Why did not Hitler or anyone else in the NSDAP party elite ever do anything to separate the increasingly suicidal and erratic Goebbels from his children? Why would Hitler allow Goebbels to fly six aryan children, the future of the germanic race, into berlin when the red army was closing in?

>>17808269 (OP)
By the end of the war nobody was at the wheel, they had to start sending in Child Soldiers from the Hitler Youth because there was a lack of soldiers, Hitler was telling everyone to double down instead of surrender because he realized what kind of sick shit humans were capable of from firsthand experience and would rather have killed himself than fall victim to being an allied POW. The whole regime was in complete shambles

>>17808269 (OP)
They were right outside of Berlin before it was encircled. They got a painless death while most children living in the Eastern regions of Germany were not as lucky

>>17808269 (OP)
Why didn't David Ben-Gurion save Anne Frank?

>>17808307
they were there by the discretion of Goebbels. They could have been hidden on a remote farm like the speer family was or been flown to the fortifications in the alps like Goerings daugther was. But Goebbels 1945 was suicidal and could not imagine a life after Hitler for himself or his family and I can't see why Hitler or none else foresaw that.

>>17808670
They were a bunch of feminine druggie freaks and lacked the masculine faustian urge to simply retreat or allow others to retreat.

>>17808269 (OP)
Why didn't Jim Jones just let the defectors leave with Leo Ryan?

>>17808307
Neo Nazoid cope. The children of other party elites were unharmed, like Himmler’s daughter Gudrun Berwitz or Speer’s children. He and his wife savagely murdered their entire family as a petty act because they didn’t want their children to live in a world without Hitler and national socialism and because that’s what many others were doing. Not because every child in Germany was getting raped to death by the red army which is just a lie. This kind of suicide is normal in death cults, which national socialism was, which is why the mass suicides of Germans late in the war were on a scale unheard of before.

>>17810818
seen this repeated a lot but never witnessed anyone acknowledge or respond to it. your great leader surrounding himself with death cultists seems like a pretty big deal.

>>17810818
1. They didn't have the benefit of foresight knowing what their enemies would do. Specifically the Soviets were a rampaging murdering horde of asiatic mongols who left absolute destruction in their wake. For all they know, if they captured their children they'd have raped them a thousand times over. Keep in mind that a lot of Germans, outside of Hitler circle, killed themselves for the same reason.
2. While the Americans and their allies weren't great either, they were considered vastly more civilized which is why the Nazis that surrendered usually did so to them. Like Gudrun.
3. Speer was a Judas who'd have sold his own children to escape. In this sense, he was useful being the only high ranking Nazi member to renounce Hitler and repeatedly make up lies about how bad he was thereby disilussioning Germans from the Fuhrer and paving the way for the new regime.
4. By the time plans of evacuating survivors came into play, it was already far too dangerous and the Soviets were at their doorstep.
5. Hitler didn't know about Goebbels decision. And Goebbels himself preferred for his children to leave, but Magda didn't want a world without Hitler and without their parents these children would have had it rough to put it mildly.

>>17811419
>1
none has said the death cult was limited to the people around Hitler
>2
which makes you wonder why Goebbels chose to put them in berlin in the center of the Red armys advance
>3
Himmler and Goering didn't do the allies any favours and their kids did fine
>4
Nothing would have stopped Goebbels from removing the children long before that. Hitler allowed plenty of other civilians to leave before the red army encircled them and even asked Ewa braun to do so.
>5
if Hitler was of any sound mind at all at this time he should at least have worried about what would happen to Goebbels children once the red army had overrun all defenses.

>>17810818
Himmler's daughter wasn't captured by the Russians, why are Yids always lying?

>>17808670
Goebbels had promised on the radio not to flee Berlin. He and his family were the propaganda face of the Reich so they couldn't flee

>>17810818
>>17812166
Neither Himmler's nor Goering's nor Speer's children were captured by the Russians. Stop lying or deflecting

>>17812561
>>17812568
>>17812570
Goebbels amd none but Goebbels put the kids in harms way of the red army. He could have put them literally anywhere else but put them there.
None would have known if his kids went somewhere else.

