https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OghbMUSTaos
https://www.brown.edu/news/2025-05-29/punic-study
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-025-08913-3

>>17807585 (OP)
DAS-A RITE, CRY. WE ARE THE REAL KKKAANANITES! CRY!
*Mario spin throws infant boy into open flame*

>>17807585 (OP)
Joseph sisters... we already have good models

>>17807686
G25 overestimates Natufian and pretends Iran_N/CHG doesn't exist. The models are completely different in actual studies.

>>17807691
Proof: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXjGwqYQ42U
>Due to the influence of illustrative DNA many people believe that Arabians can be up to 70% Natufian. This is wrong. In fact there is no group on earth that is over half Natufian.

Bump

Slav(e) sisters... Terrona sisters... it's over.

>>17809112
Wow, that's a of E1b in Italy. Semites sure did a number on Italian women, no wonder Italians are so borwn basically brown rapebaby mutts.

>>17807585 (OP)
Is metatroon going to make a "this is huge!" video about shitalians being essentially a bunch of slaves from the levant, raped by germanics in the north while real Romans were closer genetically to modern Spaniards? Somehow I don't think he will.

>>17809141
>nafricoon shitskin simping for Spajeets
Lmao

>>17809154
I'm not a nafri, i'm the usual Spanish poster
>italy_imperial
missed the point

>>17809157
Senoooor we aren't just Basques with Imperial Roman and negroid admixture that happen to cluster with Iron Age mudhutters by coincidence

>>17809161
You're audibly coping. You're the product of a mass racial replacement. You're the legacy of the Amerimutt of then. There's a reason Spaniards have always dominated shitalians historically.

>>17807686
This

>>17809185
Can you answer me why you pick up negro but none of this "pure Roman" ancestry if you are so close to them?
>There's a reason Spaniards have always dominated shitalians historically.
Napoleon was Italian and he ended the Spajeet Empire.

>>17809201
Your model is garbage and disingenuous and don't deserve to be adressed. Here's my answer.
>Napoleon was Italian and he ended the Spajeet Empire.
Napoleon didn't even play a major role in the peninsular campaign compared to others and anyway even if he was ethnically Italian it was the French empire, wops claiming his achievements when he invaded your ass too is crazy. It's just that there wasn't anything to collapse in Italy.

Sardinia was only colonized in the age of discovery so obviously Carthaginians couldn't be from there.

>>17809218
Napoleon should've imported nafris to rape iberijeets into compliance like Franco did

>>17809218
>Your model is garbage and disingenuous and don't deserve to be adressed
Cope. Most Romans were East Meds. These are the people that conquered Moorberia after the Punic Wars. There were no "pure Italics" left by that time. Actual studies say the same thing.
>Napoleon didn't even play a major role in the peninsular campaign compared to others and anyway even if he was ethnically Italian it was the French empire, wops claiming his achievements when he invaded your ass too is crazy
I dunno, an Italian commanding an army of Gauls sounds pretty Roman to me. That did happen before in history.

>>17809249
He did and still failed.
>Most Romans were East Meds
The slaves were I don't doubt it.
>These are the people that conquered Moorberia after the Punic Wars
The cannon fodder maybe was, not the elites who probably kept their west med profile well into the early imperial period. Just like WASP still exist in the racial chaos that are the present day USA. Mass mixing with the greeks only started after the macedonian wars and it was contained to the lower strata of society, naturally. By the punic wars Rome was still largely Italic.
>There were no "pure Italics" left by that time
Complete headcanon
>no pure italics goy
natufian genes acting up once again
>I dunno, an Italian commanding an army of Gauls sounds pretty Roman to me.
Yes and he used it to rape Italy but because it was a worthless shithole it had little consequence and because shitalians are feeble cucks they did not resist just like they did not resist their spanish conquerors before.

>>17809293
BTW you don't talk about how these "mud hutters" came down from central europe, conquered Italy, forced their languages upon the actual medshit mud hutters that lived there lmao. Your ancestors were raped and you are today speaking my language.

