Thread 17789917 - /his/ [Archived: 714 hours ago]

Anonymous
6/25/2025, 8:22:20 AM No.17789917
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Why did the British Empire give up it's European heritage, colonial empire and national sovereignty for the Polish Corridor?
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 8:24:48 AM No.17789922
>>17789917 (OP)
Why did Nazi Germany erase 400 years of European dominance over a 20 year old scoreboard and dubious land claims in the east?
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 8:25:55 AM No.17789926
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Britain would have lost her sovereignty and become a German satellite had they let the Nazis keep getting away with everything.
But you would have no problem with it.
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 8:29:27 AM No.17789930
>>17789922
Because Germans are super special good boys that just NEEDED more and all the other Europeans were mean for not giving them what they wanted.
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 8:37:19 AM No.17789945
>>17789917 (OP)
They were brainwashed to think Slavs are white
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 11:03:58 AM No.17790067
>>17789922
>400 years of European dominance
Where'd you get that number from? They didn't even get "full coverage" until extremely late.
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 11:11:55 AM No.17790074
>>17789922
You think it was Nazi Germany who said that colonies are immoral?
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 2:20:28 PM No.17790311
>>17789945
Slavs are white though.
Currently they're the white race's only hope.
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 2:24:09 PM No.17790315
>>17790067
Europe began to directly overtake other retards by the 16th century after discovering America.
>>17790074
Nobody said anything about morality. Learn to read, retarded ESL.
Anonymous
6/25/2025, 3:51:17 PM No.17790445
>Why didnt everyone give Hitler everything he ever wanted
>Thread #9001
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 5:25:33 PM No.17790586
>>17789922
>>17790445
>whataboutism
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 5:32:28 PM No.17790599
>>17789922
>Prussia and Silesia
>"dubious"
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 5:36:21 PM No.17790606
>>17790586
So why shouldn't Britian have honored a defense treaty? This is a question that directly pertains to OP topic of discussion.
>inb4 "because.....just let Germany have what they want ok?"
>>17790599
Prussiapes lost.
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 5:49:35 PM No.17790639
>>17790606
they can do as they wish, outsiders can still judge their actions using their superpower of retrospect

in the end they didn't even honor the defense treaty since USSR swallowed not only poland but half of europe, meaning that if "honouring our treaty with poland" was the intention, it was all for nothing

had it been any other setting, historians and analysts would almost certainly perceive this as an unprecedented disaster that proved to be the end of the british empire, but for this setting we have "nazis" therefore everyone's IQ drops by 100 points
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 5:50:44 PM No.17790642
>>17789922
who was the one who kept insisting on continuing the war?
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 5:53:00 PM No.17790646
>>17790642
hitler by not capitulating unconditionally
Anonymous
6/25/2025, 6:15:56 PM No.17790685
>>17789917 (OP)
Iirc didn’t France declare war too? Why is it that you fags can only seethe about Britain?
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 6:21:26 PM No.17790696
>>17790606
"Poland" does not exist. Return the stolen German land
Anonymous
6/25/2025, 6:28:56 PM No.17790717
>>17790639
>judge their actions using their superpower of retrospect
It's dumb as hell because no one could have predicted 1945 in 1939. Not Britain, not Germany.

>if "honouring our treaty with poland" was the intention, it was all for nothing
Britain actually wanted to continue the war to kick out the Soviets (a mess Hitler created first with Ribbentrop Pact and later with Barbarossa), but they were too exhausted to do so at that point.
The whole "it was all for nothing" -argument can be equally applied to the Germans. Why invade Poland when they should have known the 1945 outcome? Why not immediately pull back to Germany, sue for peace, and throw NSDAP in jail, the minute Britain and France declared war? Wouldnt the fate of Europe be worth it?
Ultimately this argument of pointing fingers is just going to never make a full stop. The main argument is that everyone should just have appeased Hitler otherwise the consequences will be their fault. Somehow.

>had it been any other setting, historians and analysts would almost certainly perceive this as an unprecedented disaster
75% of all wars did not go as predicted and hurt the attacker as much as the defender. Yet states refuse to back down even with this knowledge because it would be an even more crazy policy to do so.
Here are some examples:

Thirty years Wars = Initiated: The Habsburg hegemony / Oucome: Habsburg power greatly weakened.
Spanish War of Succession = Initiated: The French hegemony / Oucome: French power greatly weakened.
Seven Years War = Initiated: Prussia / Oucome: Prussia gained nothing and lost a great chunk of its population.
War of Fourth Coalition = Initiated: Prussia / Oucome: Prussia lost nearly half of its territory (given to Russia even at the conclusion of the Napolonic wars in 1815).
Great Northern War = Initiated: Denmark-Norway, Poland-Lithuania, Saxony / Outcome: new Russian hegemony in Eastern Europe.

Now ask yourself; if Putin invaded a NATO member, how would NATO respond?
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 6:39:40 PM No.17790735
>>17790685
Neonazis have largely moved on from outright holocaust denial, the new strategy is to whitewash the nazis by saying that everyone was bad, usually by shifting all the blame to Churchhill.
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 6:47:28 PM No.17790759
>>17790735
The thing that always gets me is that the losing of heritage and sovereignty only came because of events after the war and Europeans dropping the ball. You could oppose a country from dominating you while still rejecting mass nigger immigration. Like in America, the major pieces of legislation that ruined the country came 20 years later and could have been opposed.
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 6:47:47 PM No.17790760
>>17790311
True. I can't wait to be replaced by Polack Bvlls
Anonymous
6/25/2025, 6:52:22 PM No.17790765
>>17790759
>You could oppose a country from dominating you while still rejecting mass nigger immigration.
I'm 100% in agreement, but good luck telling these people that. All they want to do is historical revisionism and conspiracy theories, and if you don't buy into it then you're 100% JIDF libcuck ZOG shill pro-trans kids etc etc.
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 6:57:54 PM No.17790774
>>17790765
Most of Europe and North America were vehemently racist in the 1930s and led by nationalist governments.

That's why the west would have been better off without Hitlers chimpout which only gave ammuniation to the cultural marxists. This is what stormfags dont understand. It would have been better for everyone without Hitler, including for them.
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 7:02:19 PM No.17790782
>>17790735
more like tranglofagsons sperg out whenever their genocide slaver empire is criticized by saying anyone who doesn't love it is a neo nazi 100 year old german and simultaneously a bangladeshi jeet who identifies as irish american
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 7:06:46 PM No.17790793
>>17790765
I will concede that Britain’s situation was dire and handled very poorly. But the end result seems to be two options: fight and run the chance of becoming America’s lap dog or, their option, just submit and become Germany’s lap dog. What great options. I don’t think Germany is evil pike the typical narrative, and they and Hitler even had good points, but even under a Hitler worldview, it makes no sense for other nations to just submit and accept domination from a different nation, not when the other nation is in a position to resist. From this viewpoint, the sacrifices of all involved should be viewed as honorable. The sacrifices of the Allies for their nations is only tragic in hindsight, realizing that their kids threw it all away for nothing and took the propaganda too seriously.
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 7:13:03 PM No.17790807
>>17790782
>genocide slaver empire
SAAAAARS
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 7:24:01 PM No.17790820
>>17790793
I have the benefit of hindsight so I'm not going to pretend I would have made any better calls with the information and available and the mindset at the time. What I do know is that it was by a long shot the single most deadly conflict in the world and it did irreversible damage to European nationalism and contributed to the mess we're in today.
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 8:24:34 PM No.17790900
>>17789926
but Britain did become a satellite state in our timeline, just of America (which also forced them to decolonize) instead of Germany
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 8:26:44 PM No.17790907
>>17789922
This is like trying to guilt trip someone by blaming them in your suicide note, Germany didn't force any European country to decolonize. You're just mad about all the dead jews.
Anonymous
6/25/2025, 8:28:26 PM No.17790911
>>17789926
This is like trying to guilt trip someone by blaming them in your suicide note, Germany didn't force any European country to decolonize or become liberal. You're just butthurt about all the dead jews.
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 8:29:57 PM No.17790916
>>17790911
meant for >>17789922
Anonymous
6/25/2025, 8:31:10 PM No.17790921
>>17790911
Germany forced the hands of their allies and fucked them over when they didn't comply or tried pull out of the suicide pact.
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 8:34:26 PM No.17790932
>>17790921
I don't get it, how did Germany force Britain's hand to decolonize and become liberal? And why would the alternative (letting Germany run roughshod on eastern europe) have been worse for Britain than what happened IRL?
Anonymous
6/25/2025, 8:39:01 PM No.17790945
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>>17790911
>Germany didn't force any European country to decolonize or become liberal.
Yes they did. They and their buddies chipped away at European colonial territories in Africa and the Pacific.
>You're just butthurt about all the dead jews.
I would vanish every last jew on Earth if it meant the European empires of yesteryear would still be around. Again, you can't defend Nazi Germany outside this retarded paradigm that involves jews.
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 8:51:33 PM No.17790965
>>17790945
>Germany: occupied some European colonies during a war, had no intention of strongarming Britain or France into giving their natives independence or accepting 3rd world economic migrants
vs
>The US: pressured every European power to grant their colonies independence on ideological grounds, spread liberalism globally

These are two very different things and you know it. I reiterate: how would a world where Germany won be worse for Britain than a world where Germany lost? Sure, in both cases the UK ends up someone's bitch, but the price to pay in our timeline seems the steeper one. I don't even know what motivates you to have this bizarre "I'm racist but root for liberalism" worldview, I can only suppose it's some weird contrarian thing to the own le polackz or whatever.
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 8:56:44 PM No.17790977
>>17790945
>Again, you can't defend Nazi Germany outside this retarded paradigm that involves jews.
Germany entered the war to reincorporate territories inhabited by ethnic Germans, there isn't a single better reason for one country to attack another than this.
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 9:03:18 PM No.17790994
>>17790793
>>17790820

Honestly, Britains decision is more reasonable when you dont apply hindsight.

In 1939 Britain and France had an overwhelming advantage over Germany and the war was believed to be an easy fight.
Britain and France controlld 1/3 of the entire world and had the rest of the world at their disposal, unlike Germany whom would be blockaded from day 1.
Britain and France needed time to mobilize all their production, manpower and resources, but in time they would completely outweight Germany.
As for armaments, Germany was heavily inferior. The backbone of their tanks were vastly inferior to the powerful French tanks, and both Britain and France were nearly completely motorized.
Germany had head start in 1938-1939 but by 1940 France was already outproducing Germany in aircrafts.

The German generals themselves believed any fight against Britain and France would be futile. Hitler knew he was in trouble when Britain and France declared war, and he knew that the extremely risky Ardenne offensive was his only shot at having the slightest chance of any kind of victory, tho most German generals objected to the Ardenne offensive because it was a mad gamble that required every star to be aligned for success.

The allied gameplan was simply, isolate Germany by blockade and starve her of food, oil and iron. Wait and outproduce Germany in especially aircrafts, then bomb the German industry in the Ruhr (which was only minutes away from French airfields and thus had little warning), and have French and British divisions brace for any desperate attack by the Germans behind strong French fortifications and Belgian rivers.

Neither Britain nor France expected a world war, they believed it would be localized conflict primarily in Belgium. It wasnt until after the fall of France and the entry of Italy that there was an understanding in Britain that the war would be long, costly and expanding.
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 9:06:57 PM No.17791005
>>17790977
>Germany entered the war to reincorporate territories inhabited by ethnic Germans

Turned out to be bullshit after Hitler took Czechia.
Him taking Czechia was a critical reason why no one believed Hitler when he said "only Danzig" a few days later.

Then, when Poland was defeated, he proceeded to take Polish majority land and cities upon victory. Screw "only Danzig".
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 9:09:23 PM No.17791014
>>17789922
They didnt, they lost the war while fighting to preserve European racial dominance.
>20 year old
more like 1200 year old scoreboard
>dubious
its not dubious, the lands held by Poles were German, these tracts were granted to German families and then this private property was taken from them by Poland because Poles were numerous like roaches.
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 9:14:27 PM No.17791030
>>17791014
>while fighting to preserve European racial dominance.
All they did was massacre other Europeans.
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 9:25:56 PM No.17791062
>>17789922
>>N-n-no you!!
>>17789926
They lost it to a former colony instead.
>>17789930
>>17790445
>Danzig/sudeten=irrendentism
>>Sits on 1/4 of the globe’s soil
>>17790606
Why hand out war guarantees over nothing burgers that you never planned to honor?
>>17790759
>>17790765
You “won” didn’t you? This is the bed you made up. So why shun responsibility for the ripple effects? Can’t have your cake and eat it too.
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 9:29:15 PM No.17791070
>>17789926
>getting away with everything
what they got away with:
>a smaller version of Imperial Germany that was pro-British
Whoah.... so this is 1066D chess.... at last I truly see
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 9:32:21 PM No.17791081
>>17790445
I mean when Hitler's sole desires are a pro-British Prussia like what existed 30 years prior, well.... yes.... Why not give him what he wanted? He clearly was aligned with the interests of the British man.

We see what happened with Hitler's defeat, Britain became a totalitarian shithole under the watchful gaze of the very people who to this day still shriek about Hitler this Hitler that, on top of it the British are being raped to death.
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 9:51:31 PM No.17791131
>>17790994
You are applying hindsight. The British and French knew a war of any kind would be catastrophic, they pulled the trigger anyway because of the pro war lobby orchestrated by jews.

It’s exactly what we see in America today.
Before the midpoint of this century is out, the pro-war jewish lobby will have bled the American empire of its Life and Treasure for the sake of jewish interests. You are watching it happen in real time and in 2125 some fucking moron will say “well America could easily dunk of Iran, they had every reason to believe they could, Iran was being unreasonable, the Ayatollah was heckin crazy.”

(You) should be shot because you are not only a sucker but you will rationalize the bullshit reasons fed to you and then spread this to others. You are the definition of anti-knowledge.
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 9:52:36 PM No.17791135
>>17791062
>>Sits on 1/4 of the globe’s soil
Not a good thing either. You think that's a *gotcha*
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 9:55:29 PM No.17791145
>>17791005
Hitler didn’t “take” “Czechia” you fucking gorilla.
Hacha, president of Czechoslovakia (discontinued), ASKED HITLER TO BE INCORPORATED INTO THE REICH.
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 9:56:09 PM No.17791146
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>>17791070
>>a smaller version of Imperial Germany
Hitler went wanted to and did go way beyond Germany's old borders and wasn't satisfied with being anything less than Germany being the master of Europe
>>that was pro-British
Lol. Fucking lmao.
Germany fucked over all of her allies when their self-interests conflicted with Germany's. What the hell makes you think he wouldn't have done the same with Britain?
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 9:58:58 PM No.17791154
>>17790994
/his/ mentality
>>17791131
/pol/ mentality
Anonymous
6/25/2025, 10:03:27 PM No.17791165
>>17789917 (OP)
Something simething something Jews
Anonymous
6/25/2025, 10:15:55 PM No.17791188
>>17791131
>The Hitler knew a war of any kind would be catastrophic, hepulled the trigger anyway because of the pro war lobby orchestrated by jews.
fixed
Anonymous
6/25/2025, 10:28:04 PM No.17791216
>>17791135
His /pol/fag brain cannot comprehend that Britain and France opposed Germany for geopolitical reasons.
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 10:29:06 PM No.17791220
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>>17791145
Ok.
Anonymous
6/25/2025, 10:34:01 PM No.17791233
>>17791135
>>17791216
Then why do you keep bringing up territorial pretexts? Also geopolitically Britain and France fared a lot better about a century ago than they do today after their so called victory. So glad we’re on one page.
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 10:40:42 PM No.17791257
>>17790977
could do population swap like he did with italy or ussr
and then he still attacked ussr after population swap
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 11:00:25 PM No.17791307
>>17791062
>You “won” didn’t you? This is the bed you made up. So why shun responsibility for the ripple effects? Can’t have your cake and eat it too.
Explain how Hitler’s defeat necessarily requires the otherwise very racist and anti-semetic west to degenerate into what it is now. The west didn’t lose with Hitler. It lost 20 years later in the 1960s when baby boomers slopped up all the lies. There’s no reason we had to get here because Hitler lost. Would a Hitler win avoid this? Probably, but a Hitler loss didn’t guarantee what has happened since.
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 11:01:25 PM No.17791309
>>17791005
>majority polish land
Which was owned by Germans, the deeds to those properties didn’t magically evaporate when Poland demanded to be recognized.
The Germans wanted to stop at Danzig but no one would hear them out. The fact they took more than Danzig is a product of them being successful beyond Danzig more so than revealing any secret German designs on the east. Furthermore, the fact they didn’t annex ALL of non-Russian Poland should clue you in they didn’t actually want to expand they only wanted to restore certain parts of Prussia.
Also they were far far too lenient in their demands. Poland stole half of Silesia which was entirely built by German labor and capital.
Poles are menace, they are today, they were then. It is on (You) to prove your special pleading case for Poland being anything other than a rogue expansionist state run by a Junta.
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 11:06:00 PM No.17791325
>>17791233
Ever heard of a pyrrhic victory?
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 11:13:39 PM No.17791347
>>17791307
Because there are only so many powers in the world and therefore it quickly turns into a zero sum game. A golem led world order was always going to turn out like what we have today and there was one person who tried to avert this but alas.
>>17791325
Ever heard of how Epyhrus ended up?
Anonymous
6/25/2025, 11:19:47 PM No.17791362
>>17790606
We can see how catastrophic it was that Britain did honor this last minute myopic treaty.
Anonymous
6/25/2025, 11:22:17 PM No.17791368
>>17789917 (OP)
Why did Germany give the USSR half of Europe?
Anonymous
6/25/2025, 11:26:48 PM No.17791379
>>17791309
>Which was owned by Germans, the deeds to those properties didn’t magically evaporate when Poland demanded to be recognized.
Not how it works. Sweden doesnt automatically gets claim on Finland because Finland was a part of Sweden once. Britain does not get claim on Ireland because Ireland was part of Britain once. Turkey does not get claim on Greece because it was part of Turkey once.

>The Germans wanted to stop at Danzig but no one would hear them out.
They could have stopped at Danzig, but invaded all of Poland instead

>The fact they took more than Danzig is a product of them being successful beyond Danzig more so than revealing any secret German designs on the east.
More like reducing Poland to a small client state that could be dominated, similar to Czechia. The fact that they feared the same fate as Czechia is a fundemental reason why Hitlers "only Danzig" demand (which grew into more and more demands during the course of 1939) was met with suspicion. Maybe bad timing for Hitler to push for more territory so soon after Czechia?

>Also they were far far too lenient in their demands.
Everyone was far too lenient on their demands in 1918.

>Poles are menace, they are today, they were then.
Why should anyone listen to you, an amerimutt, telling people about Europeans.

>It is on (You) to prove your special pleading case for Poland
I honestly dont care about Poland. I just disagree with you from a fundementally rationally logical position that I have come to after multiple debates, and you've failed to present any convincing arguments yet, despite debating this for a living.
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 11:27:43 PM No.17791382
>>17790717
>not Britain not Germany
uhh except they did.
Germany, Hitler, correctly predicted even a British victory would see the end of Britain as a state, empire, and the end of European independence.
People DID predict 1945 in 1939, they were predicting 1945 as early as 1937.
>Britain wanted something
so what? Britain didnt do it.
>A mess Hitler created
The MRP is not what caused Soviet expansion, the Soviet desire to expand is what caused Soviet expansion.
>Barbarossa caused Soviet expansion
LOL
>applied to the Germans
NOPE
The Germans actually fought against organized jewry, against communism, against the USSR, against American intervention.
>why invade Poland when they should have known 1945
THEY INVADED POLAND BECAUSE TEHY DID KNOW 1945.
They thought they would win, idiot. No one is saying they could predict the victors of 45 in 39, we are saying, correctly, they could predict what a German defeat would look like and the ramifications of it.
Germany knew their defeat would be catastrophic, they fought exceptionally hard to prevent this timeline, the British fought to ensure this timeline.
We can see how shortsighted and foolish the British decision was.
>why not immediately pull back to Germany
They tried on the second fucking day before Britain even entered the war, Britain declined a peace conference on behalf of Poland for a war Britain was not yet even involved in.
>throw the NSDAP in jail
for what? The crime of being Just, moral, and politically realistic?
If the NSDAP should be jailed then Poland should be ripped apart and the leadership of France, Britain, the USSR, and USA should be strung up.
>the fate of Europe
Germany fought against the fate of Europe, Britain fought for it.
They didnt know who would win but they did know a German defeat and British victory would see the current outcome we have now.
>argument
argument? Its about the facts.
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 11:28:38 PM No.17791385
>>17791257
I never argued that Hitler was perfect, I still have yet to read a good answer as to why the Nazis should be held accountable for post-war Britain's blues. Did Anglo politicians really lack the foresight to understand that a prolonged war would exhaust their empire, embolden anti-colonial liberals at home (plus nationalists in the colonies themselves), and make the country dependent on America? On some level they must have understood that fighting Germany would cost them the empire, they chose to do so anyway for reasons of hubris.
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 11:33:21 PM No.17791393
>>17790717
>appease Hitler
It worked in the case of the US and USSR, if appeasement is on the table at all, appeasing Hitler is the least damaging to Europe and the White race.
Furthermore, there was no appeasement anyway, Britain inserting itself into German affairs and demanding and threatening Germany to govern German foreign policy is not appeasement.
We saw what that looked like two weeks ago and the United States bombed the shit out of the country that tried to argue with us over our foreign affairs.
Germany would be well within their rights to drop Sarin on London in 1938 when those morons threatened Germany demanding to govern German-Czech relations.

