How can anyone still defending creationism unironically?

>>17809752 (OP)
Lead was positioned here 4000 years ago by God. There,done.

>>17809752 (OP)
The Earth isn't 4000 years old according to any belief system. 2000 BC in the Bible is between the Flood and Abraham.

>>17809752 (OP)
The only people who unironically think that the earth is 6,000 years old are weird American Protestants

>>17809761
It's a rabbinical teaching, not even specific to protestantism.

>>17809754
your foreskin also magically came to disappear when you were born

Well, I'd hate to steelman Christards, but one apologetic retort for this is the idea of non-constant decay rate of radioactive isotopes, but the issue with this theory is in order for radioisotopes to decay at the rate that this theory proposes, it would have to release a tremendous amount of energy, enough to literally make the planet unlivable from extreme radio-global warming

>>17809769
No the doctor did it

>>17809752 (OP)
I was told dragons were real

>>17809752 (OP)
>Earth was recreated from the last Greater than Great Reset 4k years ago
sounds better?

>>17809752 (OP)
Not a very persuasive argument because it assumes that God didn't just create lead out of thin air, which is what that poster probably believes. You see at a certain point beliefs become so detatched from evidence that it's almost impossible to find evidence against them.

>>17809800
they were but they were like a chicken-serpents

>>17809807
No because if the so-called "great reset" still left 4 billion year old radioisotopes in the crust then it wasn't really a reset now was it?

>>17809819
>4 billion year old radioisotopes
that is false, that age really on static degradation rate and its based on current one, in short its just baseless assumption, a fairy tale

>>17809813
>You see at a certain point beliefs become so detatched from evidence
It just raises more questions about his God though, like why would he create lead in such a way as to make the Earth appear to be 4 billion years old in the first place if that wasn't true. Or why would God leave fossil evidence of extinct animals that provide evidence for evolution if God created life in a week? Depending on how much koolaid that person drank they'd either continue trying to handwave all this away or it would actually make them think. Or at the very least take the apologetic approach of "well okay science is real but a week in Gods time is like 4 billion years in our time so it doesn't disprove the Sky-Jew-Kaiju" which is fine by me honestly

Imagine believing your grandxerson was some fish bird rat thing

>>17809752 (OP)
Because it's obviously what the bible teaches. I don't care what man's opinions are, I want to know what God says.
In the beginning, God created

>>17809826
>that age [relies] on static degradation rate
In order for nuclear decay to have happened at the rate you think it happened within 4-6k years, it would have to release enough heat to make the Earth an unlivable wasteland. Again, this has been talked about to death already. Apologetics even tried tackling this problem by proposing that said heat was sent off into space by storms and flooding, but in order for the weather to dissipate that amount of heat would require a hurricane the size of the Earth itself that is active for literally trillions of years. Your belief just isn't compatible with reality my guy

>>17809841
neither yours
but hurricanes of the size of Earth sounds neat, I am stealing that
its more likely that they come from our old sun the Saturn when it was a dwarf star and we were under its plasma sheath, elements would come from its occasionally going micronova
also
>water bridge

>>17809849
In order for Saturn to have ever been a brown dwarf (which in and of itself is a failed dwarf star) it would need to be at least 50 times its current mass. Again, this is all the same tired bullshit from the Discovery Institute and Answers in Genesis have been peddling for years and have been debunked. You're not going to win this anon

>>17809841
>Apologetics even tried
This is the same category error as when you talk about "the Science" doing things
>Your belief just isn't compatible with reality
No you

>>17809862
not exactly
it just need to be powered by cosmic currents
when Sun captured Saturn and Earth it stolen it from Saturn and it turned down into gas giant, like the lamp with little fuel left

>>17809862
>umm sorry sweatie that's been deboonked you're not going to win

>>17809871
The problem with this theory is that it's also not consistent with reality because every planet is on the same orbital plane around the sun, suggesting all the planets emerged out of a proto-planetary disc, this is why the rocky planets are closer to the sun while the gas giants are further out. If Saturn was more massive in the past, we should expect to see it among the inner planets.

>>17809879
The planets were created in their positions around the sun from nothing.

>>17809882
You'd be better off saying that God is the one that set off the Big Bang and everything beyond this emerges out of primordial forces that God setup. This is why I have more respect for Deists than Apologists. Apologists pervert religion by trying to find naturalistic basis for it but this completely misses the point of religion, since religion is based on faith, if we had naturalistic basis for religion then it wouldn't be religion anymore, it would just be naturalism.

