It's well established that the modern Japs have around 12-18% of Jōmon admixture. But who really were they, genetically wise?

Whenever this tpic comes up, the first pictures posted are the ones showing those primitive-looking dravidian/austronesian people. But it makes no sense for them to comprise a fifth of the Japanese genepool. Let’s egzamine why:

A few facts about the modern Japanese:
>they have much more facial hair than other asians
>many of them have brown eyes with much weaker epicanthic folds
> Jōmon skulls look very similar as the WHG/Yamnaya skulls
>they have comparable (maybe even higher) average IQ than the Koreans
This alone hints a European-like affinity.

The first three facts point to an European-type admixture, and the fourth basically disqualifies any austronesian/dravidian possibility (if those primitive people contributed more than 15% of the Japanese genepool, their average IQ would be in the 90s, while in reality it reaches 105).

Source:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/264163184_Facial_characteristics_of_the_prehistoric_and_early-modern_inhabitants_of_the_Okinawa_Islands_in_comparison_to_the_contemporary_people_of_Honshu

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>>17800170 (OP)
But let’s go further – modern (rare) examples.

No need to elaborate here – there’s a few examples of the Ainus (descendants of the Jōmons) who look very European-like.

>not really, they look mixed

After such a long time, it’s a miracle they look THIS close to us.

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Yeah why not, whatever makes you happy.

>>17800171
Third point – language.

While it’s denied by everyone, there seem to be striking similarities between the Ainu language (who got it from the Jōmons), and Euskera – the Basque language.

Where does it all lead us? Here’s my theory:

The WHGs and Jōmons were closely related. They spoke the same language, which was Euskera/Basque (the first European language). They were also the first people to populate both Europe and Japan (the Jōmons) around a similar time (15 000/14 000 BC).

This theory fits with all the information and clues mentioned above – skull shapes, timeline, language, phenotype and IQ of modern Japanese, pictures of some of the modern Ainu.

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>>17800177
Appendix - WHG concentration.
It’s worth noting that the Western Hunter Gatherer admixture nowadays, after the Baltics and Finland, is the highest in the Basque region, which is interesting in light of the Euskera being the ancient WHG language.
The rest of Spain falls in the broad European average.

Maybe that's how they managed to keep their language - not enough of them died out/were killed?

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>>17800170 (OP) >>17800171>>17800177>>17800179
interesting.
this is a map that might help you.

>>17800172
Thanks for ruining the chain (counting to 4 is hard). If you could, please delete that and post it again.
Thank you for your attention.

>>17800184
According to my research, D1b is the default Jomon haplo, but it might be both of them.

>>17800170 (OP)
Can some skull specialist clarify if that left one is really caucasoid?
Cuz it looks convincing.

a japanese male reconstructed from the 27,000-year-old skeletal remains found in Ishigaki island.

>>17800301
At least the Japs try to be accurate with their reconstructions.

>C1a
You people realize this is completely irrelevant? That haplogroup split from the West Eurasian one 45,000 years ago. It's before Caucasians even existed during the initial peopling of Eurasia.

>>17800475
C1a is the first original Atlantean haplogroup

>>17800170 (OP)
Not European peoples. The modern Ainu are thought to be representative of them and they were probably Siberian tribes like the Yayoi ultimately probably were.

Japanese New Age claim that the Japanese were descended from the Polynesian peoples of lost Mu, incidentally.

>>17800177
Euskara is not an Indo European language. If you're going with Ainu = Caucasoud theory it falls apart right there since Basques were not from the Caucasus.

>>17800170 (OP)
:o

>>17800520
Caucasoids mean those of west-eurasian descent, but not those that have their roots in Caucasus.

>>17800534
Then that wouldn't mean the Basques either.

>>17800540
I think you still lack in basic knowledges about this topic.

>>17800170 (OP)
>But who really were they, genetically wise?

East Asian with minor WHG ancestry. Can you people stop we wuzzing the Japanese just because you like anime?

