named Asherah
>Only started actually being monotheistic after returning from exile in Babylon and establishing a second temple
This means that Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are all worshipping a god that has its roots in typical Canaanite polytheism, and therefore all three are false.

>>17788723 (OP)
There are Assyrian documents from the 800s BC that mention Israelite kings, and a Moabite inscription that mentions Israel and their god YHWH.

840 BC
>Now as for Omri, King of Israel, he oppressed Moab for many days
because Kemosh was angry with his land. And his son succeeded him,
and he also said: "I will oppress Moab." It was during my days that he said th(is),
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesha_Stele

839 BC
>I received the payment of Baʾal-manzēr of Tyre (and) Jehu (Iāūa) of (Bīt-)Ḫumrî (Israel; lit. “son of Omri”).
https://oracc.museum.upenn.edu/riao/Q004615

730 BC
>Mi]tinti of the land Ashkelon, Jehoahaz of the land Judah, Qauš-malaka of the land Edom
https://oracc.museum.upenn.edu/riao/Q003460_project-en.25?srch=s.sbHErK

>>17788741
Wasn't the old testament Hebrew and the new was Greek?

>>17788723 (OP)
>elephantine papyri

Even then it's not really "jewish". It makes references to a deity with a similar name that was probably already worshiped elsewhere.

>>17788741
The oldest Old Testament manuscripts in any language are the Dead Sea scrolls
>>17789467
Yes. There was a very influential Greek translation called the Septuagint, which is probably the source of his confusion.

>>17788741
Basically you just summed it up.

>>17789467
No, according to the early church fathers and Josephus, assuming you think it's a real source, the Greek Septuagint was the first ever collected written version. The Dead Sea Scrolls were originally dated to around 70 AD, but some have tried to push them back to a few decades after the Septuagint. But then that assumes you think the DSS are real. Even so, they would be younger.

>>17789477
>But then that assumes you think the DSS are real
Haven't heard this schizo conspiracy theory yet

>>17789480
You haven't heard of it, but you've made up your mind about it?

>>17789480
When he said
>This means that Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are all worshipping a god that has its roots in typical Canaanite polytheism, and therefore all three are false
I became disappointed with his take

>>17789483
Sure, similar to flat earthism in that sense

>>17789491
Why do you think it's impossible for them to be forged?

>>17789492
Because it's baseless schizo garbage without relation to reality

>>17789494
But what if we have found them to be forged?

And what if the lion's share of the DSS were found by Kando sr. who is a known artifact forger? His son even entered the business. Would that change your calculus?

And what if numerous other collections also found fakes, and that explains why the government of Israel refuses to allow its own collections to be tested anymore?

https://michaellanglois.org/publications/faux-manuscrits-de-la-mer-morte-dans-la-collection-schoyen/

https://poj.peeters-leuven.be/content.php?url=issue&journal_code=RQ&issue=1&vol=31

And what if we found that the entire OT was a series of plagiarizations and frauds?

>>17789497
We didn't. Take your meds

>>17789528
We did though. That's universally acknowledged now. And we've known for a century and a half that there would be nothing there. The caves themselves have been completely flooded multiple times.

>>17789497
Your pic literally contradicts you, schizo.
>>17789499
How did he know to omit vowel pointing?

>>17789536
>literally contradicts you
They're giving them the benefit of the doubt. You have to assume every other collection is valid,but none outside Israel have been. Hence why I added the another collection here:>>17789506

>>17789536
>How did he know to omit vowel pointing
It was common knowledge in that time that diacritics were invented by Syriacs. It's why so many Israeli forgeries were found in the 19th century.

>>17789015

What about these? I’m willing to change my belief on this one but too tired right now to really do a deep dive on them.