>>17812644
His wife and children were the propaganda face of the Reich just like him. It would be like if London was surrounded by Russians and the royal family arranged to save their children while letting the kids of average commoners die

>>17808269 (OP)
>Why did not Hitler
VIVA MEXICO O ALGO

>>17812686
Mexicans like Hitler though. OP is probably a jeet

>>17810818
>they didn’t want their children to live in a world without Hitler and national socialism
Who can blame them, really?

>>17812644
This, reminder that Karl Döritoz spent basically his entire administration trying to make as many Germans surrender to the Western Allies as possible, it was the obvious move.

>>17812688
Indians like Hitler too. The Israel love is just an extension of their feud with Pakis.

>>17811419
Göbbels knew what his wife was planning, otherwise he would have questioned why the fuck she brings the kids to Berlin mere hours before the city gets cut off and all hope is lost for anyone inside.
Northern Germany, the Alps, occupied Norway etc were in German control by the time of the surrender. The children had multiple safe placed to be sent to. The allies werent going to rape them. Brutalizing German civilians and POW was a criminal offense for the allies, and the Germans were fully aware of that fact.

This topic is probably the most obvious stormfaggot cope because they insist to die on every hill to make NSDAP look good.

>>17808269 (OP)
Hitler ordered child soldiers to fight to the death before shooting himself in a bunker. He was an evil coward (even and perhaps especially if you buy the conspiracy theory he escaped).

>>17808269 (OP)
Well, I do believe there were "true believers" like Goebbels and Hitler who'd drank their own kool-aid. They became assured of their own invincibility from all the times they won hugely on incredibly unlikely gambles.

At the time that Goebbel's children were flown in to live in the Furherbunker, I believe they still held out faith in their ultimate victory. Maybe Steiner's army would break through and save Berlin (or some such pipe dream like that). I think they genuinely believed the Fuhrerbunker would be the safest place in Germany for them.

Then reality set in the final couple of weeks. The war became obviously unwinnable and the probability of escape became unlikely (particularly the higher they were on the Nazi food chain).

Facing their own imminent defeat to the Soviets, they simply thought the best fate for their immediate family was for them to be euthanized. The family would no doubt be subject to torture and death and Soviet hands, who were notoriously rapey and prone to torture their victims.


But it's tough to say what's correct. The few people who stayed in the fuhrerbunker were generally treated favorably. In fact, the Soviet leader simply told them to stay there until safe transport could be arranged for them to go back home. The Soviet leadership made a point of seeing the fuhrerbunker (and Hitler's remaining aids and cooks) was appropriately guarded and no one showed up to rape and pillage them.

In reality, Goebbel's family and Hitler's dog may have been spared. It's really hard to say. I imagine at the very least they'd be grilled and possibly subject to "advanced interrogation".

>>17812881
tbf your great leader not surrounding himself with death cultists is a pretty big hill to die on

>>17812166
>none has said the death cult was
There is no death cult, just people making their last stand as heroes
>which makes you wonder why Goebbels chose to put them in berlin in the center of the Red armys advance
>>17812881
I'll answer both because they're the same question. Goebbels was not aware that Berlin would be the last stand, he wanted Hitler to continue to retreat and fight somewhere else. He wasn't the only one, almost everyone urged Hitler to do so but after realizing that the war was practically lost with no hope of turning it around, Hitler couldn't bring himself to do so. By that time Magda and the kids were already in the bunker. Hitler urged them to leave but they refused to do so
>Himmler and Goering
This is the benefit of foresight. And both had already 'betrayed' Hitler by negotiating with the Allies.
>Nothing would have stopped Goebbels from removing the children long before that.
How about almost certain death and worse - capture. The city was heavily shelled at that point. Bormann literally died trying to pull off what you're suggesting. Imagine trying to escape with 5 little kids in the middle of a warzone. Also, Goebbels urged Magda to leave, but she wouldn't bulge. He can't force her and he can't have his children taken by someone else.
>if Hitler was of any sound mind at all at this time he should at least have worried about what would happen to Goebbels children once the red army had overrun all defenses.
I'm pretty sure he was worried about a shitload of things, we have no way of knowing. Our information of the bunker is either heavily biased (in the case of Speer who also barely spent any time in the bunker) or truthful, in the case of Misch and Junge who weren't particularly close to the Fuhrer outside of their jobs. Misch in particular was very trusted by Hitler, but he wasn't exactly what I would describe a close confidant. And Junge's knowledge of Hitler only comes from her role as his brief secretary

