As represented by the three component groups that make up their ancestry.
I wish someone knew the geographic origins of the sampled individuals so we could make a genetic gradient map

>>17804136 (OP)
I also wish I knew what these "Chalmy_Varre" were. Sammis? the last living EHGs?
Also how east asian were they?

>>17804136 (OP)
Why not use BAC?

>>17804167
Chalmny Varre is just modern Sami, it's a 19th century graveyard from Kola Peninsula.

>>17804194
What's that?

>>17804194
Because OP is a amateur with shitty models

>>17804201
Battle Axe culture

>>17804136 (OP)
Surprisingly the most Germanic samples aren't the most Aryan ones

>>17804220
>aryan
I don't see any tajiks in your pic

>>17804231
Those churkoid chimps are irrelevant

>>17804240
>Irrelevant
Let me see...
>Sarmatians
>wusun
>Sogdians
>Bactrians
>kangju
;]

>>17804194
They are irrelevant since they're too Aryan and distant compared to Iron age germanics.
>>17804203
Then why don't you do it Mr. Professional ?

Interesting, I thought that the modern samples were shifted towards La_tene due to >>17804136 (OP)
but I guess they plot right on top of each other?

>>17804292
Here's the zoomed in graph plus the individual Iron age samples. You can see that most modern samples are generally shifted towards La_Tene/ANF compared to the Iron age ones.

>>17804248
All got raped by Turks into oblivion,
SAD!
PATHETIC!

>>17804284
>They are irrelevant
The source of steppe among Germanic are irrelevant
Fuck off with you shitty models, illiterate

>>17804284
No. They're actually the pre-proto-germanics.

>>17804318
>la tene
Spanish

>>17804318
Here's a guide for better understanding. You can clearly distinguish the Sammi mutts in upper left, the farmer shifted Germanics in the right side and finally the hyper Aryans with steppe reaching as high as 55.6 Steppe in the lower left.

>>17804334
Ok and? Why are they relevant if I want to find the modern day individuals closest to their ancestors that toppled the Roman Empire and Conquered the world? It's like praising your simple farmer great-great grandfather and not your Governor Grandfather.
>>17804323
Take your medicine spastic or the looney bin will be your forever home soon enough.
>>17804339
Ok and?
>>17804322
Very true!

>>17804248
>wewuz le based nomad warriors 2000 years ago
just 4th world hellhole things

>>17804136 (OP)
Here are three different models of Scandinavians:
1. This uses Yamnaya + Ukraine_N. These are separate measures of steppe admix. Western Steppe Herders were on a cline between the CLV and Ukraine_N. They weren't all homogenous with Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya, so what we commonly find is that the actual steppe ancestors of modern Europeans are shifted by Ukraine_N a bit compared to the core Yamnaya group. Both measures ultimately amount to steppe ancestry, but there are complications. It doesn't work for Finns because they have some overlapping HG ancestry that's similar to Ukraine_N. Other Scandis might have some too. It could be the ghost I1 population or something.
2. Early Corded Ware + Ukraine_N.
3. Early Corded Ware and no Ukraine_N. Early Corded Ware samples are shifted toward Ukraine_N a bit.

>>17804387
LMFAO it's all they have anon, that and bacha bazi boys XDDDDDDD. What pathetic mutts, very zad.

>>17804389
Here's another couple models but this time using Globular Amphora Culture instead of Barcin.

1. Yamnaya + Ukraine_N. Now some Balto-Slavic Drift (BSD) appears. BSD is a simulation of a ghost population though. We need real samples.
2. Early Corded Ware + Ukraine_N. Here Ukraine_N goes to zero. It seems GAC has admix similar to Ukraine_N. I've allowed trace Natufian to appear. Is it real or just noise? Actually I suspect it's real. The reason it appears is because Yamnaya carried trace Natufian, yet these Corded Ware samples don't fully capture the Natufian admix that was mediated by the steppe. This means these CWC samples are slightly imprecise for modeling the targets. Also BSD disappeared. Maybe one of these CWC samples has a BSD shift.

>>17804384
Your model sucks

>>17804389
>48%
OP... stop using g25

>>17804205
Too (rolls r) Greek.

>>17804453
it's not greek.
actually, these axes are continuity with the old CWC anyway. there was networking on both sides. and anyway, you ebola bitch, what's this relevant to what those guys were talking about? BAC is literally the steppe font for Scandinavia and even parts of Eastern Europe.

