Thread 17806004

The obsessive focus on Palestine by certain leftist groups reveals less about humanitarian concern and more about ideological self-narration. For them, the conflict serves as a perfect allegory for a world divided into eternal oppressors and oppressed — with capitalism, colonialism, Zionism, and the West always cast as the villains. More complex or morally ambiguous atrocities — like those in Congo, Sudan, Xinjiang, or Yemen — are sidelined, not because they’re less severe, but because they don’t fit the script. The real goal isn’t justice for Palestinians — it’s to claim victimhood by ideological proxy, and demand moral and political power as the self-designated voice of the oppressed. It’s a deeply cynical and manipulative use of real human suffering.

Thats mostly true, however it doesn’t disprove the western world being the villain

The Palestine obsession is a cultural Christian thing: Westerners may no longer believe in Christian martyrs, but they still feel the urge to read conflicts as an oppressed victim which is ultimately supposed to be delivered by an evil oppressor, and Palestine vs Israel is the hand that fits the glove best

>>17806004 (OP)
>some people use tragedies to push their agenda/ideology
Ok, cool. That can literally apply to every possible political alignment and situation.

What does socialism mean.

>>17806004 (OP)
The issue is what what the west is blatantly supporting. They are politically active about it because it’s their countries supporting it.

You might have realized this if you paused for self-reflection.

If America were arming and overtly supporting atrocities in Sudan or Congo, then there would be just as much of a backlash

>>17806104
So hatred of the West is what really drives this outrage?

>>17806116
Hatred of our taxes being used to fund the attractors and the government that is supposed to represent us supporting said atrocities. Might as well say cops hate the west because they don’t get fussy about homicides in Russia

>>17806116
If America cutting off food to Belgium and massacring them, leftists would be just as pissed off

>>17806123
>>17806128
Iranian rulers have literally said multiple times that they want to destroy the United States, they are (or were) a legitimate danger

>>17806004 (OP)
Why are you trying to make this complex? The Palestinians are facing a ethnic cleansing genocide. No need to create terminology hoops to jump through
/thread

>>17806147
No one brought up Iran you bot

>>17806004 (OP)
No, retard, people protest about Israel-Palestine because their government(s) are funding Israel’s ethnic cleansing campaign of the Palestinians. The other countries you mentioned are not being materially supported in carrying out their violence by western powers like Israel is.

>>17806155
The conflict in Gaza is just one part of the Iran-Israel proxy war, Hamas is just an Iranian pawn.

No one actually cares about Palis IRL they're an abstract symbol to these people.

>>17806004 (OP)
>are sidelined
On what planet is Yemen sidelined?

>>17806184
/thread

they're basically like "brown/black people=exploited class white colonialist=exploiter class" and don't have much deeper thought than that

>>17806181
Ok mossad wannabe

the only reason the left hates isreal is because they're ideologically communist and communists hated zionists. It's not out of any real criticism it's just some rabid ideology we're stuck with forever

>>17806150
>>17806179
>muh genocide
Meds Schizo

>>17806208
>communists hated zionists.
Many people hate zionists. Many Jews hate it too because it forcefully drags them into their bullshit across the ocean/sea.

>>17806214
What the fuck would you call it? Selectively termination and displacement of specific groups? Do you want us to respect Israel's pronouns too? Why do shills always get hung up on this.

>>17806184
>>17806189
The whole thing is well known, televised, openly bragged about and we all see what is going on. There's nothing abstract about it all unless one suffers so much brain rot you need everything explained to you.

>>17806150
The same was true in Cambodia in the 80s or in Ruanda in the 90s. Yet it was never publicly talked about in the West. Even though the atrocities in those countries were more severe than what happened in Bosnia or what is currently happening in Gaza.

>>17806150
>genocide

>>17806219
>What the fuck would you call it?
Not a genocide of course (because is not a genocide)

>>17806220
that was not the argument. he said white guilt liberals in the West don't actually care about anything going on there it's all empty virtue signaling to them.

