The only reason why nordicist sissies want to claim North Italy is because as a region, they are better than most of Northern Europe by every metric, GDP per capita, HDI, IQ, etc. and to top it off they have the history that Northern Europe lacks.

In reality Northern Italians are less NW European than Iberians even.

>>17796845 (OP)
but more NE euro

>>17796917
Yes, but they’re not closer on average to any Germanic nation, which are the people who are trying to claim them.

>>17796845 (OP)
It's so bizarre seeing nordicists online write that northern Italians are ''germanic'' also, like I just assume they must be mostly americans who never actually traveled to Europe. Northern Italians still overwhelmingly look like a med people with dark hair and eyes, not like northern euros

Looking at PCAs can cause confusion, admixture paints a more complicated picture.

Northern Italians were ethnic Imperial Romans who were north shifted by an additional Northern European admixture from the Barbarian invasions of Goths, Lombards, and Burgundians and maybe immigration during the Holy Roman Empire. They have about half as much East Mediterranean but twice as much Northern European as South Italians who were still affected but to a lesser degree. The late antiquity samples from Urbino Bivio are from near Northern Italy but cluster with modern South Italians. I believe this is probably representative of Northern Italy before the incursion of the Germanic tribes if not more south shifted due to a little more East Med and a lack of a Celtic influence. The very large East Med admixture in them would be impossible to explain otherwise.

Nobody would ever regard a 1/2 Spaniard (most similar to ancient italics), 1/4 Greek Islander (east med), 1/4th Dutch (germanic) person to be Celtic or Germanic. Which is more or less what a Northern Italian is if we're going by closest modern ethnicities to ancient ones even though I hate these kinds of comparisons. You can't regard a North Italian as Germanic, Italic, Roman, Celtic, they are mixed between a lot of different ancestry sources from all over the place but are some of the most historically accomplished people in the history of Europe and the world which is why many want to claim them. And South Italians have the same building blocks but with much different proportions of these same components, except for Sicily which has some North African influence. Italians just don't neatly fit in with any other European group.

>>17797046
>Looking at PCAs can cause confusion, admixture paints a more complicated picture.
Mega cope and it's embarrassing.

>>17796845 (OP)
Hey OP who is Lombardy named after?

One person in this picture is Danish the other is Northern Italian

>>17797559
>an area being conquered by some group means that they replaced the local population
this almost never happens in history, but /pol/jaks think it happened every time

>>17797565
The woman has med features

>>17797618
yes correct

>>17797567
You must have many examples of the opposite then?

>>17797160
The upcoming paper agrees with me. Truth hurts.

>>17797559
London was named after Romans, are Anglos the same as Italians? You are retarded.

It’s great to be me. Mostly NW European with just a touch of Italian to give me a true descent from the Romans. I can claim anything really. Feels good.

>>17796845 (OP)
This is just Cisalpine Gaul.
Once again nordicist falsification of history to alleviate their inferiority complex to actual best boy Gallia.

>>17798365
>London was named after Romans
no it wasn't
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etymology_of_London

>>17796845 (OP)
Northern Italians have almost double the amount of steppe admixture as Iberians.

Not to mention Iberians have sub-Saharan African ancestry, which even Greeks and Southern Italians don't have.

>>17800149
Greekjeet, stop...

>>17800152
he's american

>>17800152
>>17800167
Concession accepted.

>>17800149
This. Hunterjeet admixture is not white. They were dark skinned australoid pygmies. North Italians are whiter than most South French even.

>>17799964
Those are just unproven theories, in the very first paragraph of this article they explicitly state that the first ATTESTED form of the word was in Latin.

>>17796939
Most, if not all, nordicist are probably latinos and la creatura de McDonald's

>>17800434
Oh so I guess Swedes are less white than Iberians since they have more WHG admixture

>>17800149
You realize every European has sub saharan admixture, right? For starters, why do you think North Italians are genetically closer to Sub Saharans? Magic?

>>17800574
North Italians fuck Somalis and Iberians are born. Iberians are closer to both North Africans and sub-Saharan Africans.

>>17796939
What's even weirder is genetically northern italians are more celtic than germanic. I've seen heat maps of germanic dna and there's definitely parts of Italy with germanic dna. BUT, northern italians are majority celtic with small amounts of germanic dna oddly enough. Also, many "southern italians" have tons of greek dna and a big minority of middle eaatern dna. Specifically from the levant. During the roman days there was a massive middle eaatern migration to Southern Italy. Slaves? Immigrants? Who knows. Also, many jews have european blood, specifically from italian mothers lol. Genetics is really cool.