>>17809293
>>17809298
Sorry, they're already dating the formation of the "Imperial cluster" to 200BC, before Rome even touched any area of the Middle East. Also these Latins are from 700-600BC. This could've very well been the genetic profile of the actual founders of Rome.

>>17809310
Yes retard kun. 200BC, the Macedonian wars. That's what I've been telling you. Can you stop coping now like you've been for these past few years? it's getting tiresome.
The fact that you had to hide behind French achievements show me you're not someone serious.

>>17809328
Conquest of Iberia happened simultaneously. It even took up until the Imperial era to conquer all of it. And Andalusia is the region with the most Imperial Roman admixture due to it being a Senatorial province early on. The French from Provence (Gallia Narborensis, another senatorial province) are also East Med/Italian shifted.

>>17809277
Don't forget that most slaves were from Iberia and Gaul. Also all of the samples from Rome have Greek profiles, none of them are Northern Italian, let alone Moorberian.

>>17809201
Napoleon carried the Ethiopian haplogroup E-M84, he was unrelated to Shitalians and he actually led an army of French warriors that raped its away accross Italy, hence the presence of light hair and light eyes among some shitalians.

Romans thought of themselves as descendants of anatolians, not snowniggers or shitberians. It's time to stop coping.

>>17809361
Have I denied that?

>>17809369
There were less Iberians slaves than Germans, Gauls, Syrians or Thracians, factually.
>>17809464
Mere drivels. The Franks also larped as Trojans. It's inconseuqential.
>>17809369
Rome didn't exist in a vacum, they were Italics, and those Italics cluster with Spaniards, fucking deal with it. I have academia and big twitter accounts on my side, you only have your sperg out on /his/

>>17809486
>The Franks also larped as Trojans. It's inconseuqential
Uh oh: https://j2-m172.info/2015/04/three-j2-found-at-merovingian-buriel-site-roman-frankish-transitional-period/

>>17809486
>it's inconsecuential that we found half anatolian samples in early times because I said so
kill yourself

>>17809492
Yes we wuz Franks now. Just stop already.
>>17809515
There's hardly any samples, retard kun

>>17809522
On a serious note, they were not Franks by that time. They were French. They were referring to their Roman heritage obviously. The French do have some Imperial Roman admixture, specially Provencians like I said before. It's also completely possible the Frankish aristocracy was mixed with the local Roman nobles.

>>17809547
Ok and?

>>17809558
They larped as Trojan because they had Roman ancestry. Not hard to understand. And that ancestry was East Med-like. Romans larping as Trojan has actual basis on reality since samples mixed with Anatolians were found as early as 700-600BC.

>>17809579
You are completely out of your mind greekjeet. A fucking actual hotep make more sense that you.
I will be very clear with all of you:
Yes I know Romans admixture in Iberians and French is mostly imperial (protip: I don't give a shit)
Yes I know Romans were largely east med admixed by late republic and early imperial era
No I don't even care about we wuzing the ancient Romans as Iberians since as close as they were they still were their own thing.
Now if you wops and gayreeks want to be dickhead and shit in my boots you can be sure I will be bringing up the subject, because I know how much it annoy you and make you feel insecure that iron age Italics are slightly closer to Catalans than to north Italians, as petty as it seems. Fucking losers.

>>17809486
The Romans and Franks both descend from the same source population.

>>17809579
>Romans larping as Trojan has actual basis on reality since samples mixed with Anatolians were found as early as 700-600BC.

Troy wasn't in Anatolia. We've been over this a billion fucking times you stupid chudcel. Get it through your thick goblin skull.

>>17809602
If Spainjeets weren't insecure over having negro blood no one would shit on you. By default native Iberians are Basques and the rest are mixed with Negroes/Nafris, Imperials, Visigoths and Kikes. Iron Age populations don't always match their exact source. Illyrians cluster with North Italians instead of Albanians for example.