>>17806244
>there it's all empty virtue signaling to them.
Its not considering many are still protesting despite the actual risks in doing so and people actively getting monitored and even detained for doing so? How is that virtue signaling? Virtue signalling is basically slinging slogans from the comfort of their home and in water cooling circles. In this case universities are actively being pressured to quash these protests and in most cases are willing to comply.

>>17806226
>Yet it was never publicly talked about in the West.
It was though. Many of the shit going down was pretty controversial. More so among the many countries that had peacekeepers there and the televised atrocity aftermath.

>>17806232
At what point do you think it would become a a genocide then?

>>17806255
I'm not even sure how people misuse virtue signaling as a term considering the right wing writer who coined it explicitly defined it. Like how do people in 2025 fuck that up and misuse it at the wrong moments?

>WHYYYY PALESTINE AND NOT LE...SUDAN
because Israel is infinitely higher profile and has the formal backing of multiple world powers.

Yes, there are humanitarian issues all over the world. Israel being a bunch of insane retards is the most high profile and thus gets the most attention. It isn't that hard to understand kek

>>17806270
Sudan is brown and black people killing each other so it doesn't fit into the "brown people oppressed by white colonalists" leftist meme.

>>17806147
Good, USA is evil

>>17806184
The funny thing is arabs don't really care about Palestinian nationalism, and yes that includes Palestinians themselves.
Let's say somehow Jordan and Egypt destroy Israel and take all the land for themselves. It would be reasonable to say that Palestinians would be happy about it in the short term, but you'd expect them to demand their own national independence from Jordan and Egypt after a while right? They won't. Israel's existence is the only thing keeping Palestinian nationalism alive, because the only thing they care about is kicking the jews into the sea.

>>17806061
According to Bernie sanders it’s when taxes go up 10%

>>17806147
and why have they said that?

>>17806004 (OP)
>Xinjiang
Yeah this "cultural genocide" with no deaths is very comparable to Israel's actions in Gaza and the west bank. I like the US "empire" but i jut wish they were more honest in their messaging

>>17806214
they are being bombed indiscriminately and driven from their ancestral lands by hook nosed gypsy rats
literally a genocide
As a White Christian I stand with Palestine and humanity now and always

>>17806226
>never talked about in the West
both were extensively talked about in the West you misinformed jew

>>17806231
more of a genocide than the holohoax ever was
Thank God the world is waking up to talmudic shenanigans

>>17806330
>The funny thing is arabs don't really care about Palestinian nationalism
They've been reeee-ing about it for the last year
>Israel's existence is the only thing keeping Palestinian nationalism alive
Israel is in the process of annexing the their remaining territories and removing them from it, very weird way to keep it alive i must say
>because the only thing they care about is kicking the jews into the sea
well those jews took their land, it's kinda hard to establish a nation state without land

>>17806364
They've been reee-ing about it since jews were increasing in numbers on that land, which ties in the jewish presence being the real driver of Palestinian nationalism. Yes since October 7 there was a flare-up, just like in '48 and '67. Overall, what I said holds true: If all jews were kicked out somehow, and Jordan and Egypt carved out the territories for themselves, arabs won't give a solitary fuck, including the Palestinians.

>>17806372
The Arabs states' postwar plans in 1948 and 1967 would have involved partition of Israel among themselves, that never included any plan for an independent Palestine.