/thread

>>17800543
This is a thread about a schizo theory trying to claim that Jomon were European Whites who spoke a language like Basque.

>>17800520
>Euskara is not an Indo European language.
I know, nobody said that.
It's most probably the proto-European language, which the WHGs spoke. Thus, the similiraties between Euskera and Ainu, which creates a potential link.

>>17800170 (OP)
We've already seen genetic analysis showing they're related to Dravidian groups migrating through China, let's not kid around with phrenology in 2025

>>17800659
some articles mention about the possible ANE components in Ainu.

>>17800659
>We've already seen genetic analysis showing they're related to Dravidian groups migrating through China
It's those austronesian groups that come up first in Google images. The actual Ainus/Jomons were more white-like, which is explained in first OP.

And the guys in the second OP don't look anywhere close to any Dravidian/Austronesian people.

OP is retarded, Jomon have nothing to do with WHG.

>>17800184
Yayoi era founder effect from the peninsula.
https://www.theytree.com/?snp=C-M8

>>17800301
Shiraho was pre Jomon, Jomon have additional ANEA ancestry.
https://x.com/koshi_kuri/status/1908907770717540352

>>17800170 (OP)
It's a shame those Jomon bros didn't manage to resist the Yayoi invasion. It would be so kino having a strong, white country at the edge of the world.

They would probably conquer the entire Asia, sooner or later.

Apparently Jomon were more cold adapted than modern East Asians. The paper compared them to modern Eskimos.
So Southern coastal route, but most likely through Korea and longer isolation in a cold climate.

>>17800752
Because modern ainu are already extremely mixed with Japanese people. You are looking at mutts

WHG and Jomon have no relevant connection. They are both Eurasian Hunter Gatherers facing a more numerous farmer population, that is perhaps where their similarities lie.

>>17800170 (OP)
White nationalists are truly retarded. Stop kanging about a different race on the other side of the planet just because you like anime. Embarrassing shit.

>>17801134
But it's trad. Even Lovecraft kanged about some Hyperboreans who got genocided by Inuits like baby seals.

>>17800179
You must control for WHSG at minimum to get halfway reasonable measurements. Also use Kra001 for Uralic admix.

>>17801134
>White nationalists are truly retarded. Stop kanging about a different race on the other side of the planet just because you like anime. Embarrassing shit.

Oy vey, you forgot to tell me it's antisemitic.
Where do you think you are, Reddit?

>>17801204
>brings up reddit for no reason
Oh look it's an 80 IQ retard who can only talk in memes. Shut the fuck up and stop kanging about nips.

>>17801217
2% of the population, 50% of threads about race.

>>17800170 (OP)
>It's well established that the modern Japs have around 12-18% of Jōmon admixture.
Wait, if according to >>17800192 D1b is so prevalent there, it means that no Jomon women furthered their genetics, and the modern Jomon admixture is all men.
That's a common pattern with invading populations, where the men BTFO the local cucks and breed with their women.
Interesting.

They split of from basal Mongoloids that looked very similar to Australoids, specifically Hoabinhnians or Aeta and spent 30,000 years adapting. This was abetted and further shaped by further mixing with neo-Mongoloid populations, giving them pseudo Caucasoid traits. The ANE found in Ainu/Hokkaido Jomon and northern Honshu Jomon is the same ANE found in Native Americans but found at reduced frequency
/thread

>>17801672
>it means that no Jomon women furthered their genetics
M7a and N9b are still found in modern day Japanese.

>and the modern Jomon admixture is all men.
Even among Jomon D they branched off during the Paleothic, we know that Neolithic Koreans already had Jomon admixture and basal D-IMS-JST022457 clade was found in South Koreans.

>Mentally ill google-addicted faggot takeshi thinks its 5% Tianyuan ancestry is white

>>17801950
>Neolithic Koreans
no such thing exists. korean peninsula was uninhabited until around 5000 BC.
it was simply that the first settlers there were the Japanese coming from the archipelago.

