Thread 17801074

This is the most obviously false religion in history.

When you see fully grown adults with normal jobs like you follow Mormonism and believe that someone did find golden leaves under a tree visible only to him, you will realize most people are behind fucked and gullible. You want to run away from these people because these people can also be led to believe in anything like in committing evil acts like genocides. After some time a realization dawns upon you that that’s 80% of human population

>>17801074 (OP)
>Divine gold plates?
>Divine gold plates, here in Manchester, New York, buried in a stone box, given to you by angel, telling of another testament of Jesus Christ?
>"Yes!"
>....may we see them?
>"...No."

>>17801074 (OP)
>Joseph Smith couldn't re-translate a section of the BOM that Martin Harris lost because "God said so"
>Prominent "witnesses" of the golden plates said they either saw them "spiritually" or covered with something
>Literally zero evidence for any of the claims in the BOM about Jews in America, not even a single shred, literally nothing whatsoever and actual evidence against like genetics and linguistics
>Joseph Smith actually legally charged with fraud by the US government in multiple instances
>Multiple stories of Joseph Smith trying to steal other men's wives
>Smith was a known treasure hunter before he "discovered" the so called golden plates
>James Strang, a close follower of Smith, made a competing claim of finding his own set of plates called the Voree plates
>The Kinderhook plate incident. lol. lmao even.
>The Book of Abraham. lol. lmao even.

>>17801121
>America
It should be "Amharica" which is the land of the Amharic language which is descended of old Ethiopic Ge'ez where the book is originated
>The Book of Abraham
Is verily true but do not be confused by the errors of scribes.

>>17801480
Top schizo poster. Even more schizo than the enjoy hell poster.

>>17801608
>enjoy hell poster
>schizo
No, sorry, I have to take that away from you. I am the very picture of mental health.

>Religion is fake
>Produces based trad society that will far outlive the degenerate heathen nation to which it was born.
Pick one
Mormonism is probably the closest Christianity has ever came to grasping the primordial truths of creation.

>>17801649
>The closest to grasp the primordial truths of creation.
>"God is an polygamous alien from another planet and the biblical genesis is actually a bunch of family drama between God's freaky sons"
>"Our eschatology is about becoming another polygamous alien in polygamous alien paradise"
Amazing religion

>>17801763
And this is more ridiculous than god being a… something from… uhm… nowhere that may or may not even have genitals but yet somehow fathered a son with a human woman by… uh… magic.
C’mon now. Mormonism fixes 90% of the plotholes in the Bible and brings it closer to alignment with actual European spirituality.

>>17801782
All religion is retarded, but mormonism especially so. There is absolutely nothing European about your stupid American kike-worshipping cult.

>>17801790
>Polytheistic
>Fertility-centric
>Exalts martial strength and financial prudence
>Articulates strict, uncompromising vision of justice
Kike worship it may be, but it is still the most authentically primordial and life-affirming incarnation of Christianity ever - precisely because it’s so deviated from the source material.

>>17801782
>European spirituality
You aren't European and you don't have spirituality.

>>17801801
Literally none of those things are "European" you are not European, you are a mongrelized angloid and should stay on your side of the point
nobody likes you
nobody wants you
take your cult, shove it up your ass and kill yourself

>>17801608
Not an argument!
Repent.

>>17801074 (OP)
You'd be surprised how many movements are just some schizoid

>>17801801
>Kike worship
Judah is only one of 12 tribes, some of Manasseh went to Africa per the Book of Mormon, if only you would read and understand Europe is Israel and USA is ZION.

>>17801824
All races have their own particular expression of spirituality. It is just usually uprooted and replaced with some deformed variant of the Jewish one.
Of which Mormonism is an example, but it’s the closest Europeans have ever come to remembering their authentic ancestral being within the context of Christianity. Mormonism, especially in its earlier forms, is closer to proper Aryan spirit than even most new age movements.

>>17801846
A scrap of paper doesn’t make you European, Shlomo.

>>17801844
>1844 digits
That was the year William Miller predicted from Daniel something of eschatological importance - lo and behold that was the last year of the career of the prophet Joseph Smith!

>>17801853
>if you don't think americlaps are European then you're jewish o algo
You "people" literally categorize spic ogres as White. You're probably a spic yourself.

>>17801862
Not an argument.

>>17801868
You will never be European.

>>17801862
You can identify an Aryan in America with the government that rules him about as honestly as you can identify his counterpart in France with the same. Does that mean French people universally deny race even exists as per the official government census methodology?
Of course not. Fundamentally all modern nation states are Judeo-Masonic tools of oppression that exist to enslave the Aryan race.

>>17801872
Europe is Beta USA; why should I settle for less freedoms?

>>17801883
Trump literally said Make Aryan Great Again!

>>17801608
Read the Bible sometime before you wind up actually in hell.

>>17801074 (OP)
Why do these guys, usually about 20-30 years old, ride around on bicycles? Even worse is they do it in a suit on a hot ass day. Does the church not have cars? Is it like a humiliation ritual to rob you of your dignity and make your mind more susceptible to their authority?
>>17801890
Relax, Moroni.

>>17801890
Technically there is no hell in Mormonism and it’s pretty much impossible for non-Mormons to go to the outer darkness even given the strictest and least lenient interpretations.
Granted the telestial kingdom can’t possibly be that great if it’s basically just like Earth only everyone is immortal and it’s exclusively populated by people that couldn’t even make the cut to be considered righteous gentiles.

>>17801608
The "Burn in Hell" schizo is in the same tier as that one guy who lived in his car in Vegas and always said shit like "No Physical Evidence for the Battle of Stalingrad" and gdp = something or whatever

>>17801074 (OP)
Not when Islam exists

>>17801900
>Is it like a humiliation ritual to rob you of your dignity and make your mind more susceptible to their authority?
Good question.
The Book of Mormon is true though.

>>17801909
>there is no hell in Mormonism
Correct, there is no permanent torment for limited sin, but, you would state falsehood against the justice of God if you were to pose that everybody would not get back exactly what they deserve for their own evil.

>>17801900
>Why do these guys, usually about 20-30 years old, ride around on bicycles?
That's a weird question to ask, are you implying adults can't ride bicycles?

