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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 12:38:30 PM No.17795421
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Why did communism never gain a strong foothold in America?
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 12:45:10 PM No.17795429
>>17795421 (OP)
It's the complete antithesis of the national character. Euros will say all they want that Americans don't have a culture,and they're wrong.
Our culture is "fuck you, I got mine"
Not compatible with communism. Communism only appeals the poor, dysgenic, and failed because it promises them success despite their failures
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 12:50:45 PM No.17795436
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>>17795421 (OP)
do global bankers gain from communism? can they buy all the housing, can they own the media, can they own the education, the healthcare?
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 1:16:02 PM No.17795470
>>17795421 (OP)
1. Larger, more spacious geography that makes organizing more difficult. Rural Americans have different concerns and experiences from urban Americans.

2. The average American sees themselves as self-made hustlers or farmers rather than members of a particular socioeconomic class

3. Communism is seen as too ideological and elitist. Americans generally favor pragmatic solutions to economic grievances under the framework of liberal democracy (such as the New Deal)
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 1:17:04 PM No.17795472
>>17795421 (OP)
Constituional law and pathos of America is the anti-thesis of Communism’s attack and abolishion of Private Propety, Marketing, Personal docile and wealth-building, and freedom of Social outcasting outside of state and society. So, no shocker it was never seen fondly by America and its people. And even more detested than Nazism at certain points.
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 2:01:38 PM No.17795552
>>17795421 (OP)
Communism works well in godless prison societies. That doesn't mean it can't creep in... 2020 was like a mini communist revolution.
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 2:16:05 PM No.17795565
>>17795552
t. sheltered
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 2:17:05 PM No.17795568
>>17795429
>dysgenic
Dilate
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 2:20:22 PM No.17795575
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>>17795436
the bluepilled are pre-conditioned to choose the blue pill, the red pill offends them
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 2:20:24 PM No.17795577
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>>17795421 (OP)
>Why did communism never gain a strong foothold in America?
Because white Americans don’t see black Americans as their peers, therefore, they don’t want black Americans benefiting from socialist systems.

That’s it. Same reason the healthcare system is so fucked up. They’ve floated better healthcare ideas for decades, but Americans, as a whole, never wanted it because it would go to black people as well.

Any kind of socialist system would entail paying black people to do nothing, which the US spends quite a bit of money on as is. For example, even today, only about 60% of adult black males in the USA work a full-time job. All government socialist programs become de facto associated with black people (Obama Phones).

You can’t sell white Americans on socialist ideas because they can already see the inevitable implementation. Socialism seems to only take hold in homogenous nations.
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 2:22:39 PM No.17795579
Because it was bright to the US by illegal immigrants allowing native whites to categorize it as an invasive low IQ ideology by who was professing allegiance to it
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 2:30:44 PM No.17795594
All the reasons above are trash.

Europe suffered under WW1 and WW2, like totally destroyed. Including the rich and the poor. They know collective pain unlike the Mutts who joined both the World wars at the very end and had no attacks on continental America.

The pain suffered by Europe made them realize they “are all in this together” and they need to take care of each other. So they started universal health care and other policies to take care of everyone post WW2.

Mutts like to larp but they never experienced real pain like pain of having your counties destroyed, pain of having bombers reduce your city to total rubble etc so they still have “fuck you I got my bag” thinking.
Europe will always be more maganaimous, more Catholic in values than mutts with no race no culture no history and no traumatic events in past
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 2:34:06 PM No.17795598
>>17795577
>>17795577
>Socialism seems to only take hold in homogenous nations
The Soviet Union was a multi-ethnic federation of Russians, Ukrainians, Armenians, Kazakh, etc. and China has many ethnic minorities such as Tibetans, Uyghurs, and Mongols. Cuba also has a large black population
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 2:36:35 PM No.17795604
>>17795594
Communism is just a peasant ideology, the US didn't have any peasants. England had a peasant rebellion in the 14th century following the black death. This can be seen as the first "liberal" movement in history as this idea of the state serving the people continued. Land reform was plentiful and all the communal land was corded off and sold.