Using Today's rules-based order (which I dont even agree with personally) as a standard, Britain was WAY out of line.
>75% of wars did not go as predicted
??????????
no one is talking about predicting the winner you fucking moron, we are talking about predictions based on who wins.
If Britain wins, World jewry conquers Europe, this was apparent to everyone in Central Europe and many people in Britain itself and abroad.
If Germany wins, Europe is free, perhaps totally free from the pernicious influence of organized jewry.
>If Putin invaded a NATO member how would NATO respond
Vance has already hedged bets by saying Article 5 does not require NATO members to respond militarily.
The way the wind is blowing, NATO would cut off a country like Poland or Finland while preserving a country like France or Britain.
That is just the reality of geopolitics with nukes.
Anonymous
6/25/2025, 11:37:29 PM No.17791403
>>17790735
>neonazis
this is your fantasy.
>outright holocaust denial
stating the objective facts about the holocaust such as "There is no hard evidence Gas Chambers were used as a mechanism for mass execution." is outright holocaust denial according to the official definition of the holocaust museum and according to the legislature of European countries with holocaust laws.
>everyone was bad
Everyone WAS bad, Germany was the least bad.
This is just a fact. It is important to get this right because it means the moral arguments which hinge on "well Hitler did this" are now hollow.
>>17790759
The loss of heritage and sovereignty came as a direct result of "DeNazification" being exported back onto the countries that defeated the Nazis.
Same methods, same people, same outcomes.
The reasoning is the nazis were so evil a concerted effort must be made to remove even the potential of the nazis, which turned into removing Whites for the purpose of preventing real or imagined crimes of Whites.
This was largely facilitated by the jews under the watch of the "conservative" impotents.
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 11:40:36 PM No.17791410
>>17789922
>over a 20 year old scoreboard
You have to go back to at least the 30 years war.
Anonymous
6/25/2025, 11:41:37 PM No.17791415
>>17790774
No, they werent, people even wrote about it then.
The United States was extremely liberal and the founding of the BSC and OSS was explicitly to prevent Right Wing political figures from attaining any kind of influence in the United States.
>racist
Do you think "we" worship "racism"?
Racism is a nonsensical term, it rarely goes beyond White-specific terms and definitions. it's just codespeak for anti-White.
>cultural marxists
If you couldnt oppose them alongside Hitler you could not oppose them at all, history has proven this.
>better off without Hitler
how? jewish power would have continued to expand, jewish intellectuals would have continued to infect Western academia, jewish moral decay would continue its corrosive effect on Western society.
Hitler was 12 years not a slave.

But go one, tell us how without Hitler there would have been a counter to semitic infiltration of the West.

Who is going to stop jewish influence in politics, academia, finance? Who would do it? go on, tell us!
Replies: >>17791444
Anonymous
6/25/2025, 11:42:38 PM No.17791417
>>17790807
Indians would be entirely localized to India if not for the British Empire FYI.
The British Imperial system is what first brought jeets to SEA, Africa, Europe, and America.
Anonymous
6/25/2025, 11:43:13 PM No.17791419
If Hitler was so smart he would've aided Finland in the Winter War instead of invading anti-Communist nations
Replies: >>17791500
Anonymous
6/25/2025, 11:44:47 PM No.17791423
>>17790965
>this bizarre "I'm racist but root for liberalism" worldview, I can only suppose it's some weird contrarian thing to the own le polackz
All it is, they think they are fighting a culture war by performative opposition to anything "chuds" (whatever that means) say.
Replies: >>17791485
Anonymous
6/25/2025, 11:49:20 PM No.17791435
>>17790774
Then why did we have a bunch of communist jewish spies in our nuclear program, a Germanicidal jewish secretary of the treasury with the ear of the president, and weaponize niggers like the Russians do chechens?
Anonymous
6/25/2025, 11:51:57 PM No.17791444
>>17791415
>it's just codespeak for anti-White.
>anti-white
Why try to create as persecution complex? Fucks sake I know actual Chinese SEA who actually face race riots who are less deranged then terminally online white guys
Replies: >>17791509
Anonymous
6/25/2025, 11:52:17 PM No.17791445
>>17791030
>Massacre other Europeans
Did these "Massacres" take place on the field of battle in defense of Germany and European liberty?
Yes they did.
>>17791146
>Hitler wanted to
nope.
>did
nope.
>wasnt satisfied
speculation
>Germany being master of Europe
like they are today.
>Germany fucked over its allies
name one example.
Germany was too friendly with their allies, they allowed Bulgaria, Hungary, and Romania to drag their feet, Hitler tolerated Mussolini's very foolish decision to directly oversee strategic planning in the Mediterranean.
Hitler allowed Franco (who literally wouldnt have gotten out of Morrocco alive without him) to sit out the war and run a very tired and very unserious country along a meanderingly useless path to "recovery".
>wouldnt have done the same with Britain
you mean be overtly lenient to Britain like he was with everyone else?
He would have.
not to mention Turkey declared on Germany after Germany spent two decades showing extreme favoritism to them in both trade and diplomacy.

Your post is just outright wrong, you are opposing me because you think I am racist or whatever. That is why you have no grasp of the facts, your opposition is performative and does not come from a place of knowledge.
Replies: >>17792102
Anonymous
6/25/2025, 11:55:04 PM No.17791456
>>17791216
and those reasons were retarded then just as they are now.
You have to defend them because the alternative is the obvious, there was a robust, transnational, jewish lobby working to bring the Anglosphere, Russosphere, and Francosphere to war against the Germanosphere.
and you can not admit that because
A: your jewish handlers wont allow you to (this is true for BAP guys in 8200)
B: it would mean Hitler was right (Polish and Anglo petty nationalists alike can not allow someone who fought against them to be right ever at all.)
Anonymous
6/25/2025, 11:57:25 PM No.17791463
>>17791307
Hitler's defeat lead to DeNazification, DeNazification was then exported outside of Germany and into the US, UK, France, all of Europe really, and using identical methods, deployed by the exact same people, for the exact same ends, the countries that DeNazified Germany were in turn De-Anglified, De-Frankified, DeAmericanized.

exchange "Nazi" for European/White and apply the same methods of DeNazification and we get the timeline we are currently in today.

That is how.
Replies: >>17792341 >>17792770
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 12:04:53 AM No.17791480
>>17791379
>not how it works
Yes, that is actually how it works.
>Sweden and Finland
irrelevant and totally different.
>Ireland and Britain
again, irrelevant and totally different.
Neither Britain or Sweden still had living members who owned property in Ireland and Finland respectively who's property was stolen, their families kicked from their homes or forced to live as second class citizens.

America invaded Mexico because American people, not even apart of America, held property in an area claimed by Mexico and we beat the shit out of Mexico over it AND we took more from Mexico than just where Americans lived.
This is just normal, its not unique, its not evil, its not exceptional, this is just how things work.
>They could have stopped at Danzig
THEY DID
THEY WERE DENIED A CONFERENCE
so they continued.
Why stop when your enemy wont? isnt that just asking for unnecessary casualties?
>reducing Poland to a small client state
actually it would have been larger than Poland is today but w/e.
>dominated
like Poland is today LOL
>Czechia
voluntarily joined the Reich.
>met with suspicion
it wasnt met with suspicion, I know (You) have narrowed your options to this line of reasoning, but this wasnt the reasoning the British government used. You dont know this because you dont know anything, you are trying to square a circle by rationalizing the irrational because you are missing fundamental pieces of information.
If they were suspicious and unwilling to trust Hitler, then why did they deliver an ultimatum to Hitler? If Hitler accepted would they still have gone to war anyway?
>1918
no, they werent too lenient and people at the time knew it.
You say this as a form of performative opposition, you think I am saying "Germany was too lenient" because I am German biased.
I am not, I am using precedents set by 1918 even by 2025 to make these determinations.
You dont know this because again, you are merely performing opposition, you dont actually have any grasp of the topic.
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 12:06:18 AM No.17791485
>>17791423
Yeah you're right, I see them getting angrier and angrier as chuds get a bigger piece of the zeitgeist pie. liberal millennials are unironically in their fuhrerbunker moment right now lol
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 12:07:44 AM No.17791491
>>17789917 (OP)
Because the British Empire was always going to fail, but it was better for Britain to remain independent than to get annexed by Germany.
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 12:07:46 AM No.17791492
>>17791379
>you cant talk about Europe unless you live in Europe
Right I cant say the Rape of England is horrific, disgusting, and wrong, unless I live in England.
I forgot, btw dont forget to renew your window license LMAO.
>I dont care about Poland
so what? you are still making a special plead for Poland.
>fundamentally rationally logical position
opposite, you are engaging in performative opposition which is why your rationalizations are always these convoluted special pleadings instead of coherent well founded arguments.
>multiple debates
These have been me educating you and you stating the opposite of what I say, this is why your arguments have become MORE convoluted over the past months, because your entire narrative rests on mirroring in negative everything I say because you think I am racist kkk nazi hitler man or whatever.
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 12:11:34 AM No.17791500
>>17791419
He did. America never ceased to continue funding the industrialization of the USSR.
Britain never once even went to war with the USSR.
Germany not only aided them in the Winter War, Germany threw the Redniks out of Europe proper while already fighting off the Anglo-jewish menace in the West.
Replies: >>17791542
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 12:14:21 AM No.17791509
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>>17791444
>White kids stabbed/raped/genocided by interracial violence
>non-Whites most affected
Replies: >>17791534
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 12:24:28 AM No.17791534
>>17791509
Proving my point.
Replies: >>17791712
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 12:31:05 AM No.17791542
>>17791500
>He did.
He did not. He put 10 times as much effort into sabotaging anti-communist powers as he did into resisting communism. Eastern Poland was given to the USSR on a silver platter, and Germany didn't declare war on the USSR until after they had already gotten their land from Finland in the Winter War.

If Germany was halfway intelligent they would've allied with the Czechs and Polish against the USSR instead and came to their aid during the Winter War.
Replies: >>17791712
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 1:44:39 AM No.17791712
>>17791534
Why arent Whites allowed to talk about their problems according to you?
You're anti-White.
>>17791542
>anti-Communist powers
When did Hitler invade the UK?
Did he overwhelm parts of the Commonwealth? The patchwork of anti-Communist nations?
How many anti-Communist Nations fell to Hitler compared to Communist Nations?
It wasnt England who drafted the Anti-Comintern Pact.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Comintern_Pact
>Eastern Poland was given to the USSR on a silver platter
yeah, by the UK who told the Poles to stand down and try not to fight the USSR lmao.
Then by the UK AGAIN who consigned Poland to half a century behind the iron curtain.
>Germany didnt declare war on the USSR until July 1941
Werent you in that other thread screeching about how Germany couldnt launch Barbarossa earlier save for by literal magic?
now it is said that Germany was in the wrong for not launching an invasion they werent prepared to launch ahead of its planned date.
Maybe its not you, ill pretend its not you, however I suspect it is because its the same style of posts where anything even vaguely not anti German is opposed.
>Germany would have allied with the Czechs and Poles against the USSR
They tried, that was one of the first things Hitler tried to orchestrate with Poland, Czechoslovakia did ask the USSR if theyd assist them in a war against Germany during the Sudete negotiation.

In any case, Hitler actually had the balls to throw down with the Red Army and they nearly won while Britain wouldnt even consider it despite the USSR being significantly weaker to external diplomatic and economic pressures.
>inb4 Hoi4 USSR economy meme
The USSR never became economically independent of the United States, not until the late 90s did these former SSRs have independent economies that could be sustained natively.
Replies: >>17791736
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 1:54:31 AM No.17791736
>>17791712
>How many anti-Communist Nations fell to Hitler compared to Communist Nations?
Nine anti-communist nations and zero communist nations. Not only that, Germany also supplied the USSR.

>that was one of the first things Hitler tried to orchestrate with Poland
By making irrational demands of them. Poland didn't need Germany's help defeating the Soviets, they had already defeated them before.

>In any case, Hitler actually had the balls to throw down with the Red Army and they nearly won
Germany was one of the worst at fighting the Soviets. The Polish had defeated the Soviets. The Finnish had a better track record against the Soviets. Hell, even the Afghans managed to defeat the Soviets. Germany was worse at fighting Soviets than illiterate goat herders in the middle east.
Replies: >>17791761
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 2:02:14 AM No.17791750
>>17790977
>Germany entered the war to reincorporate territories inhabited by ethnic Germans
LMFAO they actually believe this. Go back, Hans.
Replies: >>17791764
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 2:10:13 AM No.17791761
>>17791736
>nine
name them
>zero
Ukraine fell to Germany
Belarus fell to Germany
Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia fell to Germany.
Moldavia fell to Germany
many others would have fallen too if the Germans hadnt been getting bombed and blockaded by the British.
>Germany supplied the USSR
before beating the shit out of them so hard they reeled for 55 years before collapsing into the shitholes we see today.
Britain and America actively aided them militarily, worked with their intelligence, and literally kept them alive on life support through lend lease and intelligence.
>inb4 the Soviets could have won alone
the Soviets could not have won if Germany could freely trade with the rest of the world and focus all their efforts in the east.
Imagine if Germany had endless fuel, food, and materials for mass production, the USSR wouldnt stand a snowball's chance in hell.
>irrational demands of them
Actually Poland had wanted to pass of Danzig for a long time as they considered it a problem child and with Pilsudski gone it was solely Britain and France demanding Poland hold onto Danzig that prevented mutually beneficial German-Polish talks.
You didnt know this because you havent ever looked into the German-Polish talks.
What was unreasonable about Hitler's ask? name the meeting and post the transcript.

>Poland was going to defeat the USSR
Then we can be certain Germany would have absolutely defeated the USSR if Britain and the US werent bombing them and blockading them.

Also, are you really going with that? Poland would have defeated the USSR singlehandedly?

>Afghans
Afghans did not even face a single tank division.
Neither did the Poles.
The Finns lost.

If the Soviets were such a paper tiger, WHY THE FUCK didnt Britain declare on them in 1944 or 45?
Replies: >>17791776 >>17792416
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 2:11:19 AM No.17791764
>>17791750
>Polish monkeys move into an area
>outbreed the locals because theyre roaches willing to work like pajeets and live in jeet conditions
>"kurwa its mine now look at how many of us there are"
Truly the R1a is a menace. From Pooland to Poo-Land they need to be removed.
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 2:13:49 AM No.17791776
>>17791761
>name them
Poland, Luxembourg, Norway, the Netherlands, Belgium, France, Czechoslovakia, Greece, Denmark.

>the Soviets could not have won if Germany could freely trade with the rest of the world and focus all their efforts in the east.
They also would not have won if Germany didn't give them half of Poland and much of their supplies. Maybe if Germany had tried to fight the Soviets harder instead of allying with them they would've done much better.

>Afghans did not even face a single tank division.
>Neither did the Poles.
Sounds like the Germans shouldn't have given the USSR tank divisions then, pretty poor choice on their part.
Replies: >>17791860
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 2:18:03 AM No.17791790
>>17789917 (OP)
They didnt. Please ask a question rooted in reality next time sweety.
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 3:00:27 AM No.17791860
>>17791776
>Poland
Poland invaded Danzig.
>Luxembourg
Not a real country.
>Norway
so did British
>Netherlands/Belgium
belligerents
>France
Run by a socialist jew and filled with communists, they even asked if the USSR would invade Germany with them.
They weren’t anti communists.
>Czechs
Not anti Communists and asked the USSR if they’d invade Germany with them
>Greece
A belligerent literally assisting Britain in attacking Germany.
>Denmark
Strategic necessity.
None of them were invaded for being anti communist and most of them did nothing in the face of communism.

Germany never allied with the Soviets. Britain had a formal military alliance. Germany had a non-aggression pact.
This isn’t an alliance.
>support
The United States never ended their support for the USSR from 1917 to 1991.
Britain sent more tanks to the USSR than Germany.
>Germany shouldn’t have sent tanks
Not a single German tank was used by Russia during the Polish Soviet wars in the 20s.
Not a single German tank was used in Afghanistan by the Soviets.

German actually fought the USSR.
England didnt even try.

Germany rolled back communism
>b-but
Germany rolled BACK communism
Britain didn’t even try.
Replies: >>17791903 >>17791939
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 3:22:32 AM No.17791893
media_F9-k8n0XcAAyEW6
media_F9-k8n0XcAAyEW6
md5: 9aa21a84df0dd362950518591a0d69a6🔍
Wignats never seem to be able to established the direct chain of causality behind Nazis losing the war to Britain receiving mass-migration. All they say is that if Germany had won Britain wouldnt have it, but if Stalin had rolled managed to roll his tanks to Paris and communism prevailed over europe we'd have no migrant invasion. Infact to this day the most staunchly anti-immigrant countries are eastern-bloc ones including the former GDR which has the strongest right-wing populist base in Germany.