>>17801139
You literally could not be more wrong. This is what happens when you only look at PCAs and Twitter slop. Northern Italians being Cisalpine Celts is a fantasy. If southern Italians are largely middle eastern than northern Italians are half as much. This preprint of a study of new samples from the Imperial era spells it out very clearly >>17797046

They are terroni or an extension of the terroni cline shifted north by a mixing with Northern Europeans in the migration period and early Middle Ages.

>>17796845 (OP)
I'm confused on why white supremacist pick nordic ethnicities as their purest form of the "Master race", isn't their entire ideology based around
>White people are the most technologically/economically advanced race on Earth, managed to subjugate most of the world
>Therefore the white race is superior

Nordic countries geopolitically and technologically have been irrelevant for practically all of history, they never really colonized anything except for Viking Raids. If anything the "Master race" should be Anglo Saxons if you're looking at modern history and people's of the near east (Levant, Greece, Italy, North Africa) and the Chinese if you're looking at all of history.

>>17800563
No, it isn't. The Netherlands has "Leiduinen", which can be translated as "Lugh's Dunes", which bares a striking resemblance to Londen. Leiden probably has the same Celtic roots

>>17801177
everyone larps as anglo or japanese these days
their pop culture are the only ones that are relevant

>>17797567
Usually they just mix together and the smaller group gets absorbed. The Hungarians invaded and took over hungry. Do most Hungarians have Asian dna? No. Russians took over large parts of central asia and Eastern europe. Are they full of russians? No. Vandals took over tunisia. So most tunisians have germanic dna? No. But sometimes the invader commits genocide. Although it's more rare than people think. Rulers want laborers and taxpayers and cannon fodder for future wars. It's a waste to kill people you need.

>>17796845 (OP)
>they are better than most of Northern Europe by every metric
they aren't. what kind of retarded data are you looking at

>>17800149
No they don't. They have north african admixture. Which makes sense. It's relatively easy to go from spain to North africa and vice versa.

>>17797046
>>17801154
It says they are 20-30% Imperial. Same thing applies to Iberians, except they also have nafri/negro admixture on top of it. Everyone who was conquered by Romans has some Imperial admixture, even Germans.

>>17802023
>using bantu instead of ibm
You're not being serious greekjeet

>>17801154
it says the newly studied individuals are 3/4 IA italic + 1/4 middle eastern, while the modern ones have 20% IA swedish on top of that, so in total the modern ones are around 15% middle eastern

>>17802041
if there's someone that is not being serious is you, he's american, not greek,, and you are french

>>17802023
Untrustworthy G25 slop. Iberians have IBM, not Bantu negro admixture. No they are not nearly as imperial as North Italians. They wouldn’t have way less CHG than Italians do if there were similar amounts.

>>17801213
Hungarians do have Asian DNA. It’s just a small amount.

>>17797565
Obviously the woman she has those Jew traits most Italians have.

>>17802043
First of all it’s very disingenuous and dishonest to call it Middle Eastern and internal migration and further migration also exist. Modern northern Italians are still at least 25% east Mediterranean and this is the case in models and obvious when you look at their Neolithic components.

>>17802052
> They wouldn’t have way less CHG than Italians do if there were similar amounts.
and how do you know how much chg they have compared to italians? lemme guess you saw a g25 chart?
> No they are not nearly as imperial as North Italians.
they're almost as imperial as north italians according to studies too

"roman" here is imperial

>>17802066
it's very disingenuous to misrepresent the study, the study calls it middle eastern, not me, and it says the ancient samples are 3/4 local and 1/4 middle eastern, and follows it up by claiming that the modern north italians are that +20% northwest european, therefore overall they're less than 1/4 middle eastern

>>17802052
>They wouldn’t have way less CHG than Italians do if there were similar amounts
Basques and South French have negligible amounts of Caucasus admixture. Many studies noted this. This would apply to the pre-Roman Iberian population in general, while Italy had many populations on the high CHG side before Rome was a thing like the Picenes and Daunians.

>>17802072
It says towards Near Easterners, not Middle Eastern. These are not interchangeable. Anyway North Italians have 10% non Steppe related CHG that Italics and Cisalpine Celts did not have. How do you get 15% total NE from that? They would have had to be Georgians. You are not making any sense.

>>17802084
Still less than Italians. Daunians and Picenes had some CHG admixed individuals but it was overall heterogeneous and on average much less than today and even then it was likely from east Mediterraneans. Most CHG in Italians is not from Italics of the Bronze Age. And that would be a ridiculous claim.