>>17806372
>and Jordan and Egypt carved out the territories for themselve
why do you think they'd do this? Palestinian refugees have been notoriously troublesome

>>17806376
>that never included any plan for an independent Palestine.
Even so it would obviously be much preferred for palestinians as they'd get to keep living on their land

>>17806004 (OP)
"more complex or morally ambiguous atrocities" don't have our governments providing open diplomatic or military support, simple as

>>17806376
When war kicked off and arab states got involved yes, they did, and their territorial aspirations continued afterwards which only affirms what I said. Prior to that the British promised the arabs living in Palestina a new arab state. The partition plan approved this, but as we have established, they couldn't bear the jews getting their own state as well and started a war.
>>17806378
The PLO's conflict with Jordan only began with the PLO organizing their activities against Israel from within Jordanian territory. If there's no more Israel and no more jews they won't care anymore and would happily subject themselves to Jordan's rule.

>>17806278
if you think that left-wing people are scared of criticising anyone brown you are retarded, there is a burning hatred for many african leaders and regimes usually because they were backed by the US to replace heckin wholesome far-left ones

>>17806380
And yet you'd think after a generation or so those fiercely patriotic Palestinians would eventually sue for independence right? They won't. The jews are gone, they got what they wanted, so no point pretending anymore.

>>17806384
>and would happily subject themselves to Jordan's rule

I'm very sure they would, anon.

>>17806179
>da west is bad

>>17806255
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

These retards really think anyone gives a fuck about them, they truly believe they're some kind of resistance. It's insane just how stupid and deluded these retards can be...

>>17806396
> Palestinians would eventually sue for independence right?
That's not an option, palestinians can sue for peace by leaving the land or dying. Pro Israel-apologetics would be much more like if they didn't have to do a bunch of semantics to dance around their conquest

>>17806004 (OP)
>waaahhhhhh leftists oppose Israel because of their feefees and decolonization or whatever
Why can't you fucking faggots just accept every single body you can get in the fight against ZOG? Who gives a shit if theyre only concerned with brownoids. The end justifies the means.

>>17806330
A lot of Arabs hate Israel with a fiery passion (for real, not exaggerating), but they live under oppressive, lawless dictatorships. Egypt has tens of thousands of political prisoners in jail and the government assassinates people they don't like. So I think the Palestinian omni-cause ends up serving as an indirect, coded, or transferred criticism of their own governments, because they're not allowed to speak out, but these governments sometimes let them "let off some steam" about Palestine. Like whenever there are demonstrations in Arab countries, the Palestinian flags come out, which puts these governments in a dilemma about repressing it or not. Take this Arab zoomer slop for example, it's about "Israel" and "Palestine" but everything they're actually saying can be applied to their own countries, and to some extent they are talking about their own countries in an indirect way, and that's why they "feel" it. Like "we're living under occupation," they actually do feel like that because they live in dictatorships:
https://youtu.be/ug0L5S2Qzwg

But these governments also know that maintaining stable relations with Israel and the West is in their interest and they would collapse like Gaddafi if they weren't being propped up, and fighting Israel is crazy, and they'd lose really badly. I think a lot of the passionate hatred of Israel does have some basis in Israeli chauvinism and brutality towards the Palestinians, but also a complex mixture of Arab shame and humiliation from losing. Muhammad's origin story with the Jews is different from Jesus' story as well. The Jews betrayed Christ which creates a mix of hatred and fear of the Jews in the Christian world, but Muhammad drove the Jews out of Medina, and now here they are winning military victories over the Arabs? Look at a map, Israel like a pointy-edged dagger right in the heart of the Arab world.

>>17806376
it's better to be ruled over by your fellow brown people than white invaders from Poland

>>17806422
>The Jews betrayed Christ which creates a mix of hatred and fear of the Jews in the Christian world, but Muhammad drove the Jews out of Medina, and now here they are winning military victories over the Arabs?
BTW, I think this is why Arabs continually refuse to accept Israeli victories. The Jews are supposed to be weak and despicable, and so there's always some "nuh uh, actually" statement about how Israel really lost because Arabs fired the last bottle rocket before a ceasefire even if they got destroyed. It's an honor culture and you can't show any weakness:
https://youtu.be/lV_SCy0O8L0

Also the criticism of these lawless, oppressive Arab regimes which are in cahoots with the West also come from religious types, Islamists, who reject everything Western including scientific thinking and the influence of the Enlightenment. So the problem becomes the Arab leaders wanting to live like Westerners and be "part of the club" while they shove a police baton up their asses (all true), but the solution is to reject everything Western and purify the religion because the religion is perfect. But other than the occasional surprises, it's not a strategy for developing an economy which is the real basis for winning wars. You look at Israel, it's much more developed, with a much more complex economy than any Arab country.