So i turn the argument back at the wignats, why didnt Hitler just bend the knee to Stalin?
Replies: >>17791896 >>17793157 >>17794180
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 3:23:25 AM No.17791896
>>17791893
stfu kike
communism is a failed ideology
Replies: >>17791908
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 3:25:55 AM No.17791903
>>17791860
>Germany rolled BACK communism
there were more communist countries after germany was done than when it started
Replies: >>17793161
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 3:34:17 AM No.17791908
BRM3563-Occupation-Areas_Germany-1945_lowres-3000x2472
BRM3563-Occupation-Areas_Germany-1945_lowres-3000x2472
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>>17791896
Nazism is an equal failure
Replies: >>17791916
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 3:39:51 AM No.17791916
>>17791908
>Nazism created the most efficient crematoriums in history supposedly
>"Nazism is an equal failure"
???????
Replies: >>17791924 >>17792043
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 3:42:45 AM No.17791924
>>17791916
>efficient
>Jews still exist
Not efficient enough, get lost loser
Replies: >>17791927
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 3:45:41 AM No.17791926
>>17791145
After the Germans threatened to bomb Prague.
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 3:45:49 AM No.17791927
>>17791924
Why do you people whine so much about the holocaust if it's no big deal then?
Replies: >>17791943 >>17792043
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 3:50:20 AM No.17791935
>>17791382
>The MRP is not what caused Soviet expansion, the Soviet desire to expand is what caused Soviet expansion.
Sophistry. The conditions which allowed for Soviet expansion would've never happened if not for the Germans distracting Britain, France and Poland with war.
Replies: >>17792755
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 3:54:07 AM No.17791939
>>17791860
>most of them did nothing in the face of communism.
Neither did Germany. In fact Germany gave communism half of Europe.
Replies: >>17793161
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 3:55:12 AM No.17791943
>>17791927
Same reason you dorks are still so mentally buckbroken about your Aryan over-men being ritualistically humiliated and turned into a Anglo-Slavik cum pit 80 years ago, I suppose.
Replies: >>17791952
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 3:58:02 AM No.17791952
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>>17791943
>a Anglo-Slavik cum pit
Uh... Anglo bros...
Replies: >>17791956 >>17791959 >>17792043
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 4:00:11 AM No.17791956
48147116-3714-4dae-b15a-d236dae14bd3[1]
48147116-3714-4dae-b15a-d236dae14bd3[1]
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>>17791952
This is NOT a conversation you want to start, my seething little malformatoid.
Replies: >>17791989 >>17793145
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 4:01:53 AM No.17791959
>>17791952
You're speaking to a Russian untermensch, not an Anglo
Replies: >>17791989
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 4:14:51 AM No.17791984
>>17789917 (OP)
Yet another thread by the same butthurt stormfaggots
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 4:16:44 AM No.17791989
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>>17791956
I'm not German, I just dislike the people they killed. Curious to know what ethnicity you are.
>>17791959
Nah, I'm getting pole or jew vibes from this one. Doubt he'll fess up because there's a litany of hilarious and justified shit the Nazis did to his people to troll him with.
Replies: >>17791991 >>17792001 >>17792043 >>17795690
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 4:17:11 AM No.17791991
>>17791989
>I am not German
First honest thing you have said
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 4:18:51 AM No.17791994
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md5: 7159628f0a30ce67ec4b3c4493de206a🔍
>You're speaking to a Russian untermensch, not an Anglo
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 4:22:55 AM No.17792001
>>17791989
>I'm not German,
That much is blatantly obvious. The mutt shitskin-ess emanates from your posts.
> I just dislike the people they killed
Aka you hero-worship the inbred, malformed, drug-addled losers that got literally and metaphorically gaped to extinction. That makes you even more pathetic, even for a brown.
Replies: >>17792019 >>17793145
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 4:33:09 AM No.17792019
>>17792001
No, I merely praise them for killing the sort of people I dislike. Any other nation which did the same would also earn my respect. What ethnicity are you?
Replies: >>17792032 >>17792043 >>17792064 >>17792064
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 4:38:41 AM No.17792032
>>17792019
You're literally mentally disintegrating all over tt because people keep reminding you that your strong, masculine, trad Aryan role models ended up as buckbroken fuckmeat for yids, slavs and commies.
No amount of 'n-no u' is gonna make your shitskin meltie less obvious.
Replies: >>17792043 >>17793137 >>17793145
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 4:42:57 AM No.17792043
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>>17792032
>You're literally mentally disintegrating all over tt
Anon, 5 posts in this thread are mine. Here they are:
>>17791916
>>17791927
>>17791952
>>17791989
>>17792019
What ethnicity are you?
Replies: >>17792063 >>17792065
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 4:44:41 AM No.17792046
muhi
muhi
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>>17789917 (OP)
Cause Mussolini wasn't smart enough to gtfo out of the death cult while he still could
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 4:57:12 AM No.17792063
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>>17792043
>Anon, 5 posts in this thread are mine. Here they are:
Oh, I believe you my dear shitskin. The other 15 where done by the Aryan voices in your head.
Replies: >>17792074
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 4:58:13 AM No.17792064
>>17792019
>>17792019
>What ethnicity are you?
You're REALLY not beating the brown allegations here bud
Replies: >>17792074
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 4:59:11 AM No.17792065
>>17792043
>runs out of arguments
>"wutz yo skeen color?"
Kek
Replies: >>17792074
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 5:08:44 AM No.17792074
>>17792063
>>17792064
>>17792065
>grrrrr I hate brown people, but not as much as those EVIL genocidal nazi bastards
Anon... What ethnicity are you? I'm trying to get to the bottom of your contradictory, schizophrenic worldview.
Replies: >>17792093 >>17792249
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 5:22:09 AM No.17792093
>>17792074
Your syntax and idioms give you away sukdeep
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 5:29:23 AM No.17792102
>>17791445
>>did
>nope
Liar liar pants on fire.
Hitler went way beyond Germany's 1914 borders and wouldn't have done so unless Hitler wanted to.
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 6:42:57 AM No.17792237
>>17791062
>You “won” didn’t you? This is the bed you made up. So why shun responsibility for the ripple effects? Can’t have your cake and eat it too.
Try to fit even an ounce of nuance into your head. You can be against mass immigration and still think it isn't worth it to have 20th century style mass-industrialized total war over attempted land grabs in Europe.
Replies: >>17792257
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 6:51:50 AM No.17792249
>>17792074
The left simultaneously seek the destruction of the White race and their civilizations and are the biggest White supremacist nationalists at the same time depending on what memo they’re trying to push

They will call you a brown trannie for pointing out the socio-political-cultural-economic degredation of Western nations while also worshipping brown trannies

It’s like when they say Hitler and Putin is gay. Is that supposed to be a good thing or a bad thing? I thought the West champions homosexuality. So are they saying being gay is a bad thing and thus can mock Hitler and Putin. While at the same time saying being gay is a good thing. It’s schizophrenic

The truthpill at the bottom is that deep down they know gay is a bad thing, they just want to subjugate the population under 24/7 humiliation rituals because they hate you and think it’s funny
>We’re gonna make your children mutilate their genitals and a drag queen will twerk in their face LMAO

It’s honestly just simply warfare. You must understand it. You are at war.
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 6:56:12 AM No.17792257
>>17792237
Well after seeing the results of liberals and communists defeating Germany over the past about almost 100 years I can confidently say yeah Germany was right and should’ve won, faggot
Replies: >>17792266
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 7:01:57 AM No.17792266
>>17792257
You don't know what the world would have looked like if they had won, just like you don't know if the world wouldn't have been a better place if they never started the war to begin with and didn't demonize the concept of nationalism in the process.
Replies: >>17792273 >>17792279 >>17792342
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 7:06:48 AM No.17792273
>>17792266
People today are STILL naive that mass importing third world eras totally isn’t going to destroy your demographics and you’re totally not being replaced

I must be a fucking genius or the majority of people since the beginning of time were retards who don’t have foresight
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 7:09:18 AM No.17792279
>>17792266
If you don't have the stomach for nationalism in its most genocidal form then you're cooked as a civilization, there's nothing to save.
Replies: >>17792342
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 7:15:43 AM No.17792288
>>17792249
>The left simultaneously seek the destruction of the White race and their civilizations and are the biggest White supremacist nationalists at the same time depending on what memo they’re trying to push
This actually applies more to the Internet far right.
You have people championing all the enemies of the West like Russia and China while claiming they want to save the Western world.

Your mistake is to think that only the West can hate Hitler. You also take what people say on 4chan way too seriously. I might personally support gays or lesbians, but I will still call your idols faggots.
Also, it's perfectly possible to not like brown people, love Western civilization and dislike or even hate authoritarian regimes like Nazi Germany or modern day Russia.
Replies: >>17792293 >>17792315 >>17792334 >>17793123 >>17795712
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 7:16:45 AM No.17792293
>>17792288
only the Left can hate Hitler*
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 7:17:50 AM No.17792296
Nazi Germany was closer to Eastern despotism than to anything Western.
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 7:23:10 AM No.17792315
>>17792288
ah, so you're just a boilerplate libtard gen x-er/millennial ala rebel news
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 7:26:17 AM No.17792322
>>17790793
Bro when has the UK ever lost a war to Germany much less a euro continental power. Like they had zero reason to think Germany could have defeated them using any data they had or historical precedent.
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 7:29:44 AM No.17792333
>>17791081
The interests of the UK has been since they lost the 100years war to prevent a superstate forming on the continent that could threaten them. Germany goal was to become that.
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 7:29:45 AM No.17792334
>>17792288
>I might personally support gays or lesbians, but I will still call your idols faggots

Your comrades would eat you alive if they knew you said that
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 7:33:53 AM No.17792341
>>17791463
Wow your retarded. Maybe head back to /pol/ and take your meds.
Replies: >>17792350
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 7:33:57 AM No.17792342
>>17792266
Look at how Mexican nationals and their immigrant spawn (which let’s be honest are basically the same as a national) were destroying property waving the Mexican flag

In any other age literally every one of them would’ve been destroyed and seen as an invasion

>>17792279
This. Man has lost his edge
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 7:36:54 AM No.17792350
>>17792341
He’s completely right and you’re completely retarded. A perfect product of the de-Whiteification. You’re nothing but a husk

There are literally studies that show only the yhte leftoid has a negative in group bias and hates their own race
Replies: >>17792358
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 7:40:23 AM No.17792358
>>17792350
Nobody hates their own race, and no peer reviewed study has ever found that. Understanding you could do better isn't hate.
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 7:43:13 AM No.17792364
>>17792358
The fact that you don’t care about your race in the first place is proof that you hate it. Slop golem
Replies: >>17792579
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 7:43:18 AM No.17792365
>>17792358
You need to be put in a concentration camp and starved, there's no redemption for people like you.
Replies: >>17792579
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 7:44:17 AM No.17792369
Literally everyone thinks every country that went around pillaging and conquering is cool………except for Germany
Replies: >>17792380
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 7:46:28 AM No.17792375
>>17792358
>You can do better Vhite man
>……
>now denounce your people, your history, your culture, and your civilization and prostrate yourself for minorities mmmkay
Replies: >>17792591
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 7:47:52 AM No.17792379
>>17792358
A basic observation of any Western left of center individual shows you they hate the White
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 7:48:27 AM No.17792380
>>17792369
>except Nazi Germany
This current anti-white bias has little to do with Nazi Germany. It's all about colonialism. The Left doesn't even care about Nazi Germany that much, it's something you project on them.
Replies: >>17793115
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 8:12:49 AM No.17792416
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>>17791761
>the Soviets could not have won if Germany could freely trade with the rest of the world and focus all their efforts in the east
I tend to agree with some of your points but you are wrong about the USSR. It was an absolute industrial and agricultural juggernaut with an output higher than the rest of Europe by the 40's.
Replies: >>17792506
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 9:38:10 AM No.17792506
>>17792416
That's a bit skewed because the USSR could completely depend on Allied lend-lease to take care of their logistical needs (trucks, jeeps, trains, fuel, boots, food, etc) allowing their factories to solely focus on producing weapons and munitions. The Axis never had that luxury.
Replies: >>17792570
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 10:33:46 AM No.17792570
>>17792506
>trucks and jeeps
Sure that eased their burdens on other products but for example Soviets had the highest agricultural output so much so that until the Barbarossa Germany imported food from them. Btw I don't question the importance of the Lend Lease but Cold War American proganda also created many myths about the Soviet economy. I would even argue that the USSR's access to the world market and German isolation mattered more.
Replies: >>17792786
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 10:42:13 AM No.17792579
>>17792364
>>17792365
/pol/tranny meltdown
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 10:45:11 AM No.17792580
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>>17789926
Thankfully the british can be ruled now by entirely foreign nations like pakistanis and jews as they embraced imaginary line on a map nationalism over racial one
Replies: >>17795700
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 10:53:38 AM No.17792591
>>17792375
Nice schizo post. Doing better somehow equals destroying yourself.....what a retard.
Replies: >>17793121
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 1:23:27 PM No.17792755
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>>17791935
Yep, Hitler enabled it. logically speaking.

Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, the war, and Operation Barbarossa, are the three key conditions which allowed the USSR to spread.
Remove these events, and you've removed the conditions

MRP allowed it to spread across 1/4 of the continent
Babrarossa allowed it to spread to Germany, to Hungary, to Czechia
The war allowed it to happen without opposition from a united continent

The only argument against this would be if Stalin actually planned an offensive war irregardless of Hitler. An offensive war into the nordic, into Germany, into the Balkans
Which he wasnt planning, not just because there exists not a single military document to support a war of that scale, but also because it was one of the main feuds between him and Trotsky. Stalin argued for "Socialism in one country" policy that was based on isolationism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism_in_one_country

It's also theoretically impossible, because an offensive on that scale would have met against a unified continent if it occured during peacetime, and the Soviets would likely have been embargo'ed by the remaining world. Stalin was cautious of angering the western powers which is believed to be his reason for delaying the invasion of Poland for so long; he wanted Germany to catch all the heat from the outside world, before taking his share of Poland

It is also practically impossible because in this scenario, the Red Army is still untested from the purges in 1930s, and instead of realising their inability against a ragtag handful of poorly equipt infantry divisions in isolated Finland (as happened IRL), the Soviets would instead find out about their inefficiency against a modern military with combined arms and prepared defences, and unlike Finland, the Soviets would have no rest-time after to correct their mistakes because they would immediately be at war with the continent, including Britain and France. They would also recieve no aid from Britain or USA.
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 1:32:32 PM No.17792770
>>17791463
The people in the Allied countries could have rejected de-whitization. They could have rejected it being applied to them by simply laughing that retarded shit out of the building. Just like how some of the most retarded shit today wouldn’t take hold if normal people grew some balls and laughed in the faces of trannies and didn’t take them seriously. Whites could still have done something.
Replies: >>17793091
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 1:45:44 PM No.17792786
>>17792570
>for example Soviets had the highest agricultural output so much so that until the Barbarossa Germany imported food from them

25 years later the USSR was buying wheat from Canada, a capitalist country with the same climate.
What went wrong?
Replies: >>17795716 >>17796411
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 2:28:58 PM No.17792835
>>17790900
Which is better by default.

UK is basically weaved perfectly into American global dominance.
Replies: >>17793089
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 2:30:07 PM No.17792841
>>17790911
Germany tried to wipe out most European countries and do cultural genocide, as well as stealing their colonies.

>>17790977
>Germany entered the war to reincorporate territories inhabited by ethnic Germans,
That is the worst reason imaginable. Especially in the case of a fake state like Germany,.
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 2:34:04 PM No.17792849
>>17791385
>Did Anglo politicians really lack the foresight to understand that a prolonged war would exhaust their empire, embolden anti-colonial liberals at home (plus nationalists in the colonies themselves), and make the country dependent on America?
1: They assumed they could win quickly and were actually right about that if it wasn't for France. 2: They largely ensured lasting peace in Europe through their factions. Essentially ensuring nobody could threaten their homeland. 3: Their empire was basically finished already since they were poised to lose Asia. Africa was only a matter of time afterwards. They got to keep most of it way longer than they would have in most scenarios and ultimately got to bow out very gracefully, even getting to keep places like Gibraltar, Falkland Islands, and that one bit of Cyprus. 4: Ensuring a Anglo/USA victory largely ensured their prosperity through overseas exploitation. USA and UK haven't been enemies for a very long time. While this did come with a few humiliations, mostly the wars with Iceland and some geopolitical defeats in the Middle East, for the most part they suffered zero issues and largely managed to find a very comfortable place in the new USA dominated paradigm(Which was also largely inevitable).
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 2:35:27 PM No.17792851
>>17792296
It was inherently anti western.
Replies: >>17793075
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 3:08:46 PM No.17792911
>>17790965
>Annex chunks of France and export Germans
>Force France to hand over colonies to Italy and Japan
>Leave them with no military to defend their existing colonies which would have collapsed as soon as peace was made
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 4:37:22 PM No.17793071
>Germany supplying the USSR with the means to invade Finland and Poland is fine
>The USA supplying the USSR with the means to invade Germany is bad
Replies: >>17793087
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 4:38:07 PM No.17793075
>>17792851
>>17792296
The holocaust was the most Western-coded event in modern history. seethe about it, jews agree.
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 4:44:14 PM No.17793087
>>17793071
>The Red Army had no soldiers, no tanks, or artillery before Germany merely made an agreement not to attack them

The USA kept the USSR alive.
Germany actually tried to kill the USSR.
any wrongdoing regarding not attacking the USSR sooner is overlooked as the Germans were ultimately the ones who fought them and in a roundabout way killed them.
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 4:45:17 PM No.17793089
>>17792835
>mass rape of English girls is better than speaking German
why are you like this?
Replies: >>17793119
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 4:46:26 PM No.17793091
>>17792770
not really, they heard it from their retarded parents, teachers, and politicians THEY HAD to go along with it because Whitey did was mean to brown and Thomas Jefferson wouldnt like that o algo.
Replies: >>17793584
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 4:54:54 PM No.17793107
>>17792755
>enabled it
Hitler didnt build the USSR like the US did.
>Remove these events
Remove those events and the USSR dominates even harder LOL.
Without Germany as a counterbalance and nearly striking the killing blow the USSR would dominate Eastern Europe.
We saw what happened in the vacuum of Germany and it was Russia dominating half of Europe.
>MRP allowed it
you say this as if Germany was obligated to attack the USSR from 1917 to 1941, why?
Why didnt Britian attack them? Why didnt France or the US do so?
>a united continent
When has Britain ever tolerated a unified Europe?
leftypol told me Britian was rational for sowing discord in Europe to prevent a coalition from achieving continental hegemony??!?
>if Stalin actually planned an offensive war
which he gave a speech calling for before the MRP was signed
>irregardless
this isnt a word.
>he wasnt planning
he was
>not a single military document
do you believe the holocaust happened, there is not a single military document asking for the mass execution of anyone via gas.
>isolationism
the definition of German autarky.
>theoretically impossible
nope.
Germany wanted to unite the continent with the anti-comintern pact and Britain and France went ballistic when Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Romania, the Balts, Finland, and friends discussing signing on.
The largest opponent of a unified Europe against Communism was Britain because Britain was mad they werent invited to the arms race of Europe vs Asia.

>the Soviets were a paper tiger all along
Then why was Germany the one who actually rolled them back into Asia?
until the US and Britain brought them back into Europe.

Remove Britain's obstinance around peace and American/British support, The USSR is dead by 1942 at the absolute latest.
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 4:58:03 PM No.17793115
>>17792380
>its about colonialism
in the minds of browns.
It originated via DeNazification methods exported from Germany by jews into Western academia.
Furthermore if you pull the thread of colonialism you eventually reach a point where someone says "but Whites did the holocaust and were Nazis thats why its worse when they colonize".
Its not projection.

We are describing the specific mechanism that lead to this phenomena.
black and brown pushing their specific grievance with Whites does not change the facts, Whites are only weak to these guilt trips because of "DeNazification"/DeWhitification which was deliberately and aggressively pushed on Whites by jewish intellectuals in the post-war.
Replies: >>17793134
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 4:59:42 PM No.17793119
>>17793089
Germany committed mass rape everywhere it conquered though (and on people the prewar governments actually cared about, too, not just lower class girls)
Replies: >>17793446 >>17793489
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 5:01:27 PM No.17793121
>>17792591
>doing better somehow equals destroying yourself
This is what they ask of Whites.
>>17792358
Whites have a significant number of people with an anti-ingroup bias, and a plurality of Whites are vaguely a-racial, only a minority of Whites hold racial views similar to that of non-Whites.

Either everyone gets to play race politics or no one does, there are a lot of non-Whites you need to protest, lecture, and recount the crimes against humanity to because they havent dropped their racial politics.
If you cared about anti-racism you would go after the turbo racists that are blacks, hispanics, and jews.
you going after Whites the least racially conscious people shows you are anti-White.
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 5:03:14 PM No.17793123
>>17792288
>literal boomers are now in obscure Hitlerchud threads
How did we get here?
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 5:07:02 PM No.17793134
>>17793115
Denazification has little to do with it. It was a failure and was dropped in early 1950s.
This current anti-white narrative is mostly about slavery/colonialism. It's why the narrative is largely about browns, not about Jews. In fact, Jews from Israel are considered the oppressors by the Left.
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 5:07:32 PM No.17793137
>>17792032
>your strong, masculine, trad Aryan role models ended up as buckbroken fuckmeat for yids, slavs and commies.
They completely obliterated these groups at a rate of 15:1 and the German veterans association was much larger than that of the Slavic veterans (who actually fought) because the Germans were so dominant.
you call it buckbreaking when lines on a map change but completely ignore how many Slavic, jewish, and communist bloodlines were snuffed out while the Germans only suffered 2.4 million deaths in battle and 4.5m deaths in total.
Germany lost less than 5% of its population, the USSR lost more than 15%, Poland lost 20%, jews (so these oppression olympics champions claim) lost 85%.
Someone was doing the buckbreaking and they were speaking in thick Bavarian.
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 5:11:30 PM No.17793145
>>17791956
>>17792001
>>17792032
This bizarre kind of celebration of death and violence with a sexual angle, this is deranged, it is the sign of someone who completely obsessed.

Hitler was right, he and the NSDAP did become the defining force of modern history.
These people who hate them think about them constantly even their sexual life is occupied by thoughts of Hitler and the NSDAP and how the Germans are superior in every way.

I cant help but get the feeling whoever these people are, in their less guarded moments, they dream of German BVLLs cucking them.
its the only explanation for this level of deranged obsession replete with sexual tone and language.
Replies: >>17793160 >>17796310
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 5:14:54 PM No.17793155
>>17793121
>>17793121
I rarely post anything on this website, for multiple reasons, one of them being the captcha shenanigans, but I need to tell you this: You are extremely retarded, I have been tracking your posts, and I know when it's you especifically because your retardation shows in the way you write, take some time off this website, please.
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 5:15:44 PM No.17793157
>>17791893
We have already established it.
DeNazification was exported onto the broader European tapestry.
Literally the same methods, like the OSS with DeNazification and Gladio applied the exact same methods, overseen by literally the same boomers, you can read about it in Who Paid the Piper, they DeAmericanized, DeFrankified, DeAnglified, DeWhitefied White countries because this was the only way jews and homosexuals and these pernicious groups who saw the vast majority of Whites as "Other" and a threat to them could feel safe.