>>17802026
>Japanese
>existing 5000 BC

>>17802026
>no such thing exists. korean peninsula was uninhabited until around 5000 BC.
Source?

>>17802026
>it was simply that the first settlers there were the Japanese coming from the archipelago.
Bullshit, earliest Korean samples all have partial Hongshan related ancestry which by definition cannot have a Japanese origin.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-04108-8

>>17801711
>They split of from basal Mongoloids that looked very similar to Australoids
>further mixing with neo-Mongoloid populations
>sage

You guys don't even try at this point.

>>17800170 (OP)
No, I've seen one Jomon skull being compared to Oberkassel. WHG were primitive Australoid Abos unrelated to modern Europeans with gracile and sophisticated ANF selected phenotypes.
Don't compare Yamnaya to WHG monkeys... Yamnaya were much more modern-looking than their mostly I2 HG predecessors with sloppy foreheads.
If you think primitives like Hagrid look European, you missed the Bronze Age update, lil ni--er.

>>17802974
>WHG were primitive Australoid Abos unrelated to modern Europeans with gracile and sophisticated ANF selected phenotypes.
Then how do you explain the fact that the most northern-looking Europeans are the ones with the highest WHG concentrations? Estonians, Finns, the Baltics (>>17800179 ).
Everything points to the WHGs being very close to the Yamnayas, phenotypically wise.

>>17803094
Why do you try to connect WHG to Yamnaya like they were high WHG?
Why don't you look at Spaniard phenotypes? They're also high WHG and it makes them Browner than Italians.

>>17800170 (OP)
You can't look similar if the genetics are wildly different.

>>17802974
Everything about Yamnaya description says robust and large as opposed to gracial farmers.

A large skull is always simultaneously wide and tall. If it's only tall it's "civilized" i.e. domesticated.

>>17800177
this is the most interesting thing to me in the thread
i dont really care about the white nationalism or eugenics whatever people are relating with this,

>>17801950
The only people in Japan now that look a bit Western are men, it’s funny

>>17800170 (OP)
>>17800177
>>17800184
The geodesic distance between the Basque country and Hokkaido is very, very close to 1/4 of the Earth's circumference. The Basques have been using a swastika-like symbol called the lauburu as an artistic representation of spinning objects with fourfold rotational symmetry since ancient times. The simultaneous true-ness of these observations *could* be a random coincidence, or it *could* mean there was once a tribe of very wise Palaeolithic seafarers living on the coast of the Bay of Biscay.

>>17800170 (OP)
They have some Scythian dna

>>17803392
So what's the equivalent sourced from Ainu practices?

Also no, this doesn't mean there were super wise Vasconian sailors, or else you'd be calling the Native American equivalent Basque too.

>>17803294
>this is the most interesting thing to me in the thread
Indeed, the connection is striking. Adding the other information in, this becomes a strong theory.
What I'm perplexed a about is why is everyone ignoring it, claiming Euskera and Ainu are language isolates.

>>17803413
>They have some Scythian dna
Yeah, about that:

>>17803311
>The only people in Japan now that look a bit Western are men, it’s funny
Not really.

>>17803420
Fact #1: it's possible for different civilisations to invent the same artistic motifs independently, so your point is moot.
Fact #2: tripfags are attention seeking retards who should tongue my anus

>>17803294
It is all bullshit, sorry.

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C5%8Dmon_pottery
>https://www.davisart.com/blogs/curators-corner/oldest-ceramic-vessels-japan-jomon/
>https://www.worldhistory.org/Jomon_Pottery/
For anyone interested, here are some examples of Jōmon pottery that's detailed with spiral patterns like the kind you'd expect to see in the night sky. While no four-armed spirals are shown, it's worth noting that spirals with 3, 4, and 6 arms are relatively common to find in nature.

Not replying to the tripfag btw.