>>17809879
>suggesting all the planets emerged out of a proto-planetary disc
BS
how you explain that some have different axis of rotation or Venus that rotate in opposite direction?
most bodies in Solar system are captured objects

>>17809890
>You'd be better off saying that
That is the foolishness of men, but it contradicts scripture. The cosmos are not a product of natural processes as if they created themselves, but God spoke them into being from nothing by His power.
>This is why I have more respect
What made you think I was interested in your respect?
>Apologists pervert religion by trying to find naturalistic basis for it but this completely misses the point of religion, since religion is based on faith, if we had naturalistic basis for religion then it wouldn't be religion anymore, it would just be naturalism.
Agreed, naturalism is garbage and has nothing to do with the truth.

>>17809752 (OP)
Adam and Eve were only 1 day old while in the Garden of Eden. But they didn't look or act like newborn babies. God has always had the ability to give the appearance of age to something, including the Earth.

>>17809752 (OP)
How do they know the decay of radium? People havent lived that long, nor could we validate these theories. Best case is conjectures that we can only validate as far as the past 100 years or so.

Bros even if the earth is billions of years old can God and Jesus still be real?

>>17809905
Adulthood has functional elements - strength, intelligence, ability to have offspring etc. Having a specific concentration of certain isotopes within crystals inside a certain geological layer has no such functional elements, aside maybe from "the ability to deceive people into believing the Earth is old", if you prefer to believe Yahuehuehue is a trickster god.

>>17809986
>has no such functional elements
show sauce Mr. geologist

>>17809986
The relevant part is how it looks
>the ability to deceive people into believing the Earth is old", if you prefer to believe Yahuehuehue is a trickster god
Completely meaningless strawman

>>17809752 (OP)
>>17809761
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>>17809813
>I hate God so much that I esteem his word as toilet paper.
Enjoy Hell.
>>17809838
>>17809905
Yep.
>>17809981
No, at least not as described in the King James Bible, because they would be liars.

unfortunately the lengthy series of math logics and physics knowledge applied to suss this kind of shit out is so far beyond anyone who didn't go into a career involving proofs that you may as well not even bother.

>>17810196
This is highschool stuff, or at least approachable from highschool level fundamentals, I think at least half of my students would be able to figure it out with resources if motivated enough
Unsurprisingly most cretards lack highschool level anything, which is mildly amusing to me, like how do you even see the world around you without understanding atomism or comparative anatomy or how to solve an equation

>>17810608
for a good amount of them, its not the lack of education, but the fact they simply refuse to acknowledge anything that contradicts their beliefs regardless of the proof, trust me I once had a class with an unironic creationist

>>17809752 (OP)
Most of the more traditional denominations don't fundamentally have problems with it, at least not expressed too vocally, as Creationism remains the most traditionally orthodox belief regarding how matters came about in the universe. Whether that is expressed as Young Earth Creationism, arguably the most traditional and orthodox of the stances, or Old Earth Creationism, a much newer yet still generally tolerated or respected stance, what truly matters for the Christian is following the Lord Jesus Christ, however the universe was created.

>>17809981
The (two conflicting) genealogies of Jesus given certainly don't support it being that old.

>>17809752 (OP)
Creationism is not the belief that the Earth is 4,000 years old, it is the belief that the universe was made, which is a scientific fact according to the standard cosmological model.

>>17809782
No, it was little pink and yellow gremlins that took it away from you after your parents sold your soul to them. Prove to me otherwise.

>>17810624
>Young Earth Creationism
>arguably the most traditional and orthodox of the stances

>Old Earth Creationism
>a much newer yet still generally tolerated or respected stance

holy fuck you're so unbelievable wrong, its astonishing you had the confidence to post this.

>>17809986
>there's no such functional elements to humans having the earth in a habitable state and not 6000 years into its actual formation

>>17809754
Why is God constantly testing our faith with placing tons of false... LEADS?

>>17810675
Ah yes, the almighty Creator of the universe, reduced to LARPing as natural history because apparently He couldn’t figure out how to make a livable planet without faking 4.5 billion years of cosmic and geological receipts. Truly inspiring—omniscience so advanced it needs to gaslight future scientists into thinking God’s just Nature in drag. Praise be to the divine con artist.