>>17804136 (OP)
I think this is the worst model I've ever seen

>>17804461
Corded Ware isn't an actual culture. No one called themselves corded ware you chudcel. If you're here to crashout about white people you can go to whatever Europhobic Hindi-speaking forum you came from.

Reminder that BAC left no descendants, they were wiped out by German groups from which Scandinavians actually descend.

>>17804452
I'm not OP. I'm trying to give him ideas.

It's important to understand that the targets are modern population averages. The actually steppe ancestry in individuals varies a bit.
I decided to do a quick run to demonstrate genetic variation. I debated for a second whether or not to silence to noise and simplify, but actually the noise and chaos demonstrates the point better. This is a bad model (very bad), but individuals have what's called genetic variation that is washed out when using averages.
One of the real trace admixtures is probably Russia_Krasnoyarsk_BA.SG:kra001_noUDG.SG. That's Uralic admix. I see no reason why some Scandinavians wouldn't have it.

>>17804468
That's what I'm saying!

>>17804473
>It's important to understand that the targets are modern population averages

If only you they met basic criteria for assignment and had reasonable sample sizes. And you know, didn't over-weight commonalities.

Just use qpadm bros

>>17804473
>It's important to understand that the targets are modern population averages

If only they met basic criteria for assignment and had reasonable sample sizes. And you know, didn't over-weight commonalities.

>>17804464
was an ethnolinguistic group, they were very homogeneous until the admixture with EEFs
And go fuck yourself, you literally larp as we wuz chinez celtz

>>17804468
in fact, there are
and they were the Proto-Germanic, the language is still the same.

>>17804501
Sounds like nonsense to me

>>17804501
This

>>17804500
You're getting me started.

Folks he got me started. Thing is- it's probably related because of the Swedish empire that stretched across new Scythia.

>>17804490
Shows us a qpAdm model of Scandinavians with the following:
Steppe, GAC, Narva

(Narva = Baltic Hunter Gatherers)

>>17804502
because you are an imbecile and talk to yourself. nobody cares what you think or don't think, the bibliography and genetics are clear about who the BAC were, they were the first Germanics anyway. the difference between them and the Nordic Bronze Age was not much. in fact, pre-proto-Germanic is reconstructed and preserved many archaisms of PIE itself. incredible

>>17804473
WOW thanks anon! This is what I needed :)

>>17804507
Do it yourself, lazy

>>17804519
According to our le g25 Expert sameflag>>17804437
They have only 48%

>>17804523
I don't care what idiots like you bark, it's no more important than my dog asking for food. This qpAdm model was made by the autistic person himself who created this amateur tool

>>17804513
I don't see how that model in itself is very useful. It's just an example of how much people deviate from averages. There's lots of things in that list that need to be deleted, like SeredniiStih, lmao.

>>17804516
Then I will continue using Vahaduo for all eternity because I can pump out a model and screenshot in 5 seconds with no effort. Sometimes reality is only so important.

>>17804529
SS wasn't the PIE

>>17804519
You've either used a Yamnaya source with extra ANF or Koros is eating ANF. This model doesn't make much sense.

The best thing you could do is reduce the targets to smaller groups like Scandinavians and Irish/British Islanders. Scandis probably only need Steppe+GAC+BHG(Narva)

>>17804519
This works too

>>17804536
Nobody said anything about that. It was in the list of sources from previous experimentation.

>>17804529
>can pump out a model and screenshot in 5 seconds with no effort.
This is the problem, idiot
You are an amateur playing with genetics, a good qpAdm model must be made using several sources to see if it presents better P values, that is what professional studies do.

>>17804546
Mhmm. Show us how it's done Mr. Expert.

>>17804519
>Udmurt 56.5% Yamnaya
Lmao. It's almost like this has the exact same problems as G25+Vahaduo. It has trouble distinguishing closely related ancestries like EHG/ANE and Steppe.

>>17804559
>It has trouble distinguishing closely related ancestries
Honestly if you're using admixtures then this is obviously what the program was intended for

>>17804473
>>17804519
Sorry guys, it's just excess EHG, no Swede comes close to the 56% Aryan Icelandic:NA15760 :P

>>17804556
Do it yourself

>>17804571

>>17804565
He's dumb as fuck

>>17804556
We aren't your father anon

>>17804591

>>17804590
>>17804601
You don't know how qpAdm works

>>17804571
>>17804608
I wonder how NA15760 looks like?
Maybe it's a woman? Probably the most expensive one in the world.