>>17802092
it says "contemporaneous groups in the near east", which means imperial era middle easterners because the population in question is from the imperial era, so middle easterners

>Anyway North Italians have 10% non Steppe related CHG that Italics and Cisalpine Celts did not have.
if true it makes sense with 20% middle eastern ancestry since middle easterners are half chg/iran_n

>>17802108
>>17802052
it seems typical non basque iberians have as much chg as north italians do, only basque iberians are different, this is because basque have no imperial ancestry, while iberians can have up to half of their ancestry being imperial roman, like in spaniards from murcia

>>17796845 (OP)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_Union_regions_by_GDP

>>17802134
Iberians have barely any Roman ancestry. They are predominantly descended from the illiterate aboriginals of Hispania that were slaves and prostitutes. The Roman genocide of them was incomplete.

>>17802288
they have a ton of imperial roman ancestry

>>17802288
that's only true for the basques, that were not illiterate, as the Hand of Irulegi demonstrates

>>17802294
>they have a ton of imperial roman ancestry
No, they don't retard.

>>17802298
>that's only true for the basques
Basques are pure Iberians. Portuguese and Spaniards are Iberians mutt'd with North Africans and a very small amount of Imperial Roman.

>>17802119
They call Greeks "Near Eastern" in these studies. It's not completely wrong since they had Anatolian-related ancestry, but it might be politically motivated.

>>17796845 (OP)
>In reality Northern Italians are less NW European than Iberians even.
Due to later watering out of germanic heritage from the time of Romes sacking.
One of my tribal ancestors of the Rugii ruled the Po Valley for some time, and when they lost to Odoacer, their peoples merged with the remnants of the Heruli and Scirii to form the Bavarii around where the Rugii had an outpost already around 100ad. The graves of southern norway is full of mercenaries whom served the Romans as well as of those whom served in the sack of Italy. The truth is that Caesar, Augustus & Juba II became anti-east after realizing the frontier germanics were not worth defeating because they were content with serving as mercenaries anyways, unlike the gauls and celts whom operated at a much stronger family-based pride as opposed to individual-of-nation type of pride seen in germanics.
When the western romans started to budge for the eastern churches of christianity, the masculine warculture which had slowly been integrating germanic mercenaries became even more unified in their opposition to the east. This is the real reason why the Council of Nicaea decided to outlaw the form of christianity most prevalent/lenient towards germanic views, because they were already planning the church-backed invasion of the West by pre-emptively outlawing "non-eastern" beliefs like Arianist christianity. Of course the outlawing of Arius was nothing more than wargames waged by the lingering roman mindset of the Constantinople upper class. They wanted to centralize the faith in their coming battle against the germanophilic western roman empire.

>>17796845 (OP)
Nobody ever claimed they’re Germanix, the southern half of Germany (this includes Austria and Swiztaland) are predominantly Celtic. Eastern Germany has Slavic admixture

The claim is that they are continental celts like the French and other Central Europeans

Northern Italy was settled (twice) by Germanic peoples. They left very little lasting genetic imprint, but it is there. Hell, "Lombardy" is still named after one of those tribes.

What's the admixture in Veneto?

>>17803964
yeah but london though

>>17802023
Use Denmark_IA instead of Spain_Visigoth.

>>17802023
>0% Roman
>2% Bantu
Moorberian troons....

>>17796845 (OP)
>richest most powerful ports after rome's collapse started by celtic pirates that roflstomp meds
>they eventually hit a road block at the byzantine empire and overthrow it by directing a crusade there

>>17796845 (OP)
The only industry in north italy is the one where they employ the chinese. Italians like other Mediterraneans are genetically incapable of finding employment and this thread(and many others like it popping up daily on this board) is a testament to this

>>17804214
They're the original globohomos, of course they import chinks

>>17804221
nice armor though

>>17804221
Why do you think the great coof epidemic hit Italy hard coincidentally just after the chinks living there came back from celebrating Chinese new year in their own country? This stuff is not some kind of imagination of mine or shitposting. Northern Italian industry is almost entirely Chinese staffed because it's impossible for an Italian to work. They can only do things like post on 4chan about mean nordicists.

>>17804227
>it's impossible for an Italian to work
To be fair the chinks didn't start coming until the 90's, northern italy was way coomed out financially by the 20th century and is a prime target for thirdie infection. Once the chinks sniffed out their rotten butthole they came with forks and knives

>>17804234
or should I say, the ITALIAN GLOBOHOMOS SOLD OUT THEIR CITIZENS

>>17796845 (OP)
>In reality Northern Italians are less NW European than Iberians even.

Completely wrong.
Aosta and Friuli are majority northern Euro, while Trentino and Veneto being very close.
No Spanish region is even close to those numbers.

And the funniest thing is that Lombardy has some of the HIGHEST levels of southern Euro (ANF) admixture on the continent - after Sardinia and Corsica.

>>17801181
>which bares a striking resemblance

>london was named after romans

>>17804254
>Calabria is the only region that managed to remain pure and avoid barbarian ape ancestry
vgh...RVMA AETERNA