>>17809666
More drivel. You are far more admixed than I am or any Iberian is, you're basically levantine greekjeet, you're a fucking lebanese troon. Shut your yap.
Everyone know you're a utter mongrel, randomly shitting on Iberians won't save you from that. You're the favored target of nordicists, not me. Your country has a lower GDP than some French oversea departments (ie negroes). Just shut the fuck up, you're in no position to talk about anything.

>>17809703
Poortugal is just as poor as Greece and poorer than South Italy. Care to explain that? Something to do with being the most blacked part of Europe maybe? There is sure a correlation with African admixture and poverty in Iberia.

>>17809663
chuds board you subhuman

>you're subhuman
so that means you're part subhuman too
>it doesn't matter REEEE
iberjeet went full schizo. KYS.

Just seems silly to we wuz as mudhutters to me. No those samples are not "Republicans". We still have no idea about what was going on in the Republican period in general.

>>17809772
Portugal GDP per capita is far above greece and slightly above southern italy.
>>17809982
>Marcus Aurelius who was literally Iberian

>>17809772
PPP is such a retarded metric. The Czech republic which has one of the most dynamic economy in Europe on par with Italy and Spain is blue here. It's a hoorible indicator regarding the healthiness of one country's economy. Only a delusional retard who say that Portugal and Greece are somehow comparable. No, you're comparable with Turkey, your brothers of race.

>>17810162
PPP is the only statistic that matters to the average citizen. Poortugal is a shithole despite having a global empire that extracted local resources from everywhere unlike Greece and South Italy.

>>17810201
Based.

>>17810188
Late Portuguese empire was more a ressource drain than anything but why do I even argue with you greekjeet.
This is the reality where you live in
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/young-greek-women-selling-sex-for-the-price-of-a-sandwich-new-study-shows/2015/11/27/c469695e-94d9-11e5-b5e4-279b4501e8a6_story.html

>>17810188
>unlike Greece and South Italy.
Yes we know. Greece and south Italy are underwhelming shithole with 0 achievements under their belt. That's why you have to we wuz everything like negroes.

>>17810201
>>17810207
>le white Moorberian

>>17810250

>>17810250
Like clockwork. You have no argument. You can only use outdated nordicist slop that is also used against your people.
PS i'm not white, I don't care abojt being considered white.

>>17810255
Never beating the western Lebanon allegation

>>17810255
>>17810256
There's actual studies showing Spaniards lack light skin alleles. I won't waste time cherrypicking brown Iberians because they are endless.

Why can't we all just get along? Greekjeets, spajeets, terronejeets. We're brothers.

>>17810269

>>17810349
Because Moorberians want to pretend they are the Swedes of South Europe and even whiter than North Italians when it's not the case. North Italians have more steppe but Moorberians have more WHG (and negro). That's literally the only reason they plot slightly closer to those Iron Age samples. They have low steppe but high WHG as well (except the Proto-Villanovan also marked as _o here).

>>17810370
>want to pretend they are the Swedes of South Europe
We don't need to pretend.

>>17809663
So where is troy supposed to be? Spain? The Levant?

>>17810428
The dark skinned Swedes with SSA admixture of South Europe!

I kind of don't like the carthaginian peace now.

>>17809245
...that cognition and semantic comprehension...

>>17810435
>>17810370
Stop this stupidity. They don’t have subsaharan they have IBM.

>>17809486
>There were less Iberians slaves than Germans, Gauls, Syrians or Thracians, factually.
Cope.

>>17809703
>You are far more admixed than I am or any Iberian is,
Being admixed with neighboring populations is not as bad. Iberians were raped by men from Arabia, Greece, and Morocco that are genetically distant from them. As well as Amerindian and Congolese slaves in your case latinx troon.

>>17810188
PPP overweighs stuff like gas prices but the average guy these days wants an iphone or a computer and those are painful to buy in high PPP poorlands.