Russia was like 250 years behind england socially in the late 19th century. It was also diverse and there wasn't a cohesive ideology to bring the empire together.

When communist homosexual Jews from Russia came to Manhattan I'm sure the natives considered them little more than some local wildlife
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 2:37:51 PM No.17795605
>>17795598

Soviet Union lost 80% of its males in WW2. Imagine if mutts lost 80% of its males, all the nigs would start looting and raping rest of the country next day itself

This is why Communism never took over America and never will. The population is too godless to care about one another. It will always be "fuck you i got mine" thing.

Europe got bombed to shit during WW1 and WW2 and yet no widespread looting, Russia lost all its men and no looting. Imagine if 80% of american white population died and think what happens to America the next day.
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 2:38:58 PM No.17795608
>>17795605
It was more like 20% of the fighting men
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 2:40:24 PM No.17795610
>>17795604
>England had a peasant rebellion in the 14th century following the black death.

Peaseant rebellion had nothing to do with Communism, it was basic Capitalistic supply and demand theme.

50% of peasants died so supply dried up. And there was lot of demand for peasants's work. So peasants renegotiated (aka rebelled) and got better terms. Its basic supply and demand theme as in any capitalistic society.
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 2:42:29 PM No.17795612
>>17795610
Communism is just a failed branch of liberalism that retards fell for.
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 2:44:59 PM No.17795616
>>17795612

cant argue on reasoning so the BBC riddled Mutt brain starts throwing shit on wall. Typical mutt.
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 2:54:56 PM No.17795625
>>17795616
You're just mentally retarded. Communism IS a perverted version of liberalism. Liberalism started after the peasants' rebellion in England focusing on individual rights, common law and fiscal responsibility of the government.

I'm sure you know that France then took this ideology of individualism and applied it to their centralized state creating socialism as an ideology. So socialism is just what happens when retards like the french try to take radical individualism and apply it to a country where everything is controlled by one city. Makes sense

Then of course communism is just a revolutionary cult based on socialism
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 3:00:34 PM No.17795630
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>>17795470
>The average American sees themselves as self-made hustlers or farmers rather than members of a particular socioeconomic class
I don’t think Americans truly grasp how strong the class mentality is. There were times in Europe where poor people were considered a different species entirely from rich people (in a scientific sense). Like not even the same type of human. Class was who you are. People defined themselves by their class, even the low class (when you’d think they’d have the incentive not to). My grandmother was low class in Europe, and she’d get very uncomfortable in nice hotels because she felt she didn’t belong in such places because of her class. This is despite the fact that she married a man that made decent money. The fact that she had wealth/money did not change her class, because class was not a financial state, it was birthright. A low class man who earned a billion dollars was still low class on account of his birth.

The idea is hilarious to me (and most other Americans). I’m a tall, muscular, rather handsome dude. The idea that some short, fat retard is better than me solely on account of being born into a higher class is hilarious. Even more so that he could still be higher class than me even if I have more money than him. Absurd.

Humans never run out of ways to put each other in groups.
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 3:01:26 PM No.17795631
>>17795577
>only about 60% of adult black males in the USA work a full-time job.
Source?
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 3:05:04 PM No.17795634
>>17795630
We're actually moving towards this mentality with how much certain people like to trash talk the poor
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 3:06:08 PM No.17795636
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>>17795598
>The Soviet Union was a multi-ethnic federation of Russians, Ukrainians, Armenians, Kazakh,
These people aren’t that different.
>China has many ethnic minorities such as Tibetans, Uyghurs, and Mongols.
China is like 98% Chinese. Not even close. Also, the Uyghurs are in fucking camps.
>Cuba also has a large black population
All Cubans are a mix of something. Mostly European and Native (Mestizo), but also a lot of black thrown in there as well. They’re all more or less the same mixture.
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 3:06:58 PM No.17795637
>>17795421 (OP)
Lives rent free on your heads
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 3:07:41 PM No.17795638
>>17795625

retard in America, the rich already have Communism.