That is literally just what happened.
I am going to assume you have never read any books about the CIA, Mockingbird, Gladio, DeNazification, West Germany, or CRS, to name a mere few surface level threads regarding this specific trend we have observed over the past 80 years.
Replies: >>17793165
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 5:16:30 PM No.17793160
>>17793145
>Hitler was right, he and the NSDAP did become the defining force of modern history.
They aren't. They are largely irrelevant.
>think about them constantly
No, it's just 4chan shitposting. And it was the Nazis who were obsessed with getting cucked, blood purity and all this nonsense.
Replies: >>17793175
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 5:17:27 PM No.17793161
>>17791903
and was this a product of German victory or German defeat?
German defeat.
German victory would have seen ZERO communist countries in Europe.
>>17791939
When did Germany own half of Europe and what was the deed they signed giving it away?
When did Germany win a war with Europe, annex it, then give it away?
I must have missed when Germany won half the continent.
Can you point it out?
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 5:18:19 PM No.17793165
>>17793157
You didn't establish anything. You don't even know what denazification means.
Replies: >>17793180
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 5:21:54 PM No.17793175
>>17793160
>they arent
They absolutely are.
>They are irrelevant
This is just you being a shitlib and therefore you can not allow your ideological "baddies" to appear strong or influential.
It is undeniable they are the driving force behind modern history.
Everything revolves around them.
They have created a religious effect around them, they are the end point of all moral evil and for moral earthly good for many.
shitlibs like you will say Satan himself or Tartarus is preferable to Hitler and Auschwitz.
>4chan shitposting
you spend a lot of time in these threads "Shitposting".

>nazis were obsessed with getting cucked, blood purity, and all this nonsense
what does this even mean? They constantly relaxed their racial laws.
lmao @ the nonsense of not wanting to be replaced or ruled by a foreign race.

The NSDAP was and is still the most influential force in modern history. Their legend and threat lingers to this day.
Replies: >>17793189
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 5:23:17 PM No.17793180
>>17793165
>denial
nice. I did, you know I did, you have discovered a new "front" in your phony culture war and you are completely unprepared which is why you wont put together an argument or marshal any facts or a narrative, you are out of your depth and so you resort to this tactic of "youre as ignorant as I am".

Its not working.
I am much smarter than you and much more well informed.
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 5:26:18 PM No.17793189
>>17793175
>They absolutely are.
In what way?
>Everything revolves around them.
For example?
>They constantly relaxed their racial laws.
When?

You post a lot, but literally nothing of substance. Just vague nonsense that makes sense in your mind. Can you tell me why NSDAP is more important than the East-West Cold war division? Or decolonization? Or immigration from the Global South? In what way any of this is shaped by the NSDAP?
Replies: >>17793224
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 5:36:56 PM No.17793206
>>17793107
>Hitler didnt build the USSR like the US did.
The USA didn't build up the USSR before lend-lease. Germany did.
>Remove those events and the USSR dominates even harder LOL.
No they wouldn't. The Soviets were repelled in 1920 and had no prospects of expansion West until the Germans gave them the opportunity, rather they expected an invasion from the West and prepared defensively (Stalin line)
>Without Germany as a counterbalance and nearly striking the killing blow the USSR would dominate Eastern Europe.
Germany was no 'counter balance' until Barbarossa, rather they conspired to split up Eastern Europe among themselves.
>you say this as if Germany was obligated to attack the USSR from 1917 to 1941, why?
They weren't obligated to invade the USSR and nor were they obligated to give them Eastern Europe and buy resources from them to fuel their war against the West.
>Why didnt Britian attack them? Why didnt France or the US do so?
Because they were busy dealing with Germany's rampage across Europe. The Allies had plans to bomb Azerbaijan (Operation Pike) and intervene in the Winter War against the Soviets.
>When has Britain ever tolerated a unified Europe?
They agreed to form the League of Nations to unite Europe and prevent further war or conflicts.
>leftypol told me Britian was rational for sowing discord in Europe to prevent a coalition from achieving continental hegemony??!?
"Leftypol" lives rent free in your head.
>which he gave a speech calling for before the MRP was signed
Speeches are irrelevant unless you're willing to concede that the Holocaust happened because Hitler made speeches about fighting and annihilating the Jews
>Britain and France went ballistic
How did they "go ballistic"? The West never opposed the Anti-Comintern Pact, Rather it was their own Allies that felt betrayed by the MR Pact, especially Japan
Remove the MR Pact and their invasion of Poland/France and the USSR would've never been able to expand.
Replies: >>17793237 >>17793384
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 5:39:19 PM No.17793212
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>>17789917 (OP)
Both Churchill and Hotwheels were freemasons, and starting wars and famines for profit is basically part of their religions.
Whether it was Germany, Italy, Soviets or even another "democratic" country didn't matter to them, they wanted to start a major war for the sake of starting one.
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 5:44:18 PM No.17793224
>>17793189
>in what way
They define the modern moral framework.
>example
see above
>When
When they Germanified certain select jews and consistently overlooked racial restrictions.
Bayerlein was Aryanized
the Guderians were formally Aryanized
Goering had his personal friends Aryanized
Milch was Aryanized
Walloons were accepted as Germanic, Croats, Slovenes, and "Racial Alpines" were "Germanicized".

>East-West Cold War division
both the East and the West were codified by which side of Germany they were on and solidified by which coalition they were apart of when they fought Germany.
These sides didnt exist prior to Hitler and American-Franco-Anglo-Russo-Italo-Germano-etc. relations were much more fluid prior to Hitler.
>decolonization
a result of America and the USSR who could not challenge Europe before Britain and France self immolated in the name of Danzig having an 89 man garrison instead of the permitted 88 man garrison.
>immigration
the result of DeNazification becoming DeWhitefication.
Replies: >>17793243
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 5:52:16 PM No.17793237
>>17793206
>USA didnt build up the USSR before lend lease
No, the USA was building up the USSR from 1917 onward.
It was American investment, primarily private, that stimulated the industrial growth of the 20s and 30s in the USSR.
>Germany did
Why even claim this? We can see the numbers Germany contributed, it was not even 1% of the USSR's productive output or GDP in materiel or trade. The US was over 20% of the USSR's total economy.
>the Soviets were repelled
No, the provisional militias of the Ukrainian SSR were repelled, not "The Soviets".
>no prospects of expansion
how can they be "repelled" if they werent trying to expand?
>Germans gave them the opportunity
How did Hitler convince the Ukrainians and Belarusians to dispute Eastern Poland in 1920?
>prepared defensively
They switched their rails to the Central European standard.
Stalin gave multiple talks to the Politburo about the necessity of expansion.
Stalin even said after the war he had always had a desire for Peter The Great's borders.
Soviet infiltration in Europe alone proves they werent domestically minded autocrats, they were paranoid expansionists.
>Germany was no counter balance
Then why was the Stalin line constructed?
>they conspired to split Eastern Europe
You mean they agreed to not attack each other?
France also conspired to split eastern Europe with the USSR.
Britain, with the US, literally just gave away half of Europe despite having the power to deny it, and they gave away MORE than what the USSR gained in 1940.
>obligated to give them Eastern Europe
When did Germany own Eastern Europe?
I must have missed that, wheres the formal deed where Germany says "we own these lands and we are annexing them into the USSR"?
>Germany bought resources from them to fight Britain
good.
>Germany's rampage
You mean their defensive war lol.
>the Allies had plans to bomb Azerbaijan
in the event Germany took it over because they would rather the Soviets have infinite fuel than the Germans LOL
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 5:55:40 PM No.17793243
>>17793224
>in the name of Danzig having an 89 man garrison instead of the permitted 88 man garrison
Oh, you're this guy. Never mind then.
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 6:04:00 PM No.17793262
>>17793243
Also, you really should use a name. You're always so full of shit, never providing any evidence for your outrageous claims that there's no reason to even argue with you. I only reply to you because it's not always possible to recognize that it's you.

>No, the provisional militias of the Ukrainian SSR were repelled, not "The Soviets".
Yes, Ukrainian militias led by Mikhail Tukhachevsky. You're a joke.
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 6:08:05 PM No.17793270
>>17793121
Can you Americans stop with this "race"-obsessed "white" shit? Stop exporting your retarded ideas.
Hitler wasn't fighting for you anyway, he was a German nationalist.
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 6:09:17 PM No.17793273
>>17793237
>It was American investment, primarily private
Why hold the US government accountable for the actions of private citizens? All these investments dried up during the Five Year Plans because they were nationalizing everything. Meanwhile the German government signed treaties like Rapallo 1922, Berlin 1926, 1939 Credit Agreement, 1940 Commercial Agreement and 1941 trade agreement which economically developed the USSR.
>provisional militias of the Ukrainian SSR
They were Bolsheviks lead by Moscow/Lenin/Trotsky. Pretending they were independent is Soviet propaganda.
>how can they be "repelled" if they werent trying to expand?
They made it to Warsaw before being repelled.
>How did Hitler convince the Ukrainians and Belarusians to dispute Eastern Poland in 1920?
Stop being obtuse. Kresy was ceded at the Treaty of Riga which the USSR wanted to avenge. Germany gave them the opportunity to do so at the MR Pact.
>They switched their rails to the Central European standard.
Stalin gave multiple talks to the Politburo about the necessity of expansion.
Stalin even said after the war he had always had a desire for Peter The Great's borders.
Soviet infiltration in Europe alone proves they werent domestically minded autocrats, they were paranoid expansionists.
And yet they made no move to expand, build defensive fortifications along the entirely of their Western border and signed treaties with the West up until the MR Pact.
>Then why was the Stalin line constructed?
They feared the West would attack, not Germany, at least up until 1940.
>You mean they agreed to not attack each other?
And divide Eastern Poland between each other and agree to form spheres of influence in Eastern Europe to prevent conflict.
>Britain, with the US, literally just gave away half of Europe despite having the power to deny it, and they gave away MORE than what the USSR gained in 1940.
This was only after the most destructive war in Human history.
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 6:12:32 PM No.17793288
>>17793237
>When did Germany own Eastern Europe?
They didn't, and yet they still gave these countries away to the USSR by promising not to intervene when the Soviets decided to annex them.
>good.
I'm glad you admit that the Germans were helping build up the USSR by buying from them and using those resource to weaken the West.
>You mean their defensive war lol.
Defensive war against Poland, Denmark, Norway, Belgium, Netherlands and Luxembourg?
>in the event Germany took it over because they would rather the Soviets have infinite fuel than the Germans LOL
No, read what Operation Pike entailed.
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 6:46:57 PM No.17793384
>>17793206
>they formed the League of Nations
which did absolutely nothing.
You are leftypol tho.
>speeches are irrelevant
They arent.
>the holocaust
there is not a single speech in which Hitler says I will use gas chambers as a form of mass execution.
Furthermore Hitler was talking to crowds of people, Stalin was talking to a select few political and military leaders.
They went ballistic because they wouldnt tolerate any kind of normalization of relations between Poland and Germany, France made it conditional for Poland, if they wanted French support at all they had to take a hardline stance against the Germans.
>the invasion of Poland/France wouldnt have happened without the MRP
then its good we had the MRP to throw the Poles out of Danzig and storm across France, otherwise Germany would have had even less of a chance against world jewry.
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 6:51:45 PM No.17793390
>>17793243
>nooooo stop bringing up that time you humiliated me in a thread
no.
>>17793262
>never providing any evidence
Name the claim Ill give the evidence, I always give evidence, you always backpedal and go "its not enough".
>its always possible to recognize
>took her 15 posts to recognize it
????
>Officially, there were five million soldiers in the Red Army as of 1 August 1920, but only 10 or 12 percent of them could be counted as the actual fighting force. Female volunteers served in combat on the same basis as men, also in Semyon Budyonny's 1st Cavalry Army. The Red Army was particularly weak in the areas of logistics, supplies, and communication. Great quantities of Western arms had been captured from the White and Allied forces and domestic production of military equipment kept increasing throughout the war. Still, the stocks were often critically short. As in the Polish Army, boots had been in short supply and many fought barefoot. There were relatively few Soviet airplanes (220 at the most at the Western Front)[141] and the Polish air formations soon came to dominate the air space.[142]

Please kill yourself.
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 6:57:10 PM No.17793401
>>17793273
>Why hold people accountable
?
>these investments dried up
They never ended.
>nationalizing
I dont know what this has to do with unending foreign investment and dependency.
>The German government signed mutually beneficial trade agreements
Which everyone did, however it was exclusively Britain and the US which gave the USSR no strings attached support both militarily and economically.
>pretending they were independent
independent?
I said they were SSR militias.
Which they were.
>they made it to Warsaw
and is this Soviet expansion or not?
>Germany gave them the opportunity
nope. They always had the opportunity.
The MRP didnt build the Red Army, the MRP didnt even exist in the 1920s when the Soviets made their first forays into Europe proper.
You call it obtuse to state the facts, the Soviets were expansionist BEFORE Hitler even came to power.
>they made no move to expand
except for in the 20s
and the 30s
and the 40s.
>they built defensive fortifications
and offensive logistical hubs such as European standard rail and forward airfields.
>they feared the West would attack, not Germany
I want you to look at a map and tell me how France or the UK would get to Eastern Europe without going through Germany/Austria/Italy.
>this was only after England escalated a German Polish dispute into the most destructive war in human history because of their jewish lobby
we know.
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 7:13:23 PM No.17793436
>>17793384
>which did absolutely nothing.
Great Depression weakened Liberal regimes and made them powerless against the rise of totalitarian regimes like Italy, Germany, Japan and USSR.
>You are leftypol tho.
Rent free
>They arent.
They are. Leaders can say things and then not do said things. A citation for this supposed Stalin speech promising to invade Europe in 1941 is desperately needed.
>there is not a single speech in which Hitler says I will use gas chambers as a form of mass execution. Furthermore Hitler was talking to crowds of people, Stalin was talking to a select few political and military leaders.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/30_January_1939_Reichstag_speech
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reich_Chancellery_meeting_of_12_December_1941
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wannsee_Conference
Hitler didn't speak of gassing jews but he did speak of annihilating them. Now find me a speech where Stalin directly said "I'm going to invade Germany in 1941"
>They went ballistic because they wouldnt tolerate any kind of normalization of relations between Poland and Germany, France made it conditional for Poland, if they wanted French support at all they had to take a hardline stance against the Germans.
They told Poland not to mobilize against Germany as to not offend them. They didn't stop the 1934 Polish-German non aggression declaration.
>then its good we had the MRP to throw the Poles out of Danzig and storm across France, otherwise Germany would have had even less of a chance against world jewry.
World jewry was just a German excuse to destroy Europe. Hitler gave Eastern Europe to the Soviets on a silver platter. The Soviets wouldnt have been able to expand West if not for the MR Pact and Germany distracting the West with war.
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 7:18:33 PM No.17793446
>>17793119
>yet another whataboutism
>and it's "rape in my lands good, rape in foreign land bad"
Total Bri'ish Death
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 7:22:39 PM No.17793455
>>17793390
>provisional militias of the Ukrainian SSR
>posts a quote from wikipedia that doesn't even say it
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 7:24:02 PM No.17793461
>>17793288
>They didnt
then they couldnt give them because they never had them.
>promising not to intervene
this would only matter if Germany was obligated to intervene.
>helping build the USSR
before tearing it down while the US continually built up the USSR with no-strings-attached aid.

Its also worth noting, it was Judeo-Bolshevism, not Socialism, not Communism per se, it was the Judeo element that mattered.
The USSR is gone, yet European existence is still imperiled.
>Poland
Yes, Poland was invading a country guaranteed by Germany.
>Denmark
Strategically necessary and hardly evidence of German aggression.
>Norway
Invaded by Britain first, the Germans were able to deploy faster however the British were the first to bring military assets into sovereign Norwegian territory.
>BeNeLux
aiding belligerents fighting Germany.
>operation Pike
>The plan envisaged destroying the Soviet oil industry to cause the collapse of the Soviet economy and to deprive Germany of Soviet resources.
Wow, its exactly what I said, a roundabout way to hurt Germany.
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 7:30:43 PM No.17793471
>>17793401
>>Why hold people accountable
Those were private citizens making bad investments.
>They never ended
They did, other than the lend-lease, the USSR wasn't a participant in the Marshall Plan and they formed their own economic bloc. Relations were frosty until a random grain deal in the 70s that quickly collapsed
>Which everyone did
Glad we agree that the Germans helped prop up the USSR to the detriment of the West and Eastern Europe.
>I said they were SSR militias
And the SSR militias were an extension of Moscow. You're just arguing semantics by saying it was the Ukrainians invading Poland and not Stalin/Tukhachevsky in the 20s.
>and is this Soviet expansion or not?
Do you think the Red Army invading Poland to try and annex them so they can support Communist revolutions in Germany not expansion?
>They always had the opportunity
They didn't. They failed in 1920 and decided to build forts along their borders because they weren't ready for a war and feared invasion. They didn't have any opportunity to expand until the MR Pact ensured that Germany wouldn't oppose their annexation of Kresy/Baltics/Besserabia/Karelia.
>except for in the 20s
And as I've stated before, they failed and never tried again until 1939 AFTER the signing of the MR Pact. Interwar Soviet expansion was a failed campaign against Poland, Baltics, Finland and irrelevant campaigns in Afghanistan and Xinjiang.
>and offensive logistical hubs such as European standard rail and forward airfields.
Germans did the same during the 30s. Soviets needs to switch their rail gauge to adapt to all the newly acquired land thanks to the MR Pact.
>I want you to look at a map and tell me how France or the UK would get to Eastern Europe without going through Germany/Austria/Italy.
How do you think Britain intervened during the Russian Civil War? Do you think Operation Pike was impossible? They would've used Poland, Baltics and Finland as springboard to invade the USSR if the USSR attacked first.
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 7:31:44 PM No.17793475
>>17793436
Great Depression weakened everyone.
>Totalitarian
that doesnt really apply to Germany or Italy or Japan.
You humiliate yourself in these threads for free.
>They are
They arent.
>citation
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalin's_speech_of_19_August_1939

None of those speeches you listed mention Gas Chambers even once.
>did speak of annihilating them
And yet they werent annihilated, while we have evidence of Soviet expansion most notably their expansionism.
>invade Germany in 1941
shifting the goalposts.
>they told Poland not to mobilize against Germany
They told Poland to not give Germany a reason to invade, Poland had already done so with Danzig but this was swept under the rug to justify British and French intervention.

If they really wanted peace theyd have told Poland not to resist the Germans, you know like they told the Poles not to resist the Red Army.
>they didnt stop the 1934 Polish-German non-aggression
they hadnt been lobbied for half a decade at that point however they were, France really, upset over Hitler formally recognizing Poland.
>World jewry was just an excuse
and yet we see it today.
>Germany destroying Europe
Germany wasnt the one carpet bombing Europe with Napalm, Germany wasnt importing non-Whites to Europe, world facilitated all of those and STILL world jewry is importing browns into Europe.
>Hitler gave eastern europe away
please, show us the document whereby Germany states "we own eastern Europe and we are hereby annexing it into the USSR"
>Soviets wouldnt have been able to
Post-hoc fallacy.
There is no reason to believe the Soviets were physically unable to move Westward until Hitler said "lets not attack each other while we deconstruct the expansionist rogue state of Poland".
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 7:39:09 PM No.17793489
>>17793455
>90% of the army had no weapons
>even more lacked formal training
Would you like more quotations from Wikipedia?
>When the Poles launched their Kiev offensive, the Russian Southwestern Front had about 83,000 Soviet soldiers, including 29,000 front-line troops. The Poles had some numerical superiority, which was estimated from 12,000 to 52,000 personnel.[130]
>Around the time of the Battle of Warsaw and afterwards, the Soviets suffered from overly long transportation lines and had been unable to supply their forces in a timely manner.[146]
>There were relatively few Soviet airplanes (220 at the most at the Western Front)[141] and the Polish air formations soon came to dominate the air space.[142]

Seems like Poland had some inherent advantages that were not present decades later.
>>17793119
They were the least rapey of everyone invovled.
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 7:40:08 PM No.17793492
>>17793461
>then they couldnt give them because they never had them.
You blatantly ignore their precarious position. The Baltics depended on Western, Polish and League of Nations support to deter Soviet aggression. The League of Nations collapsed, Germany destroyed Poland alongside the USSR, Germany distracted the West with War and agreed not to intervene when the Soviets made their move against them. They clearly sold them out.
>this would only matter if Germany was obligated to intervene.
German rhetoric espoused by Hitler was to destroy 'Judeo-Bolshevism'. By selling these countries to the USSR he also ensured that the USSR would not invade Germany while he was campaigning in Western Europe. It was a strategic decision to cover his flank which also allowed Stalin to expand.
>before tearing it down while the US continually built up the USSR with no-strings-attached aid.
Immediately dried up after WW2 concluded.
>Poland was invading a country guaranteed by Germany.
Who?
>Strategically necessary
i.e expansion
>Invaded by Britain first
Weserübung was not a response to the British R4 Plan. It was blatant expansion.
>aiding belligerents fighting Germany
Never happened
>Wow, its exactly what I said, a roundabout way to hurt Germany.
Glad we agree the Allies didn't view the USSR as an ally until Barbarossa.
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 7:41:25 PM No.17793495
>>17793107
>Remove Britain's obstinance around peace and American/British support, The USSR is dead by 1942 at the absolute latest.
That's pure fantasy. Barbarossa was a great success and went more or less perfectly and yet the German military and logistics were still exhausted by the end of 1941 and Lend Lease didn't really kick in until 1942.
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 7:48:51 PM No.17793505
>>17793471
>those were private citizens
so what? They were influential in American politics, and they protected their operations using government power. They were a wing of the government,really the government was an extension of them.
Are you going to say wealthy capitalists and industrialists dont have outsized influence in the US government?
>they did
nope.
>the USSR wasnt a participant in the Marshall Plan
ok? no one said they were.
>they formed their bloc
and?
>relations were frosty until a random grain deal

The United States never stopped trading with the USSR and they never stopped investing in the USSR from 1917 to 1991.
The USSR was never independent of its economic dependency on the United States.
>the detriment of West and Eastern Europe
actually it helped Western and Eastern Europe because it enabled Germany to throw the communists out of Europe and into Asia, until the British and Americans fought tooth and nail to bring the Communists back into Europe.
also "prop up"??? Was the USSR on the brink of collapse until a few million Reichsmarks paid for fuel and grain?
wow the USSR sure was weak, maybe the British should have let them die if they were so weak.
>SSR militias were an extension of Moscow
who said they werent?
>it was Ukrainians not Stalin
no one said this.