>>17807585 (OP)
This study is useless beyond confirming that the Carthaginians consisted of an E1b1b ruling class ruling over masses of European slaves, which was already known from ancient historians.


>Those who had served in the Carthaginian forces were Iberians, Celts, Balearic Islanders, Libyans, Phoenicians, Ligurians, and mongrel Greek slaves and they it was who revolted.
Didiorus Siculus
>Those who had served in the Carthaginian forces were Iberians, Celts, Balearic Islanders, Libyans, Phoenicians, Ligurians, and mongrel Greek slaves; and they it was who revolted.
Diodorus Siculus

>>17810881
There aren't any E1b1b samples aside from a Berber slave that wasn't a Carthaginian.

>>17810886
All Carthaginians samples are E1b1b >>17809112, other haplogroups are only among slave samples of Italian, Greek, White and Churka origin.

It's kinda crazy how racist Carthaginians were against Greeks, Terrones and Syrians in comparison to Romans who freely racemixed with them.

>>17810349
We're not brothers, I have more in common with a random Irishman than with you. Culturally and genetically.
>>17810370
Nobody pretend to be swedes but you greektroon. We know we're a west med population
>and even whiter than North Italians when it's not the case
It's the case, cope. The fact that north Italians inherited some light traits because Gunther the Lombard raped his female ancestors is irrelevant by itself. Afrikaaners are lighters than north Italians and Iberians but have more non european ancestry than both.
And nobody is ever going to take your shit model seriously, not even the most demented nordicists try to pass of the north African ancestry in Iberians for literal bantu admixture. You're alone in your delirum, as with everything else. BTW south Italians have IBM too so they're also part negros.
>>17810861
That's the truth.
There were also plenty of Italics and Greeks slaves. The ancient world was brutal.
>>17810865
You were literally raped into existence by J2 churkas, shut your yap. You are Lebanese.

>>17810966
>BTW south Italians have IBM too so they're also part negros
(according to your logic ofc)

>>17810966
>You were literally raped into existence by J2 churkas
This makes no sense. Ancient Greeks and Imperial Romans were J2 and became less J2 because of admixture with slaves from Iberia, Gaul, and Slavs.

>>17810984
J2 churka raped the ANFjeets that lived in Greece and that make most of the modern gayreek ancestry. Modern gayreek are genetically closer to the raped ANFjeets than to these J2 churkas
This does not apply to spaniards who are closer to and have more DNA from the bell beakers than to the ANFjeets they slaughtered. Spaniards are BVLL beakers, Gayreeks and Shitalians are ANFjeets AKA the Raped.

>>17810989
take your meds for your schifofrenia, you look like this

>IBERIA IS WHITE REEEEE
>PLEASE TAKE ME SERIOUSLY

>>17810995
That's a gypsy.
>>17810998
He's the best tennis player atm, how is this shameful in any way? Loser.

>>17811000
he's not a gypsy, he's andalusian and literally looks mulatto. You are the only people in europe who can look mulatto.

>>17810989
TRVTHBOMB
Shitalians and Greekjeets have no answer to this.

>>17811000
you also posted one of the best soccer players atm, you hypocrite

>>17810998
literally looks like a monkey. This is what african ancestry looks like

>>17811002
Absolute headcanon schizo. Andalusians are more northern shifted than north Italians. Illojuan is a gypsy, everyone in Spain know it. Shoo shoo Greekjeet.

>>17811007
Donnarumma is not even top 3 goalkeeper and I don't care about him. I know that some Spaniards look dark unlike you terronijeets and greekjeets who absolutely want validation from whites. I don't care about NW euro and in fact hope they get replaced.

for those wondering the two niggers that are samefagging and bumping this shitty thread are not italian, greek or spanish, but a french nafri and an american nigger.
I hate jannies so much it's unreal.