>>17804719
Could look like this.

>>17804608
Is EHG Sidelkino or Karelia?

>>17804780
As many as I could find at the time.

EHG:Russia_Arkhangelsk_Veretye_Mesolithic.SG:PES001_noUDG.SG,0.124067,0.052808,0.147077,0.207367,0.008925,0.058288,-0.013396,-0.014307,-0.005318,-0.073623,0.015265,-0.016785,0.02884,-0.043764,0.024158,0.025325,-0.002477,-0.00076,-0.004399,0.024512,0.001622,0.019043,0.006532,-0.030968,-0.006945
EHG:Russia_EHG:UzOO77,0.117238,0.02945,0.126335,0.20446,-0.018773,0.058009,-0.017626,-0.029306,-0.004704,-0.083464,0.019324,-0.016036,0.029881,-0.05037,0.022122,0.030496,-0.001956,0.005448,0.001257,0.017008,-0.003494,0.02201,0.015159,-0.014942,-0.012933
EHG:Russia_Karelia_HG:I0061,0.125205,0.034528,0.137272,0.204137,-0.015695,0.057451,-0.026791,-0.03046,-0.01084,-0.090571,0.025982,-0.009591,0.022745,-0.048581,0.019679,0.016309,-0.022426,0.0019,-0.006913,0.017258,-0.004617,0.011747,0.007025,-0.020485,-0.008502
EHG:Russia_Karelia_HG:I0211,0.126344,0.033512,0.126335,0.220933,0.002462,0.054941,-0.012691,-0.011999,0.00859,-0.086015,0.007632,-0.030723,0.047571,-0.017616,0.014386,0.04097,-0.018515,0.001774,-0.005908,0.002376,-0.012977,0.014096,0.00949,-0.027233,-0.005868
EHG:Russia_Samara_HG:I0124,0.120652,0.051792,0.113136,0.204783,-0.005847,0.05773,-0.012221,-0.024691,-0.015339,-0.089113,0.015752,-0.020831,0.022002,-0.036057,0.020765,0.01432,-0.007041,-0.000253,-0.004777,0.008504,-0.011355,0.026462,0.009737,-0.023377,-0.00946
EHG:Russia_Sidelkino_HG.SG:Sidelkino_noUDG.SG,0.121791,0.041637,0.135386,0.195739,0.00277,0.054663,-0.021621,-0.020768,-0.004909,-0.073806,0.010555,-0.012889,0.029881,-0.044865,0.027144,0.02254,-0.004433,-0.004687,-0.010307,0.018634,-0.005989,0.013973,0.006286,-0.020846,-0.003473

>>17804788
See:>>17804496

>>17804719
>>17804738

>>17804812
Dammit I forgot about the Irish,
BUT many consider them inferior to the Germanics so eeeeven if the win this battle historically they've lost the war...... That is unless one day an Irish Alexander the Great awakens his people and creates an empire both on this world and on the worlds beyond!
In short I prefer blondes to red heads(post names of hot red heads and change my mind$$$$)

>>17804812
How in the hell is there still this much genetic diversity after these few THOUSAND YEARS of supposed inbreeding(as anti-Whitists would spew)? Are there specific villages of people that isolate themselves from the world to keep their unique genetic make up from being diluted by BIG MUTT??? If so that's ZASED.

>>17804945
There's definitely diversity, but most of the ancestry in Northern Europe is captured by Steppe + GAC. The rest are mainly variations in the hunter gatherer cline from WHG to ANE.

>>17804955
I should also mention that I've struggled to pick the right steppe samples to capture the excess Ukraine_N. They may not exist, so anytime you try to differentiate HG from steppe, the HG eats too much steppe even though it's probably HG admix that came from the steppe. The early Corded Ware samples are the best I've found so far at absorbing Ukraine_N. These are low ANF:

CordedWare_early:Latvia_LN_CordedWare:I4629,0.132035,0.089367,0.056191,0.132431,-0.008001,0.053268,-0.003995,0.015922,-0.037428,-0.071801,-0.013153,0.002847,0.002825,-0.022845,0.034066,-0.004508,-0.011343,0.002027,0.003268,0.01038,-0.009982,-0.003586,0.011462,0.028076,-0.004071
CordedWare_early:Latvia_LN_CordedWare.SG:Latvia_LN1_noUDG.SG,0.121791,0.09546,0.061471,0.129201,-0.012925,0.053826,0.00329,0.009923,-0.050722,-0.080366,-0.01023,-0.001499,0.000595,-0.022432,0.03773,-0.001989,-0.007041,0.005194,-0.001508,0.015883,-0.004866,0.004204,0.009737,0.021208,-0.011017
CordedWare_early:Czech_CordedWare:PNL001,0.134311,0.100537,0.050157,0.119834,-0.019388,0.046575,0.00752,0.001615,-0.049904,-0.06761,-0.001299,-0.00045,-0.00773,-0.016377,0.036644,0.015911,-0.008475,-0.000127,-0.005279,0.004127,-0.001996,0.003462,0.010353,0.030968,-0.006945
CordedWare_early:Poland_CordedWare.SG:poz81_noUDG.SG,0.124067,0.091398,0.05242,0.112728,-0.013541,0.051037,-0.00094,0.000231,-0.046631,-0.070343,-0.006171,-3.00E-04,-0.003568,-0.021882,0.036916,0.014585,-0.01004,-0.000253,0.002388,0.005503,0.000998,0.005317,0.00037,0.021569,0.005029
CordedWare_early:Czech_CordedWare:VLI076,0.122929,0.099522,0.055814,0.11725,-0.017234,0.03765,0.008695,-0.000231,-0.046631,-0.073806,-0.000812,-0.004496,-0.002379,-0.018579,0.037459,0.012331,-0.009779,-0.003801,-0.003268,0.006003,-0.001123,-0.001731,0.00986,0.020605,0.003832

>>17804542
Good model

>>17804496
Troon-meme, or troeme.

>>17804738
Ew that's gotta be some mudblood outsider.

She is most likely not

https://www.reddit.com/r/phenotypes/comments/1f832pf/norwegian_my_family_has_lived_in_the_rural/

>>17805734
There's no way he isn't an amerimutt zog thrawls bastard son or something, he should take a dna test to see. I've seen Palestinians that look Whiter than him.

>>17805975
There's a lot of swarthy people in Norway like Magnus Carlsen, and Iceland has even more thanks to celtic ancestry.

>>17804284
It would have been weird to be in Scandinavia at the time. The Aryans would have looked like brunette Eastern Europeans while the Pitted Ware looked like extreme I haplo Northerners. You didn't get Scandi looks until the I1 clan established elite dominance.

>>17804334
Pre-Proto-Germanic in linguistic terms means the period before anything Germanic had existed. Paleo-Germanic means the developmental stage before Proto-Germanic. Anyway, R1a and R1b didn't come up with it. The I1 clan wasn't part of them from the beginning contrary to what people thought. It wasn't some random guy they picked up along the way in Germany. The Aryans got conquered in Southern Scandinavia.

>>17806077
Dubs of truth

ITS
OVER
V
E
R

>>17806094
This is too BRVTAL, ZERBARYANGODS I KNEEL...
t. brown Nordcuck boi

Even with the most favorable model that I cooked up for the "east Slavs have the most steppe" camp Nords/Gaels still beat out Belarussians.

>>17806451
>measuring Belarusians without Balto-Slavic Drift
Not accurate in the slightest. Even Swedes have BSD. Here try this:
BSD,0.139782,0.1522635,0.124916,0.0901845,0.1006165,0.0314615,0.0163085,0.0316,0.0371455,-0.004572,0.0012435,-0.0218345,0.039901,0.0662735,-0.0386175,-0.0082235,0.002497,0.0084965,0.00349,0.005984,0.009297,-0.003105,-0.0082725,-0.0721915,0.005406

>>17806499
Here it is again sorted by BSD

>>17806499
I knew it wasn't accurate, I wanted to see where these "east Slavs have the most steppe" retards got their copes from.

Ayrish victory

The so-called "balto-slavic drift" is mostly just baltic founder effect defining some of G25's dimensions since an australo-polish man built it using modern populations. No hunter-gatherer population corresponding to it ever existed.

>>17806641
BSD corresponds to a mixture of HG + ANF with zero steppe. If it were a real population it would basically be a late HG population with ANF admixture. You might call it "neo-HG". It has a high proportion of HG : ANF. I see no reason why such a population could not have existed, but even if they didn't, BSD allows us to measure this type of admixture.

>>17806660
See the Strzyzow Balto-Slavic outlier. It has less Barcin and CWC than Trzciniec and scores higher Baltic HG but has bad distance. There must have been some drifted group of HG that was similar to Baltic HG but different. ANF is not the missing component.

>>17806610
Irish40 is destined for conquest