>>17801911
The Koran is inerrant and coheres to the Nicene creed where "FILIOQUE" does not.

>>17801900
I work across the street from a Mormon mission HQ in Canada and they all drive cars. You can also spot them from a mile away because they help their partner parallel park like it’s some kind of sacramental ritual. Maybe the church is only willing to shell out for the international missionaries.

>>17801928
>they help their partner parallel park like it’s some kind of sacramental ritual
Parallel parking is difficult.
>Maybe the church is only willing to shell out for the international missionaries.
Those are usually from the wealthier families.

>>17801910
Rent-free.

>>17801782
>that may or may not even have genitals
He made man on his image and fathered children, therefore YHWH has a functional cock and balls.

>>17801943
You are reading it wrong
see >>17801945

>>17801943
Why did you post an image of Bes?

>>17801081
>After some time a realization dawns upon you that that’s 80% of human population
Yes, it’s called the Banality of Evil. 90% of white parents in the USA chop up their son’s penis (in the name of a religion they do not believe in), and they don’t even stop to consider if this is unusual, let alone morally wrong. This is despite the fact that this was highly unusual among the exact same demographic not even 80 years ago. Most people’s yardstick for truth and good is just whatever is currently trendy with society.

That aside, what you’ll often find among Mormons is they don’t actually care if their religions is true or not. They don’t even really care if it makes sense. Utah is a cool place. They like their friends. They like their family. Coffee isn’t that great anyways. Who cares? Why rock the boat? It’s not like their religion demands they self-flagellate and brand themselves with hot irons? No one ever died from not drinking rum.

This is why they make 18 year old retarded dudes be missionaries. They’ve been slurping the Kool-Aid their whole life, and they don’t yet have the life experience to even think of questioning anything they’ve been told. By the end of their mission work, they’ve usually start to think
>Maybe this is all bullshit
But then their buddies in the Temple hook them up with a sweet job, and they stop caring. They marry the hot cheerleader from highschool and move on with their life.

https://youtu.be/wjl7k-cES4E?feature=shared

>>17801963
>Coffee isn’t that great anyways
If you let it cool down so it won't scald you it is kosher
>they don’t actually care if their religions is true or not
It is true ironically.

>>17801963
>maybe Joseph Smith did make it all up
If you read the book from cover to cover you'd know that that's impossible - nobody could be that insane and intelligent at the same time. That is why it has endured - there is a testimony one gets from reading it. You just need to divorce it from the heresy that it is from ancient USA when it is actually from Beta Israel.

>>17801074 (OP)
a lot of them, at least in terms of the men, are only in it for the sex

>>17801968
>coffee
>kosher
Bet you drink coke, apostate.

>>17801976
Lolno only pepsi for me lad

>>17801917
>doesn't own a car
>>17801936
>can't parallel park
woman or underage?

>>17801986
Mormon

>>17801973
>maybe J.R.R. Tolkien did make it all up
If you read the book from cover to cover you'd know that that's impossible - nobody could be that insane and intelligent at the same time. That is why it has endured - there is a testimony one gets from reading it. You just need to divorce it from the heresy that it is from ancient Mordor when it is actually from Lothlórien.

I'll be praying for my Mormon brothers in Christ to convert to Roman Catholicism. Join me in prayer, brothers.

>>17802003
True, he didn’t make it up. Like Joseph Smith he simply reached into his Aryan bloodsoul to summon ancestral wisdom and mythic archetypes. In this way myth is even more real than real, meta real.

>>17802009
Mormons are not Christians in the first place.

Roman Catholicism is the only denom that has:

>great scientists

>veneration of the FUCKING MOTHER OF CHRIST HIMSELF

>literal MIRACLES

>APPARITIONS

>et. al

Convert to Roman Catholicism, all of you Niglicans, Mormons, Southern Fagtists, Jewtherans, etc.

>>17801074 (OP)
Christianity is just as much obviously false if you were never brainwashed by its 2000 year propaganda campaign.

>>17802021
May we see these miracles and apparitions?

>>17802022

Even if you think it's false, for a number of reasons you have to concede Christianity is much, MUCH more true than:

- Gaytheism

- Pisslam

- Kikedaism

- Poodism

- Hinpooism

- etc.

mainly because it has a much more all around solid theology, better principles, etc.

>>17802025

Start with the Eucharistic miracles, and Our Lady of Fatima.

>>17802027
>much more all around solid theology, better principles, etc.
Yeah no.
Also I have no desire to debate which pile of shit smells the least offensively. Because I don't want or have to eat any shit.

>>17802028
Fake and gay

>>17802018
And yet we have a testimony of the Holy Ghost and you do not. How interesting.

>>17802027
Islam is true though and that is proven.

>>17802028
isnt this the dickhead who has been bombarding /his/ with christian supremacist threads that entirely consist of lies for the past 2 weeks?

>>17802011
>he didn't make it up
>flying snake
Wew lads

>>17802027
Presuming the authority of the Bible Christianity actually gets utterly stomped by Judaism on a theological basis
>No trinity
>No idolatrous godman worship
>No random picking and choosing at the law because you want to eat pork and keep your foreskin
>No contrived non-prophecies
There’s a good reason Christians have been this mad about the Pharisees since day 1 and it’s easy to see why, it’s cause they were getting constantly refuted by them.

>>17802051
RARE
RARE
RARE

>>17802040
Proof: it is proven.

>>17802044

Proof? Where is your evidence, Christ-hater?

>>17802045
And this is more unbelievable than anything else in the Bible because…?

Catholics will unironically defend fantasy fiction writing itt
>>17802064

>>17802061
ITT >>17800944

>>17802051
>trinity
Unbiblical
>godman worship
God the essence, as in divinity itself, not Jesus as a separate person God
>picking and choosing at the law
I follow the Koran but everyone else is guilty I agree
>contrived non-prophecies
Isaiah 53.