The big banks are too big to fail aka Fed steps in to protect to shareholders of said companies( who are all upper class) from failing. When stonks fall (like during corona), Fed steps in to protect floor under stock prices, and 90% of stocks are owned by top 20%.

America is literally Communism but only for the rich. Keep watching blacked.com and think "muh communism bad, muh Mutt economy capitalist !!!". You deserve being an incel and spend rest of your life watching BBC while everyone around rapes you financially
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 3:07:43 PM No.17795639
>>17795634
>certain people
remember occupy wall street? 4chan was all of a sudden flooded by "capitalists", I call shill farms
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 3:09:50 PM No.17795645
>>17795421 (OP)
Most of its support base came from Ellis Islanders not old stock Americans.
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 3:09:59 PM No.17795646
>>17795421 (OP)
Anglo cultures are too individualist and the US historically lacked the rigid caste system that the UK had
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 3:15:47 PM No.17795655
>>17795638
Centralized banking was created by people pretending to be liberals, yes. The reason centralized banking was created was because it allowed Britain to print off as much money as it wanted and pass the cost off onto the people invisibly as inflation. This circumvented the popular revolutionary sentiment that started with peasant riots in the Middle ages.

The peasants won't riot if you call it inflation instead of taxes.

While centralized banking is something inherent in communism the real redpill is that it's just a form of control that a centralized government seeks.

So while communists are spinning on their heads talking about capitalism (which doesn't exist) they're ignoring actual tyranny

Reminder that the occupy wall Street people got paid off by Biden with 200 billion dollars
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 3:23:54 PM No.17795670
>>17795429
Correct. Even before the USSR was ever a thing, most Americans did not care for socialism. Even as American workers got into irl gunfights with strikebreakers, they did not care for abolishing class or capitalism and their goals were less “let’s seize the means of production” and more “fuck you, pay me”. This was literally noted by Marxists like Trotsky who were apparently horrified by Americans not giving a damn about class conflict.

Americans are not anti-socialist because of “mUh ReD sCaRe”, Americans were always anti-Socialist even before the USSR was a thing because simply put, Socialism does not appeal to your average American and never will. Socialism in America has always traditionally been seen as a collectivist ideology while your average American is a hyperindividualist who only cares about shit that directly affects their personal or work lives.
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 3:25:39 PM No.17795671
>>17795630
The class system was massively leveled in Europe by the events of the 20th century, although not so much in Britain which was never invaded or subjected to communism/fascism.
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 3:55:46 PM No.17795726
>>17795429
disregarding lolbert wording fpbp, it's also sorta >>17795577
>bacon's rebellion
within 1676 laws passed giving poor/indentured whites rights over blacks of the same socioeconomic status in jamestown and wider virginia, large parts of what would become the antebellum south followed suit
>irish/italian/chicano migration
funnelled into low wage jobs to compete against aforementioned poor races, if racial lines were broken their movement would be simply coopted through agreement with the most moderate faction, subsuming them into the middle class whilst violently putting down the rest with their help

american hyperindividualism developed specifically to maintain first the indenture system, then chattel slavery/mercantile industrialism and eventually industrial capitalism as it subsumed the nation, the only collectives americans recognise are race and it doesn't take a genius to understand how easily taken advantage of a group like that is
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 4:02:38 PM No.17795735
>>17795726
>posting 1619 project propaganda
Why is google peddling the lie that black slaves in the US were originally indentured servants? what kind of wackadoodle purpose would that serve?
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 4:05:18 PM No.17795740
>>17795735
It ties with the teeth mkultra they are pushing
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 4:38:33 PM No.17795785
>>17795630
>There were times in Europe where poor people were considered a different species entirely from rich people (in a scientific sense).
now?
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 4:41:01 PM No.17795788
>>17795630
>I’m a tall, muscular, rather handsome dude. The idea that some short, fat retard is better than me solely on account of being born into a higher class is hilarious.
>he is better than me when he earn(no matter how) more money
mutt logic
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 4:48:37 PM No.17795802
>>17795421 (OP)
I had heard that the government had implemented a series of propaganda measures about the evils of communism.
I also suppose that in some ways, US culture contrasts with communism, as the idea of the Land of Prosperity is spread, where people can become rich or acquire many goods if they set their minds to it in the US.
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 5:24:57 PM No.17795876
>>17795638
>>17795655