>everyone I don't like is a gypsy and therefore excluded from my category
>nevermind there are 2 millions gypsys in spain who mixed with the locals
I kneel to the pure bell beakers of iberia like pic related

>>17810989
>This does not apply to spaniards who are closer to and have more DNA from the bell beakers than to the ANFjeets they slaughtered.
In what fantasy? You are a latinx indio rapebaby simping for Moors.

Here is your "white" side of Iberian shitskin.

>by ~2000 BCE, the replacement of 40% of Iberia’s ancestry and nearly 100% of its Y-chromosomes by people with Steppe ancestry.
Then they got raped by Punics, Imperial Romans, Arabs, and finally Nafris.

That never happened to Italians and Greeks.

>>17811013
you live in the biggest lgbt loving shithole in europe and hope whites get replaced LMAO
please kill yourself, you retarded spic

>>17811021
>everyone I don't like is a gypsy and therefore excluded from my category
No? Alcaraz is swarthy but I did not call him a gypsy. If you lived in Spain you could tell the difference between swarthy natives and south asians invaders.
>nevermind there are 2 millions gypsys in spain who mixed with the locals
Yes, and they are not Spaniards just like American negroes are not WASPs, we're making progress.
>>17811027
Our demography is still far better than north western europe and Germany is gayer than us. Other europeans countries too but they just happen to have a lot of muslims which create a social taboo about this.
>>17811024
You're stupid. Modern Iberians are genetically closer to the bell beakers than they are to ANFjeets so they're the conquerors, not the conquered in that scenario.
>Then they got raped by Punics, Imperial Romans, Arabs, and finally Nafris.
Iberian YDNA is largely homogenous, Italians and Greeks YDNA is all over the place
Homogenous YDNA = not raped
YDNA all over the place = raped by multiple people
The fact that the most homogenous race on earth, the basques, happen to be Iberians, is an argument in favor and not against Iberians.

>>17811046
>Modern Iberians are genetically closer to the bell beakers
We already proved that Iberians have more ancestry and closer to EEF/ANF.
>by ~2000 BCE, the replacement of 40% of Iberia’s ancestry and nearly 100% of its Y-chromosomes by people with Steppe ancestry.

I don't mean any insult to Basques since they were only raped by Bell Beaker, unlike Spaniards and Portuguese that raped you indios.

>>17811054
>We already proved that Iberians have more ancestry and closer to EEF/ANF.
You absolute buffoon, Bell Beakers were part ANF themselves.
>I don't mean any insult to Basques since they were only raped by Bell Beaker, unlike Spaniards and Portuguese that raped you indios
You absolute troon, everyone know who I am here. I'm mostly French/Flemish with an Andalusian great grandfather on my mother side.

>>17811063
>Bell Beakers were part ANF themselves
Not nearly as much as Iberians who are majority ANF. You are retarded.

>>17811066
The 89 Greekjeet IQ is quite visible here. I never claimed Iberians were pure bell beakers, but that they were closer to them than to the ANFjeets.

>>17810989
Churka sissysters... our answer?

The greekjeet is retarded.

>>17811072
j2 greeks founded western civilization. Absolutely no one gives a fuck about ancient shitberians

>>17811073
>using bronze age bell beaker and neolithic north african to artificially lower it
also the most gypsy country in western europe calling anyone a jeet is just lmao

>>17811076
J2 greekjeets are ANFjeets that were raped by Churkas. You've been completely irrelevant for almost 2000 years and you live in the worst country in the EU.
Plato worshipped Atlantis (Tartessos)

>>17811070
I've corrected you numerous times, retard. Iberians are closer to Iberian ANF than the Bell Beakers. That's a fact you'll have to live with.

>>17811084
larping as an atlantean will not save you from the fact that no one gives a shit about ancient shitberians, while we still read stuff form middle eastern greeks today.

>>17811079
Gypsy are not spaniards you fucking numbskull. Just like blacks are not French. In greece maybe you don't make the distinction but we do.
>using bronze age bell beaker and neolithic north african to artificially lower it
You can't be that stupid baboon? We were talking about these very population. Bronze Age bell beakers and the ANFjeets they conquered. These ANFjeets were medshits like you btw. We raped you.