>>17801074 (OP)
Yet theyre still growing and I highly respect the mormons for that
They have high birthrates compared to subhuman redditor r/childfree atheists who dont have any kids or your average novus ordo suburban catholic who only has 2 kids and treats NFT as a de facto form of birth control.
Mormons are basically how the jews were 2000 years ago in that they were a bunch of ethnically similar people who control their own land and have managed to form a high trust society among each other due to their autistic religious rules. Having their weird religious rules is actually a good thing in the long run since it weeds out the lazy NPC normies who live for nothing higher than themselves.
The mormons along with the jews have figured out that the only sustainable form of human society is having an ethnostate of your own religious/ethnic kin and having autistic rituals to filter the selfish lazy self serving faggots of the world.
1000 years from now, the US will probably have collapsed and all the “rationalist” atheists will have gone extinct because they didnt have kids while the mormons will still probably be around.
People that are too secular and rational eventually have an existential crisis and realize life isnt worth living or embrace dysgenic garbage like faggotry, troons, feminism, childfree lifestyle, etc but religious communities dont give a fuck about that and still have 5 kids per woman and thus win.
Im Catholic but I unironically admire the mormons along with ultra orthodox jews and the Amish.

>>17801074 (OP)
Second most, after Scientology

>>17802074
I am not trying to get you to delete Catholicism from your life but you should consider reading the Ethiopian Book of Mormon and the other canon materials on the side to gain the wisdom they truly contain.

>>17801121
Also add
>Greek Psalter Incident

see
>>17797470

>>17802085
Just looked that one up since I never heard of it and I loled really hard. LMAO! Idk how anyone can be a Mormon in 2025.

Plot Twist
The burn in hell schizo anon is also the Alamo poster...what does it mean???

>>17802094
Confounded by evil reports?

Speaking of books that are blatant bullshit and shouldn't be followed.....

>Michael Behe (Prof. of Asian Lit at Lehigh):

>"[...]the Kojiki contains some unsettling content. Namely scatophagia, urophagia, and consumption of other bodily fluids/waste, as well as cannibalism, incest, etc."

>Jordan Ellenberg (Prof. of Asian Lit at Wisconsin-Madison):

>"The Kojiki is a peculiar book which many people seem to be drawn to follow. It contains undoubtedly taboo things which are contextualized as religious ritual and practice. This would make it comparatively "worse" in terms of morals to [...] Christianity."

>>17802094
>how anyone can be a Mormon in 2025.

High lead levels in the water, eating paint chips, no prefrontal cortex, still a democrat or republican, ...ect

lot of dumb people out there

>>17802074
/pol/tranny meltdown

>>17802115
It is from Ethiopia

>>17802073
>Unbiblical
Yes, you’re right about that. Problem is the divinity of a Jesus is explicitly claimed in many New Testament works, especially the Gospel of John - and there is absolutely no non-idolatrous interpretation of this. It’s simply Biblically invalid. If there was a Torah-compliant version of Christianity it was lost some time in the early AD era before the first church councils or the codification of canon.
> God the essence, as in divinity itself, not Jesus as a separate person God
Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord
God is not an essence, God is not an abstract thing. And this pulpil about essence, hypostases, nousia, or any other bullshit is pagan Greek hokum that the actual Biblical Israelites would have stoned any entertainer of on the spot as it’s Avodah Zarah.
The God of the Bible is the being that created Adam, that was revealed to Abraham that spoke to Moses, and the Old Testament is explicit that this being is one and only one - no partners, no equals, no parts.
> Isaiah 53.
The problem with Christian messianic prophecies is not Isaiah 53. It’s the fact that literally none of the major prophecies like the regathering of Israel, the raising of the dead, or the age of everlasting peace actually happened. If the Messiah was just going to be some Jewish guy that gets brutally murdered then there were probably tens of thousands of candidates to fulfill Isaiah 53 in the first century alone.

>>17802127
>there is absolutely no non-idolatrous interpretation of this
It is one Godhead, God impersonally as deity or divinity was made flesh - do not worship Jesus the Person which is just a temple but the divine nature itself which transcends him.

>>17802114

Say what you want about Mormon scripture, but the Kojiki is much, much worse.

>>17802127
>tens of thousands of candidates
And yet there is but one Jesus Christ.

>>17802133
You should read the Ethiopian Book of Mormon as well as the other books and gain a testament to their authenticity.

>Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord
Jesus agreed 100%! STUDY.

>>17802132
Okay so what exactly is the God we are worshipping then?
Because if it’s an essence that cant be directly identified with any singular member of the trinity then it cant be identified with the Father either. You know, the actual God of the Old Testament that’s directly invoked by all the Hebrew patriarchs and prophets on every page. In fact by Jesus himself as well also.

>>17802127
>The God of the Bible is the being that created Adam
He breathed the breath of life, a part of the whole divine intelligence which comprehends all things, and put it in matter. God transcends and controls all things.

>>17802145
It is the Father, that is the personal manifestation of God, which means the personal Jesus is not the same person, but Jesus is God in that he incarnates the divine essence as a temple.

>>17802136
If Jesus was the Christ then where’s the everlasting peace, why are there still dead people, where’s the third temple and why are Jews still living all over the place worldwide?
There are two common answers to this
1. The real treasure was the friends we made along the way
2. He’s going to come back and finish the prophecies later (protip: it’s been 2000 years now)
Both of these are cope. Fact is he wasn’t the messiah, the Pharisees were right, it’s over.

>>17802059
It is very uncommon to see someone willing to engage the criticisms of the Bible from an Old Testament perspective, who doesn't just automatically reject everything as blasphemy against Jewish or Muslim traditions of man.

Mormonism's worst nightmare

>>17802149
>He’s going to come back and finish the prophecies
That's what the Bible teaches.
>The real treasure was the friends we made along the way
And what is wrong with that?