stop spreading antisemitism

>>17795785
By Europe you probably mean the UK which always had an upperclass from a different people than the lower classes. Add to it the extreme difference in food consumption you have man from the upperclasses who are "naturally" bigger and smarter than 99% of the lower classes and you can see why they did not treat them as equals.
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 5:30:21 PM No.17795891
>>17795876
Christians willingly created central banking for wars and industrialization. The centralization of power isn't something unique to communism. Once you realize that communism is the bastard child of actual centralizing ideologies you will realize how irrelevant it actually is. The only reason it succeeded in Asia is because they're naturally prone to massive centralized government which is due to their undeveloped imperial nature. So even in the third world like China all communism did was supplant the preexisting imperial structure.

The thing is, with such a backwards butthole culture like Asia that simply sort of kind of following tenants of socialism wielded with their imperial fist actually managed to reform their ridiculous backwards ritualistic society into something resembling a five thousand square mile mcdonalds
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 5:39:09 PM No.17795906
>>17795421 (OP)
americans are hate each other and think they're all future billionaires
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 5:40:27 PM No.17795908
>>17795421 (OP)
americans hate each other and think they're all future billionaires
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 5:44:08 PM No.17795917
>>17795908
long story short this is what they've psyopsed them into
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 5:44:40 PM No.17795919
>>17795726
American individualism developed because it was a colonialist and rural society with a nearly infinite frontier where people had to take care of themselves.
Then that was reinforced when mass immigration came over, and the foreigners were treated like shit and told to figure out everything on their own or starve to death like the useless mouths they were.
It was organic, not as part of some conspiracy.
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 5:46:05 PM No.17795922
Go back to the late 60s the "Hey hey, ho ho, Western civilization's gotta go" crowd were all rich failson college kids while the average blue collar American was ready to kick the shit out of them and voted for Nixon.
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 6:10:10 PM No.17795960
>>17795922
>Hey hey, ho ho, Western civilization's gotta go
Who said this?
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 7:28:57 PM No.17796108
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>>17795421 (OP)
I think it's better to start with asking the question of why communism gained a strong foothold in Russia, China, and a few other places (Yugoslavia). The main thing is that these were countries seriously lagging behind in industrialization, and the Marxists were the most pro-industrial of the revolutionary parties, and the native capitalists tended to be more like comprador / middlemen for foreign business interests (including in Russia) engaged in resource extraction, which set the stage for radical, pro-industrial, anti-feudal / anti-traditionalist, anti-capitalist parties to seize power and an attempt to modernize those societies.

Also a complete lack of a democratic tradition which enabled these revolutions to attain a certain monolithic character:
https://youtu.be/L7i1LY441Hs

>>17795630
Good post.

>>17795470
I think the Pragmatism is a big one. The "fuck you, pay me" attitude mentioned here >>17795670 but that can be expressed in a form of American socialism, but it's a pragmatic one. People can debate whether our socialist politicians are "real" socialists (to be honest I don't fucking care) but generally it's gonna take this form I think, and there were actually a fair number of these people in the early 20th century and we're probably returning to the historical median.

American federalism and "all politics is local" also plays a role. For example, the national DSA organization is basically useless and the people in it who read Trotsky and want to turn it into some centralized vanguard party can unendorse AOC because she was too close to Biden, but it has no politically effect, and the NYC-DSA which powered Mamdani's win can just ignore them if they want to. In reality the org is like a brand for a various, semi-autonomous local initiatives.
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 7:50:26 PM No.17796152
>>17796108
Before the industrial revolution europe had free trade and each country had a staple export that other countries didn't have which facilitated trade. England started tariffing like crazy, for instance, the wool trade, in order to facilitate the creation of mills and industry. England realized how filthy fucking rich this made them so they kept doing it. Eventually collapsing the balance of trade in europe and globally with their empire.