>>17803240
You can safely remove WHG and still get modern Europeans.
But you can't remove ANF and expect the same result. Aren't the top-tier Anglos mostly ANF with EHG and CHG influence? Everyone is compared to them because they're the most modern and civilized-looking.

>>17803644
>You can safely remove WHG and still get modern Europeans.
No you cannot. WHG is a unique drift that largely differentiates Europeans from browns(you).

>>17803611
yeah I followed up after work to see what the experts were saying, as I am not one.

fuck man, unless you got some giant ass Rosetta stone buried in the desert somewhere that language shit is just gone.

>>17803669
WHG = Brown liar who Negrified Spaniards

>>17803611
Idk man, it doesn't seem at all insignificant that two cultures that are separated by a straight-line distance of exactly one quarter of the Earth's circumference happen to speak languages that have similar vocabularies and grammatical structures.

>>17803644
>>17803669
>You can safely remove WHG and still get modern Europeans.

It depends how distinct genetically they were from the Yamnayas. The higher the difference, the more different would modern Europeans be if WHGs never contributed their admixture.

>But you can't remove ANF and expect the same result.

True, but you can speculate what the result would be. Going by >>17800179 , take the Latvians and Estonians, and make them even taller with a higher prevalence of light eyes.

>>17804079
Let's assume we swap out the ANF for WHG.
>take the Latvians and Estonians
They are like 176 cm average.
>make them even taller
Wrong. WHG were midgets shorter than ANF.
>a higher prevalence of light eyes
Yes, but darker skin color and much shorter height.

>>17804097
We already know that Sardinia is midge and WHG boosts height

>>17804118
Iberians have some of the most WHG and are the shortest.

>>17804145
But if Basques are over 180, we can blame it on the Moors. Anyone have the stats on that?

>>17804145
>>17804118
>>17804097
These issues can be easily fixed through logic.

1. Height.
If the Sardinians are Europe's midgets (fact), and have by far the highest concentrations of ANF, what does it tell us?
Secondly, if the Spaniards have comparable levels of WHG to the rest of Europe, but are smaller, what does it indicate? A higher admixture of ANF (at the cost of Yamnaya), which is also a fact: >>17800179
Third - if many of the tallest Europeans have also high concentrations of WHG - it pretty much seals the deal of how tall these guys were.

2. Skin tone.
If the palest Europeans have the highest concentrations of WHG, what does it indicate? That they surely didn't have dark (or even swarthy) skin. It's pure mainstream propaganda.

>>17804210
You are retarded. Nobody has "high concentrations of WHG" it caps at 20% in Basques.

Sardinians are 60% ANF which is similar to other Southern Europeans.
> A 2020 study by Fernandes et al. estimated that the current Sardinian genome derives roughly 62.5% from Neolithic Early European Farmers (EEF), 9.7% from the Mesolithic Western Hunter-Gatherers (WHG), 13.9% from ancestry related to Neolithic Iranians of Ganj Dareh (or also Caucasus-related ancestry), 10.6% from the Bronze Age Western Steppe Herders (WSH) of the Yamnaya culture and, lastly, 3.4% from Late Neolithic Moroccans (partly of European origin).

>>17804268
That study also modeled Balearic spanish as 26% ANF and 30% Morocco LN and Sicilians as 47% Morocco LN.

>>17804277
Morocco LN is 80% ANF and 10% WHG.

>>17800170 (OP)
>>17800171
>>17800172
Solution;
The language of the Basque and Ainu is what the Tarim people also spoke before the technologic revolution of the Yamna/Afanasievo expansion forced the new language on them, just like how Sanskrit or English almost deleted indian native languages on two separate occasions as PIE linguistic invasions.

>>17804268
>Nobody has "high concentrations of WHG" it caps at 20% in Basques.
Anon, a 20% admixture is 1/5 of your genome. It's enough to make you a completely different person with new traits.
It is significant.