>>17802074
>Yet theyre still growing and I highly respect the mormons for that
They’re not, actually. Their population size in the US has remained roughly unchanged over the last few decades despite their turbo birth rate and the growth of the US population itself. If anything, American Mormons are stagnating. Neither growing nor declining.
>They have high birthrates compared to subhuman redditor r/childfree atheists who dont have any kids or your average novus ordo suburban catholic who only has 2 kids and treats NFT as a de facto form of birth control.
Doesn’t matter because something like 40%-60% of children raised Mormon will grow up to no longer associate themselves with Mormonism in adulthood. Mormons lose about half of their children to apostasy, and that’s not even including the ones that still identify as Mormon but don’t really practice it nor attend nor care. Mormons would need like an 8.5 birth rate to actually grow in the US.
>Having their weird religious rules is actually a good thing in the long run since it weeds out the lazy NPC normies who live for nothing higher than themselves.
You’re really overplaying how much Mormonism requires of adherents. They can’t drink coffee (arguable) and can’t drink alcohol (many break this anyways). They have to wear weird undergarments (kinda), and they may recommend you go on a mission (like 2 years of traveling post-highschool). Mormonism is not some hardcore, strict religion as you’re making it out to be.
>1000 years from now, the US will probably have collapsed and all the “rationalist” atheists will have gone extinct because they didnt have kids while the mormons will still probably be around.
It’s highly unlikely Mormonism will even outlast the USA. Might not even last another century. Their message is completely breaking down amongst Western youth. Mormonism is fastest growing in West Africa, aka people too retarded to question it.

>>17802152
If a Mormon can't answer this they don't know their own scriptures well enough. ITT I have addressed every major and binding claim of it though.

Off topic but there is this chick on youtube named alyssa grenfell who quit mormonism because she wanted to burn coal lol

>>17802147
That is absolute Bologne and you know it, you’re not even convincing yourself with this word salad.
God is the Father, but God is also Jesus, but Jesus isn’t the Father, but also God is one. This is 2+2=5 level whack.
It’s complicated even further by the fact the New Testament doesn’t even claim divinity for Jesus before John’s fanfic.

>>17802156
>population size
All that matters is what intelligent people devote their time and energy to doing, as the rest of the people will follow them eventually

>>17802159
>Bologne
God means either God the person or Deity/divinity - this confuses so many heretics in Christianity that it of course is hard to accept from outside.

>>17802159
>John's fanfic
All the essential Christian claims are in that one book so if you can wrestle that one out alone you'd be able to read the rest of the NT and understand it and agree.

>>17802159
>Bologne
It is Greek not Italian - the Italian extras like filioque and trinitas are exactly that - extraneous and heretical if imposed on others.

>>17802157
And he has a website dedicated to just those responses: https://cesletter.org/

>>17802167
Thank you for the link, I always look for something to temper my spirit against

>>17802159
i don't get why people get so hung up on the trinity it's real simple
my hand is part of me but its not me, my dick is part of me but its not me, my big toe is part of me but its not me

>>17802167
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/87?lang=eng
Here is a link in exchange that will help you comprehend - the revelation is true but the scribes recorded it with erroneous punctuation (correct words though) - the part "even the nation of Great Britain" should be a new line as it is a part of the list of nations war would be poured out on, not a list of joiners of the Civil War.

i guarantee the last few replies have just been simon salva talking to himself, namely 17802159-17802170

>>17802158
>Off topic but there is this chick on youtube named alyssa grenfell who quit mormonism because she wanted to burn coal lol
You can burn coal in Mormonism. Mormonism is very big in West Africa. Africa is the most important region to Mormonism currently.

can't conceal it very well simon,a
all of these "people" have the EXACT same writing style as you

>>17802174
>>17802180
deranged

>>17802154
> That's what the Bible teaches.
It’s what late stage New Testament fanfic written long after Jesus was dead like Revelations teaches. At no point do the Old Testament or even the earliest gospels prophecy that the messiah is going to die having changed absolutely nothing measurable whatsoever and then come back at least 2000 years later to fulfil all the actual predictions and promises of the Old Testament. It is transparently total cope written by devotees of a Messianic movement long after it was clear their messiah was unsuccessful to rationalise that fact without forsaking their cult. You can literally see the same behaviour from Chabad messianists and the handful of hardcore remaining Branch Davidians today.
> And what is wrong with that?
What’s wrong with that is its total cope. How convenient is it that literally every prophecy about the messiah that claims something supernatural that wasn’t achieved by innumerable people throughout the first century was actually just a metaphor that was never meant to literally happen, or even metaphorically happen in a measurable way.

>>17802179
how do you do mr. salva? i see that file name lol

>>17802183
The whole world has been leavened like dough and constructed itself to be much better than the miseries of dark ages
HE IS RISEN!

>>17802163
>All that matters
You’re the one that made the claim they’re growing, which they are not in the USA, objectively.
>is what intelligent people devote their time and energy to doing,
By “intelligent people,” you mean West African niggers? Because that’s where Mormonism is strongest currently
>as the rest of the people will follow them eventually
No thanks, I like being white.

>>17802182
yes, you are deranged mr salva. get help

>>17802183
The whole progress of 2000 years of history has been the systematic deconstruction of human iniquity culminating in our modern day. Joseph Smith was an important step along the way, finally, spirit can breathe free from persecution somewhat under the Constitution.

>>17802189
Africa is where the sealed Book of Mormon is from so that is good I would say.

>>17802193
simon can't come up with more than 1 writing style rofl

>>17802189
>Lando
try Lamanite, or Lehite, or maybe Nephite.

>>17802197
You have me mistaken for somebody else. I don't even know who that is you speak of. Care to explain who it is they are to you? Some spammer?

>>17802198
simon you don't know shit lol
stop larping as multiple people and take ur meds
you wanna bite into boys with tits

God is real

>>17802163
By this logic Hinduism is totally monotheistic and first commandment compliant because all its multitudes of divinities don’t have to be the same person to be monotheistic. Nonsense.
>>17802164
Correct, which is why Christianity is wrong and Judaism is right, the essential Christian claims cannot actually be reconciled with even a generous reading of the Tanakh. There perhaps was a time when Christianity didn’t have to be so corrupted by pagan thought and idolatrous instincts but that would have had to have been before even the end of the 2nd century.
>>17802166
All of it is heretical though. If you strip Christianity down to just the non-heretical parts you’re limited to basically just a bowdlerised version of the Synoptics and the Epistle of James.
>>17802170
Because that’s not what the Torah teaches. In fact that’s not even what the Nicene creed teaches. That’s sabellianism. That’s nether monotheism or Trinitarianism.

