Let me explain.
Most Atheists are Mechanistic Materialists, which isn't based in science but Christian metaphysics.

Mechanistic Materialism was influenced by Aristotle's concept of a substance as being a "thing-in-itself," having an unchanging "essence." The core of substance theory is that independent existence, permanence, and timelessness are the foundation of reality, with these notions mutually implying each other: what is permanent about things is what endures despite temporal interaction with the rest of the universe: what separates itself from all else.

This is also the reason why the Christian God is very commonly described as timeless and unchanging.

Descartes developed this into his substance dualism, where mind and matter are the two fundamental substances, with mind being non-physical and able to exist independently of the physical body.

The world of matter was comprised of entirely deterministic and mechanical linear cause-effect relations, such as a chain of falling dominoes. Humans were spared from the fate of determinism because they had immaterial souls. Descartes popularized the view that non-human animals were literally unconscious automata.

So therefore Mechanistic Materialism is merely decapitated Cartesian Dualism - a Greco-Abrahamic metaphysics. Therefore most Atheists are Christians. It doesn't matter if they explicitly "believe" in materialism or not, their worldview will usually be some flavor of assumed materialism.

>Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

>God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”

>Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food.

>And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food.” And it was so.

>>17802014 (OP)
>>17802019
Right, right...but like I was saying, snakes can't talk.

>>17802030
What?

>>17802014 (OP)
you can also see it with how many nominal atheists still make moral arguments rooted in christian teaching even if they don't understand the connection

>>17802030
You literally worship a snake God.

>>17802014 (OP)
>Gets so assmad he copies the other thread but makes it 10 times more incoherent because the same premise has to be contrived in reverse

>>17802014 (OP)
The atheist is the modern day man of God. Someone who doesn't care about God would simply adopt their parents religion, but it's rare to meet a second generation atheist. Most got there by a spiritual journey where they found religious God inadequate to their idea of what He should be. That doesn't sound anti-God to me. Religion in the old days was about finding truth, not just picking the most ancient authority and sticking to it.

>>17802274
Many such cases

>>17802106
Common Atheistic / secular morality in the present is much more naturalistic than common Atheistic metaphysics. The 60's environmentalist movement and the development of ecology (and the concept of ecosystem) was a big part of this. This movement was catalyzed by Rachel Carson's book Silent Spring which documented the environmental harm caused by DDT. The growth of this ecological awareness also brought awareness that humans are inextricable from the environment, and that the environment is an interdependent "web of life." This put pressure on politicians to talk about political affairs in terms of interdependence and implement policies that respond to such realities.

The space race and the pictures of video of the Earth as a whole also helped to consciously reinforce the idea of the world as an interdependent whole. Some Astronauts who viewed this directly reported an "Overview Effect:"

https://qz.com/496201/astronauts-report-an-overview-effect-from-the-awe-of-space-travel-and-you-can-replicate-it-here-on-earth

>“Something happens to you out there,” Apollo 14 astronaut Edgar Mitchell has said. “You develop an instant global consciousness, a people orientation, an intense dissatisfaction with the state of the world, and a compulsion to do something about it.”

>Mitchell described this emotion as “interconnected euphoria” and several other astronauts have reported similar feelings of awe.

>>17802295
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJGCAWTgbn0

>When we see our planet from the perspective of space, certain things become undeniably clear. We keep trying to deal with issues such as global warming, deforestation, biodiversity loss, as standalone issues, when in reality, they're just symptoms of the underlying root problem. And the problem is that we don't see ourselves as planetary. When I looked out the window of the International Space Station, I saw the paparazzi-like flashes of lightning storms, I saw dancing curtains of auroras that seemed so close it was as if we could reach out and touch them. And I saw the unbelievable thinness of our planet's atmosphere. In that moment, I was hit with the sobering realization that that paper-thin layer keeps every living thing on our planet alive. I saw an iridescent biosphere teeming with life. I didn't see the economy. But since our human-made systems treat everything, including the very life-support systems of our planet, as the wholly owned subsidiary of the global economy, it's obvious from the vantage point of space that we're living a lie. We need to move from thinking economy, society, planet to planet, society, economy. That's when we're going to continue our evolutionary process.

The rising popularity of Flat Earth theory, climate change denialism, denialism of pollution and environmental issues, and xenophobia among the religious right is in fact the result of "ontological shock" as the facts of the modern world are entirely incompatible with their metaphysical worldview.