I agree the USSR was in fact expansionist.
>they didnt have the opportunity to expand until the MRP
what actually changed about the State of the Red Army with the MRP?
>Germany wouldnt oppose
and if Germany had opposed with the same voice as Britain and France, what would have happened? Nothing as ultimately Britain and France did nothing.

one major European power fought the USSR, Germany.
That simple fact you consistently ignore.
Even if Germany built the USSR with German labor and German capital while Russians lazed around, Germany was the one who attempted to destroy it while Britain and the US actively worked to prevent its destruction, America especially.
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 7:53:54 PM No.17793515
>>17793471
never tried again huh?
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet–Japanese_border_conflicts
So we know they made land grabs against Poland, as you admit, in the 20s, we know they made land grabs in the 30s, including 1939, and we know they made land grabs in 1945 and beyond, which you also admit.

These are expansionists.
If they werent expansionists, then it wouldnt matter what outside countries do, they wouldnt expand.
No one expands against their will lmao.
>Germans did the same thing
nope.
>Soviets switched their rail gauge to adapt
Eastern Europe had the same rails due to all being former Russian Imperial holdings.
They switched rails to central European.

>Britain would have
They didnt.
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 7:56:00 PM No.17793522
>>17793475
>Great Depression weakened everyone
Some less than others, like Nazi Germany, USSR and Japan. They took advantage of this to expand. Ethiopia, China, Austria/Czechoslovakia and Eastern Europe. Countries like the US were forced into isolationism and France/UK weren't ready for war.
>that doesnt really apply to Germany or Italy or Japan
They do, unless you're arguing that these countries had decentralized governments or free democratic elections.
>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalin's_speech_of_19_August_1939
>The historicity of the speech is still the subject of academic debate. Plausible textual evidence of this speech found in various reputable archives has been academically studied and published, however no formal first-hand evidence of a Politburo meeting held on 19 August 1939 or the delivery of the quoted speech has yet been proven.
Wow. So where does it say he was going to invade in 1941?
>None of those speeches you listed mention Gas Chambers even once.
Your supposed speech never said he'd invade in 1941.
>shifting the goalposts
It's not. Just because Hitler didnt specifically say he would Gas Jews didn't mean he wouldn't. What do you think annihilating Jews means?
>Poland had already done so with Danzig
What did they do?
>you know like they told the Poles not to resist the Red Army.
The USSR wasn't threatening war over Danzig. The West never told Poland not to resist against the Soviets.
>they hadnt been lobbied
Proof?
>and yet we see it today
Only in (You)r head.
>please, show us the document whereby Germany states "we own eastern Europe and we are hereby annexing it into the USSR"
Semantics. Germany had no right to dictate that these countries would fall under the Soviet sphere of influence, which is what they agreed to in the MR Pact.
>Germany wasnt the one carpet bombing Europe with Napalm,
Guernica? Willing? Frampol? Warsaw? Rotterdam? Blitz? Belgrade? Gorky? Leningrad?
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 8:04:54 PM No.17793544
>>17793505
>American politics
Such as?
>and they protected their operations using government power.
Proof?
>They were a wing of the government,really the government was an extension of them
Proof??
>Are you going to say wealthy capitalists and industrialists dont have outsized influence in the US government?
So the industrialists supported the Red Scare, fought against the IWW and American communists so they could... build up the USSR? Nonsense.
>The United States never stopped trading with the USSR and they never stopped investing in the USSR from 1917 to 1991.
The USSR was never independent of its economic dependency on the United States.
Why did they refuse the Marshall Plan?
>actually it helped Western and Eastern Europe because it enabled Germany to throw the communists out of Europe and into Asia
How did being occupied by the USSR help Baltics, Poles, Moldavians and Karelians?
>who said they werent?
Then why bring them up at all? I'm glad we agree that the USSR tried to invade Eastern Europe, failed in 1920 and didn't try again until 1939
>what actually changed about the State of the Red Army with the MRP?
They wouldn't have to worry about a potential Western intervention to their expansionism
>and if Germany had opposed with the same voice as Britain and France, what would have happened?
Then they never would've happened.
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 8:07:22 PM No.17793549
>>17793492
>Baltics depended on Western support
Which they never got lmao.
>league collapsed
because it was useless.
>Germany destroyed Poland
Good, Poland was a rogue state and has yet to prove itself capable of participating among the concert of Europe in a positive and constructive way.
>selling these countries
please, show us Hitler's deed of ownership over them.
>agreed not to intervene
as opposed to what? launching barbarossa in 1939?
giving a stern strongly worded condemnation like Britian?
>it was a strategic decision to cover his flank
True.
>German rhetoric
German action actually tried to destroy judeo-bolshevism.
>immediately dried up after WW2
uh no? American investment continued post war, and America never once broke all ties with the USSR.
Germany literally went to war with them.
The United States never went beyond economic measures which never once reached a 100% break with the USSR, not a single year passed from 1917 to 1991 that the United States broke off all economic relations with the USSR.
>Who
Danzig.
>i.e. expansion
no, moron, expansion is a land grab for the sake of gaining land, not a strategic measure to defend a critical waterway.
Was England waging a war of expansion when they took control of Iceland?
Was France waging a war of aggressive expansion when they invaded the Ruhr?
>it was blatant expansion
Then why didnt it go beyond Denmark? Why did Germany stop their "expansionism" when they had secured the strategically critical Kattegat?
Why not expand into Sweden where Germany could make use of Sweden's resources? Why go through the trouble of backdooring with Sweden? Why not just invade them? Denmark went down in 6 hours, Sweden wouldnt be hard to take, their army was miniscule compared to Germany's, they had no way to prevent a German invasion, they had a pittance of an airforce, 13 tanks in total, and a ton of resources, an expansionist power would have ran through them.
but Germany wasnt expansionist.
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 8:09:24 PM No.17793556
>>17793492
>never happened
Nope. Their airspace was used by the RAF to attack Germany, they were in addition to this closely aligned with the French and the British, and they were mobilizing their forces.
>Allies didnt view the USSR as an ally until they could weaponize the USSR against Europe
yes, this is correct.
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 8:09:25 PM No.17793557
>>17793515
>Japanese border war
Completely irrelevant. Khalkin Gol and Lake Khasan were initiated by the Japanese. It was Manchuria and Japan encroaching on Mongolia and the Far East and this is completely irrelevant to the USSR not being able to invade Eastern EUROPE until 1939. I don't deny that the USSR was expansionist. I deny that they had any capabilities or will of invading Eastern Europe after 1920 until the Germans presented them with the opportunity to do so in 1939.
>nope
They did. They built up their army in the 30s, built up airfields on the eve of Barbarossa and mobilized a huge number of troops.
>They didnt.
Because they were distracted by Germany.
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 8:10:52 PM No.17793562
>>17793495
You say their logistics were exhausted as if they faced the same fate as the Grande Armee.
Lend Lease saved Moscow, The Entirety of the Soviet heavy armor was composed of foreign models from England, these models were impervious to the German tanks which had formed the vanguard of the advance and without these heavy assets German armor would have overwhelmed the Moscow defense forces.
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 8:18:55 PM No.17793584
>>17793091
No they didn’t. They didn’t have to do anything. Baby boomers are just retards, and remember it wasn’t the silent generation pushing this shit. They were still racists but they could also occupy the political position that isn’t the exact same as Hitler. It was the baby boomers who bought all that shit and made a huge fuss about le niggerinos and anti-racism.
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 8:19:51 PM No.17793587
>>17793549
>Which they never got lmao
Because Germany destroyed Poland and distracted the West
>because it was useless
Thanks to the rise of expansionist Totalitarian regimes
>Good, Poland was a rogue state and has yet to prove itself capable of participating among the concert of Europe in a positive and constructive way.
Nonsense. Germany was a rogue state by invading bombing and destroying Europe.
>please, show us Hitler's deed of ownership over them
Why did Hitler agree to give those countries to the Soviet sphere of influence without their consent? Which of the Baltic countries were allowed to see the secret protocols of the MR Pact and consent to becoming apart of the Soviet sphere? Do you really think the Red Army threatening to invade them if they didn't sign "mutual assistance treaties" was consent?
>True
Good. Then we agree giving away Eastern Europe to the Soviets was planned by the Germans.
>as opposed to what?
As opposed to never signing the MR Pact to begin with, and not creating the conditions that allowed Soviet expansion to begin with.
>American investment continued post war, and America never once broke all ties with the USSR.
Then the entire Cold War was a farce?
>Danzig
When?
>no, moron, expansion is a land grab for the sake of gaining land, not a strategic measure to defend a critical waterway.
Semantics. The Soviets Invaded Kresy to 'protect Belarusian and Ukrainian minorities'. They annexed the Baltics to 'respect the wishes of the governments' they put into power. They Invaded Karelia due to 'Finnish provocations at Mainila'. Do you believe them?
>Then why didnt it go beyond Denmark?
They did. They Invaded Norway. The only reason why they didn't go for Sweden is because they signed a trade deal. Invading Sweden would be committing more troops and resources in occupation.
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 8:22:38 PM No.17793601
>>17793556
>Nope. Their airspace was used by the RAF to attack Germany, they were in addition to this closely aligned with the French and the British, and they were mobilizing their forces.
Never happened. They only grew "close" to the West after the War Scare. Belgium didn't allow French troops until the Germans were invading. Luxembourg had nothing to do with the war and was still invaded.
>yes, this is correct
So you agree then that the Allies would've had no reason to make any deals with the USSR until after Barbarossa. Why do you think then that they'd tolerate Soviet expansion if the Germans never declared war on Poland?
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 8:28:25 PM No.17793619
>>17793522
>less than others
no? Everyone was hit similarly hard, only agrarian economies did even remotely well.
>they took advantage of this to expand
Except Germany wasnt expanding.
>Ethiopia
not Germany, Germany even sent them weapons.
>China
Germany was more or less playing for both sides while not really playing at all.
>Austria
not expansionism they chose to join Germany.
>Czechoslovakia
not expansionism they chose to join Germany
>Eastern Europe
Germany only invaded those parts of Eastern Europe which had already belonged to German people but whom were forced out by aggressive and violent asiatics.
>forced into isolationism
laughable
>Britain and France werent ready for war
They believed they were, in this very thread the case was made they believed they were capable of winning a swift war.
>They do
nope.
>decentralized governments or free democratic elections
neither of those are the opposite of totalitarian, in fact we see those factors are critical if not necessary to facilitating totalitarianism such as requiring a license to open a window more than 2 inches.
Furthermore, Italy and Germany did have free elections.
>where does he say he was going to invade
When he says "it is necessary to expand the revolution beyond our borders"
>1941
goalposts
>what do you think annihilating the jews means
the same as it meant when Hitler said in 1940 he had "liquidated" The French.
>The USSR wasnt threatening war over Danzig
ok? Which means what? Poland gets to invade Danzig?
>The West never
They did.
They didnt want war with the USSR.
>proof
we have been over this repeatedly for the past 8 months.
untermeyer and strakosh were hard at work influencing British politics to narrow their options to nothing but war with Germany.
>denying the 12 day war
hasnt even been over for 12 hours and shitlibs are already gaslighting it didnt happen.
>Germany had no right
Germany DIDNT dictate, Germany HAS A RIGHT to say "we will not attack you".
They are well within their rights.
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 8:29:35 PM No.17793624
>>17793522
>Guernica? Willing? Frampol? Warsaw? Rotterdam? Blitz? Belgrade? Gorky? Leningrad?
Zero Napalm and these were battlefields hit by Close Air Support, not heavy bombers, Germany didnt even have heavy bombers.
How many people died in these German bombings? You can count soldiers too.
Was it 600k-1m collectively?
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 8:37:03 PM No.17793642
>>17793562
>The Entirety of the Soviet heavy armor was composed of foreign models from England
source?
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 8:41:27 PM No.17793657
>>17793544
>such as
Bernard Baruch running FDR's entire cabinet lol.
>proof
See above, it was declassified recently that we saw it lansky and cohen.
>proof
proof of capitalists having outsized influence on American politics?
again see above.

>nonsense
Ford Motors built multiple plants in the USSR.
Ford was the most prolific of the high profile industrialists who were anti-communist. I say this to establish the threshold, the number of jews (who were all communists or sympathetic) who just outright sent American factories to the USSR is unbelievable.
>Why did they refuse the Marshall Plan
Stalin became wise, then was killed by his jewish physicians.
>how did being occupied help
It gave Germany the breathing room necessary to liberate them.
>why bring them up at all
to illustrate the notion of Poland defeating the USSR in 1939 is preposterous as the Red Army of 1920 is nowhere near similar in capability or size or armament as the Red Army of 1940.
>they failed and tried again in 20 years
yeah thats usually how expansionist powers are, every generation making an effort.
However they did expand in the East.
>potential Western intervention
The MRP wasnt signed by Britian or France or the US lol. They didnt have to worry about it at all pact or not.
>they never would have happened
Who wouldnt have happened?

You lost your train of thought. ill ask you this, how can your claim about the MRP being necessary for soviet expansion be falsified?
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 8:46:58 PM No.17793670
>>17793557
>irrelevant
it was the Soviets pushing for disputed territory, this is no different to their behavior in Europe.
>their will evaporated in eastern Europe from 1920 to 1939
special pleading
prove it.
>German preparations for Barbarossa were offensive preparations
Yes..?? and??
What are you trying to say here?
>they were distracted by Germany
can you prove this because they had no problem declaring war the entire Axis even when various Axis powers had no ability to resist and were just a resource drain on the British and American war effort, e.g. the Balkan Axis.

So Britian and France could only fight the USSR in the brief window of time that Hitler existed in and by magic they couldnt fight the USSR before Hitler came to power nor after Hitler's ascension to Valhalla, it was literally to the very minute limited entirely to Hitler's life and death?

Can you prove this? Can you prove that Britian couldnt fight the paper tiger of the USSR in 1925 or 1947?
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 8:47:13 PM No.17793672
>>17793619
>Everyone was hit similarly hard
They weren't. USSR even saw a growth in their economy during the Five Year Plans. Germany was initially hit hard and then recovered under Hitler by creating a war economy.
>Austria, Czechoslovakia
They Invaded Austria and threatened to bomb Czechoslovakia
>Germany only invaded those parts of Eastern Europe which had already belonged to German people but whom were forced out by aggressive and violent asiatics.
If so then he would've stopped at Danzig and sued for peace. Instead he conquered the rest of Poland, split it with the USSR and annexed majority Polish lands into the Reichsgaus.
>They believed they were, in this very thread the case was made they believed they were capable of winning a swift war.
If so then appeasement would've never happened.
>neither of those are the opposite of totalitarian
They are. Totalitarian governments are characterized by high degree of centralized power into one state/party. Germany only had the NSDAP, USSR the CCCP, Italy the PNF.
>Italy and Germany did have free elections.
Laughable
>When he says "it is necessary to expand the revolution beyond our borders"
To where exactly? How come the USSR didn't expand into Eastern Europe between 1920-1939 if they were so hellbent on expansion as you said? Why bother with the Stalin line?
>goalposts
Then you saying that the Holocaust didn't happen because Hitler didnt specifically say he'd gas the Jews in his speeches is also moving the goalpost. Why the double standards?
>the same as it meant when Hitler said in 1940 he had "liquidated" The French.
So he killed them, got it.
>Poland gets to invade Danzig
Never happened
>They didnt want war with the USSR
They didn't want war with Germany either until they pushed too much and they drew the line at Poland. There's no reason to believe that the West would tolerate Soviet expansion if there was no war with Germany.
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 8:56:01 PM No.17793700
>>17793587
>Germany destroyed Poland
how does this translate to Britian being unable to fight the USSR in 1925 or 1947?
>distracted the West
how did Hitler distract the West in 1920 when Britain could have invested more into their part in the Russian civil war?
How did Germany distract Britian in 1947?

We must use Occam's Razor, instead of mental gymnastics, we can say instead, Britain and the US just didnt care about the USSR.
>expansionist totalitarian regimes
like the US, Britain, and USSR.
>Germany was a rogue state
They werent, I really offended you with that accurate assessment of Poland, are you Polish or you just hate Germans that much?
Poland was a rogue state, they were run by a junta, they had a fanaticism surpassing the taliban, and their expansionism occurred in all directions for decades in a way that would make the Romans blush.
>bombing and destroying Europe
It wasnt Germany dropping Napalm on Europeans.
>Why did Hitler give
he didnt, Hitler never owned those countries.
>giving away
again, Hitler didnt possess them therefore he could not give them away.
>the conditions that allowed soviet expansionism
can you prove this caused soviet expansionism? because the refutation of your argument is simple, the Soviets were expansionist and nothing anyone did could have prevented it, they had expanded of their will before, they continued to do so after the war, they have a precedent,
Also, who the fuck cares? Communism isnt importing browns into Europe.
jews are
communists arent facilitating the rape of British girls
jews are
Id rather live under communism than ZOG.
>the entire cold war was a farce
no, the cold war never reached such a nadir America fully broke ties with the USSR, unlike Germany.
>When
in 1939
>semantics
its not semantics.
What broader war were the Soviets involved in when they expanded?