This doesn't have anything to do with certain leftists groups in Western countries though. I agree with OP though.

>>17806004 (OP)
>certain leftist groups
Run by jews who see Zionism as an obstacle to marxism, communism and tikkun olam.

Free Palestine and fuck jannigger

>>17806104
America is arming and overtly supporting atrocities in Yemen though. It’s just as much Saudi-Arabia’s ass buddy as it is Israel’s.

>>17806004 (OP)
I came here to say this

>>17806104
>If America were arming and overtly supporting atrocities in Sudan or Congo, then there would be just as much of a backlash
You are either retarded or 14
We did this shit, constantly, during the Cold War
No one cared
We were backing the Iraqis during the Iran Iraq war, they would take prisoners, roll them up in carpets and then roll them down hills where they thought the Iranians had placed mines
There are a million other examples
The Sandanistas
The Indonesian far right death squads
Holy shit, never talk again you fucking moron
Also, JSOC is working with regimes in Africa that have not great records on human rights
Right now
What the fuck, what planet are you living on?

>>17806423
Israel at this point is barely Ashkenazi. It’s mostly Arab Jews that got kicked out of other MENA countries and an increasingly large amount of Indians and Filipinos that suddenly realised they really, really care about the Torah when they learned conversion gets a western passport. In fact Israel is also blacker than Palestine is because it’s got African Jews.

>>17806004 (OP)
I see we've moved on from the "it's not happening" phase to the whataboutism phase ("it's happening, but what about these other unrelated things"). I assume "it happened, but it's actually a good thing" is the next step.

>>17806409
>That's not an option, palestinians can sue for peace by leaving the land or dying.
My post was about a hypothetical scenario in which all jews vanish from Palestine and Jordan and Egypt carve the territories out for themselves.
But regardless, you are aware that there have been numerous offers made to Palestine for a 2-state resolution and they rejected them right? Not to mention the original partition plan

>>17806004 (OP)
>More complex or morally ambiguous atrocities — like those in Congo, Sudan, Xinjiang, or Yemen
Depending on what country you're from. If you're American, you're actively paying taxes (it a country with a massive and growing debt) towards the Israeli government. You're not actively paying for Xinjiang to be genocided. You're paying a little towards Yemen, but nowhere near as much as Palestine.
Other cunts such as UK, Can, Aus aren't necessarily funding Israel, but they're governments have repeatedly supported Israel and the United States to an extent that they're simply not doing for other "controversial" governments around the world.

when you grab them by the means of production

>>17807811
>America is arming and overtly supporting atrocities in Yemen though
Because the Houthis there are pro-Palestine and anti-Zionist. Literally everything America does in the Middle East is for Israel.

>>17806004 (OP)
Free Palestine and fuck Israel.

>>17808103
The Houthis are fighting against Saudi Arabia for a decade now, retard.

>>17808108
Because America pushed Saudi Arabia into invading Yemen to replace the Houthis with ZOG puppets for Israel, you stupid lying kike cunt. No one believes your horseshit anymore. Everyone sees America openly doing the bidding of Israel.

Reminder Israel supported Rhodesia and South Africa while the west abandoned them.

>>17806004 (OP)
/thread
It's the untermensch mob in action, expressing their deep hate for the world.

Tur

>>17808126
Saudis did that on their own, was 2014 and like peak sectarianism for the middle east.