>>17802295
Most of the Apollo Astronauts were Christian though, you're reading too much into it anon

>>17802300
brainlet bargle

>>17802295
>>17802297
It's totally fine to deny various strokes of climate change. It's not possible to build so many big cities without changing the climate, but no one recommends unbuilding the cities, so the "denier" is closer to reality and deniers have a more valid long-term perspective. It's not hard to be better than apocalypse predictions.

not comparable to flat earth

Lumping pollution in there is just a more general opposition to industries lobbying for their own interests and republicans taking their money. And xenophobia . . . there's absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to be around people who look like you. Most people, at least those raised by biological parents, are inherently more relaxed around familiar types of people. Fine, you say, just acclimate to everyone, but it works both ways. The other person is also less comfortable around you because you aren't like them. Racism isn't something white people have to chase out of themselves, it's an underlying historical stress that no amount of moralfagging will ever, ever undo.

No, this is a question of mapping. Your mental map of the . . . the universe? the galaxy? the globe? the country? your life? All these are made up concepts that early man didn't have. Early theology didn't have access to these maps. It's a highly imaginative process (unless you're an astronaut who can go look) even when supplied with pictures, you decide what the map really represents. You decide to believe things about reality based on an approximation, and that belief defines your world. It's the part of the imagination for things you believe are true, like you believe other people are outside your room right now. They might not be.

>>17802297
>>17802366

>>17802235
>you literally worship
No. Religious people are retarded. Hindus included. Sorry, I don't respect people who believe in magic.

>>17802014 (OP)
This is wrong even in its understanding of Cartesian substance, which has nothing to do with the Aristotelian understanding of the term. Everything you've said is wrong. Congrats.

>>17802366
I stopped reading at the first sentence.

>>17802381
The history of the universe as understood by modern science describes a series of "creative horizons" where the possibilities of physical interactions dramatically expanded. One of these horizons occurred approximately 380,000 years after the Big Bang when the universe cooled and expanded enough for atoms to form, which allowed for the emergence of stars and galaxies. The first stars forged the heavier elements, expanding the possibilities of chemical interaction yet further, making possible the formation of rocky planets such as Earth. The formation of rocky planets in turn made possible the emergence of biological life and its endless and ever-expanding diversity of interactions. And the history of life is filled with creative horizons such as The Great Oxygenation Event (which enabled aerobic metabolism and more energetic and complex life) Eukaryogenesis, Multicellularity, the Cambrian Explosion, the colonization of land, and the evolution of sociality and intelligence. Likewise with the history of humanity.

The universe has a trend towards "increasing complexity," meaning greater creative freedom and novelty. The Cosmos perpetually grasps beyond the immediate actuality of "now" towards unrealized possibilities.

The question is what is the expression of this aconscious Eros of the universe as conscious intention?

It is Curiosity, the desire for The Unknown, the urge to create, explore, discover, learn, connect, relate, and love.

>>17802381
Aho Mitakuye Oyasin... All my relations. I honor you in this circle of life with me today. I am grateful for this opportunity to acknowledge you in this prayer...

To the Stars, for the ultimate gift of life, I thank you.

To the mineral nation that has built and maintained my bones and all foundations of life experience, I thank you.

To the plant nation that sustains my organs and body and gives me healing herbs for sickness, I thank you.

To the animal nation that feeds me from your own flesh and offers your loyal companionship in this walk of life, I thank you.

To the human nation that shares my path as a soul upon the sacred wheel of Earthly life, I thank you.

To the Story nation that guides me invisibly through the ups and downs of life and for carrying the torch of light through the Ages. I thank you.

To the Four Winds of Change and Growth, I thank you.

You are all my relations, my relatives, without whom I would not live. We are in the circle of life together, co-existing, co-dependent, co-creating our destiny. One, not more important than the other. One nation evolving from the other and yet each dependent upon the one above and the one below. All of us a part of the Great Mystery.

Thank you for this Life.

>>17802014 (OP)
Atheist do not believe in Jesus, which is what you need to do to be part of the Christian cult

>>17802300
>after a while we started sending christiams to space instead of monkies

>>17802281
good take to be honest.

>>17802014 (OP)
You can't both believe there is no god and be christian, you seem very confused

>>17802014 (OP)
Epicurean materialism predates Aristoteles MORON.

>>17802106
The irony of this is that many Christians make moral arguments rooted in paganism.

>>17803040
The term "paganism" triggers me because it isn't a thing outside of Christianity, and as far as I can tell it's always used in a negative moral sense to denote non-Christian things. Like actual "pagans" never called themselves "pagan".

>>17802014 (OP)
>So therefore Mechanistic Materialism is merely decapitated Cartesian Dualism - a Greco-Abrahamic metaphysics.
This does not actually follow from what you said.
>Therefore most Atheists are Christians. It
Neither does this.
Why are Christians so dim?

>>17803078
Circumcision induced brain damage.