The German occupation of Denmark is identical in reasoning to the British and American occupation of Iceland.
The Soviets intended to keep what they took.
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 8:57:06 PM No.17793704
>>17793619
>Germany DIDNT dictate
They did.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov–Ribbentrop_Pact
>According to the protocol, Poland, Romania, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, and Finland were divided into German and Soviet "spheres of influence". In the north, Finland, Estonia, and Latvia were assigned to the Soviet sphere. Poland was to be partitioned in the event of its "political rearrangement": the areas east of the Pisa, Narew, Vistula, and San rivers would go to the Soviet Union, and Germany would occupy the west. Warsaw, in turn, would be effectively divided between them into two parts. Lithuania, which was adjacent to East Prussia, was assigned to the German sphere of influence, but a second secret protocol, agreed to in September 1939, reassigned Lithuania to the Soviet Union. According to the protocol, Lithuania would be granted its historical capital, Vilnius, which was part of Poland during the interwar period. Another clause stipulated that Germany would not interfere with the Soviet Union's actions towards Bessarabia, which was then part of Romania. As a result, Bessarabia as well as the Northern Bukovina and Hertsa regions were occupied by the Soviets and integrated into the Soviet Union.
Who allowed Germany to speak on behalf of all of these countries about who's sphere of influence they'd go to? And what were the consequences of this decision?
>Soviet annexation of Kresy
>Katyn massacre
>Occupation and annexation of the Baltics
>Serov instructions leading to mass deportations to Siberia
>Occupation and annexation of Bessarabia
>Mass deportations to Siberia
>Shelling of Mainila
>Winter War and subsequent Treaty of Moscow, deportation of Finns
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 9:00:12 PM No.17793713
>>17793587
>they did, they invaded Norway
after Britian had already violated Norwegian neutrality thus turning Norway into a contested theatre.
>they signed a trade deal
why bother when you could invade and take everything?
Right because they werent actual expansionists.
>more troops and resources in occupation
it was more resource rich and less occupationally taxing than fucking Belgium, yet it went uninvaded.
>never happened
Why do you say this as a knee jerk to things that clearly happened?
They literally allowed their airspace to be used by active belligerents hostile to Germany.
>the allies wouldve had no reason to make any deals
They made deals regardless of their reasons, we dont need to theorize, we can see the French appeal to the USSR, the Czech appeal to the USSR, the British appeal to the USSR, they were asking for joint military operations against Germany in the mid and late 1930s before the MRP was even theorized.
>why do you think theyd tolerate Soviet expansion
because they tolerated it both before and after Germany was "distracting" them.
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 9:02:16 PM No.17793717
>>17793642
>Hill, Alexander (2009)."British Lend-Lease Tanks and the Battle of Moscow, November–December 1941 – Revisited."
>https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/13518040903355794
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 9:06:22 PM No.17793727
>>17793657
>Bernard Baruch running FDR's entire cabinet lol
Nonsense
>Ford Motors built multiple plants in the USSR.
And US companies built plants and worked with Nazi Germany. Capitalists prioritizing profits is nothing new. Would you say the US was bankrolling Nazi Germany?
>Stalin became wise, then was killed by his jewish physicians.
Nonsense
>It gave Germany the breathing room necessary to liberate them
They never would've needed "liberation" to begin with if not for Germany. I'm sure all those who were deported or killed by the NKVD in 1940-1941 were happy.
>to illustrate the notion of Poland defeating the USSR in 1939 is preposterous as the Red Army of 1920 is nowhere near similar in capability or size or armament as the Red Army of 1940.
The USSR was unable to defeat Finland, they'd struggle even harder against Poland. And with no Germany to worry about Poland would've been supported by Britain and France. Countries like Finland, Baltics and Romania who border the USSR would've been much more wary to Soviet moves on Poland.
>yeah thats usually how expansionist powers are, every generation making an effort.
19 years is a lot. Very interesting that they suddenly expanded twofold in Eastern Europe the moment they signed the MR Pact and the West was distracted by war.
>They didnt have to worry about it at all pact or not.
They did. Ignoring the secret protocols, the Pact meant that the USSR was selling strategic resources to Germany needed for their campaigns in the West (which is why they considered Operation Pike) and that they couldn't respond to Soviet expansion without fear of a formalized German-Soviet alliance against the West.
>Who wouldnt have happened?
Had Germany opposed Soviet expansion then the Soviets would've never expanded. They were only able to expand because of the MR Pact.
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 9:10:11 PM No.17793733
>>17793672
>they werent
They were, the USSR saw growth because American jews were shipping entire factories over to the USSR.
>creating a war economy
their economy wasnt a war economy, their most productive industries were textiles and iron you fucking troglodyte.
have you done any research at all into the German economy of 1930?
>invaded Austria
laughable.
>threatened to bomb Czechoslovakia
nope. There wasnt a threat. Goering said, after the papers had been signed, he hoped The Czech troops would stand down in time to avert him (Goering) from having to bomb Prague.
There was no "sign or we bomb you".
and we dont even know if he said this, in fact he likely didnt as Goering was famous for claiming to have told off Hitler and personally directed great Luftwaffe victories, in meetings that never happened.
>he would have stopped at Danzig and sued for peace
He did, Hitler wanted a conference when Danzig was secured, Britain, who had not yet entered the war, declined on behalf of Poland.
You didnt even know that.
>conquered the rest of Poland
as one would do when peace is declined.
>annexed majority Polish lands
majority Polish? land claims are based on founding tracts and deeds, not how many people of a specific group lives there.
A family of 6 cant just walk into my house and say "mine now because we outnumber you".
>high degree of centralized power
this does not characterize Germany or really Italy or Japan when you look at how they actually functioned.
>they had one unified party
a governing party
ALL governments are unified parties.
the most democratic governments today are singular coalitions where parties are consolidating their power.
your definition just defines government in general as totalitarian.
>laughable
I really hurt you with that one.
But its true, they did have free elections, feel free to post evidence of voter fraud :)
>why the double standards
there arent any, you are shifting the goalposts because your retarded strawman was refuted.
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 9:12:30 PM No.17793739
>>17793672
>so he killed them, got it
you're so clearly mad lmao.
Did Hitler kill 100% of the French despite his language stating he killed 100% of the French?
no really, answer that.
>never happened
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Westerplatte
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defence_of_the_Polish_Post_Office_in_Danzig
yeah, never happened LOL.
>they didnt want war with Germany either
Britain declined a peace conference before they even entered the war.
>no reason to believe
except that they tolerated Soviet expansionism in the 20s and 40s even after Germany was no longer fighting them.
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 9:14:21 PM No.17793743
>>17793704
>they did
please, tell us what German official was leading the German state of Poland, Romania, Lithuania, Latvia, and the Finnics?
When did this official, head of these states, sign them over?
>Germany speaking on behalf of these countries
when did they do this? When did Germany speak for Poland? When did Germany speak for Finland?

Germany said "we arent going to fight the USSR".
What does this have to do with Soviet foreign policy regarding Finland or Romania?
Is Germany obligated to act? no.
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 9:15:15 PM No.17793745
>>17793713
>after Britian had already violated Norwegian neutrality thus turning Norway into a contested theatre.
Again, German plans for Norway were independent of the British. They didn't invade Norway to protect them from the British, they Invaded to take their lands and secure supply routes. Germans were already attacking by the 8th of April.
>why bother when you could invade and take everything
Again, that takes men and resources, which could be used elsewhere. Look at how much of a drain Yugoslavia and Greece was on the Axis. Expansionism≠mindless expansionism. You're just being absurd.
>Why do you say this as a knee jerk to things that clearly happened?
Source?
>They made deals regardless of their reasons, we dont need to theorize, we can see the French appeal to the USSR, the Czech appeal to the USSR, the British appeal to the USSR, they were asking for joint military operations against Germany in the mid and late 1930s before the MRP was even theorized.
All of these were nothingburgers aimed at maintaining the balance of power. Did Stalin intervene when Czechoslovakia was Invaded? When France was Invaded? But he did follow the MR Pact to the letter.
>because they tolerated it both before and after Germany was "distracting" them.
Which "expansions" did they tolerate? They supported the Whites in the Civil War, Poland and the Baltics against the Soviets in 1919-1920 and Poles/Balts assisted in the Finnish Civil War. Allies didn't care about irrelevant clashes in Manchuria because it wasn't in Europe.
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 9:23:30 PM No.17793751
>>17793727
>nonsense
not an argument.
>US companies built plants and worked with Nazi Germany
nope. The US waged a small economic war on Germany in the 30s and literal war in the 40s, while exporting entire factory complexes to the USSR continuously.
>capitalists prioritizing profits
it wasnt really profitable to invest in the USSR, not in the short term, in hindsight no in the long term either.
>The US was bankrolling Germany
we have actual numbers on American investment in both countries.
The US investment BUILT the USSR.
American investment in Germany was little more than expanding a market, nothing comparable to funding industrialization with not only capital but machinery, diagrams, even skilled laborers, 70-100k specialists were sent to the USSR by 1940.
I dont know how many were sent to Germany but I suspect it is zero.
>nonsense
There are bunch of Rebbe's in new york you need to inform, there's on they think is their mosiach, you should go and tell them their mosiach was wrong about Stalin and the Doctor's plot.
>they would never have needed liberation if not for Germany
really? Were the communist cells in their country inactive or something?
>all those deported or killed by the NKVD
you mean those avenged by Germany's holy war against the USSR?
Yes, they probably would have approved of everything if they were told Germany was about to trample 30m Vatnigs and their jewish masters.
>The USSR was unable to defeat Finland
They defeated Finland twice you absolute mongoloid, did not know how the Winter War ended?
They lost, the Finns lost, the Soviets won.
>19 years is a lot
in the scope of expansionist empires? not at all.
>they did
can you prove the Soviets were worried about Britian and France or the Americans?
because until the Trotskyite seizure of power in the US, the USSR was on amicable terms with the Western powers relatively speaking.
>had Germany opposed Soviet expansion the Soviets wouldve never expanded
speculation.
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 9:25:54 PM No.17793754
>>17793727
Only Germany fought the Soviets in a prolonged war.
The British never did, the French never did, the Americans never did.

I must reiterate.
The communists are not and never were the problem.
Communists arent genociding Whites.
Communists even came around to our side when Brezhnev said his chief concern was the security of the White Race.
our quarrel with and greatest threat from has always been organized international jewry.

The MRP is completely irrelevant in the struggle of European independence against organized jewry, and you know it.
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 9:31:40 PM No.17793767
>>17793733
>American jews were shipping entire factories over to the USSR
Laughable
>their economy wasnt a war economy
It was. They rearmed using MEFO bills, used deficit spending to build up their industries and cannibalized Austrian/Czechoslovak industries (especially Skoda) to prepare for war.
>Goering said, after the papers had been signed
Why lie?
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_Czechoslovakia_(1938–1945)
>Hácha suffered a heart attack induced by Hermann Göring's threat to bomb the capital and by four o'clock he contacted Prague, effectively "signing Czechoslovakia away" to Germany.
>He did, Hitler wanted a conference when Danzig was secured
It was insincere. The 6th of October speech was made after the fall of Warsaw
>land claims are based on founding tracts and deeds
Then they're rightfully Polish as Germany agreed to cede them in exchange for peace after WW1.
>this does not characterize Germany or really Italy or Japan when you look at how they actually functioned.
It does. Führerprinzip in Germany, Democratic Centralism in the USSR, Kokkashugi in Japan, Italy self proclaimed to be totalitarian.
>ALL governments are unified parties.
Nonsense, there are checks and balances within democratic systems to prevent one branch from taking too much power. Are the courts and congress solely made up of Republicans or Democrats?
>But its true, they did have free elections
There were no free elections after the enabling act.
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 9:31:53 PM No.17793770
>>17793733
>nope. There wasnt a threat. Goering said, after the papers had been signed, he hoped The Czech troops would stand down in time to avert him (Goering) from having to bomb Prague.
>There was no "sign or we bomb you".
Kek, you lie about this again. Why are you like this? No, the papers weren't signed when Goring threatened to bomb Prague.

>>17793717
This paper doesn't say that "the Entirety of the Soviet heavy armor was composed of foreign models from England".
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 9:32:51 PM No.17793776
>>17789922
Germany had a historic interest in Poland. Britishers would've screeched and thrown a tantrum if America threatened a world war over Ireland, or told the crown that the US would fight a world war unless the British stopped interfering in India or Africa.
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 9:35:35 PM No.17793784
>>17793745
>they invaded to take their lands
what parts of Norway were annexed?
>German plans were independent
and British plans were independent of the German ones
Were the British thus expansionist?
also nice goalpost shift.
>takes men and resources which could be used elsewhere
where? Where could they be used? The Germany army was sitting on their fucking hands in 1940.
They had a huge army. What are they going to do? use every single soldier in the Balkans? The vast majority of German forces were doing nothing.
Yet they never even considered an invasion of Sweden which was a resource rich pushover that would have taken less manpower than Belgium to secure.
>expansionism =/mindless expansionism
What is the value of Yugoslavia over Sweden?
It was a sink, it was costly, it gained them nothing, it drained them time, furthermore, the majority of German troops were not involved in Yugoslavia.

Germany was not expansionist.
Again I have to demand an answer, Was England and the United States expansionist when they invaded Iceland?
yes or no?
>source
source is you just did it and keep doing it.
>maintaining the balance of power
source? this claim isnt even falsifiable.
what balance of power? How is the cordon sanitare asking the USSR to jointly invade Germany maintaining the balance of power?
>Did Stalin intervene
They were asking and the Red Army moved troops to the border.
Stalin clearly had the mind and the will but things developed in a different direction.
>he did follow the MRP to the letter
uh except he didnt, he violated the MRP when he annexed Bucovina.
>which expansions did they tolerate
Ukraine and Belarus. The expansions into Eastern Europe in 1939 and 1940
"t-they were busy"
it was called the phony war because no one was busy, and who the fuck were the Americans fighting in 1940?

Youre make up reasons to justify the inaction, the answer is clear;
They didnt care about the USSR because the jews influencing their governments didnt care about the USSR.
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 9:36:55 PM No.17793786
>>17793739
>Did Hitler kill 100% of the French despite his language stating he killed 100% of the French? no really, answer that.
Liquidation is a euphemism for killing, he never Implied he liquidated all the French. He defeated them militarily in the battle of France. Soldiers died. They were liquidated. The same euphemism is used by the SS and Einsatzgruppen in their atrocities.
>Westerplatte
The Germans attacked it and the Poles resisted
>Danzig Post Office
SA paramilitary attacked it and the Poles resisted.
>Britain declined a peace conference before they even entered the war.
Brits were negotiating peace up until the war. Chamberlain gave a final ultimatum which the Germans ignored.
>except that they tolerated Soviet expansionism
They didn't.
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 9:39:06 PM No.17793792
>>17793767
>https://www.jstor.org/stable/126832
>https://www.americanheritage.com/how-america-helped-build-soviet-machine
youre beyond help.

>cannibalized
you mean integration?
They used productivity as solvency, not "deficit spending".
>why lie
no one lied, look at the actual source for the claim on wikipedia.
Goering never threatened to bomb prague.
>it was insincere
He said it to Mussolini in private before their desire was made public.

Stop replying to me, you dont know what you're talking about and this feels like you're playing catch-up with things we have covered 5-10 threads ago.
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 9:42:21 PM No.17793803
>>17793743
>please, tell us what German official was leading the German state of Poland, Romania, Lithuania, Latvia, and the Finnics?
When did this official, head of these states, sign them over?
Ribbentrop apparently, since he didn't consult any of these countries before agreeing with Molotov that they'd be divided into spheres of influence.
>when did they do this? When did Germany speak for Poland? When did Germany speak for Finland?
When they signed the secret protocols of the MR Pact
>Germany said "we arent going to fight the USSR"
Germany said that all of those countries were either in Germany's sphere or the Soviet's sphere and that they wouldn't help the ones that were assigned as within the Soviet sphere. In exchange for selling them resources and not interfering in their war against the West they wouldn't do anything to stop the Soviets from exerting their influence onto the countries designated as the Soviet sphere.
Which Finnish/Baltic/Romanian gave Germany the okay to assign them into spheres of influence?
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 9:44:02 PM No.17793810
>>17793770
>This paper doesn't say that "the Entirety of the Soviet heavy armor was composed of foreign models from England".
It doesnt need to, have the numbers for Soviet made heavy tanks at Moscow.
>http://www.armchairgeneral.com/rkkaww2/battles/moscow/wftankstaff.htm
13 (natively built) heavy tanks for the Soviet forces at Moscow.
The rest were British.

Its not a lie, we dont actually know what Goering said and what we do have is from him saying it after everything was signed and he was lamenting the obstinance of the Czech troops who may fight anyway and force Goering to bomb prague.
>https://www.loc.gov/collections/military-legal-resources/?q=

Maybe if Hacha wasnt beaten to death by communists we could have gotten his side of the story, however from what he did say while alive and what his daughter said, he freely joined the Reich.
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 9:46:31 PM No.17793813
>>17793810
This is what Hacha claimed Goring said:
>Even before we were invited to sign this statement with the Reich Chancellor, Goering told me almost verbatim this: "I have a heavy duty. I would be extremely sorry if I had to destroy this beautiful city. But I would have to do it so that the English and French would know that my Luftwaffe is always 100% ready. They still do not want to believe it and I would like to convince them of this."
We have his side of the story. This is a document from 20 March 1939.
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 9:47:04 PM No.17793816
>>17793786
>I have liquidated the French
this means he killed less than 1% of the French
>I have liquidated the jews
this means he killed 50-100% of the jews
????????????
>Germans attacked and Poles resisted
as occupying forces do.
However I want you to look at those numbers, tell me, does the number of Polish soldiers present reflect the stipulation placed on Poland by the League of Nations in 1927(?) limiting their garrison to 88 men?
>Brits were negotiating peace
sending ultimatums demanding to oversee the foreign relations of two sovereign countries neither of whom want you involved is not peaceful, it is antagonism.
>Chamberlain gave the final ultimatum
They actually didnt wait for an answer lol.
>they didnt
Ok, where's the Soviet-British war? When did the British hit Moscow?
How many British tank divisions made it to Minsk and Kiev?
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 9:48:30 PM No.17793823
>>17793813
>doesnt once say "sign here".
Yes we know Goering is grandstanding enjoyer.
can you post the document?
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 9:59:13 PM No.17793846
>>17793751
>not an argument
There's no proof Baruch ruled the FDR government
>The US waged a small economic war on Germany in the 30s and literal war in the 40s, while exporting entire factory complexes to the USSR continuously.
The Dawes plan was not an economic war. Several US companies supported Hitler (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_collaboration_with_Nazi_Germany), doesn't mean the US government supported the Third Reich.
>it wasnt really profitable to invest in the USSR
It was. The USSR was one of the few economies growing in the 1930s. The Soviets wanted western technology and the companies wanted market access and revenue. Ford was particularly interested in selling tractors to the USSR taking advantage of their collectivizsation. No one at that time could've predict the repressions of 1936-1938 and the war in 1939.
>The US investment BUILT the USSR.
They didn't.
>American investment in Germany was little more than expanding a market
So was the USSR
>70-100k specialists were sent to the USSR by 1940.
They were not 'sent' to the USSR. There was no government sponsored program sensing specialists to the Soviets, that was done by private firms and companies on their own accord taking advantage of the industrialization. Ford and GM had subsidiaries in pre war Germany too.
>Were the communist cells in their country inactive or something?
The Baltic communists were irrelevant until they were put into power by the Soviets in 1940 because the actual governments had no way to resist.
>can you prove the Soviets were worried about Britian and France or the Americans?
There was a war scare in 1927 which is why the Soviets built the Stalin line. Why build bunkers if you aren't worried about your neighbors attacking? (https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeннaя_тpeвoгa_1927_гoдa)
>you mean those avenged by Germany's holy war against the USSR?
They wouldn't need avenging if not for the MR Pact
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 10:03:34 PM No.17793859
>>17793751
>They defeated Finland twice you absolute mongoloid
Pyrrhic victory. They failed to annex the entirely of Finland and had to settle for Karelia. They lost over 380,000 men to an army smaller than theirs. If they struggled with Finland they sure as hell would've struggled with Poland.
>speculation
It's not speculation. They proposed Operation Pike and proposed intervening against the USSR in the Winter War. Churchill wanted to do Operation Unthinkable. The Allies didn't consider the USSR an ally and almost considered them an enemy to be bombed before Barbarossa. There is no way they'd tolerate Soviet expansionism if it was just the Soviets alone.
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 10:25:50 PM No.17793925
>>17793784
>what parts of Norway were annexed?
All Reichskommissariats were planned to be eventually annexed into the Reich. They had plans to build Nordstern, a German city at Trondheim.
>Were the British thus expansionist?
Gee is the continent spanning empire expansionist? Maybe? Regardless, the German invasion of Norway was blatant expansionism.
>where? Where could they be used?
Norway predates the Battle of France, that's where the soldiers needed to be. Then they were to be used against the UK (Sealion) and Switzerland (Tannenbaum)
>The Germany army was sitting on their fucking hands in 1940.
They were preparing to strike at the Lowlands and France while the u-boats launched their Atlantic campaign.
>What is the value of Yugoslavia over Sweden
Germans invaded Yugoslavia because of the pro-Allied coup. They annexed parts of Slovenia and bombed Belgrade. Whether or not the Yugoslav government would've joined the Allies is speculated. They were in no position for war and the invasion of Yugoslavia placated their Italian and Balkan allies.
>yes or no?
The Allies had no plans to annex Iceland
>source?
Look at the reasons for these alliances. None of then planned for a joint invasion of Germamy, they were all mutual defense pacts to prevent wars that were made irrelevant by 1938, they're nothingburgers
>French-Soviet alliance
>signed 1936 dead by 1938
>Soviet-Czechoslovak alliance
>signed 1935 dead by 1939
They're irrelevant, claims that this was some conspiracy against Germany to surround them is overblown. Stalin only wanted to send troops to Czechoslovakia to defend them in the case that war broke out.
>uh except he didnt, he violated the MRP when he annexed Bucovina.
Bukovina/Bessarabia was to fall to the Soviet sphere.
>it was called the phony war because no one was busy, and who the fuck were the Americans fighting in 1940?
Declaring war on Stalin would've cemented a Soviet-German alliance and worsen their odds.
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 10:26:08 PM No.17793928
>>17789917 (OP)
Hitler was stupid to invade Poland and effectively go to war with Britain and France… man… if I was Hitler… I would have aligned with Poland, the Baltics, Romania and the Balkan countries in a massive Comintern pact, giving them guarantees against soviet aggression. I would work my way into getting the Polish government to allow German troops into the Polish border to prevent a Soviet attack… then I would leverage them into giving Danzig a referendum on joining German, whilst promising the Polish more land in the Soviet land. My next actions would be dependent on how the Soviet reacts… if the Soviets invade Europe I would beat them back and launch a full crusade against Bolshevism, turning the Caucasus, Ukraine and other entities into German aligned autonomous states…. If the Soviet’s didn’t attack, I would build up fully and declare war myself with my big Eastern European coalition…. It would be awesome, and Europe would be saved by the Judeo-Bolshevik enemy… I (Hitler) would go down as one of the greatest statesman in European history… VRRGHH
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 10:30:25 PM No.17793940
>>17793776
>Britishers
SAAAAAR
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 10:30:35 PM No.17793941
>>17793792
All of your sources say the same thing. There was no government sponsored program to industrialize the USSR. Private firms invested in the 30s to take advantage of their growing economy due to the Five Year Plans in an era where most other countries were in a recession. You're exaggerating by saying the USA built the USSR when some of these same firms supported and invested in Nazi Germany.
>Goering never threatened to bomb prague.
He did
>Hácha suffered a heart attack induced by Hermann Göring's threat to bomb the capital and by four o'clock he contacted Prague, effectively "signing Czechoslovakia away" to Germany.
>He said it to Mussolini in private before their desire was made public.
That doesnt make it any less insincere
> this feels like you're playing catch-up with things we have covered 5-10 threads ago.
Who are you assuming that I am? I only found this thread today.
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 10:34:15 PM No.17793950
>>17793087
Germany kept the USSR alive, the USA killed the USSR.
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 10:36:54 PM No.17793960
>>17793810
>13 (natively built) heavy tanks for the Soviet forces at Moscow.
>The rest were British.
The tanks sent by the British weren't heavier than T34. And according to your own source the Soviets had 244 of those during the battle of Moscow.
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 10:36:55 PM No.17793961
>>17793816
>this means he killed less than 1% of the French
You're moving the goalpost, it doesn't matter how many Frenchmen died. Liquidation was a euphemism for killing, that's why they "liquidated" The Jews of Eastern Europe with the Einsatzgruppen.
>However I want you to look at those numbers, tell me, does the number of Polish soldiers present reflect the stipulation placed on Poland by the League of Nations in 1927(?) limiting their garrison to 88 men?
They mobilized more men in response to German aggression against Lithuania. Perfectly reasonable response
>sending ultimatums demanding to oversee the foreign relations of two sovereign countries neither of whom want you involved is not peaceful, it is antagonism.
They had an alliance with Poland
>They actually didnt wait for an answer lol.
They did. Germany ignored it.
>Ok, where's the Soviet-British war?
Once again, the Soviets only began to expand after the MR Pact when they were distracted with Germany.
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 10:37:56 PM No.17793967
>>17793823
https://www.fronta.cz/dokument/emil-hacha-zaznam-o-jednani-v-berline-v-noci-z-14-na-15-brezna-1939
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 10:42:44 PM No.17793980
>>17789917 (OP)
Because if they didn't Europe would be entirely communist
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 10:53:15 PM No.17794000
>>17793960
Because hes lying.
I dont even know why hes wasting his time every day in these threads spreading lies. What's the point convincing people with a lie that immediately gets exposed if it's tested in a real debate.
Replies: >>17796507
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 11:00:03 PM No.17794015
c218682b-a43a-4136-92df-e980f2929493[1]
c218682b-a43a-4136-92df-e980f2929493[1]
md5: ff7048ed50f96c3627c337f738e7956d🔍
>>17789926
This map is beyond ridiculous. This is the extent of territories annexed by Germany. Barely larger than WW1. Hitler had no interest in acquiring territories inhabited by non-Germans
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 11:08:45 PM No.17794034
>>17794015
>Hitler had no interest in acquiring territories inhabited by non-Germans