>>17808694
No no anon no one in the Middle East has any agency, it's all da jooooz

>>17808694
>Saudis did that on their own
No they didn't, They're vassals of America which is a vassal of Israel. They cannot do anything without America enabling and backing them up.
>sectarianism
The de facto ruler of Saudi Arabia is an atheist LARPing as a Muslim so his subjects won't depose him. He doesn't give a fuck about sects and just sees Islamic democratic movements like the Muslim Brotherhood and the Iranian Revolution as threats to his power.

https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/12171

http://www.globalresearch.ca/hillary-clintons-emails-a-sunni-shiite-war-would-be-good-for-israel-and-the-west-senior-israeli-intelligence-official/5515306

>>17808971
Known Yemeni Houthi Bashar al-Assad

>>17806184
>palis
Shalom!

>>17806004 (OP)
Left-wingers see jews as white and think Israel is a white supremacist state (even though only 30% of Israel's population is European "white" jews).
That's all their is to it.They're not "le based antisemites" like /pol/ thinks they are.

>>17806150
>The Palestinians are facing a ethnic cleansing genocide

Yeah, so are Sudanese christians.
Yet western leftists don't care.

>>17806004 (OP)
>>17809140
>>17806116
>So hatred of the West is what really drives this outrage?

Yeah pretty much.
Hatred of the West and of the white race (which the jews are perceived as being part of).
Here's what Rima Hassan, a member of the EU parliament who took part in Greta's little journey toward Gaza, wrote on twitter about white people.

>>17806004 (OP)
>The obsessive focus on Palestine by certain leftist groups reveals less about humanitarian concern and more about ideological self-narration. For them, the conflict serves as a perfect allegory for a world divided into eternal oppressors and oppressed — with capitalism, colonialism, Zionism, and the West always cast as the villains. More complex or morally ambiguous atrocities — like those in Congo, Sudan, Xinjiang, or Yemen — are sidelined, not because they’re less severe, but because they don’t fit the script. The real goal isn’t justice for Palestinians — it’s to claim victimhood by ideological proxy, and demand moral and political power as the self-designated voice of the oppressed. It’s a deeply cynical and manipulative use of real human suffering.

>>17806004 (OP)
>>17806184

If these Communist subhumans actually gave a shit for Palestinian people, they'd demand the head of Sinwar and every single one of his butt-buddies for tyrannizing them.

>>17806104

See >>17807824

We backed up far worse in Guatemala in the 80s and no one gave a shit. Hell, no one gives a shit about Israel's accessory role in ACTUAL genocides (the Mayan and Rwandan genocides, where Israel was instrumental in arming both regimes in the lead-up to it) even though it's a clear-cut example of utterly indefensible foreign policy.

>>17806004 (OP)

Leftist "thought" in a nutshell right here.

>>17807824
Did Social Media exist back then retard? if people saw what the CIA was up too in El Salvador or Guatemala, you can be sure there would have been protests and domestic terrorism the likes that made Vietnam protests and the Weather underground look like a polite day stroll.
Post-Vietnam, US kept it's atrocities and genocidal subterfuge on complete and total media and reporting lockdown.

>>17806004 (OP)
No it's definitely about humanitarian concerns.

The reason it gets so much more discussion is because there is a huge section of people in the West who are willing to go to bat to defend the occupation and genocide. You do get some who will defend the perpetrators of the problems in Congo, Sudan, Xinjiang, or Yemen, but they're usually very extreme or marginal hyper-capitalist hyper-globalist types. Bring up these situations and the most you'll get from most people is 'it sucks but what can we do' or 'we really need to stop interfering in the rest of the world'. There is no real argument there, the argument becomes a more general thing about capitalism or globalism (depending on who you're talking to, leftists don't like capitalism, rightists don't like globalism, but it's the same thing).