Huge empires like russia, which enjoyed relative peace economically now were 300 years behind and they were determined to make up the difference. The power struggle in europe then became who was going to have the most powerful industry, corruption of course was rife. This is where communists and socialists fall in who were like "fuck it, we'll do it live".
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 7:58:10 PM No.17796160
>>17795577
>communism is when black people
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 8:00:04 PM No.17796163
>>17796152
>The power struggle in europe then became who was going to have the most powerful industry
Also this this how you get Volkswagen shrugging at their factories being used to make landmines with slaves they keep in a prison they made next to their factory and Russian gulags
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 8:11:32 PM No.17796193
>>17796152
A Marxist insight that I'm influenced by is that societies evolve through an interplay of the base/superstructure to enable the expansion of the forces of production. The reason this happens is because as societies come into contact with each other, they compete, and the ones which fall behind risk exiting the stage of history, and since no society willingly lets that happen to them, they will reform or revolutionize their politics, ideas, religion, etc. to help them level up otherwise they'll perish eventually. And that was a case in point.

But it doesn't necessarily follow that people will choose socialism. It doesn't mean that socialism is suitable for everyone, everywhere. That happened to be what people chose at that time given their situation. I don't like counter-factual history where people go "what if?" the Bolsheviks didn't win or the Confederacy won or whatever.

The particular forms that the "left" and "right" of any given society take are also reflections of existing social contradictions in that society, which are evolving and changing. People grope around for historical reference points and also terms of abuse, but the left and right in American politics today are more of a reflection of that society's own evolution. Both the left and right are actually necessary to the given system, and they are fighting but it's through that collision which contributes to social evolution. That's a long way of saying that the idea of forming a Red Guard or blackshirt Squadristi in the U.S. in 2025 is ridiculous and would be a LARP.
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 8:23:38 PM No.17796230
>>17796193
I think where marx fails is historically. We haven't changed all that much. It was only very recently large portions of the population were shunted into commie blocks.

Rather than that meaning we have a very limited history and I can just make up whatever I want about social issues I think it actually means we have a VERY deep connection to nature, agrarianism, communal ways of life. And from this came government, law, religion. Basically all of what we call human society.

Rather than industrialization being some reoccurring battle fought against white collar burghers who are somehow connected to the slave masters of Rome, I think it was an accident.
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 8:34:50 PM No.17796256
Any attempt to implement socialist policies in America is simply affecting wealth transfer from white people to non-whites, especially to blacks. Whites pay the overwhelming majority of taxes in the United States, so the welfare programs that exist today are essentially provided by whites to the entire population, and as whites have seen their majority gradually shrink, the burden on them to provide welfare to the rest of the country has grown more onerous.

As long as white people control America it will never be socialist or communist. Even if whites become like a 30% minority in the US, and lose most of their representation in government, they will still cling to old institutional power via wealth and influence, and they will ensure no such reforms are passed.
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 8:48:37 PM No.17796283
because it wasnt a pisspoor medieval society
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 9:12:58 PM No.17796342
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>>17796256
If anything, the blacks have not been attracted to this neo-socialism. (If you look at the NYC mayoral election, Cuomo did best in black areas in Brooklyn. Bernie Sanders also struggled with them.) Suspect it's because the welfare state you're talking about is really a corrupt, corporatist relationship they've developed with the Democratic Party's urban machinery. A bit like the PRI in Mexico.