>>17811088
We read Seneca, Martial and Marcus Aurelius
Martial even called the Greeks a bunch of faggots.
And unlike I don't have to look back 2000+ years behind to find relevant stuff.
>>17811086
I demonstrated that they're not you stupid medshit >>17811073

>>17811096
>imperial italian colonists are shitberians
just kill yourself

50 IQ Latinx mental retardation on display.

Target: Spanish_Extremadura
Distance: 3.6943% / 0.03694333
60.4 Spain_EBA
32.0 France_BellBeaker
7.6 Morocco_Iberomaurusian

Target: Spanish_Aragon
Distance: 3.3613% / 0.03361321
66.2 Spain_EBA
29.8 France_BellBeaker
4.0 Morocco_Iberomaurusian

Target: Spanish_Andalucia
Distance: 3.7055% / 0.03705519
63.8 Spain_EBA
29.6 France_BellBeaker
6.6 Morocco_Iberomaurusian

Iberians are ANF that got raped by Bell Beakers then raped by Carthaginians, Greeks, Romans, Arabs, Berbers, Napoleon, etc.

>>17811098
>imperial italian colonists
What is this greekjeets? Why are the jeetalian colonists trashtalking us like the dalits we are
>>17811104
The bell beaker in spain don't come from France you troon, it comes from central europe. You are stupid. You fucking medshit, 20 IQ points separate us. Like a prominent right wing French figure of partial Iberian descent like to say : Rastapopoulos will never be Pericles.

>>17811112
>The bell beaker in spain don't come from France you troon
Retard. Bell Beakers crosses the Pyrennes from France into Africa, not from Bohemia, you 50 IQ Latinx troon. They raped your ancestors hard.

I forgot to insert the quote
>>17811113
No. Bell Beakers entered from central europe then into southern France and finally into Iberia. French bell beakers were located around modern France and low countries.
Why do you go against the scientific consensus like that? Why do you lie like this? Do you think that picking random internet wars with Iberians will raise gayreece GDP and will make your country less shitskinned? Spaniards don't care about gayreece, we only go there for whores and vacations. Your anti iberian complex of inferiority because your race has been utterly useless for the lass two thousands year is insane. Turks, Albanians and northern Europeans hate you, not Iberians. I'm French and I hear French nationalists trashtalk greeks all the time but I never see Iberians doing it. You are mentally ill and obsessed.

>>17811123
>I forgot to insert the quote
About Martial calling the Greeks a bunch of faggots from the epigrams but I can't find it now.

>>17811127
Found it
>Martial's name seems to imply that he was born a Roman citizen. His place of birth was Augusta Bilbilis (now Calatayud) in Hispania Tarraconensis, an information he gives by speaking of himself as "sprung from the Celts and Iberians, and a countryman of the Tagus". In contrasting his own masculine appearance with that of an effeminate Greek, he draws particular attention to "his stiff Hispanian hair" (Mart. 10. 65. 7). Several notable 1st century Latin writers were born in Roman Hispania, including Seneca the Elder and Seneca the Younger, Lucan and Quintilian, and Martial's contemporaries Licinianus of Bilbilis, Decianus of Emerita and Canius of Gades.
So these "imperial colonists" thought that the Greeks were faggots.

Neutral third party here.
Spaniards and French are the true descendants of the Romans, whereas Italians are merely syrian and churka slaves imported by the Severan dynasty into Rome to racially bastardize the Romans as a revenge for the destruction of Carthage.