>>17802200
you don't know, do you? let me give you a brief history of yourself
>>>/bant/22852950
>>17792501
>>>/x/40627041
>>17801894
more found here:
https://archived.moe/_/search/username/simon%20salva/

>>17802170
>polytranny tries to explain the Trinity
>Commits Medieval heresy
Every single time.

>>17802204
Ye are gods
>sabellianism
If Me means the physical body yes, but if Me means the governings spirit then half-yes. Jesus has a distinct spirit and will but is one with the Father as well.

>>17802191
By this logic maybe Bar Kochba actually was the messiah all along. If we’re accepting you don’t need to actually be alive or have any actual causal relationship to the events of history forever after then anyone could be the messiah.

>>17802212
Bar Kochba's claim is secondary to Jesus's as Bar Kochba accepted Islam which confirms Jesus as Messiah.

>>17802188
Only that’s the opposite of what the Bible teaches, even the New Testament. The New Testament directly predicts that the world is utterly fucked and it will only get more oppressive and perverse until Jesus comes back to set it right and send all the sinners straight to the shadow realm.

>>17802217
Confused Jewish failed claim! see >>17802136 proven again!

As for Bar Kokhba, do you believe he was the messiah?

>>17802218
Source?

>>17802209
do you enjoy all the evil shit you've said and done being laid bare, simon? ;3

>>17801074 (OP)
Why is it more absurd than normal Christianity? Go on.

>>17802212
>actual causal relationship
The Church is good enough proof of that. Time and again Christians have overcome while Jews have remained confounded in heresy.

>>17802217
You’re thinking of Shabbatai Zevi, Bar Kochba died in battle against the Romans about 500 years before Muhammad was even born.

>>17802231 Acknowledged >>17802222

Appreciate the good faith argument so far.

>>17802224
The Book of Revelations

>Baloney
Not kosher nor halal so not in my diet. I prefer my Christianity unadulterated by Roman heretics. The Bible is the only way, and the Nicene creed is all you need.

>>17801925
no it doesnt why would you say something so blatantly false

>>17802243
>it doesn't
It does.

>>17802243
see
>>17801945

>>17802238
see
>>17801074 (OP)
pic related

>>17802217
The other Bar Kochba

>>17802231
How do you know Bar Kochba didn't accede to Allah's will in the post-life content?

>>17802257
>>17802253
>>17802250
more great salva theater. tell me, how do you feel in this heated theological debate whit yourself, mr. salva?

Matthew 7:16
>Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

Mormons are wholesome and clean living, and this says a lot in this modern world full of degeneracy.

No one's understanding of God is 100% perfect, it is impossible for a tiny human brain to fully understand an omnipotent being. However the Mormons are clearly much closer than most. More so than every Muslim, every Hindu, every Buddhist and every Atheist. More so than the majority of "Christians".

>>17802242
Nicene creed is Trinitarian so it fails at Torah compliance from the jump

>>17802267
>Trinitas
Not in the creed

>>17802257
How do you know Jesus didn’t?

>>17802263
>>17802267
>>17802269
you must be very rich to have this many phones, mr. salva

>>17802267
>trinitArian
>presbytArian
>filioquArian
All these Arians are bugging me.

>>17802271
>How do you

>>17802269
And in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
begotten from the Father before all ages,
God from God,
Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made;
of the same essence as the Father.
Through him all things were made.

This is straight up polytheism, directly contradicts the Torah

Who the fuck is Simon Salva?

>>17802284
oh him? only the most deranged spic on this board :3

>>17802283
>only Son
What false edition is that? Some Arian sect probably. Presbyterian? Who cares they are all confounded by my superior Mormon Godhead dogma which is the original Nicene creed! (in greek)

Next time try ONLY BEGOTTEN!

>>17802283
>only Son
That contradicts the OT and NT so it is definitely NOT the nicene creed!

>>17802293
>>17802296
That’s not even in the top 5 most blasphemous things about that excerpt.

i'm bored. when will any organic activity come to this thread? it's just simon talking to himself :<

>>17802283
>directly contradicts the Torah
Where?

>>17802204
>pantheism
That is monotheistic! What do you think >>17802003
>Tolkien
Meant by multiple gods and one God? YE ARE GODS! Angels are subordinate to God yes but act as men do who are gods. To condemn me for preaching the Old Testament is heresy.

Jesus can’t be both of the line of David and be the begotten son of God.

>>17802310
And yet he is.

>>17802310
>>17802311
same writing style used twice. caught you, simon

>>17802314
You are confounded

No, seriously who the fuck is Simon Salva?

>>17802283
>begotten
Not of the will of flesh, that would contradict the Koran.

>>17802308
The first commandment
I יהוה am your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt, the house of bondage:
You shall have no other gods besides Me.

>>17802327
.

>>17801081
You know, Mormons are pretty dumb, but wanna guess who is stupider than them? You.

>>17802333
>Mormons are pretty dumb
Didn't even read the thread

>>17802336
Of course not, did you see how shit the opener was? The guy sounded like he has has close to 100k reddit karma.

start here ->>>17801480

>>17802346
I have over 9000 (You)'s on 4chan so I know what I'm talking about.

>>17801872
I will never want to be.
>>17802324

>>17802302
You should try to overcome confoundedness and be my brother, Jew or Greek.

>>17802388
simon salva alternate personality #825105284 spotted

Galatians 1:8-9
King James Version
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

What the book actually says. Im not anti Mormon. I am not concerned. But, if you wanted to know what the actual book says and the possibilities of his claims, here is the scriptures.

>>17802444
Yes. I have told many a pseudoChristian that if they continue to heresy against the book of Mormon they are accursed

I wasn't trying to offend you, just answering your questions. I would have hoped you would have humbled yourself to scripture as Jesus would have preferred. The last teachings ended with the disciples and apostles. There is nothing else. You are talking to someone who has religious conversations with vast amounts of people and denominations. I simply answered your questions. Please correct your heart before speaking again. And also, to understand scripture....

[4] Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. [5] And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; [6] And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; [7] And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity. [8] For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. [9] But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
2 Peter 1 : 4-9

>>17802494
>correct your heart
Rich
>hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins
Very fine

>>17801081
Most genocides were conducted by *rational* atheists. Curious.

