Thread 17790049

>Africans once built marvels like this
What went wrong?

Carthaginians were self-imported Middle-Easterners, so not even "Africans" in the original sense of native North Africans

>>17790049 (OP)
Honest answer really is Communism and Islam
Countries like Ethiopia and Morrocco were great until the commies got in, fucked them up, ruined their family virtues, and they are still trying to rebuild

>>17790061
The elite was middle eastern sure. But the engineers who built OP pic were native black Africans.

>>17790095
>Honest answer really is Communism and Islam
It isn't.

>Countries like Ethiopia and Morrocco were great until the commies got in, fucked them up, ruined their family virtues, and they are still trying to rebuild
Either a bot post or legit retarded

>>17790103
Source?

>>17790105
Ethiopia was a great country that the colonial powers avoided because conquering them would cost them too much. They already have guns and crosses.

Morroco was the first country to recognize USA's independence, had a peaceful trade relationship, and had no qualms having diplomatic ties with the USA during the Barbary wars

>>17790103
native north Africans weren't and aren't black.

>>17790124
Yes, yes, and Italians weren't white

x is not white if it is poor
x is not black if it is rich

>>17790125
native north Africans weren't and aren't black nor white : they are caucasoids.

>>17790128
Yes, and Romans aren't white because they are Meditteraneans

>>17790049 (OP)
islamic culture causes gradual lowering of IQ through repeated 1st cousin marriage (1st cousin marriage lowers IQ) . This is why MENA was highly developed before Islam and in the first few centuries after islam but their rate of technological development became slower and slower relative to Europe the longer they've been islamic for.

>>17790132
no, Romans are white because they're European and white simply means people of European stock.

>>17790128

north africa trafficked and enslaved whites resulting in rampant mongrelization


thats all the really needs to be said on the matter

>>17790171
>1st cousin marriage lowers IQ
It doesn't.

>>17790049 (OP)
Elon Musk is an African and therefore a vantablack gorilla nigger.

>>17790171
Most of the muslim states in your pic don't do it though?

>>17790186
yes it does
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4196914/
>We found significant decline in child cognitive abilities due to inbreeding and high frequency of mental retardation among offspring from inbred families.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0160289608001608
>In this ecological study, a robust negative correlation of r = − .62 (P < .01) is reported between national IQs and consanguinity as measured by the log10 transformed percentage of consanguineous marriages for 72 countries.
>Jensen concluded based on a survey of the literature that consanguinity involving first-cousins leads to an inbreeding depression of between 2.5 and 3.5 IQ points on average
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3904202/
>Consanguinity is a well-known risk factor for genetic disorders, including diseases and syndromes that present with intellectual and developmental disabilities.
>The findings of the present study are similar to findings from other studies (13, 14) indicating that intellectual and developmental disabilities in addition to other genetic disorders are most likely to occur among inbred offspring and the risk is significantly higher than in non-consanguineous families.
https://www.discovermagazine.com/mind/cousin-marriage-can-reduce-iq-a-lot

>>17790189
Are you colourblind? It clearly shows the rates of inbreeding in MENA , pakistan and afghanistan are the highest in the world.

>>17790171
Cousin marriage and islam aren't really related, it's just that places where islam spread were mostly tribal/clan based societies and so cousin marriage was prevalent.

There's nothing in Islamic law/theology that encourages or even mentions cousin marriage

>>17790049 (OP)
Originally, those places were populated by whites people, and they built such things as those.

>>17790446
>Nigga uses the US census as his source

You cannot be serious, plus I don't know what your point is because the census considers CURRENT peoples from MENA as white. so unless you consider Saudis and Egyptians white I really have no idea what point you're trying to make

>>17790095
>islam
>family virtues
Yes. Beating your wife is def a virtue.

>>17790429
>Cousin marriage and islam aren't really related
yes they are. look at the map. Are you really telling yourself that it's just a double coincidence that the borders between both Christendom and islamic civilization (greece vs turkey), and india and islamic civilization (india vs pakistan) just so happen to have much higher rates of cousin marriage inbreeding on the islamic side of the border ?

> it's just that places where islam spread were mostly tribal/clan based societies and so cousin marriage was prevalent.
India was and was also tribal yet has significantly lower rates of inbreeding than pakistan.

>There's nothing in Islamic law/theology that encourages or even mentions cousin marriage

Totally wrong. Islamic law explicitly allows cousin marriage by stating which familial relations are not allowed to marry and not mentioning first cousins
This is spelled out in quran 4:23

By contrast roman law, which forbade first cousin marriage was the norm in the eastern roman empire of Anatolia, middle east and north africa, which were mostly christian roman lands (at least in the populated city centres) before islam conquered them.

everything in your post is wrong cope because you can't accept that muslim cousin marriage inbreeding has had a devastating depressing effect on the IQ, human capial and genetic quality of what used to be near the forefront of human civilization.