>>17811135
Greeks at that time were very southern shifted, they resembles cypriots. See the marathon sample. You still didnt demostrate that colonists from rome would resemble shitberians deep in the imperial era

>>17811146
Nigger we have samples + in the quote I provided he explicitely make reference to the Celts and Iberians
We have a decent amount of samples from Roman Spain and none of them had an imperial italian roman profile. Zero. It's fair to say that by Trajan & co era the hispano-imperial ethnogenesis had already taken place.
Also good that you gave up on the Bell Beakers after getting absolutely demolished.
>>17811143
Atomic truthnuke

LOL
the roman iberian samples we have are not that many and the actually do have east medjeet admixture, just like modern jeetberians. Show me that the elite samples were locals (you can't), in the balkans they weren't. Why would they be in shitberia?

>totally 100% jeetberian ancestry
>not imperial roman in the slightest bro

>>17811171
>the roman iberian samples we have are not that many and the actually do have east medjeet admixture, just like modern jeetberians
Ok and? I never denied it. The point is that they were overall similar to modern iberians.
>Show me that the elite samples were locals (you can't), in the balkans they weren't. Why would they be in shitberia?
muh elites
If there were such elites samples we would have them by now. Muh elites is unironically a nordicist cope. You people have fallen that low. We have more argument for a nordic elites in Italy and Greece than a east med elite in Iberia because we actually have samples LOL

I don't understand why you people try to make me say that modern Iberians don't have imperial ancestry.
I never denied that, nor do I care.

I have little sympathy for Tom Rowsell, Costin Alamariu and their ilk but I'm glad that they are raping you lot delusional retards since at this point you're not better than actual nordicists, you cope and lie just as much as them. Except that these nordicists have a much broader audience than you since you are 89 IQ broke terroni.
I used to defend you against demential nordicists even when Spain wasn't involved but seeing how you people project your complex of inferiority toward Iberians as well I have no choice but to be glad that mainstream genetics is exposing you from the retarded MENA mongrels you are.

>>17811211
*is exposing you for the retarded MENA mongrels that you are.
At the end of the day you can seethe alone on /his/ I know i'll have virtually everything else on my side. You are impotents.

>>17811186
>>17811199
>>17811211
>>17811213
Trvth...

>>17811211
Kek i've been both to Spain and Italy (north and south for both countries), you all rook the same, unironically, if you both call each other moors then nordicist are right to call you both moors

>>17811223
I never denied this. It's the Greekjeets and Jeetalians who initiate those attack not us. There is indeed a significant phenotype overlap between Italy and Spain, you are absolutely right. The problem is that Italians being genetically different (more MENA shifted) they feel the need to sperg out at Iberians for no reason.

Taleb BTFO once again lol

>>17810139
None of the Roman emperors from Spain were Iberian, they were from ruling Roman families living there. You are just a pathetic troll, not even a Spaniard, just another nordishitter mentally ill loser

>>17811254
Cope medshit: >>17811219

>>17811254
>Iberians are subhumans and all their history was made by half syrian terrone wop btw you're not a real iberian you're a nordshitter
What is the name for this mental illness?

>>17811261
You are a nordicist troll who larps alternatively as either Spaniard or Italian to troll both 24/7, I can't think of a sadder waste of life than yours, pitiful subhuman

>>17811267
I'm not a nordicist, I hate them, you just can't handle the truth. If Italians have an attitude like you I'm glad to contribute to the division between

Wow, the American-Greek poster got absolutely raped itt, tough day for us east med bros!

>>17811211
>>17811213
>>17811219
>>17811261
>>17811270
Tom Roswell fanboy, you're going to get BTFO when the study about Classical Greeks comes out. If the Punics weren't Levantine admixed then neither were Imperial Romans. It's literally impossible for them to be. They dated the admixture to 200BC, which is before Rome conquered the Levant. You're just seething about the creators of Western civilization at the end of the day. Romans weren't pure Italic mudhutters. That's ridiculous.

>>17811565
cyprus bros... we won

>>17811565
>Tom Roswell fanboy
I hate Tom Rowsell and I hope him and all his family die
>Classical Greeks
I couldn't give less of a shit about gayreece and I always considered modern greeks and south Italians to be their closest relatives
>Romans weren't pure Italic mudhutters. That's ridiculous
Yes by their era of decadence they were, undoubtedly
Begone Arkos, you clown
>>17811578
Third world fiscal heaven award
Getting replaced award
Half of your island occupied by Turkey award
But I bet you think seething about Iberians on /his/ and we wuzing Romans will fix all of that!