Seems like the biggest constituency for socialism now are PMC millennial whites. As much as communists have this fantasy of hardhat industrial workers, what has really gone down in the U.S. is elite overproduction where there are more degrees than jobs (or for the particular type of jobs), and they can't afford to buy a house and are getting squeezed by rising rents and other costs, but they make too money to qualify for gibs and public housing like the negroes who have been sticking with the establishment.
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 9:23:20 PM No.17796361
>>17795636
>These people aren’t that different.
Poor understanding of Eurasia.
>China is like 98% Chinese. Not even close. Also, the Uyghurs are in fucking camps.
And this shows you know even less. Han Chinese is an all-encompassing ethnicity made up of a bunch of different ethnicities. Look up what mainland China's flag represents.
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 9:40:56 PM No.17796401
>>17795421 (OP)
The state and the people's presence simply doesn't feel the same way and only leads to an attitude of self-reliance and pragmatism centered around the self.
Maybe it's the cultural impact of frontier towns or the ethos of the american people given by their constitution/bill of rights, but the idea of having a significant portion of your life handled by the state or the collective seems alien to the image of the american that one can formulate.
I'm from (western) Europe but I've lived a significant part of my life in the USA (West coast too) and the individualistic and self-centered approach of the american people makes a socialist system impossible.
The idea that one ought to factor into account others or have to follow the state's values seems fundamentally in contradiction with the spirit of the people I've met in the US (including californians who openly bragged about their democratic membership or whatever). The altruism and necessary part of the collective on the individual seems too foreign to be seriously considered in the US.
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 10:07:24 PM No.17796471
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>>17796401
>the idea of having a significant portion of your life handled by the state or the collective seems alien to the image of the american that one can formulate.
There's a very strong belief in DIY. Like DoorDash and all this exists here but I've literally never used it, someone delivering fast food to my door is weird to me, like feudal servants. I can go pick up my own goddamn food! I can carry my own bags! I don't need a driver. I have a car. I know how to drive.

You go to some countries, there is so much cheap labor, the professional-managerial class is used to having other people do everything for them. Thinking for yourself too. This can turn reactionary like with anti-vaxx schizos but the basic impulse to "do your own research" is a healthy one. I don't need some class of experts to tell me how to live, let alone some vanguard party of intellectuals. But our background was a bunch of yeoman farmers where you literally did their own research to survive.

>californians who openly bragged about their democratic membership or whatever
It's my understanding that European parties can have some kind of formal membership. The vast majority of voters are not formal members of parties of course, but in the U.S., a party is more of a ballot line and anyone can run as a D or R. It doesn't mean you'll necessarily get support if you're not in cahoots with others "in the party" but it's built a little different.

Unrelatedly, but I heard an anecdote about some Die Linke members paying a visit to the DSA and asking questions to learn from them to apply in Germany, like how DSA members would do door-to-door canvassing, and these Germans' experience with it was knocking on people's doors and being like "Hello are you a member of the precariat." Obviously the Germans would do that in the most brutally direct and autistic way. Their party did improve in the last election though and they're clearly trying to mimic the AOC types in America:
https://youtu.be/jaD4t-UN4E4
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 4:22:23 AM No.17797226
>>17795421 (OP)
It was sabotaged pretty heavily and had serious setbacks like Khrushchev's secret speech, but really the death knell was ethnic tensions in America and to a lesser degree infiltration. European countries were largely homogenous, America was not, and would be come increasingly less so as the 20th century wore on. The liberal democracies of Europe could co-opt certain policies of leftist movements into their own parliamentary structure and create a sort of quarantine zone for the radical elements while simultaneously offering concessions in the form of social programs. World War II ended up drawing the boundaries between commie and non-commie pretty definitively before this process could play out to its greatest extent, but that's another issue.