>>17810180
>God's word wasn't published until 1611
enjoy hell

>>17810749
The classic "if I'm ever wrong God is deceiving me" argument. You're a clown

Talmud is full of calculations that show the earth is however old science declares it at that given point.

Anyway I don't understand how you couldn't be a creationist. God created the universe in 6 days and rested on the seventh. Not that complicated.

>>17810749
>Skyrim is a 14 year old game but has 1000 of years in lore
Atheists can't seem to figure this out.

>>17810811
indeed, yehuehue is the greatest deceiver

>>17809752 (OP)
what if god just made lead tho?

>>17810180
I will never understand KJV autism, I mean it was just an ultra protestant version of the bible, it says some things that resonate with moderns due to politics but aside from that, why?. I'm a protestant, but I'll concede that even the orthodox have some good points, though they think I'm going to hell

>>17810803
Talmud says the Earth is 6000 years old

>>17811389
No it wasn't, the "ultra Protestant version" was the Geneva Bible, the KJV was the official Church of England version. The reason some autistic Baptists are so attached to it is human tradition. KJV Onlyism is a tradition of men.

The bible is so incredibly clear about this from start to finish it's not even funny. I challenge anyone to show me the bible teaches anything but a literal creation of the earth in 6 days 6,000 years ago. You can't do it, it's not a question of what the bible says but whether you will believe it.

>>17809761
And Eastern Orthodox Christians.

>>17809759
Retards who claim the earth is 4000 year old got confused by the claim that the earth was created in 4000 BC (6000 years ago)

>>17810609
You mean it's the fact they don't share your godless worldview (religion)
>For the word of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved, it is the power of God. For it is written, “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and the cleverness of the clever I will set aside.”

>>17809752 (OP)
>God didn't create lead
>>17809813
>You see at a certain point beliefs become so detached from evidence that it's almost impossible to find evidence against them.
Ah yes, "Nobody created lead" is so much more logical
>>17809781
>in order for radioisotopes to decay at the rate that this theory proposes
Not an issue. The only thing that needs to change is the initial composition. The dates were calculated from this assumption. Counterexamples to the Hinduism-age-Earth include the rate that Manganese nodules form at the bottom of the ocean, Carbon-14 being discovered trapped in diamonds, soft tissue being discovered in dinosaur fossils, the discovery that opalization (a kind of fossilization) could be done as quickly as 20 years, and leather remains from an 1898 Australian leather factory discovered as converting into crude oil in merely 80 years.
>>17810749
>without faking 4.5 billion years of cosmic and geological receipts.
Hearing garbage like this over and over made me consider becoming a Young Earth Pagan. Atheist Mythology is becoming exceedingly boring. (It was never true, but it made for some good stories). It had a good run in the 20th century, but Science Fiction has died as a literary genre. The hope and optimism of Modernism, post-Deism and the belief in Scientific Socialism and Communism has died. Nobody cares about "Primitive man" anymore. Nobody cares about "Extraterrestrial life" anymore. The "Darwinian Tree of Life" is dead.
Religion-wise, in 2025 AD, the United States is comparable to Ancient Greece after Alexander the Great terminally poisoned the Greeks' own Dodecatheism with his imperial cult. Atheism is on hospice care.
>>17809986
>"the ability to deceive people into believing the Earth is old", if you prefer to believe Yahuehuehue is a trickster god.
"God is so evil! He made us think that the Sun was moving around the Earth, when it was actually the other way around!"

>>17812508
>leather remains from an 1898 Australian leather factory discovered as converting into crude oil in merely 80 years.
>Source: Creation Ex Nihilo, Vol. 12, No. 4, 1990 p:29
zozzle

>>17809766
Christians learned a lot of their stupid shit from Jews but nobody ever points out the obvious.

>>17809831
Wanted to include worldbuilding from before the story, obviously

>>17809761
>>17809766
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWjtRFNSl2s
>*Conan music playing*
>to each of these societies thriving around the globe so long ago, the world of their grandfathers' grandfathers was already ancient, just as Ecclesiastes described it to be
>and on this particular day, Sunday October 23, 4004 B.C., no one alive would've believed that this was the first day, or that the earth had just been created that morning

internet atheism used to be so kino...

>>17811751
Tick tock.

>>17811400
Verse?