Bring up Palestine and you get a significant fraction of people who'll say 'this is one genocide that's fine actually' or something more nuanced like 'if you lose a war you lose your land', and so there is an actual argument to be had. And it stays focused on Palestine and Israel specifically because most of the people who argue against it are also pro-Jewish in those situations where Jews are discriminated against, they really don't want to take the argument down the road of arguing about whether bad things happening to Jews gives Israel some kind of permission to do what they want with Palestinians.

The overall effect is that a generalized interest in humanitarian concerns regularly gets jammed up when discussing Palestine and Israel, so it inevitably becomes a larger part of any humanitarian narrative. This is true even if the person doesn't really care about Palestinians, or if they're against certain Muslim regimes for other humanitarian reasons, or in favor of civil rights for Jews in the West and the rest of the world for other humanitarian reasons.

>>17806004 (OP)
A citizen of Bumfuck, Texas doesn’t have to sign a loyalty oath to some Congolese faction in order to get hurricane disaster relief. A member of Congress won’t be buried alive under millions of ASPAC bucks if they don’t grovel to the Sudanese regime. Most leftists are cringe but anyone can see how our politicians are led around by the nose by a certain government in aid of their ethnic cleansing program that we subsidize.

>>17809152
All she said is true, wypipo are just dumber kikes

>>17806004 (OP)
Communist here.
Because Zionists literally control the Government and media, have funded the far-right in the West for decades, have ratfucked the Left for decades. The entire fucking Western Establishment bootlicks Israel and Zionists to a fucking traitorous degree and Zionists have launched the most successful assault against Free Speech and political freedom in the West, since the McCarthyist era.
You can't even call a spade a fucking spade when it comes to Zionists, they go around committing horrific abuses, crimes, while acting completely haughty with massive psychotic amounts of narcissism, and the entire establishment, and half of civilized society go on a massive gaslighting crusade, to justify Zionist evil. It's fucking unreal.

>>17806004 (OP)
Emdash = Chatgpt.

>>17809292
>he thinks if the judeo-freemasons who run the political wresting reality show were to give him communism, it wouldn't still be zionist
Just give the central banks and government more power and they'll totally give us utopia, bro. Trust the plan! Totally not a retarded ideology.

>>17809287
If Christ-haters are so smart, why didn't/don't they even recognize the Messiah?

>>17809230
>We

>>17809140
The Israel-Palestine conflict gets tribal. Muslim politicians from immigrant backgrounds in the West tend to ride with Palestine really hard while Indians don't. In Britain, you'll see Israeli flags out at Tommy Robinson rallies (he's a big Israel guy) and Irish flags at Palestinian rallies. You get this split on the right between the Tommy Robinson types whose main grudge is Muslim immigrants on one side, and the natsoc antisemitic rightists on the other side (who sometimes even entertain the idea of an alliance with Muslims, although that view seems pretty fringe).

The Israeli government has also moved much to the right over the years. Bibi and his coalition in the same territory as Trump, Orban, Vucic, Le Pen, Modi, Millei, Bukele, and the AfD. The Russians have tried to play all coy and shit too on account of many Israelis being of Russian background.

Hamas is an Islamic fundamentalist group whose origin story is also on the far right. Belief in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion is a thing with those guys, and their original charter laid out a whole theory about how the Jews were responsible for the French Revolution and communism. It's not like they gave that up because they edited their charter. Palestinians chants (in Arabic) can also be just straight ethnic nationalism like "Palestine is Arab." Out with the foreigners:
https://youtu.be/s02tpdn8BUk

You can get some Stonetoss tug-of-war cartoons out of this one. It's like a massive car pile-up.

>>17807824
>The Indonesian far right death squads

Based an justifed

>>17809381
Anyone who trusts the jews is a damn fool, they are self serving schemers and backstabbers.

>>17806061
When the government does things.