He did a poor job of proving that.
Most of Poland that was annexed had a Polish majority.
Czechia was 100% Czech and yet taken by Germany (protectorate, which is essentially a different word for colony).
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 11:40:34 PM No.17794124
>>17794034
>Czechia was 100% Czech and yet taken by Germany (protectorate, which is essentially a different word for colony).
Was WE and EE colonies because they were protectorates of US and USSR even if they weren't called as such?
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 11:46:57 PM No.17794144
>>17794124
Wtf is WE and EE?
I assume it's supposed to stand for eastern / western Europe, but why not just write that instead of sounding like an autistic retard with your self-invented acronyms.

>because they were protectorates of US and USSR
Which Europeans states were US protectorates?
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 11:50:06 PM No.17794153
>>17794144
>Which Europeans states were US protectorates?
Italy, West Germany, France (to a lesser extent) Britain, Netherlands, Belgium.
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 11:59:13 PM No.17794175
>>17794153
How exactly are these states protectorates?
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 11:59:18 PM No.17794177
>>17794153
Who were their Reichprotectors?
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 12:00:28 AM No.17794180
>>17791893
Stalin ethnically cleansed millions of Europeans and USSR GDP data are a complete nonsense since prices were made up by the state.
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 12:02:53 AM No.17794186
>>17794175
>paying for foreign troops on your territory
>being forced to buy foreign products and military equipment
>being forced to deindustralize
>being forced to decolonize
They were and are by every definition puppet states because they have no foreign policy outside of being allied with the US and all that entails which is why in every foreign conflict the US has gotten support from their little puppets. Like Iran recently for example.
>>17794177
Their little "elected" jew puppets. Buttplug Keir, Ichabod Merz, etc.
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 12:07:35 AM No.17794199
>>17794186
>paying for foreign troops on your territory
Literally not the definiton of protectorate.

>being forced to buy foreign products and military equipment
Literally not the definition of a protectorate.
Also, when were Netherlands forced to buy?

>being forced to deindustralize
Literally not the definition of a protectorate.
Also, when was France forced to deindustrialize?

>being forced to decolonize
Literally not the definition of a protectorate.
Also, when was Belgium forced to decolonize?

Fucking paraphrasing retard. No one is going to take your ideological propaganda interpretations as facts.
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 12:09:20 AM No.17794204
>>17794199
It's iterally the definition of protectorate, you retarded nigger
>protectorate - a state that is controlled and protected by another.

Are you trying to argue that these countries are not fitting of that description?
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 12:14:07 AM No.17794215
>>17794204
>It's iterally the definition of protectorate, you retarded nigger
Nope. A protectorate isnt defined by any of the points you listed. and I'd say 3 out 4 of the points you listed were strawman arguments and outright lies based on personal interpretations from your ideological propaganda conviction.

No one in their right mind is going to take this shit seriously. Try again moron.

>nigger
/pol/fag detected. No wonder you have low IQ.
You. Have. To. Go. Back.
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 12:16:09 AM No.17794221
>>17794215
>Nope. A protectorate isnt defined by any of the points you listed. and I'd say 3 out 4 of the points you listed were strawman arguments and outright lies based on personal interpretations from your ideological propaganda conviction.
Protectorate isn't what you want it to be, retard. Learn this simple fact. Denying reality isn't going to help you.
>/pol/fag detected. No wonder you have low IQ.
Did you really get triggered by the word nigger? I'm probably conversing with some mentally ill tranny here. No wonder you have a tendency to deny reality and make your own truths.
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 12:23:26 AM No.17794241
>>17794221
>Protectorate isn't what you want it to be, retard.

The actual defintion of a protectorate is:

1. The states Sovereignty is partially or largely suspended.
2. The treaty is signed often by coercion
3. Internal autonomy is limited or controlled
4. Foreign policy and defense is controlled by protecting power (this is the most defining point of a protectorate).
5. Often not recognized as a sovereign state in international law

Nearly half of the British empire were labeled 'protectorates'. As were huge parts of the French and German colonial empire.
None of the horseshit you wrote is a definition of a protectorate. It's just some random shit you wrote based on personal interpretations from your ideological propaganda conviction because "lul evil USA jew golem controls Europe" etc.

>Did you really get triggered by the word nigger?
No I just recognize the /pol/ stampmark.
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 12:27:47 AM No.17794261
>>17794241
Also, all of those 5 points fits into Czechia in 1939.
And none of those points fits into France post-1945.
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 12:32:53 AM No.17794280
>>17794241
>The actual defintion of a protectorate is:
Making your own headcanon doesn't make it such.
>Nearly half of the British empire were labeled 'protectorates'. As were huge parts of the French and German colonial empire.
Your point being? Next thing you're gonna say that North Korea is democratic because they have that in the name
>None of the horseshit you wrote is a definition of a protectorate. It's just some random shit you wrote based on personal interpretations from your ideological propaganda conviction because "lul evil USA jew golem controls Europe" etc.
Cambridge - a country that is generally controlled and defended by a more powerful country

I guess your expertise on the English language is better though. And also yes - the US does control Europe's foreign policy. I literally gave you an example of this with Iran when all the EU leaders started clapping like seals when the US bombed Iran even though the vast majority of their citizens would not agree with it. Or when the former PM of the Netherlands literally called Trump 'daddy' in a statement of utmost humiliation. I'll say it again - denying reality won't help your mental state, mentaly ill nigger tranny
>No I just recognize the /pol/ stampmark.
Everyone here uses nigger to address niggers like yourself. The fact that you got butthurt about it shows you haven't been along here for long.
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 2:03:37 AM No.17794512
>>17789917 (OP)
Germany allied itself with communists to take over Europe, but Germany didn't have the strength to take on the communists that they empowered. A world where the British didn't fight the Germans is a world where the Soviets took over all of mainland Europe instead.
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 2:05:07 AM No.17794516
>>17794280
>Making your own headcanon doesn't make it such.
Cope.

>Next thing you're gonna say that North Korea is democratic because they have that in the name
No because "democratic" North Korea does not fit the definition of a democracy.
British protectorate of Egypt in 1882 did fit the definition of a protectorate.

And Czechia in 1939 fit the definition of a protectorate.
Netherlands post-1945 does not.

>Cambridge - a country that is generally controlled and defended by a more powerful country
Cambridge is a city in England, it is not a country.

>I guess your expertise on the English language is better though
I am from a Germanic country in Europe. I assume you're North American. The question isnt whether I have more experise in the english language (I shouldnt since its an ESL), it's whether you lack the cognitive capability to understand definitions and criterias in perspective to when and how it's used both in de jure and de facto cases.

>the US does control Europe's foreign policy.
Objectively it does not control EUs foreign policy.
You only say this based on personal subjective interpretations from your ideological propaganda conviction that most rational people will question and disagree with because they are fundementally just your opinions based on your interpretations.

>I literally gave you an example of this with Iran when all the EU leaders started clapping like seals when the US bombed Iran even though the vast majority of their citizens would not agree with it.
Literally not evidence pr a criteria that EU foreign policy is controlled by the US and thus a protectorate.
Again, this is so low IQ it's almost insulting to even adress it. This is nothing but /pol/ shitposting because you're more into nu-politics brainrot meme analysism than factual history discussion

>Everyone here uses nigger to address niggers like yourself.
It's more of a typical stampmark of a /pol/ tourist. Add the fact that you are essentially shitposting at this point
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 2:35:13 AM No.17794575
>>17790765
>>17791403
>>17792249
>>17792273
you have to go back.
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 2:38:11 AM No.17794580
>>17794516
>Cope.
Again denying reality I see
>Netherlands post-1945 does not.
Yes, it quite literally does
>Cambridge is a city in England, it is not a country.
Are you actually this dense or are you just baiting?
>I am from a Germanic country in Europe
You're just some nigger foreigner.
>Objectively it does not control EUs foreign policy.
Objectively it does
>You only say this based on personal subjective interpretations
No, by actual facts. German constitution, for example, was written under occupation and "approved" by the Allied powers, namely the US. This makes it by its very definition a colonial state. Even protectorates have more legitimacy and degree of autonomy than Germany did and still does.
>Literally not evidence pr a criteria that EU foreign policy is controlled by the US and thus a protectorate.
Then there was no evidence per criteria that Czechia was ever protectorate of Germany if we start using your logic.
>It's more of a typical stampmark of a /pol/ tourist. Add the fact that you are essentially shitposting at this point
Buddy, you're the one denying reality and making shit up, not me.
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 3:31:55 PM No.17795681
>>17791309
>Which was owned by German
not even true
even with all that prussian and german empire colonization effort and kulturkampf
why lie? or you just made shit up and do not know what you are talking about??
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 3:35:01 PM No.17795690
>>17791989
>I'm not German
obviously as even most retarded germs are smarter than you
I suspect that you are spic or pajeet or other sea nigger
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 3:40:49 PM No.17795700
>>17792580
/pol/tranny meltdown
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 3:46:02 PM No.17795712
>>17792288
the ''right'' is in such weird state
it praise israel and serve jews and defend bilionares, when at the same time cheering for bric shitholes
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 3:47:47 PM No.17795716
>>17792786
ukrainians taken over
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 4:23:56 PM No.17795764
>>17793562
>The Entirety of the Soviet heavy armor was composed of foreign models from England,
>>17793717
nigger why lie
at most it was ~30%, probably less if you look at details

>"By the end of 1941 Britain had delivered 466 tanks out of 750 promised, of which 259 were Valentines and 187 Matildas, the remainder apparently Tetrarch. Of these, 216 Valentines and 145 Matildas had been supplied to the Red Army.19 With total Red Army tank stocks, as of 31 December, consequently being in the region of 7,700 according to Krivosheev (or 6,347 on 1 December according to Suprun), of which only 1,400 were medium or heavy models, then British deliveries to date represented in the region of only 6.5% of total Red Army tank strength, but over 33% of medium and heavy tanks, with British vehicles actually in Red Army hands representing about 25% of medium and heavy tanks in service."
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 4:44:25 PM No.17795796
>>17789917 (OP)
>Why did the British Empire give up it's European heritage, colonial empire and national sovereignty for the Polish Corridor?

Here's David Irving explaining it:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/G9X610ijlEpv
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 4:56:22 PM No.17795814
>>17795764
British tanks were also extremely unpopular because they were horribly suited for the climate and terrain.
I remember reading that most of the tanks delivered in 1941 through Murmansk were immediately put to action to defend the northern sector, not Moscow.
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 5:01:30 PM No.17795821
IMG_8668
IMG_8668
md5: 558ec009ed3004bd9617c8887ecb7f82🔍
>>17793562
>The Entirety of the Soviet heavy armor was composed of foreign models from England
kek do bongladeshis really believe this garbage
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 5:07:05 PM No.17795832
>>17795821
It's not bongs making this claim, it's wehraboos.

The entire premise of the argument is that Hitler would have conquered the USSR (even with American Lend-Lease) if Britain had just stayed neutral.
After that Hitler wins and we will forever live in a /pol/ utopia.

Hence Britain is blamed for everything for not staying neutral.
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 5:14:27 PM No.17795844
>>17789917 (OP)
Because Britain feel in the hands of a drunken retardhead who was paid by shadowy bankers to push for the fall of Western Civilization. Not even the Americans had any idea of what they were fighting for; Danzig, the motive of the war, was already lost few weeks into the conflict. Germany wanted to sue for peace several times, and warmongering Churchill refused every one of them, barely understanding what they were about. The Strakosch paid Churchill to destroy Europe and gift its sovereignty to the Ruzzians and Yankees. It's the Jews anon, it's always the fucking Jews. Purimfest 2025. The Jews will rape every one of the barking retards in these replies. Heil Hitler.
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 5:36:02 PM No.17795897
>>17795844
>Not even the Americans had any idea of what they were fighting for

They were attacked.
There pretty much was no greyzone for the general American public and the average GI in their commitment to the war.
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 5:38:01 PM No.17795901
>>17795832
perhaps, but I still can't help but kek at someone describing the FUCKING MATILDA as an anglo wunderwaffe super tank which could take on thousands of panzers without taking a dent
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 5:42:59 PM No.17795914
>>17795844
>The Strakosch paid Churchill to destroy Europe
Oh look, it's the "Churchill was god emperor of Britain" argument again.

When Halifax argued for peace talks in 1940, he wasnt trying to convince Churchill, he was trying to convince everyone else.
Churchills opinion did not matter because if Labour, LibDem, Conservatives, the parlament, the cabinet, the ministry, the monarchy, all want peace talks with Germany but Churchill doesnt, then Churchill gets canned.

Stormfags naturally dont understand the basic concept of parlamentarism and acts like Churchill was a dictator (just because Hitler was a dictator).

Britain wanted war and did not trust Hitler with a treaty.
Not becuse of jews
But because the failed art student and his former-wine-seller-now-foreign-minister had the diplomatic capability of a chimp in the lead-up to ww2.
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 5:47:06 PM No.17795924
>>17795901
Again, not bongs making this argument. It's stormfags.

Because again, the entire premise is that Barbarossa failed because of Britain, ergo Barbarossa would have succeeded if Britain stayed neutral.

But yes you are right, its a laughable argument. Early British tanks and the doctrine which they were built upon were very medicore until they were leased Shermans and started building the Cromwell series.
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 8:19:13 PM No.17796217
>>17795914
> had the diplomatic capability of a chimp in the lead-up to ww2.
Why do angolems seethe so much about Munich agreement? Always laugh how much they feel embarrassed about a place they couldn’t point on a map.
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 8:35:51 PM No.17796260
>>17795832
>>17795901
>>17795924
The Matilda was able to resist most German early guns and ALL German early tank guns frontally. I dont know why you'd turn this into a "wunderwaffe super tank".
The stats are on Wikipedia
>The Matilda was first used in combat by the 7th Royal Tank Regiment in France in 1940. Only 23 of the unit's tanks were Matilda IIs; the rest of the British infantry tanks in France were the smaller machine-gun armed A11 Matilda.[22] Its 2-pounder gun was comparable to other tank guns in the 37 to 45 mm range. Due to the thickness of its armour, it was largely, but not completely, impervious to the guns of the German tanks and anti-tank guns in France.[23] The Germans found the 88 mm anti-aircraft guns were the only effective counter-measure. In the counter-attack at Arras of 21 May 1940, 18[9] British Matilda IIs (and Matilda Is) were able to briefly disrupt German progress, but, being unsupported, they sustained heavy losses (30 tanks lost) after breaking through to the rear area of 7th Panzer Division. A gun line of artillery and later 88mm flak guns, personally organised by the divisional commander General Erwin Rommel was needed to repel the attack.[24] All vehicles surviving the battles around Dunkirk were abandoned when the British Expeditionary Force evacuated.
>frontally impenetrable to all but a very particular German heavy gun
how "mediocre".
What doctrine was used with the Matilda? expose their flanks to the Germans?
Having these tanks in abundance was critical maybe necessary to a successful defense of Moscow.
What's the counter argument here? You dont know enough about the Matilda so you think "psssh those silly Wehraboos dont they know the Big Cats ate those for lunch?"

>pol utopia
>wehraboos
You are deranged.

Look at the data for the Matilda tank, early war German tank divisions had to rely on Anti-Air guns to defeat them because their anti-tank guns and tank guns were insufficient to get through its frontal armor.
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 8:44:06 PM No.17796276
>>17795914
Is Trump the god emperor of America because he is currently being paid to destroy America.
Maybe, back then, with Churchill, it was like what we see today, where individuals with capital and influence were able to steer heads of state in a direction they saw fit rather than what was in the best interests of the people.
>Parliamentarianism
Why is Tony Blair the most influential figure in British politics despite holding no official seat?
>Britain did not trust Hitler
you have invented this reason, the British said they trusted Hitler even after Munich kek, are you going to backpedal or die on this hill? Will you let 3 months of this "THEY DIDNT TRUST HIM AND THEY HAD GOOD REASON NOT TO" evaporate? You spent the past three months telling us they didnt trust Hitler, yet we see they still maintained relations and outreach with Hitler even going so far as sending an ultimatum to Hitler after Hitler had invaded Poland.
If they didnt trust Hitler, why didnt they declare war on Hitler when they had reason to?