>>17811611
>they were
they weren't*

>>17811611
>>17811615
You have been exposed as a nafrinigger living in France. Probably seething that Punics don't cluster with you so you spam the thread with your sperging.

>>17811630
More headcanon. I don't give a shit about the punics, I just pointed out Metatroon double standard.

>>17811611
mainland greeks granddaddies spoke albanian at home and even bulgarian for those in the north

>>17811642
Your Iberian larp is over.

>>17811652
trvthnvke
>>17811666
believe what you want I don't care

>>17810966
Italy and Spain and brotherly nations. Ignore this mentally ill Greek. It’s just not reasonable to change your entire perception of a people because of one autist.

>>17812101
idk the Greek started this crusade on his own.
He's also beefin with sicilians just because they have IBM admixture
Very schizo

>muttalian is still malding

>>17812398
Actually I'm starting to find these Iberian-Italian wars silly too.
For one thing I hate Germans and Anglos way more
Fuck even the French deserve to burn alive
Italy can wait.

>>17812398
That's an Arab rapebaby.

>>17812398
>>17812405
It's a random Brazilian from /int/ that Joseph keeps accusing of being Ahuwar, which is some poster from anthrogenetica he's obsessed with. The Punic study just completely shattered his Levantine larp since they had no significant Levantine ancestry. It's over for him.

>>17812418
>random posts dated to 2017
>no mention of any joseph or phoenician
looks like terrone headcanon to me

>>17809218
>italy can’t claim italian achievements okay
Yes it can retard. BTW citizenship doesnt change your race. Shitskin

>>17812424
Ahuwar believes there's a secret discord server plotting against him, he also believes this cabal is run a by a jew named Joseph. He is a complete schizo, best to ignore him.

>>17812443
I did not deny that Napoleon was Italian, but he worked for the French. He led a French army and was surrounded by French generals (with the exception of Masséna I guess). It was the French empire, you stupid we wuzzer.

>>17812424
>>17812465
You will never be a Semite Joseph

>>17811630
This means you're a canaanite unironically.

>>17812405
This creatura must be around 30% Negroid with some additional Asian ancestry in there. If it wore a thawb instead of a Nordicist t-shirt (lol) it could easily pass as Syrian, Lebanese, Saudi or Yemeni.

>>17812638
It's just some random Brazilian you found on /int/. That's pretty much what nafris are; Brazilians.

>>17812398
I just noticed the burzum tshirt kek.

>>17812555
>"you will never be a semite"
>proceeds to post a quintessentially semitic face

What did ahuwar meant by this. Does xe believe that xer greazy saudi mulatto face is how semites look. Kek, only their slaves, the most negrified ones to be precise, looks like xer.

>>17810250
this is not true, the computer generated heatmap is irrelevant, the study doesn't use any iberian sample, the red dots are the points where the samples are collected, there's nothing in iberia, closest thing are the basque from france/that score 100%)

>>17810269
why do you keep posting this fake chart >>17810250?
i don't give a shit about iberians being dark btw, i'm simply tired of you posting fake stuff

>>17811611
the persians are famous for not being able to conquer greece, use the albanian flag, it's more realistic since southern mainland greeks are just albanians while the northern ones are bulgarians

>>17813445
they conquered the ionians

>>17813516
anatolia is not in greece

>>17813445
Lemme guess, it was revealed to you in a dream
Also, the original comic is a strawman

>>17813620
they were greeks

>>17807585 (OP)
Painful nafri cope thread

>>17809115
E1b is not common in modern Italy and it's mostly native Balkanic E-V13.

>>17813861
no and that isn't a flag of "greeks" but a flag og greece