>>17802514
>Most genocides were conducted by *rational* atheists. Curious
This isn’t true, but you already know that. You’re just gonna mention Stalin and Mao and claim that’s “most genocides” when there’s literally hundreds of examples across history.

But go ahead, give me your canned response that we both know is wrong.

>>17801074 (OP)
It's a close tie between it and Islam.

Islam is an interesting religion. Im not a follower for various reasons. It was fascinating to discover some of the more discreet work of thier prophet. Most Muslims that I have meet have been unaware of its nature. I was more shocked that a document like such exist. For instance, they are not allowed to kill any Christian. This is a covenant and all whom break it is no longer a Muslim. I wonder what would happen if I ask for he tax breaks that are included in the covenant in a Muslim country.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashtiname_of_Muhammad

>>17802273
who is mr salva

>>17802263 is the only post I have made in this thread besides this one and I am using my laptop

>>17802122
>le strawman
You lost
>>17802156
>mormons are declin-ACK!!!!
Read pic related.
>You’re really overplaying how much Mormonism requires of adherents. They can’t drink coffee (arguable) and can’t drink alcohol (many break this anyways). They have to wear weird undergarments (kinda), and they may recommend you go on a mission (like 2 years of traveling post-highschool). Mormonism is not some hardcore, strict religion as you’re making it out to be.
like I was saying, its the autistic religious rules like not drinking coffee or their dumb theology that even if they dont follow all the ways still serves to create a sense of group identity.
>Doesn’t matter because something like 40%-60% of children raised Mormon will grow up to no longer associate themselves with Mormonism in adulthood. Mormons lose about half of their children to apostasy, and that’s not even including the ones that still identify as Mormon but don’t really practice it nor attend nor care. Mormons would need like an 8.5 birth rate to actually grow in the US.
Did you actually read my point or just reply to post your strawman image? of course a bunch of young mormons leave the church. When I was talking how mormonism filters out the self serving types, I was meaning this.
Islam is the same way which is why Islam still survives despite the quran and hadiths being a bunch of dumb rules about what day you can piss standing

>>17802984
pic meant for this post

>>17802985
>>17802984
>1830-2024
Lol, what a misleading fucking graph, holy shit. What is the point of using that as the x-axis?

Also, it is very abundantly obvious that this is not just numbers in the US, but international numbers. As stated multiple times, Mormonism is growing quite rapidly in West Africa. That’s great, but you and I both know you wouldn’t disclose that factoid if I didn’t call you out on it. It’s disingenuous that you have to pull teeth to get you to admit that your “converts” are illiterate Africans.

As for the US, Mormonism is actually declining as a percentage of the US population (from about 1.8% of Americans to 1.2%) over the last 20 years. They’ve gained about 800,000 US members in that time, but the US population has also grown like 20% in that time, so that’s actually really subpar growth compared to how many new people there are.

You can crunch the numbers in any funny way you want, but Mormonism is declining in the USA. But enjoy your Africans, you disingenuous Jew.

>>17801074 (OP)
>The Book of Mormon
>Another Testament of Jesus Christ

I saw this post in one of my threads. What the fuck is going on?

I thought I went schizo for a moment seeing my name/nickname Salva called out, but thankfully it's some latinx boy.

>>17804798
speaking of simon salva, he generates fake activity a lot which is pretty scummy and he also owns this thread: >>>/bant/22852950

>>17804804

>>17804798

Fuck you, prejudiced gaytheist chimp.

>>17804804

NO THE FUCK I DON'T OWN THAT THREAD

>>17804806

YOU FUCKING STUPID GANGSTALKING FAGGOTS REPENT AND STOP SENDING YOUR FUCKING AGENTS AFTER ME TO SLANDER MY NAME CHRIST WILL DESTROY YOU I WILL NOT CAVE TO THE DEMANDS OF SATAN AND HIS ANGELS AND WORSHIPPERS

NO THAT THREAD WAS MADE BY AN IMPERSONATOR AND THE MESSAGES ARE SENT BY AI WITH A HUMAN OPERATOR SO SHUT THE FUCK UP THAT'S NOT ME FUCK YOU

WHEREVER I GO YOU FUCKING SATAN WORSHIPPERS FOLLOW ME AND YOU TRY TO SLANDER MY NAME AS IF THAT TRUMPS MY MESSAGE IT DOESN'T AND I WILL CONTINUE MY CONVERSION OF YOUR WRETCHED BRETHREN

Simon Salva more like Simon Salvia with these kinda posts

>>17804811
Are you interested in hearing more about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints? We have a book for you — the Book of Mormon.

I did NOT create that FUCKING thread. It was created by SATANISTS to discredit me. THE FILENAMES AREN'T EVEN RIGHT. I ONLY HAVE ~2000 IMAGES ON MY PHONE.

I did create those threads actually I love busty boys with big breasts, the other guy is a sus amogus imposter don't listen to him

Ancient Africans wrote on golden plates and recorded their national history so that we in modern times would be able to grow in our faith in Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior. Many subsequent redactors went through their ancient records and supplemented and amplified them with knowledge gained in time after the coming of Jesus Christ to give the work a certain cohesion.

>>17804826

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>>17804829
This guy isn't me. I am a true christian and do not condone racism

Ancient African script similar to this picture did appear on gold plates of ancient handiwork to first Joseph Smith and 3 and 8 witnesses.

>>17804830

Oh really? What's your denom, nigger?

>>17804835
I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.

I have NEVER posted on /bant/ or /b/. I post exclusively on /his/, /g/ and other boards.

>>17801074 (OP)
To anyone sensible, ALL religion is fucking equally absurd.

The only difference between Mormonism and any other Christian denomination is that the lies are a lot newer.

>>17804840
That is very good as those boards are NSFW and sometimes have inappropriate materials.

>>17804835
I am Jewish and love Matzo Ball soup and gefilte fish on bagels and Klezmer music, Shalom

>>17804843

No. Christ is the truth. He died for you, and He loves you.

Christ loves you.