>>17800179
Another point crossed my mind about that WHG admixture.
The Japs are slightly shorter than the Koreans. This could indicate that the hunter gatherers themselves were of shorter statue.
Which makes sense, given their low protein diet.

>>17800518
>Polynesian peoples of lost Mu, incidentally.

Ideological use of genetics to promote japanse imperialism in the Pacific and India Ocean

>>17800170 (OP)
All prehistoric people had more robust skulls. Jomon / Ainu are descendants of pretty isolated Siberian peoples, looking a lot like ANE. Afaik their genetics are wildly different than WHG.
The Japanese ethnogenesis is actually some turbomuttery between Chinese minorities, Koreans, Siberian people, SEA people from the Philipines and the like and potentially even Aboriginees to a small extent. Dios mio.

>>17805840
Japanese are literally just Jomon men + Han Chinese women.

>>17800177
>They were also the first people to populate both Europe and Japan (the Jōmons) around a similar time (15 000/14 000 BC)

You're getting close. Your chronology is 100% wrong because it's based on mainstream garbage though.

All of these cultures record what happened to all of these people and how the mixing occurred. Literally go listen to their histories and the picture clear. You wont though, because their histories go against the modern "science" and of course immediately invalidates modern chronology

and of course we have the reddit squad in here ready to deny reality

>>17800171
It's annoying how the vast majority of these questions could be answered if someone moved their asses to Hokkaido and took these guys' samples.
If only our academia weren't so ZOGged.

>>17806097
Source?

If you're assuming D haplogroup means Jomon just because it's the highest among Y-haplogroups, that’s not accurate. When you add up all the O haplogroups, which are likely Yayoi (Han-related), their total actually surpasses D

>>17806097
Source?

If the assumption was made because the paternal haplogroup D (Jomon lineage) appeared high, then it is incorrect — haplogroup O (Han Chinese & Yayoi) is actually higher

>>17806124
>You wont though, because their histories go against the modern "science" and of course immediately invalidates modern chronology
I'm no mainstream shilll by any means, so if you have some neat sources, I'm all ears.

There’s more Australoid proto jest ancestry in the Jomon than Yana which is the same source found in NAs. Japs are descended from more the southern Jomon at around 15%. WHG is nonexistent in Asia

>>17803669
Both Barcin and CHG probably eat a little WHG. It's difficult to get absolute measurements. Only excess is easily measurable.
Also Greeks have their own unique HG drift that isn't picked up by WHG.

>>17800171
The older photos show more tawny, darker features that make them look literal Australoid

Those guys have lighter skinned polymorphisms from Amur Hunter Gatherers.

There were two whole sale populations that contributed to the Northern Jomon/Ainu: the Australoid-like proto-Mongoloid base and the Devil's Gate-like ANEA Hunter Gatherers who had a smaller portion of ANE genes than Beringian NAs or Kamchatkans

>>17806124
>You're getting close. Your chronology is 100% wrong because it's based on mainstream garbage though.
Are you a proponent of the Biblical timeline? Or the Phantom Time theory?

Basque has nothing to do with Ainu languages, OP. Whatever resemblances you may see are there purely by coincidence. Their typologies are so radically different that Basque may as well be compared to Swahili if you insist on this retarded train of logic. Basque is an ANF language!! Why do you think they have lots of very old, non-internally derived agricultural terms? The WHG language has long been forgotten.

The Jōmon phenotype cannot be borne out of immediate relativity with West Eurasian populations because that would be too far back in time. The best explanation would be convergent evolution triggered by similar climate and environment.

>>17800170 (OP)
>Chuds: Meds, Slavs, and Irish are not white
>Also chuds: Omg these random chinks are literally white

>>17802026
>korean peninsula was uninhabited until around 5000 BC.
that's amazing, there's this peninsula right there attached to the most densely populated (then as now) part of the world, the florida of siberia, and humans enter it only 5000 years ago. is this some creationist bullshit?