In America this did not happen because of how much the blacks and whites and other ethnic groups all hate each other. The mutual mistrust and segregation these groups seek from each other pretty much destroys any semblance of class consciousness and solidarity, syndicalist will can't really arise in workspaces with mixed racial make ups, or at least it is much easier to thwart. This is why diversity and gay shit is the tagline of modern liberal democracies and more broadly corporatists, it makes each worker hate each other more than they hate the boss. I realize this sounds basically just like a myopic Zizek take repackaged and trust me there are many more reasons than just this singular issue, but this is at the root of it.
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Anonymous
6/28/2025, 4:38:46 AM No.17797259
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like all New World cunts American society has historically had more of a race than a class based caste system and there are specific roles and lines of work that are considered acceptable or not acceptable to do depending on one's racial background with persons from the highlighted cunts occupying the highest rung
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Anonymous
6/28/2025, 4:42:40 AM No.17797265
Marx-style Communism was not culturally relevant enough in 19th century America to take hold, especially after 1880 when America was entering its Gilded Age and quickly becoming the worlds largest economy
Post-20th Century Communism was a non-starter in America since it was the ideology of Americas political enemies so it was dismissed purely out of principle and nothing more.
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 4:46:58 AM No.17797273
>>17797259
>Pooland highlighted
t. some fat kielbasa-eating fuck in Chicago who wears a Bears jersey to McDonalds
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 4:49:11 AM No.17797281
>>17797259
America lacked a formalized racial caste system, it's in part why it was so successful compared to other new world countries despite not necessarily being more resource rich. Slavery was much less integral to our economy and the nation itself formed on the back of successful farmers/traders/industrialists. There was so much land almost everyone could grab something and then as urbanization took off it was off to the races really. Pair that with some startlingly prescient early territorial acquisitions and you get the U.S of today. Yes there was still some in-group preferences but nowhere near the Viceroy and Casta system of Mexico or other South American nations. Just look at /bant/ if you want to see people from these nations still arguing about who is white and who isn't. The glaring exception to this is the natives, but they were pretty much wiped out from disease and unable to defend themselves from European expansion by the time they were finished off in the American-Indian wars of the 19th century.
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 4:56:01 AM No.17797297
>>17797259
Not as formal as Latin America's but generally some unwritten rules have always applied like Jews are expected to do traditionally Jewy stuff like finance, entertainment, law etc and the US military is primarily people of Anglo-German stock. We also have yet to elect a president not of at least part British Isles ancestry except for Martin Van Buren.
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 5:08:55 AM No.17797312
>>17797259
>they were right and simply traveling to the US made them better people
inshallah
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 5:17:53 AM No.17797322
>>17795735
elaborating, the handlin theory that the first black slaves were qualitatively identical to indentured whites is wrong, i agree, i do think that similarities that didn't exist in fully developed chattel slavery existed though and that's why i differentiate for no purpose past badly communicated nuance, sorry
>>17795919
>American individualism developed because it was a colonialist and rural society with a nearly infinite frontier where people had to take care of themselves.
so why did bacon's rebellion happen? it was started by poor white settlers on the rural frontier buffering urban centres (where the vast majority of the population lived far less romantic lives) from native encroachment whilst not being compensated or allowed themselves to encroach and yet the exact opposite of your organic societal spirit happened and continued to happen despite the promotion of the aforementioned culture
>muh immigrants
why did infrastructure projects feel the need to separate immigrant workers from one another and american nationals in fears of revolt then?
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 5:54:24 AM No.17797391
>>17795594
Cool story bro, but none of this explains why Australia and Canada (also unharmed by the world wars) are fine with universal healthcare and basic labour rights which the US lacks.
Additionally, countries like Sweden and Switzerland only experienced rationing in the wars but they didn't suffer any physical damage nor did they see any significant number of deaths
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 5:56:08 AM No.17797396
>>17795605
>Soviet Union lost 80% of its males in WW2
Lmao you fucking stupid cunt, that number is referring to males born in 1923, and it includes all the babies born in infancy along with every male of that cohort who died from natural causes or diseases before 1945 (e.g. famine, disease, accidents, etc.)
If the USSR lost 80% of its males in WWII then polygamy would be a staple of Cold War Russia kek
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 9:33:34 AM No.17797649
>>17795605
>fuck you got mine
Your bias is showing, I'll turn it around so you can see it.
>We are fellow citizens, not each other's slaves for convenience, to redistribute based on force is evil. Let us deal in persuasion instead.
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 10:08:40 AM No.17797674
nopasaran
nopasaran
md5: bc7ed6bff9aeb937ea89c04296095773🔍
>>17797226
>European countries were largely homogenous, America was not, and would be come increasingly less so as the 20th century wore on.
I don't find this very convincing because 20th century Europe was full of ethnic bloodshed, pogroms, and expulsions. I mean just look at Yugoslavia where the communists won. There were heads on pikes, people getting thrown off mountain cliffs. The violent, ethnic and nationalistic animosities between people there makes America look relatively tolerant by comparison.