>>17804843
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/bofm/alma/32?lang=eng
If you were to read this chapter with a heart open to God you would know Joseph Smith could never have falsified this ancient African sacred text.

>>17804845

Cock suckler got caught red handed. Look at the reply times between 17804845 and 17804847.

Christ is King.

>>17804848
I'm a history major and I can read basic hieroglyphs.

I know very personally that Joseph Smith was a liar who pulled his "sacred revelations" and "divine translations" out of his ass.

You know there's scholars who can *actually* read Egyptian hieroglyphs these days, right?

As always, learning dispels the teachings of con-men. The problem is most fundamentalists don't bother to learn any history/science/philosophy for this very reason.

>>17804852

Hieroglyphs are a conspiracy by the Illuminati. They want you to think retarded tree worshipping pagans made such a complex script.

>>17804852
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/pgp/abr/1?lang=eng
>A Translation of some ancient Records that have fallen into our hands from the catacombs of Egypt. The writings of Abraham while he was in Egypt, called the Book of Abraham, written by his own hand, upon papyrus.
This introduction is not of Joseph Smith or correct, it is a false statement by a scribe.

>>17804853

Science comes from following Christ.

So does writing.

So does art.

So does architecture.

So does anything of value.

No other religion than Christianity has produced all of these and in such greatness.

D&C 7 was from a papyrus not physically tangible but only seen through seer stones. Compare that.

>>17801782
It's cruel when girls like this get 30+ guys to join the church, only to realize that all the Mormon girls get married in their early 20s.

>>17804853

FACT.

>>17804859
Have you read the Book of Abraham?

>>17804869

Reading that book will weaken me to be possessed by demons.

>>17804883
Stop doing drugs

>>17804883
It will not be able to do that because it is holy scripture from God designed to help you grow a testament to his truth and his word—

>>17804884

Where did I ever indicate that I did?

>>17804883
Read this >>17804848
It will strengthen you

>>17804896
They are bad

>>17804907
take a gander
>>17801480

Christ is King, picrel.

Kill yourselves, demon worshipping niggers.

>>17804911

OH SHIT I MEANT TO POST A PICTURE OF CHRIST HOW THE FUCK DO I DELETE THIS

FUCK

>>17804913
Repent

>supposed firm religious believer
>also a massive degen
every time

>>17804913
You should delete all the obscenity off your device

ur a fuckin faggot Mormon you fuckin jew kite go fuck ur daughter then send me a Pic of her little stinky pussy

>>17804941
>You should delete all the obscenity off your device
.

I'm not American so they don't bother me one bit.

>>17804911
THIS HAS TO BE A FALSEFLAG
K E K
E
K

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/17801074/#17804911

>>17804960
at first you would think so, but given the fact somebody also found a bant thread revealing his busty boy fetish that happened before he started to really schizo post here, I think its safe to assume he is just another christian namefag that is a degen

>>17804960
You must surely repent and believe the Gospel

>>17804960
He may be the actual maker of that nasty image

>>17804817
>>17804418
What are these deranged posts

>>17801074 (OP)
I love it when religious people point at any other religion and say "This is CLEARLY fake" without even entertaining the idea that they're just as deluded.

>>17805028
>>17805022
What artist?

>>17805032
The Ethiopian Book of Mormon proves the Bible though via Holy Ghost.

>>17805033
a machine

>>17805033
I think it was Simon Salva.

>>17804960
100%

>>17804960
Why would you link that image in the thread?

>>17804960
>/his/

>>17805032
No itsreal George Lucas added him back in in the special editions

>>17805032
Atheists are just as deluded.

>>17805092
Rey Skywalker is canon

>>17804807
>GANGSTALKING
Enjoy your ban.

>>17801943
What a heretical image. If that's even Yahweh...

>>17805109
Actually that one's chuck you're thinking of the other fellow.

>>17802728
Interesting

>>17805040
I agree it is good

>>17805109
It's the Egyptian god Bes.

>>17805121
Have you seen reformed egyptian?

>>17802444
>>17804941
Enjoy your curse.

>>17804833

>>17802127
>God is not an essence, God is not an abstract thing.
God the person is not, but, God also is an essence, a divinity, positive and real intelligence which comprehends all things.

>>17801083
Kek

>>17802283
>polytheism
>of the same essence
>only not only begotten
Enjoyable cherrypick 10/10 would refute again.

>>17805139
>>17804907
>>17804910
>>17805112
Blessed Simpsons Bread

What about scientology?

>>17805148
We already have a sci fi epic ITT >>17805022 >>17805028

>>17802314
>>17804798
>>17804813
>>17804913
Posting in epic bread:

>>17801074 (OP)
It was the Federal governments attempt in creating their own home grown "Jews".

>>178051488
ckechem

There's really nothing unique about mormonism. It was following a ton of new religious movements during that time that were very similar, this one was able to survive because they established an enclave out west. Smith's ideas were copied from things that were in close physical proximity to him. There are sermons from local newspapers that are almost word-to-word verbatim to the ones in BoM.

>>17802203
indeed

>>17805194
see
>>17801858

>>17804848
Start with verse 28

>>17805194
That's how it started but it didn't stay that way, the King Follett funeral discourse was unprecedented

>>17801608
>Top poster
If I was mistaken surely you would have a single point against me..)

>>17805202
>unprecedented
As soon as he says "in the beginning" you can tell the holy spirit descended upon him

>>17805205
More like a lying spirit.

>>17805209
Just because Jesus confounds you in your error doesn't give you the right to false witness and go unpunished. Enjoy hell!

>>17801074 (OP)
>This is the most obviously false religion in history.
Not even close

>>17805220
>Enjoy hell!
According to Mormonism I can't

>>17805236
I am glad you have chosen to repent and believe.

>>17804862
>It's cruel when girls like this get 30+ guys to join the church, only to realize that all the Mormon girls get married in their early 20s.
It doesn’t matter. Incels think religion is some cheat code to get a hot virgin wife. It’s cope.

Go to any church. The hot men are married to hot wives. The ugly men are 30+, abstinent, and “praying for a spouse.” Literally nothing has changed. I went to a Christian highschool, and we had multiple teachers who were 40+ and “saving themselves for marriage.” My science teacher was short, obese, bald, and lamented that he was still waiting for the “Lord to reveal the right woman for him,” in his mid 40s. He was a cool guy though. No excuse for living your one life as an obese lard, but the height and hair were out of his control.