>>17810826
ICE is my favorite socialist agency then

>>17806019
>The Palestine obsession is a cultural Christian thing: Westerners may no longer believe in Christian martyrs, but they still feel the urge to read conflicts as an oppressed victim which is ultimately supposed to be delivered by an evil oppressor, and Palestine vs Israel is the hand that fits the glove best
Right except it's Christians that are donating and volunteering for Israel en masse

>>17806147
You mean the same USA that organized coups in Iran to destabilise it and rob the Iranians of their sovereignty? Or the USA that funds their biggest geopolitical enemies (UK and Israel)

>>17808983
>Saudi Arabia, Israel and the US were only involved in Syria
The unholy alliance of gulf countries with the west to overthrow anyone that gets in their way has been going for a while now

Nah palestine fags are based, what is happening in the Levant is a crazy crime that shouldn't even be a thing anymore in the 21 century.

>>17806256
>At what point do you think it would become a a genocide then?
Never. Genocide is a word he'll only use for Jewish people and their pets

>>17809230
Hey retard, maybe it's because all of those conflicts weren't recorded and put on the internet for everyone to see what it's like worldwide

Also you're a fucking kike

>>17808445
You and Nietzsche are both faggot virgins

Libtards really got their jimmies rustled here, didn't they?

If you hate Palestine you are a rat kike

Simple as.

>>17806004 (OP)
This is correct OP. It's also correct that conflicts such as Palestine can still be seen as worthy causes independent of leftist retardation.

>>17813232
It's amazing how leftists always have the opposite effect of what they say they look for. There's lots of people who would oppose Israel actions in Palestine if it weren't for retarded leftists monopolizing the cause to use it for their own retarded goals that no one with a brain can support

>>17806330
>Let's say somehow Jordan and Egypt destroy Israel and take all the land for themselves

Already happened between 1948 and 1967, 2 decades in which not only both didn't consider establishing a state, But the PLO itself didn't consider the west bank and gaza a sovereign palestinian land, It's only after Israel took it after the six days war that it suddenly became an issue.

It's all about the Jews, That's the whole basis and drive of this trash movement, backed by the arab league and the soviets, And funnily enough over the years the Arabs eased their approach toward Israel and kinda threw the palestinians aside, Only for western liberals to take the role of the funders and supporters against the "zionists".

>>17813238
What part of the leftist narrative is exactly preventing others from opposing Israel?

>>17806004 (OP)
This is literally because of Soviet propaganda from the 1960s. It's just been massively successful beyond the original creators' dreams.

This is true, it's why despite being a chud I don't support palestine. All of the arguments they use against israel are arguments they would make against any white colonial nation.

>>17809321
>We

Yes "we", as in Americans

>>17810852
>Also you're a fucking kike

>>17806214
Israelis call it "mowing the lawn." Their words not mine. Shabbos goy.

>>17813359
You're either Jewish or English no two ways around it (def a fag tho)

>>17806219
>Many Jews hate it too because it forcefully drags them into their bullshit across the ocean/sea.
not many, very few. The vast majority of Jews see zionism as integral to their religion.

>>17809262
I haven't seen that kind of discussion from the people OP is talking about. He means more the people who go to protests and chant "globalize the intifada"

>>17810847
what was the appropriate response to october 7th in your opinion

>>17813496
He will now give the same pilpul(ironic) about how "globalizing the intifada" isn't violent at all *wink wink*

>>17806004 (OP)
If you ask any socialist they will make parallels between Klansmen and Jews. No joke.

>>17806011
Nothing is ever good enough eh? If we don't intervene you might chimp out. Now I don't agree with imperialism but if you let a nation or confederation of states develop on their own, once they become powerful enough will try to exert power over other nations. This isn't rocket science, its basic IR theory. Read a book.

>>17813467
Ah I see how it is. NTA btw.

>>17813496
>>17813499
It's all about connotations
>"intifada" just means "struggle", nothing to see here kafir!
Just like how "shahid" just means "martyr", but while Christians think of people like Jesus when they hear "martyr", Muslims think of suicide bombers.