Thread 17799021

How would the world have reacted if, during the collapse of the Soviet Union Iran had occupied and annexed Azerbaijan?

How would the Azeris have felt about it?

>>17799021 (OP)
And lose their alliance with Russia? They'd probably get a Russian counterattack for their trouble and Azerbaijan would be Russian today. I think you're forgetting there were several war in the 90s against feral amish who tried to break chunks off the old USSR without having the cards.

>>17799021 (OP)
Azerbaijan is much more Turkish than Persian. I agree that fake communist "countries" like Macedonia and Moldova shouldn't exist anymore

>>17799021 (OP)
Azeris would revolt against them and Turkey/nato would buttrape them

>>17799021 (OP)
Azeris would be mad after they gave so much for independence. A quarter of Iran would be angry revolting Azeris while Iran was sanctioned to oblivion before its time leading to its collapse. Then there's the issue of Karabakh...

>>17799037
Old Azeri was an actual language, and an Iranian one. They just switched to speaking Turkish so they could trade between the Anatolian Turks and the Central Asian Turks bypassing the Iranian plateau.

>Azeris
>Bosniaks
>Albanians
Why did they cuck to the Ottomans so hard?

>>17799035
Russia lost the first Chechen War

>>17799021 (OP)
Iran had literally JUST finished getting pasted by Iraq. they don't have the resources to do this.

>>17799299
What do you mean?

>>17799333
sort of. Basayev understood the art of the deal

>>17799378
>Azeris
Switched languages
>Bosniaks
>Albanians
Converted

>>17799446
All of them revolted against the Ottomans.

>>17799021 (OP)
Well as long as they didn’t take Artsakh we’d treat them as heroes

>>17799339
This.

>>17799446
The Azeris “switched languages”?

>>17799021 (OP)
nothing would have happened like Tibet

>>17799021 (OP)
what about it if it went further and had occupied and annexed the historical Persosphere lands?

>>17799021 (OP)
>>17800242
Vgh...

>>17800242
It will be majority pakis

>>17799021 (OP)
There are a lot of Azeris in Iran, even the Supreme Leader himself is half Azeri. They aren't separatists, unlike the Kurds and Balochis. So Iran could probably have pulled it off, since they have enough shared history to keep them in the country.

>>17799299
Azeris didn't cuck to the Ottomans (and indeed fought them off and started the Safavid monarchy for good measure), they switched to Turkish earlier under the Seljuks

>>17800558
Azeris founded the Safavid dynasty and launched the Shia revolution

>>17800558
Nuh-uh Azeris in the North were fiercely independent while even those in the South were at worst largely on the fence about it. Besides Azeris are an ostracized minority in Iran, they don't have a say in how the country runs.

>>17799669
Seriously most of their male population from 15 to 45 was dead or walking around with missing limbs.

>>17801052
They can't be that ostracized if even the leader is an Azeri

>>17799021 (OP)
Iran was incredibly fragile following its war with Iraq. Iran never really intended to annex RoA, rather bring it under its sphere like it did with Iraq decades later. In fact, Iran supported RoA more than Turkey did during the first Karabakh war. While Turkey sent humanitarian aid to Armenia in 1992 and President Özal openly told the Azeri president Elçibəy to fuck off because Azeris were Shia and Turks were Sunni, Iran was the first country to condemn Black January and help Azeris secure the Aras border. It was only after Elçibəy's batshit insane Turkism made Iran support Armenia in the last stages of the war to influence a regime change in Baku.

>>17799021 (OP)
>>17801363
The best chance for Iran to annex Azerbaijan would be the summer of 1993, when Elçibəy almost got couped by his own subordinate Surət Hüseynov and got replaced by Heydər Əliyev. Əliyev Sr. was open to the idea of turning RoA into an Iranian satellite state in exchange for Iran's help in retaking Karabakh. Iran was skeptical of the idea since it, like Russia wanted to leverage the conflict to control both RoA and Armenia. In this scenario however, if Iran agreed to this idea RoA would become an Islamic Republic, or Iran's Belarus.
Turkey would only give symbolic support to Turkists of PFA protesting against this move, since it was too busy with fighting the PKK on its own land. Russia would be slightly infuriated; Yeltsin could perhaps demand Iran to have a sphere of influence in Islamic RoA or fund the Russified underground opposition. The world at large would not care in the slightest, and the whole process would largely mirror the Iranian takeover of Iraq.
However in this case, RoA could be eventually sanctioned per Israel's request as an accomplice of Iran. The republic would be mired with political instability as popular support for integration with Iran, much less an Islamic republic was always abysmally low in Baku. Pragmatically speaking, Iran wouldn't want to actually annex Baku and therefore decrease the ratio of Persians in Iran's population; it always only aimed to subjugate the republic.

>>17801359
He's only half, and he's an Ummahist. I've never seen him speak in our language once.
>>17801363
I like Elçibəy but man, his external politics were insanely myopic. He reminded everyone why there's no place for idealism in politics.

>>17801399
Elçibəy was a typical Soviet intellectual dissident-turned-president - he used to be an Orientalist prior to his rise as the leader of PFA. He lacked the statesmanship acumen to lead his nation through the war; despite his achievements like the complete removal of Russian bases from RoA, he paved the way for Əliyev to restore his kleptocratic dictatorship. The same fate awaited Zviad Gamsakhurdia, a linguist who became the first president of Georgia and antagonized ethnic minorities much like Elçibəy. The only remotely successful dissident president was historian Levon Ter-Petrosyan of Armenia, and even he eventually got kicked out of presidency by the Artsakh clan.

>>17799224
That's not how language works.

>>17799333
Brit lost first Boer war, your point is?

>>17801399
Isn't the president also an Azeri? Seems like they're running the country

>>17799021 (OP)
It would be funny to see Iran bombed by USA and Russia at the same time.

>>17799037
Wdym Macedonia isn't a real country? Only Bulgarians say that.