>>17807845
>Whatever resemblances you may see are there purely by coincidence.
The odds of that coincidence happening border impossibility.
What is the chance that isolated people in 2 different parts of the globe, would have even 1 the same (or very similar) word for anything? Nevermind 2.

>The best explanation would be convergent evolution
The odds of that taking place might be even lower. Also, that opens the can of worms called "evolution vs. creation", which is not a part of this topic.

>>17808140
>The odds of that coincidence happening border impossibility.
>What is the chance that isolated people in 2 different parts of the globe, would have even 1 the same (or very similar) word for anything? Nevermind 2.
Lol
>>17808140
>The odds of that taking place might be even lower. Also, that opens the can of worms called "evolution vs. creation", which is not a part of this topic.
Lol
You are so fucking retarded anon, I'm truly sorry you were born this way.

>>17806245
Chink cope. The O subclades brought to Japan by subhuman Han Chinese are nearly extinct. You were cucked there too.

>>17809360
Prove the Japanese have more Han mtDNA than Y-DNA.

>>17806245
He's a retard, the continental source of Japanese ancestry is very divergent from the Han, Japanese more or less show continuity with Kofun and Doigahama Yayoi.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s10038-024-01295-w

You rang?

Guess I'll give you what I got boys

>>17809360
In which statistic did the O subclades become nearly extinct? Just looking at >>17800192 here, the O subclades combined make up over 50%.

>>17809584
Damn, the plot thickens even more.
What's the most probable timeline when the Scythians roamed in Japan?

>>17810330
We aren't talking about O subclades, retarded Han subhuman. We are talking about the fact that the Han subclades of O are close to extinct in Japan, despite plenty of Han mtDNA and autosomal DNA in Japan.

You are trying to obfuscate that, like a typical lying Han subhuman, by trying to combine Yayoi subclades of O which are common in Japan.

>>17809537
Here's a PCA chart from the study:
The Jomons clearly shifted the Japs further away from the Korean Yayoi.

>>17811038
Jomon BVLLS raping the male Han Chinese refugees to death.

Ancient Aryan theory is true but it's prominence is a diversion from the original hyperboreans which were WHGs. Altaics, Chadics, and Austronesians have a primordial Arene Candide 16 substrate (And by extension, all Eurasians that don't have an obvious European input) that they don't want the public to uncover. Since the ethnogenesis is so ancient their input doesn't show up in admixture models because everyone has it so it gets cannibalized by the founder pops. Just look at their features, half of blacks and Eurasians have WHG phenotypes. Cromagnons single-handedly mediated modern humanity.

>>17810805
>Han subclades of O are close to extinct in Japan, despite plenty of Han mtDNA and autosomal DNA in Japan
Source?

>we wuz japanese

>>17801672
>>17811044
Historically, the Jomon people inhabited Japan, but later on, the Han Chinese and Yayoi people came in. Even if Jomon ancestry appears relatively high in paternal lineages, that too is the result of a decline caused by later invaders

>>17811038
Do you not understand what continental means? Japanese are autosomally mostly Yayoi not Han.

>>17811155
He's a retard that makes shit up, if you look at Yfull Japanese mtDNA belong in completely seperate subclades.
Based on limited high resolution subclades, 25-30% Japanese Y-DNA migrated during the Shang-Northern dynasties, most of which setlled in the Korean peninsula first.
https://www.23mofang.com/gene-club/detail/175d002b406

>>17811195
>Even if Jomon ancestry appears relatively high in paternal lineages, that too is the result of a decline caused by later invaders
Neolithic Koreans already have Jomon admixture, the majority of Japanese D and a canidate for the imperial Japanese family is a Yayoi era D-Z1500, an upstream clade D-IMS-JST022457 has been found in South Korea, while the basal clade D-M125 has never been found in Japanese Jomon samples.