>>17813529
>There is no death cult, just people making their last stand as heroes
By killing themselves instead of fighting on after the war was over? If it was so brave do you think modern national socialists should follow their example?
>I'll answer both because they're the same question. Goebbels was not aware that Berlin would be the last stand, he wanted Hitler to continue to retreat and fight somewhere else. He wasn't the only one, almost everyone urged Hitler to do so but after realizing that the war was practically lost with no hope of turning it around, Hitler couldn't bring himself to do so. By that time Magda and the kids were already in the bunker. Hitler urged them to leave but they refused to do so
Nothing about this would have stopped Goebbels from bringing his children far away from Berlin
>This is the benefit of foresight. And both had already 'betrayed' Hitler by negotiating with the Allies.
you don't know your own history. Goering wasn't dismissed for negotiating with the allies but for asking Hitler if he could assume control if contact was lost with Berlin
>How about almost certain death and worse - capture. The city was heavily shelled at that point. Bormann literally died trying to pull off what you're suggesting. Imagine trying to escape with 5 little kids in the middle of a warzone.
Bormanns whose children noticeably were abscent from Berlin
>Also, Goebbels urged Magda to leave, but she wouldn't bulge. He can't force her and he can't have his children taken by someone else.
Of course he could have and of course he could. Do you really think there was none else he could trust or that his wife had so much sway over him so she could put him in that position

>>17813529
>>17814696
>I'm pretty sure he was worried about a shitload of things, we have no way of knowing. Our information of the bunker is either heavily biased (in the case of Speer who also barely spent any time in the bunker) or truthful, in the case of Misch and Junge who weren't particularly close to the Fuhrer outside of their jobs. Misch in particular was very trusted by Hitler, but he wasn't exactly what I would describe a close confidant. And Junge's knowledge of Hitler only comes from her role as his brief secretary
I think there would have been nothing stopping him from wondering what would happen to any remaining children or women once everything broke down

There is nothing in what you have posted that stopped Goebbels from placing his family far away from Berlin. Hitler had made no public addresses since the failed 1944 coup attempt and Germany fought on so Goebbels secretly placing his children somewhere else would probably not have changed naything

>>17813529
You're such a fucking retard.
Göbbels was the one who supported Hitler staying in Berlin to the end.
The children were flown in after Hitler refused to leave.
You're literally making shit up, hoping people will believe your bullshit. Why? What's the point convincing anons of something that isnt true?

Also why are you quoting things I never even said? It's fucking weird. What kind of anon writes his own text and then puts it as a quote?

Finally, if Göbbels wanted to save his children he wouldnt have brought them to Berlin mere hours before it got cut off. He would have sent them anywhere else.

This is the biggest stormfaggot cope of the entire ww2 debate that just gets ridiculously absurd because they themselves cant see how irrational they are.