>>17790125
the word you are looking for is brown. its what you call those towelhead sort of phenotypes.

>>17790464
>CURRENT
The word is "original" not current. I know you know that, so stop playing pretend like you're an idiot.

Carthage was built by Phoenician settlers - they were semites

>>17790744
As described but as usual with the most cosmopolitan cities of their age they had multiculturalism, thing the romans often pointed out

>>17790789
>they had multiculturalism
Not really. Maghrebis weren't even real citizens. There was a small amount of syncretization, and of course some mixing between the canaanites and nafris, but the closer you were to a Tyrian heritage, the more status and prestige you had. Carthage had its culture that you were expected to follow. Maghrebi culture was looked down upon and to the extent it existed it was totally isolated in slums and the outskirts.

>>17790049 (OP)
would the world lose anything if OP died in a car pileup and we never saw his low effort bait threads again?

>>17790895
Which they had. Slums and outskirts that as we know are always more numerous than the central government

>>17790173
They are MUCH closer to Egyptians that the Franks

>>17790950
wrong. You can see how close the genetic distance (fixation index) of Europeans is in relation to Egypt in pic related
and how close egypt is to france here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixation_index#/media/File:FST_no_color_scale.png

however you could have chosen a better example. You could have said that greeks are more genetically close to people living in turkey than they are to Finnish people.

Still, Greeks are white and Turks are not. Why? Because white means people of European stock and Greece is European but Turkey is not.
White is a social construct and it means people of European stock, or if yoou want to be really precise then people of European stock belonging to the the civilisation of Christendom aka "the west" (and thus bosnians and muslim albanians are no longer white because they disassociated from white, christian, european civilization to join the hostile ,foreign, enemy civilization of islam)
>but that's not a biological cluster or a phylogeny nooo
so what? Being white doean't need to be a biological cluster or a phylogeny, it's a social construct based on ancestry to a particular geographic civilisation with a particular historical border. And this set of people specified by this social construct do still have interesting biological facts about their population genetics and predisposition for intelligence and things like that.

>>17791067
Italians were never white until 1950's
Piss off
"white" is just a buzzword for "rich people"

>>17791296
you're stupid and your bait's all retarded

>>17791391
Nigger, go look it up yourself
Italians were NEVER white nor European until 1950's

Why?
Because of Cold War alliances

>>17790478
>Beating your wife is def a virtue
That was common back in the day? Weird to say that since it implies everyone else never laid a hand on their spouses

>>17790223
>It clearly shows the rates of inbreeding in MENA , pakistan and afghanistan are the highest in the world.
Most of the Muslim world isn't in MENA retard.

>2.5 and 3.5 IQ points on average
Literally nothing. That's less than margin of error you actual troglodyte.

>>17790604
>India was and was also tribal
Not really for many parts.
>yet has significantly lower rates of inbreeding than pakistan.
lmao caste dating pools were small so you had caste inbreeding. Are you Indian or something?

>>17790171
This is the key factor that is missing in these med vs nord vs arab/nafri debates. European Meds are an intermediary group between the two aforementioned groups, the key difference being that across the pond those groups radically diverged due to the dysgenic effects of inbreeding and to a lesser extent, admixture from slave populations. This is why in the classical period many Roman and Greek writers observed greater differences between themselves and Northern Europeans than between them and the other people of the Mediterranean basin. Islam is the key factor here. Also, later eugenical practices by the Germanic peoples such as outbreeding, killing of criminals, Manorialism, etc. and the Germanic migrations into Southern Europe brought the European populations closer and widened the gap on both sides of the Mediterranean between peoples.

Those were build by the phonocians soooooooo not africans lol. They came from Lebanon. Moved to tunisia and built carthage. Then colonized along the coast similar to the greeks. They were destroyed by the romans. Killed and enslaved.

>>17790446
The people who built those things look like pic related not bantu or Indo-European but some were because both were still semi migratory at the time

>>17790103
>But the engineers who built OP pic were native black Africans.

>>17790049 (OP)
>PHOENICIA
>AFRICAN
you FUCKING monkey nigger. kill yourself right now. your iq is below 85, just die. fucking useless piece of shit. im sick and tired of these dumbass question threads made by sub 18, sub 85 iq chimps.

>>17790049 (OP)
>>Africans once built marvels like this
>What went wrong?
Civilisation allows r-selected individuals to outbreed K-selected individuals.
i.e. Civilisation creates idiocracy.
The reason the Carthaginians can't build like that any more is the same reason the Egyptians can't.
So, civilisation moved north, as southern empires imploded. Now take a look at what is happening to the demographics of Germany, Britain, France, and the USA also...
Very soon those nations will be incapable of any engineering feats. It's very clear that Russia where winters are still bitterly cold is going to be the last bastion of civilisation before the ice sheets return and wipe Eurasia clean again.

>>17790049 (OP)
you need to be 18 to post on here.