>>17811239
>Neolithic Koreans already have Jomon admixture, the majority of Japanese D and a canidate for the imperial Japanese family is a Yayoi era D-Z1500, an upstream clade D-IMS-JST022457 has been found in South Korea, while the basal clade D-M125 has never been found in Japanese Jomon samples.

Anyway, it’s true that the Jomon lineage was diluted by later invaders, right? That’s what I’m trying to say

>>17811251
>Anyway, it’s true that the Jomon lineage was diluted by later invaders, right? That’s what I’m trying to say
Considering thus far all Jomon samples are 100% Jomon the answer I agree with your conclusion. I just wanted to point out not all Jomon ancestry in modern Japanese is exclusively local, Neolithic-Three Kingdoms era Koreans all have varying levels of Jomon ancestry.

>>17811239
>>17811266
>Neolithic Koreans already have Jomon admixture, the majority of Japanese D and a canidate for the imperial Japanese family is a Yayoi era D-Z1500, an upstream clade D-IMS-JST022457 has been found in South Korea, while the basal clade D-M125 has never been found in Japanese Jomon samples.

So the natural conclusion should be that the Jomons came to Japan through Korea, right? They made it their home, while Korea was just a bridge.
Does it mean that the Jomons are native to Japan? Similarly, does it mean that the Germans, Poles, French, etc, are native to their countries, even if they came from some other, distant land?
I think the answer is yes.

>>17811375
>So the natural conclusion should be that the Jomons came to Japan through Korea, right?
No, they are a mix of ANEA/ANE from the north and Shiraho from the south >>17800848
we don't know if they mixed in the Korean peninsula or the Japanese archipelago.

>>17808235
>>17807845
>the Basque and Ainu languages have strikingly similar vocabularies and grammatical structures despite the massive geographical distance between the two associated populations
>longitude-wise, the Basque country is 2/5 of a revolution west of Hokkaido
>geodesic distance-wise, the Basque country is 1/4 of a revolution away from Hokkaido
>the Basque people have a long seafaring tradition, and were among the first to sail to North America for seasonal fishing
>some Ainu people could pass as locals in certain parts of southern Europe, which is uncharacteristic for an East Asian population
Mhm. Nothing to see here, right? It's just a wacky coincidence that several geographical and sociocultural phenomena that each have a relatively low probability of happening managed to happen at the same time.

>>17811239
>Do you not understand what continental means? Japanese are autosomally mostly Yayoi not Han.
Wasn't talking about the Hans you dumbass. What I meant is that the base for the Japanese genepool were the Koreans, but the Jomon admixture shifted them away.

The same as the base for the Italian population are the Romans, but the northern European admixture shifted them away a little bit.

>>17812084
Basque are atlanteans?

>>17813465
Think a little bit harder, I'm sure you can come to better conclusions.

>>17812084
First of all your Basque-Ainu language comparison is fucking retarded and full of methodological errors. First of all you are not comparing root words, but words that have been already affixed, so it is easy to cheat fake cognates into existence this way. For example, Bsq ikaserazi is based on the root word ikusi 'to know' which is impossible to connect to the root of Ainu ipakasnokur. There are lots of words in the Basque column that are recent loans from Spanish, like kamisoi, zikoina, isolamendu, esonde, komandante, puntzet, ponte etc. and cannot be compared to Ainu and even more of them are onomatopoeic and expressive in origin. Also, the semantic comparanda are absolutely fucking retarded, why should "ox" be related to "control" if they are supposedly a primarily seafaring civilization, never mind the unbridgeable semantic distance. Literally 95% of the semantic comparisons are unacceptable: the most idiotic ones are "to menstruate"–"goblet" "man"–"to eat too much", "old woman"–"fault finding" "city – "to destroy" and the most retarded of them all "to be born" – "stork"

>>17813882
I don't think it's valid counterarguments. The sole existence of so many similarities breaks any realistic probability calculations.
So if it's affixed words, cognates, onomatopoeics, it's still similarities, and there's many of them.

>>17811057
Can you expand? Or provide some good material? Because google is very unreliable.