This places loves to play off this stupid “Chad Christian” and “Atheist Beta” shit, but it’s the same shit everywhere. You’re either tall and handsome, or you’re not. You’ve got Chad Christians like Chris Hemsworth and Chad Atheists like Jason Momoa. Religion won’t make you 6’5” with a 10in cock.

>>17801074 (OP)
Aren't all religions obviously fake though?

>>17801074 (OP)

Yet it creates happy, healthy, functioning families. Meanwhile the rest of Christianity have families that look like this.

>>17801074 (OP)
Nah, there are some that are even stupider.

>>17802074
you're getting too close anon

>>17802200
I thought you were better than us for using your "real" name. it wasn't even a week since you said that.

>>17802210
to be frank here, it is not possible to explain the trinity in any detail without committing a named and catalogued heresy.

>>17801074 (OP)
after scientology

>>17801121
Honestly it's miraculous the religion got so many followers at all.

>>17801782
Yes
Show me the golden tablets

>>17801917
No its faggy

>>17802028
>>Start with the Eucharistic miracles,
>Yeah Ese, I was just sitting here, and the fuckin bread man, it turned to blood and shit. Why does this happen in my shithole mud village? I dunno man guess we Hispanics are just true Christian’s and shieeeet.
>No you can’t take it to run through tests it bring to much donations and shieeet.
>>and Our Lady of Fatima
>Three shit smelling kids claim to of seen Mary. No evidence past this.
Damn

>>17802074
>I don’t care if it’s blatantly a false religion it makes more White peepo

>>17805092
>The dudes who believe natural phenomenon can be described by nature are deluded
Ok Luis

>>17805275
>hair were out of his control.

He could transplant the hair on the back of his head head his front.

>>17802318
odds are, it's you.

>>17801649
A religion can be completely false but still a successful movement simply because it promotes behavior that maintains the community of faith. That's why atheism is doomed, there may be no God but behaving as if there is not leads to a dysgenic existence. Truth is irrelevant

>gold plates
cringe, obviously made-up

>man walking on water 2000 years ago
YES, YES, YES

>>17806914
Glad you agree

Joseph Smith died a martyr, why would anyone die for a lie?
All he had to do was recant to the US Government and he could go free

>>17806932
Because his death was brought on from deliberately try to bury the truth being spoken about him (Newspaper ring a bell?). He died trying to hide the truth.

>>17806932
probably because if he admitted he was a conman his life would be over, especially when all the men he cucked hear of it

>>17806882
>That's why atheism is doomed, there may be no God but behaving as if there is not leads to a dysgenic existence. >Truth is irrelevant
“Hurr religion is a beautiful lie.” Yeah, tell that to Italian castratos who had their balls lopped off so they could sing better in church.

Religions leads to a “dysgenic existence” just as much as anything else. Right now, an American is having his cock skin lopped off in the name of “Christian values.”

I love how you faggots act like we’d live in a fucking utopia if we’d just let the Christians be in charge. As if Christians haven’t been in charge for the last 2,000 years and aren’t still in charge today.
>Bro, it’ll work this time for sure bro.
>Yes, the president and all his cabinet are self-proclaimed Christians, but that doesn’t count bro.

>>17801074 (OP)
islam is the most obviously fake

>>17807107
Imagine sincerely and unironically believing actual Christians have any form of authority in any government on the planet today. Satanists larping as le Christians are, in fact, not actual Christians.

>>17806948
Libel is a crime

>>17807113
>Bro, they’re not real Christians bro.
>Nobody’s a Christian except who I arbitrarily decide is a Christian according to my personal definition
Tell me, are you in the USA? If so, who did you vote for President last election?

>>17807123
>If you do not subscribe to my filioque heresy you are not allowed to talk at my bible study

>>17807114
>Libel
kek
>>17807123
They're satanists, get over it already. They're allllllllll satanists and they want you and your family dead. Time to wake up and smell the coffee.

>>17807129
Whatever you believe, it's not Christian.

>>17806926
Jesus says he will come like a thief in the night

>>17807129
>They're satanists, get over it already. They're allllllllll satanists and they want you and your family dead. Time to wake up and smell the coffee.
It sounds like you’re blaming the 224 million Christians in the USA for electing a Satanist president. It’s certainly not the atheists fault because there’s only about 10 million in the USA, and only 10% of atheists voted for Trump.

So once again, how is this not Christians’ fault?

>>17807183
>Voting matters
Look, I don't want to go down this road, let's just leave it at they're Satanists.

>>17807208
>2.6 billion Christians worldwide
>There’s apparently not a single “actually” Christian nation on Earth
>This is somehow everyone else’s fault
If America is so Satanic, while don’t you and your 2.6 billion “brothers in Christ” build your own country? Why are Christians so incompetent? Why are you seemingly not responsible for anything despite being the largest religious group in human history?

Go fucking colonize Australia or something. You’d outnumber the original population by 2 orders of magnitude.

>>17807289
Fuck off

>>17807323
>No argument
The same every time.

>>17801649
>maskie
kek

>>17801121
When Muhammad composed the Quran, he also forgot multiple verses like Joseph Smith with Harris and the 116 missing pages. There's actually a verse in the Quran that says Allah deliberately made Muhammad forget those verses just like the explanation for Joseph Smith.

https://quran.com/en/al-baqarah/106

There's also a hadith where Muhammad says he forgot verses (because Allah made him forget) and someone else reminded them of the verses.

https://sunnah.com/bukhari:5038

There was also a verse on a manuscript eaten by a sheep and left out of the Quran.

https://sunnah.com/ibnmajah:1944

Also a hadith which says Muhammad is fallible.

https://sunnah.com/muslim:2361

The difference between Muhammad and Joseph Smith is that the literary quality of the Quran is higher in its own language than the Book of Mormon. The verses of the Quran in each chapter rhyme with each other. Joseph Smith didn't make an effort to make the Book of Mormon sound better in English.

[spoiler]>>17808057
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