Thread 17806164

So, I’ve been looking at ancient Roman pagan arguments against Christianity to see their perspective and one argument I find interesting is their response to Jesus’s miracles.

Instead of trying to deny or disprove them, they instead insisted that Jesus’s miracles were nothing special by bringing up other figures who supposedly did similar things and said “are these people too the son of god because they also did these things”? They also claim that Jesus learned how to do these things during his youth in Egypt because supposedly Egyptians knew how to do them.

>>17806164 (OP)
I’m not surprised that they did this considering people in the ancient world genuinely believed magic was real. Some examples being
>There literally being a Greek goddess of magic called Hecate
>Ancient Greek writers claiming that Magi, the priests of the Zoroastrian religion were literally wizards (fun fact, “magi” is also where we get modern English words like “magic, “magician”, and “mage” from
>Roman emperor Augustus apparently trying to outlaw witchcraft
>Egyptian priests supposedly possessing magic and esoteric wisdom

>>17806164 (OP)
In egypt there was a water to wine trick.
I can't remember how it works exactly. something about how liquids work. but you could poor water from this vessel and then poor wine from it. That's at least one i've seen.
What else

>>17806164 (OP)
That's rich coming from Emperor "I'll let my troops rumble through our own holdings in Syria unabated" Julian
What a massive holier-than-thou faggot, no wonder he got fucking assraped by Zoroastrian Persians

>>17806166
Everyone did all the way up until the 18th century.

>>17806230
You lost the crusades and now jews own you holy land lol

>>17806164 (OP)
>>17806228
Big difference between parlor tricks and the genuine miracles of Christ

>>17806230
The Romans started losing their wars against the Persians when the legions became heavily Germanic. Not because Germanics weren't good soldiers but because it was just too hot in that part of the world for them.

>>17806358
>Germanics dominated the entire African continent in the 19th century

>>17806348
They own you too, brownboi

>>17806358
The army that get aniquilated, exterminated and raped in Carrhae was not germanic and even less christian...

>>17806164 (OP)
Tbh when considering polemics against Lat antique christianity. You have to understand these polemics all came from the side of rival religions (Jews, Pagans mostly). Not atheists. Pagans (also jews ofc) fully believed their gods worked miracles and made wonderous things come to pass. An example of this is the Pagan Asclepidotus of Alexandria, in short, this guy was a Pagan and his wife was barren, to remedy this he went to a shrine of Isis in Alexandria; according to pagan sources of his life he and his wife obtained a blessing and then conceived a child. According to Christian sources, they bought the child from a priestesses.

>>17806164 (OP)
>le epic beard man
>pagan edition
Still cringe.

>>17806358
This is actually kind of compelling. Solar radiation would be a serious problem too in antiquity

>>17807012
it's an anachronistic projection of Reddit atheists to think these guys were fedora tipping science people who opposed Christianity when in fact they very much did believe in their own gods and lots of wacky superstitions and magic and stuff