>>17814696
>By killing themselves instead of fighting on after the war was over?
The war was over at that point. There was nothing they could have done to win except go out with dignity.
>Nothing about this would have stopped Goebbels from bringing his children far away from Berlin
What do you mean? Goebbels wasn't even in charge of his children, Magda was. Magda brought them. By the time she brought them, there was no means of escape for high ranking NSDAP members, especially given they were 5 small children.
>Goering wasn't dismissed for negotiating with the allies but for asking Hitler if he could assume control if contact was lost with Berlin
Which he did in order to negotiate with the Allies.
>Bormanns whose children noticeably were abscent from Berlin
Most children were absent from Berlin because they were cut off and isolated in the middle of nowhere like Goebbels' step-son or Gudrun. At that point there were not even basic lines of communications
>Do you really think there was none else he could trust or that his wife had so much sway over him so she could put him in that position
Yes. Keep in mind that at that point it was very difficult who was 100% loyal and who had his own designs. Goering, Himmler and Speer had all went against Hitler's orders.
>>17814703
>There is nothing in what you have posted that stopped Goebbels from placing his family far away from Berlin.
Except the fact that Berlin was a warzone at that point and extraction of anyone would be extremely dangerous. You people think this is Fortnite or something.
>>17815014
Goebbels supported Hitler because Goebbels had full faith in Hitler. If Hitler decided to retreat south, he'd have supported him in that. The rest of your post is nonsensical.

>>17815340
Ok so you admit that Göbbels knew Hitler wasnt going anywhere and neither was he, and also knew Berlin was hours from being encircled, so sending the children to Berlin on that day would equal their deaths, either by him or the enemy.
Yet he still did it.

And how is it nonsensical to say that the children could have been sent anywhere else where it was safe?
Bavarian Alps
Most of northern Germany
Occupied Norway/Denmark
All of these were in German hands by the time of the surrender.

bumpette

>>17808269 (OP)

Every parent is responsible for their own kid and nobody else.

>>17816785
Responsible for their safety, not their murder.
A child is an individual, they're not property.

>>17808269 (OP)
>increasingly suicidal Goebbels
Sometimes I think the anti suicide movement goes too far

>>17815387
>Ok so you admit that Göbbels knew Hitler wasnt going anywhere and neither was he, and also knew Berlin was hours from being encircled, so sending the children to Berlin on that day would equal their deaths, either by him or the enemy.
No, where did you get that from?
>And how is it nonsensical to say that the children could have been sent anywhere else where it was safe?
The children could have been on the Moon, I don't get your point.
>All of these were in German hands by the time of the surrender.
Explain to me how you'd get from Berlin to Bavaria in your scenario.

>>17808269 (OP)
Why are trannies so obsessed with other mens children?

>>17817054
>Explain to me how you'd get from Berlin to Bavaria in your scenario.
Use a train
Use a car
Use a plane
Before April 23, any metthod was possible to leave Berlin.


>The children could have been on the Moon, I don't get your point.
To get them away from the Red Army.
So they likely will live.
Is it so hard to understand?

You cant send someone to the moon
You can send someone to the alps or Northern Germany or to occupied Norway.
The fact that I need to explain this shows the average IQ of a /pol/ tourist stormfag.


>No, where did you get that from?
Hitler told everyone on his birthday that he would never leave Berlin. Göbbels was perfectly aware of this yet he sent for the children anyway.
Also, Göbbels supported Hitlers decision to stay, unlike many of the other top NSDAP who were present and who decided to leave before the encirclement was complete.

>>17817058
Are you a tranny if you have a negative opinion on murdering children? Is this where /pol/ sets the bar?

bump

>>17816811

A child is not an individual until young maturity.
If they considered the act the most correct resolve of their circumstance, that was their responsibility alone. Nobody else's.
End of story.

>>17818446
You are a supporter of Fillicide then?

>>17818451

I support evil people being drowned in the blood of their next of bloodkin & thoughtkin.

I love how this topic just causes a /pol/tranny meltdown.

>>17818495
It looks pretty bad for them. Hitlers most powerful and loyal guy kills his six children because he cant allow them to live in a world without Daddy. Thats pretty silly when your main critique of democracies are that they are weak and neglect their bloodlines for strangers.

>>17818700
if they lived you would be saarposting about them being raped by russian solders or w/e

>>17818702
Why do i not post that way about Bohrs, Goerings or Rippentrops children?