>not because of jews

What evidence would you need to see it was jewish influence that drove Britain to war?

We see it today, unelected yet extremely influential figures like Blair can steer British politics.
in America we see just outright organized jewry influencing, coercing, and outright defying the sitting president, cabinet members, and a significant portion of unelected state leadership.

We see this in real time, we apply Occam's Razor.
It is on (You) to prove we should accept your special pleading over the much more parsimonious explanation, which is WWII was not dissimilar to what we see today with organized jewry spurring a reluctant nation to war against their own interests with media, finance, and political influence.
in 1936 there was zero desire for war among the British public and nothing that happened in central Europe had any effect on the British public.
No one actually wanted war save for the jews.
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 8:46:19 PM No.17796280
>>17795764
>nigger why lie
>at most it was ~30%, probably less if you look at details
Its not a lie, I meant at the battle of Moscow in case that wasnt clear.
The link was already posted, the Russian made heavy tanks at Moscow were less 15% of the total Heavies at Moscow.
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 8:49:29 PM No.17796286
>>17795712
maybe the right isnt a monolithic entity like the left? The right is a misnomer as lefties use it as a catchall to mean non-leftists.
this serves two purposes, reinforces friend-enemy distinction, and tricks the low IQ shitlib into believing they are in a binary black and white good vs evil left vs right struggle, when the reality is conservatives arent all the same, the alt right isnt all the same, NS/Fasc isnt all the same, Nazbol isnt all the same, ZOG-right isnt all the same.
>>17795700
>one liner post of objective fact
>meltdown
what did she mean by this?
>>17795690
>performative racism
Why do you do this? Who is this for?
There are no racist liberals.
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 8:53:19 PM No.17796294
>>17795681
>not even true
ok, show us the deeds to the land, those are German names and German families.
Poles hate when private property is mentioned because it reveals immediately Poles literally stole that land.
>The family was originally called Royk. Under Polish rule, it took the name of its long-standing possession Lewyn (today known as Lewino), for which the first Polish King Sigismund I had confirmed a hereditary noble possession to Jacob Royk in 1526:
>"The privilege was given to the noble [...] heirs of James of the town of Lewyn in the land of Pomerania and the district of Mirochov" – Crown register No. 42 p. 125 from July 28, 1526, "The privilege of the nobles over the goods of Lewyn".

These titled land deeds never formally or officially changed ownership, they were stolen.
Hitler restored these titles.
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 8:56:06 PM No.17796300
>>17795814
They were at Moscow.
This is even on wikipedia, its not some grand conspiracy British lend lease tanks were used by the Red Army at Moscow.
>>17795821
80% Yes, you can check the link I posted. Of all heavies used at Moscow, they had about 35 of Soviet origin.

Why do you make posts without doing any research?
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 8:57:18 PM No.17796304
>>17794215
>boogeyman
go back preddit.
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 9:00:48 PM No.17796310
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>>17793145
>waaaah violence is le bad
Ironic coming from a /pol/tranny who wants to kill and rape non white children.
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 9:01:48 PM No.17796312
>>17796304
>immediately brings up another boogeyman
You're both newfags who came here in 2016.
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 9:04:39 PM No.17796318
>>17793961
>it doesnt matter how many died
Then you agree the total number of jews who died in the holocaust is a few thousand as that is what we can establish from official records yes?
>Einsatzgruppen
they didnt kill more than a few thousand, correct, the numbers dont matter right? These are your words.
>German aggression against Lithuania
what's that? an unrecorded conversation where Lithuania and Germany came to an agreement?
How is it reasonable?
Also, you said this in response to Poland invading Danzig.
It doesnt matter if Germany invaded Belarus, Ukraine, Lithuania, and Slovakia, Poland is not allowed to put more than 88 men in Danzig.
That was a violation of Danzig's sovereignty, a country Germany would not allow to fall to Poland.
>they had an alliance with Poland
I was talking about Czechoslovakia and Germany....
You didnt know Britian threatened both them prior to Munich?
Why are you in this thread if you dont know the basic facts?
>they did
actually they didnt.
>Germany ignored it
They asked for a conference.
>The Soviets only began to expand after the MRP
They only began to expand after the Western powers had declared War on Germany.
There is no causal link between the MRP and Soviet Expansion.
What about Germany saying "we desire peace" makes soviet expansion any more possible than it already was?

France asked for a military alliance with the USSR to invade Germany, would this attitude of France toward the USSR lead to Soviet expansionism?
What about Britain asking the USSR for a join invasion of Germany?
We know this actually happened.
Britain actually did launch a joint invasion of Germany with the USSR and the Soviets took half of Europe.
Where was the Soviet Frontier in 1942? was it closer to Western Europe or further away? was it German soldiers or British soldiers who rolled back the horde?
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 9:05:05 PM No.17796321
>>17796260
The funniest thing here is that you cited wikipedia article that says this:

>Unsurprisingly, the tank was found to be too slow and unreliable. Crews often complained that snow and dirt were accumulating behind the "skirt" panels, clogging the suspension. The heavy armour on the Matilda was comparable to that of the Red Army's KV-1 heavy tanks, but the Matilda had nowhere near the firepower of the KV. Most Soviet Matildas were expended during 1942 but a few served on as late as 1944.
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 9:05:50 PM No.17796323
>>17793950
>invading the USSR and killing 30m of them is actually le good
>giving the USSR gold, factories, food, weapons, and resources is le actually le bad

I know you're b8ing but I am genuinely interested in how you would go about explaining this position.
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 9:11:25 PM No.17796337
>>17793941
>government sponsored
no one said this.
however the US government DID contribute massively to the industrialization of the USSR via trade agreements which made the USSR a dependent.
>you're exaggerating
nope.
Check my sources again, literally thousands of factories were shipped to the USSR.
>some of these same firms supported and invested in Germany
Their investments were single digit facilities. Not comparable to literally hundreds of factories from various corporations being shipped to the USSR.
>he did
nope.

>>Hácha suffered a heart attack induced by Hermann Göring's threat to bomb the capital and by four o'clock he contacted Prague, effectively "signing Czechoslovakia away" to Germany.
This is literal hearsay and conflicts with the official statement from Nuremberg.
>that doesnt make it less insincere
Can you give a motivation for why Hitler would be insincere with his own ally Mussolini?
Otherwise we have to assume sincerity as there is no cause to believe otherwise.
>I only found this thread today
Then lurk moar and stop posting.
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 9:11:45 PM No.17796339
I like how this schizo literally invented a Polish invasion of Danzig. Something that even the Nazis never claimed it happened.
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 9:16:37 PM No.17796348
>>17796337
>This is literal hearsay and conflicts with the official statement from Nuremberg.

>Then I talked to him in the presence of his ambassador and urged him to meet as quickly as possible the Fuehrer's demand that trdops be kept back when the Germans marched in, in order that there might be no bloodshed. I told him that nothing could be done about it; the Fuehrer had made his decision and considered it necessary, and there would be only unnecessary bloodshed as resistance for any length of time was quite impossible. And in that connection I made the statement that I should be sorry if I had to bomb beautiful Prague.
Hearsay confirmed by Goring at Nuremberg. Man, you're really bad at this. It's not some secret knowledge, it can be very easily checked.
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 9:19:44 PM No.17796353
>>17793859
>they failed to annex the entirety of Finland
They took more land than what they originally asked for LOOOOOOOL
how the fuck did you not know this?
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War#Justification
>Territorial changes: Cession of the Gulf of Finland islands, Karelian Isthmus, Ladoga Karelia, Salla, Rybachy Peninsula and lease of Hanko to the Soviet Union
They were more successful than what they had expected.
>they would have struggled with Poland
The idea that Poland, a country that was run-over by Germany in a matter of days could take the Red Army head on is just laughable.
Poland went down like a bitch in 35 days.
They were completely unable to even slow the Germans down, a much smaller army with inferior armor and numerically less aircraft than the Red Army.
>its not speculation
Its literal speculation.
>there was no way theyd tolerate Soviet expansionism
They tolerated it in the 20s and they tolerated it in the 40s even after Germany went down.
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 9:26:19 PM No.17796366
>>17796353
>a much smaller army with inferior armor and numerically less aircraft than the Red Army.
But I thought the Soviets won only thanks to Lend-Lease.
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 9:37:48 PM No.17796391
>>17793925
>were planned to eventually annexed
source?
>the British were expansionist
We can establish then expansionism is accepted as legitimate by both sides then.
Which means the case can not be used, "they were expansionist therefore we had to fight". Barring physical expansion into British land itself, nothing Germany did warranted Britain committing suicide over.
>blatant expansionism
Its not expansionism.
Furthermore Expansionism requires an end to the conflict or a formal annexation, not plans of annexation. e.g. war plan red is not evidence America will conquer Britain.
>Britian turns Norway into an active theater of conflict
>Germany responds by fighting Britain in this active theater
This is not expansionism.
>the soldiers needed to be in France
why? France is mostly flat, German naval and mountain troops wouldnt be useful, they would only take up logistical space.
>Tannenbaum
>Sealion
literally never happened.
>they were preparing to strike
You are aware France fell to the Germans in Late June 1940.
What was the Germany army doing in August 1940? what about October 1940?
still fighting in France?

Yugoslavia was one of the most devastating partisan fronts of the war, it ultimately cost Germany much more than occupying a country like Norway and rewarded the Germans much less than if they were to occupy a country like Sweden.
If Germany was expansionist (which means expanding for reasons other than immediate strategic/military concern, i.e. conquest) they would have invaded Sweden, they didnt.
We do not see from Germany what we would expect from expansionists.
>Allies had no plans to annex Iceland
The Americans had plans to invade the UK, should the US be treated as an enemy of the UK because of planning?
No. Planning means nothing.
Actions mean everything.
Furthermore, Iceland ceased to be independent and until 2006 hosted Foreign Soldiers, this denotes a lack of independence.
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 9:44:44 PM No.17796411
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>>17792786
>what went wrong
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 9:47:57 PM No.17796416
>>17793925
>none planned for a joint invasion of Germany
France Poland and Britian had asked if the USSR would join them in a pre-emptive war on Germany.
The Cordone Sanitaire was created solely to contain Germany and prevent them from exercising any kind of independence or unilateral foreign policy.
>some conspiracy
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cordon_sanitaire_(international_relations)
The seminal use of cordon sanitaire (French: [kɔʁdɔ̃ sanitɛʁ]; lit.'sanitary cordon') as a metaphor for ideological containment referred to "the system of alliances instituted by France in interwar Europe that stretched from Finland to the Balkans" and which "completely ringed Germany and sealed off Russia from Western Europe, thereby isolating the two politically 'diseased' nations of Europe."[1]
>French Prime Minister Georges Clemenceau is credited with coining the usage, when, in March 1919, he urged the newly independent border states (also called limitrophe states) that had formed in Eastern Europe after World War I to form a defensive union. Such a system would both isolate the Soviet Union from Western Europe, and thus quarantine the spread of communism, while simultaneously threatening Germany's eastern border in the event of war, guaranteeing French security. He called such an alliance a cordon sanitaire. France subsequently put this policy into practice by creating an alliance with Poland in 1921, followed by alliances with each member of the French-backed Little Entente alliance (Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, and Romania) starting in 1924. The alliance was further reinforced by bilateral treaties among Eastern European states such as the Polish–Romanian alliance.
how conspiratorial.
>Bucovina was to fall to the Soviet sphere
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov-Ribbentrop_Pact
>Stalin's invasion of Bukovina in 1940 violated the pact, since it went beyond the Soviet sphere of influence that had been agreed with the Axis.[13]
STOP POSTING
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 9:59:11 PM No.17796441
>>17793928
France and Britain told Poland their support was entirely conditional on them refusing to negotiate with Germany.
>no proof Baruch ruled the FDR government
no one ever claimed Baruch ruled the FDR government, it has been stated, restated, ad-nauseum, organized jewry, much like it is today, was at work in the US at the time and the FDR government was partial to organized jewry largely due to the influence of Baruch.
This is a phenomena we observe today and it is on (You) to prove your case of special pleading otherwise we must go with the most parsimonious explanation, if it looks like a duck, sounds like a duck, walks like a duck.
>Dawes plan
wrong decade, idiot.
>it was
it wasnt, it paid no dividends and was one of the primary driving factors for revisionist zionists to gain international support in organizing opposition among the sayanim against the USSR.
>they didnt
They did, we dont even fully know the extent of it however we know it was huge, the greatest transfer of material, technology, labor, and assets ever.
>The USSR was an expanding market
they didnt have markets. even under the most liberal economic policies at the time in the SSRs their market sector was profoundly desolate.
Ford had a handful of properties in Germany while the USSR had hundreds of plants not even built there but literally shipped from the US to the USSR.
>they were not "sent"
They were, they professional specialists.
>government sponsored program
I dont know what government sponsorship has to do with anything.
The United States has two centers of power, State and jewish, jewish power influences state power to enrich and empower itself, jewish power was behind the USSR.
There was no ban on anything with the USSR like there was with Germany this was solely due to lobbying.
>Baltic communists were weak
ok? and? That doesnt change what I said.
>The bunkers ensured they wouldnt have to worry.
>avenging the MRP
Germany is not obligated to be hostile to the USSR.
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 10:19:02 PM No.17796507
>>17793960
>>17794000
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tank_classification
The physical weight of a tank is neither the sole or primary determination of "Heavy" "Medium" or "Light", fucking morons.
Why do you post in these threads if you dont know what youre talking about.
The Role of a tank is what designates it as Heavy, Medium, or Light.

If your default response to encountering something you havent heard before/dont like is "I am being lied to" just stop posting and participating in threads about historical heterodoxy.
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 10:25:02 PM No.17796521
>>17796366
They did.
>BUT YOU SAID THEY HAD BETTER TANKS AND MORE PLANES
Yes, in 1941 the Red Army had superior tanks and more aircraft.
this was NOT the case after 1941.

The Germans overcame the Red Army in 1941 anyway because Germans are just that good.
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 10:27:45 PM No.17796531
>>17796339
>STOP BRINGING UP POLANDS VIOLATION OF THE LEAGUE OF NATIONS CHARTER
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Westerplatte
No.
They were restricted specifically to 88 men, they had upward of 250-300 and were storing heavy weapons in a fucking post office of all places.
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 10:28:30 PM No.17796533
>>17796507
>Tanks are often referred to by weight-based classifications such as 'light', 'medium' or 'heavy', and by extension the role that this size of tank was suitable for.
?

By the way, based on weight alone Matilda would be considered a medium tank, not heavy.
>At the time, the Matilda and the Valentine were considered to be light tanks and actually fell in between the Soviet definition of Light and Medium tanks. They had less firepower than the Soviet’s medium and heavy Tanks, but more armor than their light tanks. The Matilda certainly didn’t have the speed of a light tank, which Soviet crews were not too happy with.
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 10:30:37 PM No.17796538
>>17796348
re-read the statement you just posted.
Goering affirms he told Hacha he hopes the Czech troops would obey the order to stand down then said he would be sorry if he had to bomb Prague.
No threat was made.
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 10:30:38 PM No.17796539
>>17796531
I don't know why you even post this. Poland's violation was pretty much nothing compared to what Danzig or Germany did.
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 10:32:25 PM No.17796544
>>17796538
How is this not a threat? Seems like you're the only one who understand it this way.

This is from his Nuremberg judgement.
>The night before the invasion of Czechoslovakia and the absorption of Bohemia and Moravia, at a conference with Hitler and President Hacha he threatened to bomb Prague if Hacha did not submit. This threat he admitted in his testimony.
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 10:33:40 PM No.17796545
>>17796321
What's funny? The Matilda was still present at Moscow and played a decisive role, alongside other British heavy tanks like the Valentine - a tank the Soviets liked so well they began making their own.

>uhhh the Matilda was unpopular
which means what? It couldnt shoot, couldnt drive, couldnt deflect German shells?
What are we supposed to take away from your post besides confirming your IQ is below 90?
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 10:39:55 PM No.17796561
>>17796544
>how is that not a threat
can you show us where the threat is? He never mentioned Hacha signing in that quote.
He mentions the Czech troops disobeying their government how terrible it would be if that happened because Prague is a beautiful city and would be subject to collateral damage resulting from a breakout of hostilities between Czech soldiers and German soldiers.
Where does Goering say "Sign or you get bombed"?
>>17796539
What did Danzig do? exist?
>Germany overreacted
ok, but this is the same argument youve discounted for years when it was applied to the British and French escalating Germany vs Poland into Germany vs 3/5 of the planet.
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 10:40:17 PM No.17796563
>>17796545
>The Matilda was still present at Moscow and played a decisive role
Source? The article you posted doesn't say this.
>Valentine
>heavy tank
It wasn't a heavy tank.
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 10:45:11 PM No.17796574
>>17796561
>What did Danzig do? exist?
Smuggle weapons, form its own military forces (much stronger than Polish garrison), its own SS unit, fortified the city and immediately after Germany invaded Poland they joined Germany. All of this were violation of various treaties they had with Poland and the LoN.

And Goring said that before Hacha signed anything. And Hacha understood it as a threat.
>>17793813
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 10:47:49 PM No.17796581
>>17796545
>What are we supposed to take away from your post besides confirming your IQ is below 90?
You wanted to prove that Matilda was some super tank by posting quotes from the same article that claims that the tank was considered pretty shitty by the Soviets.
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 11:08:38 PM No.17796627
>>17796545
>The Matilda was still present at Moscow and played a decisive role
It's funny because one of your sources says that the tank wasn't that great and the other literally states this:
>ritish deliveries of the Matilda and Valentine tank to the Soviet Union during the Battle of Moscow, were not, as I have previously stated, “decisive.”
He refers here to his earlier article. But you didn't even post it. You posted the revised version from 2009.

I found another article by Hill where he says this:
>Lend-Lease aid did not “save” the Soviet Union from defeat during the Battle of Moscow. But the speed at which Britain in particular was willing and able to provide aid to the Soviet Union, and at which the Soviet Union was able to put foreign equipment into frontline use, is still an underappreciated part of this story. During the bitter fighting of the winter of 1941–1942, British aid made a crucial difference.
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 11:29:03 PM No.17796660
>>17796627
>you posted more up to date information
Thanks I guess.
I dont even know what to say here anymore as you're not even arguing against me youre agreeing with but with caveats.
>I found an opinion piece
Very nice, I am interested in hard data, not opinion pieces.
The facts remains, the USSR, without Lend Lease, would have found themselves with far fewer heavy tanks and with far fewer tanks that were capable of frontally engaging and defeating the Panzerwaffe.
I do agree the British aid in the Winter of 1941 was crucial and is underappreciated.
>>17796563
>https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/soviet/matilda-ii-in-soviet-service
>The Soviet Army had formed six tank battalions by late November 1941 out of 20 Matildas and 97 Valentines, or the “British Mk.3” as they called it. These battalions were deployed on the Western Front for the defense of Moscow. The 146th Tank Brigade (146-ya tankovaya brigada) of the 16th Army fought here. This brigade consisted of two tank battalions with a total of 40 Valentines and two Matildas. The first unit to be equipped with the Matilda was the 136th Separate Tank Battalion (136-y otdelniy tankoviy batal’on).
The tanks played an extremely important frontline role in the defense of Moscow as the Soviet’s own tank supply was running thin due to the heavy losses in the summer of 1941. Put in perspective, there were between 607 and 670 tanks at the Soviet’s disposal for the defense of the city and only 205 of these were indigenous T-34 Medium Tanks and KV-1 Heavy Tanks. The rest were a mix of light tanks and Lend\Lease vehicles.

>it wasnt a heavy tank
Arguable considering it was an infantry tank and thats what the British used in the Heavy Tank role, however, does the classification matter? it was still highly resilient (frontally) to most German guns and ALL German tank and anti-tank guns.
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 11:32:58 PM No.17796667
>>17796574
>all of this were violation
Source?
>Hacha understood it as a threat
Hacha never said this.
>Goering said that before Hacha signed anything
hearsay.
>>17796581
>you wanted
Nope. I didnt even mention the Matilda until you did.
I posted data for British lend lease armor and the critical role it played in the early war during Barbarossa, specifically the battle of Moscow.
>was considered shitty
it was considered shitty to maintain, they never said it was a bad combat tank and from all the accounts we have it was one of the tanks the Germans couldnt deal with barring the usage of extremely large cumbersome Flak88 guns.
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 4:55:50 AM No.17797296
>>17796286
>britain is ruled by pakistan and jews because pornstars AAAAAAAAIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEE HITLER SAVE ME
meds now faggot