>>17803709
And latvians?

>>17811057
>primordial Arene Candide 16 substrate
Haplogroup?

>>17814276
Yes you are definitely going to think that way because you are not intelligent enough to overcome your own cognitive biases

>>17815587
>Yes you are definitely going to think that way because you are not intelligent enough to overcome your own cognitive biases
Or maybe the other way around - I'm intelligent enough to recognize the patterns and the fact that there's not enough mistakes, errors or stretches to invalidate it?
If you have populations so far away from each other, if they developed their languages independently, or there's no connection between them, there should be absolutely no commonalities.

>>17800171
I am willing to bet that those guys aren’t 100% Japanese, and they had a white parent that you aren’t disclosing.

>>17816025
You aren't intelligent enough to understand genetics that's for sure.

>>17811239
>25-30% Japanese Y-DNA migrated during the Shang-Northern dynasties
Chink incel cope 70% of Japanese mtDNA is from Han women fucked by Yayoi and Jomon men

>>17816982
Provide the mtDNA subclades retard.

If you're going to consider japs Aryans because of their 1% supposed WHG, you're paving the way for the Pajeets, who are 10% Sintashtian and mostly West Eurasian, to be considered white. Your average Spic and Pajeet are whiter than any Japanese ever were.

>>17817638
Don't know why OP is claiming Jomon are WHG they have no relation with other.

>>17816434
>I am willing to bet that those guys aren’t 100% Japanese, and they had a white parent that you aren’t disclosing.
Nobody's saying they're Japs - they're the descendants of the proto whites, who first inhabited the archipelago.
Do you even read the thread?

>>17817638
>>17817729
The purpose is to claim all their innovation, achievement and excellence is thanks to their "white" DNA. Similar deal with the spam about South Asia, The Middle East, North Africa and The Americas.
>you're going to consider japs Aryans because of their 1% supposed WHG
Really it has the opposite effect to dehumanize them and claim most/all their genes are impotent and so forth.

>>17818551
>The purpose is to claim all their innovation, achievement and excellence is thanks to their "white" DNA.
That's an undeniable fact.
The Japanese are a blend of the high North-East Asian mathematical/scientific IQ, and the white genes for creativity and higher values like honor, justice and sacrifice.

>This coping I1/I2 Shudra/Dalit thread is still up
Lmao, you're coping subhumans. Not a single WHG/EEF cuck will ever post this man and say this is Cro-Magnon.
You always post ANF/CHG admixed modern European Caucasoids and EHG admixed Mongoloids. Because you're worthless, forgotten Australoid Abo cucks. The conquered dark-skinned Shudras of Europe. Worthless!

>>17817729
There’s 4 posts by OP where he lays his case. And if the timeline is reliable, paired with the language similarities and genetic traits, it's quite a strong case.

>>17800170 (OP)
JQMQNs are ARYANS lil nigga.

The Ainu have minor ancestry from the survivors of Atlantis, in the form of haplogroup c1a. This explains the similarity in japanese, basque and hebrew culture.

>>17819155
> language similarities
>>17813882 Read this post, no linguist agrees on these so called cognates.

>genetic traits
Jomon and Ainu have 0% WHG what are you smoking?

>>17813882
Have you considered the possibility that the linguistic norms of the culture you were born and raised in *aren't* the semanto-memetic Rosetta stone from which all other cultures can be derived from first principles? That might explain why it "doesn't make sense" that a particular ethnic group that lived in a different time and place associated old women with nagging and women's periods with containers designed to hold liquids.

>>17816884
The same laws of genetics that apply to the other 8 million species on Earth are the laws of genetics that apply to Homo Sapiens. Therefore, the fact that Ainu men have a tendency to look like certain types of Asiatic Turks and certain types of southern Europeans means they probably have a not-insignificant amount of shared ancestry.

Such a shame the jannies saged the thread, the discussion could've gone for longer.