>>17818711
Because you only found out they had kids after googling "nazi political kids" in response to my post

>>17818729
Tell me why the red army did not rape those kids now

>>17818729
some people actually learn about the nazi leaders outside of dark age tiktok edits

>>17810818
bro I dont want to live in a world without national socialism or Hitler lmao

>>17820012
and yet you've managed to not kill yourself so far.

>>17817142
>Before April 23, any metthod was possible to leave Berlin.
None were possible.
>To get them away from the Red Army.
This isn't a video game
>Hitler told everyone on his birthday that he would never leave Berlin. Göbbels was perfectly aware of this yet he sent for the children anyway.
Not really. Goebbels was advocating for the defense of the city up until late April. Hitler reafirrmed his decision to stay in Berlin around 25th and even then Goebbels believed that they could pull of a miracle and nothing was set in stone.
>Also, Göbbels supported Hitlers decision to stay, unlike many of the other top NSDAP who were present and who decided to leave before the encirclement was complete.
Goebbels supported everything Hitler did because Goebbels had utmost belief in Hitler and never wavered. The only time he disobeyed Hitler is when Hitler told him to leave and Goebbels refused.

>>17820168
You are just acting obtuse now

>>17820168
>None were possible.
Why not? The Soviets had not even approached the eastern suburbs at that point so most roads and rails out of Berlin were clear. There was ample of time to get the children somewhere actually safe instead of keeping them in a city that they knew was about to be encircled by several Sovet armies that had shattered everything before them since Kursk.

>This isn't a video game
Is it only in video games where the Red Army doesnt reach Bavarian alps, schleswig-holstein, provisional capital of Lubeck, occupied Norway etc?
Literally any of those would have been safe, safer than Berlin.

>Hitler reafirrmed his decision to stay in Berlin around 25th.
Yeah, because he had already said he would since before.

>and even then Goebbels believed that they could pull of a miracle and nothing was set in stone.
So at best you can argue it was a gamble to stay in Berlin because Steiners counterattack could potentially overwhelm the three Soviet armygroups.
It still doesnt explain why his children had ro be there sharing the risk that Steiner might not succeed.

>Goebbels supported everything Hitler did because Goebbels had utmost belief in Hitler and never wavered
Ok
Still doesnt explain why the children had to be there instead of somewhere actually safe.

>The only time he disobeyed Hitler is when Hitler told him to leave and Goebbels refused.
So Göbbels had decided to stay and die in the city.
So why was the children there? Did they want to die there too? Were they asked? What do you think their answers would be?

>>17818495
a scud missile will blow up your house kike

>>17821339
There's no other way to act with someone not arguing in good faith
>>17821480
>Why not?
Because by 25th of April Berlin was surrounded and even before that it was shelled to smithers. The reality that anyone can just walk away, especially five little children, is pure fantasy.
>Literally any of those would have been safe, safer than Berlin.
This is Germany a few days prior to its surrender. Explain to me the safe path to reaching said locations. Especially given that communications across have completely been broken down at this point and you'd have no information on where to go, what roads to take, etc.
>Yeah, because he had already said he would since before.
Yes, but most outside of him believed that the situation could still change.
>It still doesnt explain why his children had ro be there sharing the risk that Steiner might not succeed.
Because they'd share the risk regardless. Goebbels wasn't leaving Hitler, Magda wasn't either, they can't rely to give their children to someone else that might sell them out for a few shekels and they have no idea what would await them. You might call them paranoid, but that is what they thought at the time. It's the same reason why Hitler killed the most precious thing to him at the time in Blondi. He couldn't bear the thought of what they'd do to him if he was captured. Now whether they WOULD HAVE done anything isn't the point here, it is not knowing that is important.
>Still doesnt explain why the children had to be there instead of somewhere actually safe.
Where would they be?
>So why was the children there?
You're like a broken record. The children were there because their parents were there. Goering, Himmler and Speer's children weren't there because their parents weren't there. It's that simple. If Goebbels was in North Italy or something instead of staying in the Fuhrerbunker, they'd be there instead.