>>17802014 (OP)
Sounds more like you are saying that christians are actually platonists who have leaned into the noble lie.

>>17802030
It was a lizard person in eden when it was still talking, its punishment after the fall of man was to lose its limbs and speech, so it would just crawl in the dirt. Christian believe snakes are corrupted lizard people, not that there talking snakes, talking snakes would be ridiculous.

>>17802709
well if it went over YOUR head, it must be nothing short of genius

>>17803078
I am OP. I am not a Christian. I am an Atheist, but for reasons previously described that term is meaningless. You ignore the substance of the argument and "refute" obvious hyperbole.

>>17802014 (OP)
>The world of matter was comprised of entirely deterministic and mechanical linear cause-effect relations, such as a chain of falling dominoes. Humans were spared from the fate of determinism because they had immaterial souls. Descartes popularized the view that non-human animals were literally unconscious automata.
I don't believe that. I don't believe in the domino theory of reality
You're right that a lot of dumb christcucks believe in that.
But that's because they are dumb

>>17802106
Name one moral argument from the bible that atheist use?

>>17804052
I guess I kind of see what the talk is about. The world of "matter" so-called, is only one half of the coin, the other half would be spirit. For the most part, effects are found in matter, while the causes are found in spirit.

>>17802281
I grew up non religious and around the same time i realized santa was fake i also realized that noah's ark, talking snakes, heaven/hell, etc was dumb fairy tales as well
>Religion in the old days was about finding truth
Clearly that isn't the case anymore with christcucks

>>17804067
The world of matter is the coin
It's just that matter aren't dominos or legos
>Spirits of the gaps
If you observe spirits playing a role in the world then describe this observation and show others how they can see it.
You probably can't because it's just nonsense

>>17803991
You're a moron. Even if materialism were rooted in Descartes's substance dualism (it's not), this would in no way imply that materialists are Christians.
"Christian" means follower of Christ, or often more specifically a believer in the Nicene creed. A religious faith can't "call dibs" on a very generic metaphysical theory and all other theories that might've been influenced by it just because one of the people writing about said metaphysical theory belonged to said faith.

>>17804081
>If you observe spirits playing a role in the world then describe this observation and show others how they can see it.
>You probably can't because it's just nonsense

Why should I? I don't feel any desire to cast pearls before swine such as you.

>Aristotle
>Christian

>>17804092
You can keep your spirit pearls

>>17804099
Nope I'll share spirit pearls with anyone who wants. Problem is, and meaning of the "don't cast pearls before swine" thing, people like you are stubborn and already made up their mind to not believe in things of the spirit, as evidenced by this saying of yours:

>The world of matter is the coin

You stubbornly cling to this error, so you are not receptible to the truth, that's why I say I'm more than willing to impart knowledge but I won't try with people like you who have foolishly wedded their minds to error.

>>17803043
Understandable. I respect all my European heathen brethren.

>>17804104
Not him, but to me it seems like all people who say shit like this think "not being receptive to X" means not being convinced by your arguments.

>>17804104
>You stubbornly cling to this error
If you observe spirits playing a role in the world then describe this observation and show others how they can see it.
t. Swine

>>17803200
>whole bunch of shit the Bible doesn't say
Lol

Christianity having some good morals and me not being christian does not mean I can assimilate the good things out of it.
Do not make it complicated. You believe in talking snakes, I do not. Simple as.

>>17804298
can't*

>>17804104
>impart knowledge
You don't even understand what constitutes genuine knowledge

>>17803200
Learn to notice the details. For example, the similarities between Jesus and Superman end only with a) doing extraordinary things, b) sympathy of followers. Superman is an alien who operates a closed catalog of powers that are useful in specific situations. Superman can even be treated as a god, but he is a Greek type god, closed within the framework of his individuality and quite limited. To a large extent, his divinity ends with strength and the ability to use it. Meanwhile, Jesus has no "power", Jesus is a soteriological figure who, instead of individual abilities, continues the actions of God himself, i.e. the process of Creation. One who follows Christ continues Creation. Jesus does not even have to perform miracles to have such a function (which is why he so often gives them up).

>>17802014 (OP)
>Most Atheists are Christians
Insofar as Atheism is a Protestant sect, they are not, actually.

>>17805951
>For example, the similarities between Jesus and Superman end only with a) doing extraordinary things, b) sympathy of followers. Superman is an alien who operates a closed catalog of powers that are useful in specific situations. Superman can even be treated as a god, but he is a Greek type god, closed within the framework of his individuality and quite limited.
Superman is a Jewish hero modeled after Moses. Why do you think his name is Kal-"El"?

>>17802014 (OP)
All atheists are atheist and no atheists are christian. Take meds.