Issues of language, accent, and class-inflected accents and dialects has been a whole thing in Europe. In the Russian Empire, minority languages could be banned from the public square (like publishing). Spain has had Basque seperatists. A closer analogy might be to the modern-day Middle East which still has armed radically left-wing revolutionary organizations that also exist in an environment of really hardcore racism and sectarianism:
https://youtu.be/bVa-lr-wJyI

The main thing is that the U.S. overall has been quite stable. There's this idea (common among white nationalists or those sympathetic to it) that America's racial divisions are a source of instability and that left-wing socialism isn't possible because it requires a certain degree of homogeneity. But it could be that this isn't the case, and America is actually pretty stable and that's why people don't go for radical alternatives. The U.S. had an uninterrupted constitutional order with one big exception in the 1860s. We're more like Britain in that regard.
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Anonymous
6/28/2025, 11:01:37 AM No.17797725
>>17797674
"muh homogenism" is a cope by retards who have never actually read history. Europe is naturally a shitshow of mixed up ethnicities, mixed areas, religious and racial differences. The modern "homogenous" state of europe is the result of 150 years of top down assimilationist policies by Liberal and Leftist movements. And it still only actually became a fact after WW2 and the mass population transfers and expulsions (like the emmigration of most of the continents remaining Jewish population) to reach a state even close to "homogenous". Anyone who says "But America is too diverse for Communism" doesn't understand that homogeneity is something built, not inherent.
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 11:11:15 AM No.17797734
The real reason Communism never took off in America was that things simply never reached a crisis point like it did irregularly in Europe until the Great Depression, at which point there was an actual possibility of a socialist revolution. The reason the New Deal existed was too head off this very real fear. As for WHY America never reached this crisis point earlier, it had several "safety valves", most importantly westward expansion, to relieve the burden on the lower classes or at least redirect malcontents out into the wilderness where they would't cause the ruling class trouble. Thanks to Mr Smallpox North America was practically empty and that meant a lot of the things capitalism ruins for people (like no one having land and being forced into wage slavery) could be avoided by moving out west to all that empty land and starting a new community. Of course land is not infinite and so this is an unsustainable model. So we now see America falling to those same problems and people are starting to think maybe this socialism thing has something to it after all.
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 12:55:42 PM No.17797820
>>17795429
>>17795670
It's these two mostly, the national character of the American means any form of socialism would need to account for the libertine values of the American, which they really didn't do. America was founded under the time of early liberalism, American sub-civilization is a fundamentally liberal civilization, unlike that of Anglo or Australian sub-civilizations
You can see the national character of each sub-civilization being in pattern with the major ideologies of the day they were founded, at least until recently. Australians for example tended to be both a very racialist and egalitarian/socialist people, with them having largest communist party in any anglosphere country in comparison with total population. And by having some of the strictest racial laws of any Anglo country until the 70s. A lot of the time it would be the more hardline socialist types that would defend and embrace the racialist position, getting to the point where Australian socialists would argue with Marx's nephew about how deporting non-whites from Australia was a socialist position.
Essentially an American socialism would have to be a highly liberal form of 'socialism'
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 3:16:32 PM No.17798030
>>17797674
historically blacks were the "out group" you could kick the shit out of with no consequences whereas in Europe it was often Jews or some other disliked minority yet even the ugliest outbreaks of racial conflict in US history never approached what happened in Europe