Thread 17814802

Many modern "trad" conservatives mistakenly idealize the 1950s as a time of moral purity and traditional values, but what they’re really clinging to is a corporate fantasy. The clean-cut nuclear family, obedient housewife, and polite white children they revere mostly come from advertising, TV shows, and Cold War propaganda, not historical reality.

The actual 1950s marked the rise of suburban sprawl, mass consumerism, and the breakdown of extended family and agrarian life. It was the birth of modern America, deeply modernist, not traditional. Families left farms for suburbs, started eating processed foods, and got their values from TV and marketing campaigns.

These nostalgic visions often reflect emotional projection and low historical literacy. People are responding to the chaos of the present by idealizing a past that never existed, confusing Coca-Cola ads with lived experience. Ironically, by fantasizing about the 1950s, they’re defending the very cultural shift that ended true tradition and replaced it with mass-produced identity and conformity.

Describe American culture from the 1900s-1940s.

>>17814802 (OP)
Suburbs are based you seething insect.

>noooo you can’t just drive to the city when it’s convenient then go back to your spacious house

Suburb hate comes from seething leftist scum who want to ban cars and force everyone to live in grey hive cities like vermin.

>>17814802 (OP)
The dad: Is an alcoholic war vet with PTSD who beats the shit out of his wife daily
The mom: Is addicted to pills, is boning the newspaper delivery boy
The older son: Will get drafted into Vietnam, commits brutal war crimes, develops PTSD, comes back from the war, gets hooked on heroin, and joins a biker gang
The younger son: Was molested by the parish priest but it's covered up because it would be bad for the community if everyone knew.

>>17814837
>Suburbs are based you seething insect.
Compared to rural living the suburbs is like living as an insect

>>17814838
No war crimes were committed by US forces in Vietnam. It was all justified and we should have done more.

On the right in america there is a general idea or concept that every issue or problem is a sort of disease caused by "they" (liberals, jews, globalists, lizards etc)
If you were to get rid of that disease then everything would go back to working and they would get the american dream.
(drain the swamp and america becomes great again)
That way american right wingers can complain about issues while shunning and avoiding any criticism of america, the constitution, capitalism, liberalism etc
never asking for any reform or political change
The 50s fantasy plays into this because it allows you to believe america was at one point perfect or almost perfect and then "they" caused it to become bad.
And without the disease things would go back to being great
Btw i've seen people even idealize the 80/90s in this same way.

>>17814840
edgy

>>17814839
Did most people move to the suburbs from the city or the countryside

HMMMMMM

>>17814841
This is a strawman of the right that does not to be taken seriously.

Plus leftists are psychotically obsessed with hating white people.

>>17814802 (OP)
I agree, Golden Age Fallacy is retarded.
However, OP, you fail to understand that Fallacies go both ways
While the 50s had many, MANY problems (Race riots, Eisenhower Recession, amphetamines sold as diet pills et al) you're completely off-base by shitting on that decade on basis of fucking Suburbs (Chud Anon is right btw suburbs are based and you don't like them because of Sour Grapes) which weren't even first developed in the 50 contrary to popular belief, and families leaving farms? Retard, have you EVER worked on a farm a day in your life? They were more than happy to leave shitty yokel farm life for a job in the suburbs selling vacuums and television sets to people. The point is not to generalize an entire decade

>>17814842
Get napalmed cuckold, that’s what happens when you violate the sovereignty of south Vietnam.

I would have volunteered to go to Nam so I could ride in a chopper and liberate communists with red hot lead to the skull.

>>17814838
Why do leftists always project their own broken upbringing onto others?

>>17814848
>On the right in america

Why did you bring up muh right then immediately try to pivot to calling me the direction brain? Are you stupid?

>>17814847
Can you give an critic of america that doesn't involve "they"

>>17814851
>While the 50s had many, MANY problems (Race riots, Eisenhower Recession, amphetamines sold as diet pills et al
The Four Lads and Pat Boone being played on the radio nonstop, etc.

>>17814857
Can you rephrase your request in proper English, you ESL gibbon?

But yes: 1950’s America had unions on the upswing and they’ve lost all power in the following decades.

>>17814852
>>I would have volunteered to go to Nam so I could ride in a chopper and liberate communists with red hot lead to the skull.
You are like 15 years old

>>17814863
>On the right in america there is a general idea or concept that every issue or problem is a sort of disease caused by "they" (liberals, jews, globalists, lizards etc)
you:
>this is a strawman
>muh leftists tho

>>17814851
Outside the Chicago riot in 1951 the decade didn't have many big race riots compared to the chaos of the 60s.

>>17814868
>nooo you can’t glorify killing communists it was le bad or something

Haha M240 go BRRRRRRRRRRR

>muh communists
like i said

>>17814869
You brought up “muh right” then cried like a bitch about “direction brain”

Bros, why are leftists always projecting????

>>17814873
You brought up nam first

Bros, why are leftists always projecting????

Am I the only one who gets a weird kink/BDSM vibe from these “trad” movement people? All this chatter about dominance and submission and masculine energy and feminine energy and chastity belts and uniforms and shit feels very performative and weird. Like a big public BDSM “scene”.

I dunno. In my culture we don’t put a ton of thought into this stuff. If you like each other and work well together, you get married. End of story. If you don’t like each other or work poorly together, you get divorced, end of story.

A wife gives everything she can to her husband, and a husband gives everything he can to his wife. Labor isn’t really gendered, it’s whatever is pragmatic for you. If wifey is a genius who can make big money in an office, so be it. If husband is good at fishing and hunting, so be it.

Kids spent equal time with mom and dad. Grandparents help raise grandkids as parents go about daily chores and errands.

Just feels way more natural and organic than actively roleplaying a fantasy with your loved ones.

>>17814871
The M240 wasn't used in Vietnam. You are 15.

>>17814874
1. i didn't post the direction brain pic
2. i'm not a leftist
3. yes i described a behavior on the american right. Which you very much exhibit

>>17814802 (OP)
some countries nostalgiafag the 50s but nobody in my country would ever ever want to revisit that decade

>>17814878
>Am I the only one who gets a weird kink/BDSM vibe

You sound like you’re terminally obsessed with porn. Yuck.

>>17814876
1. i'm not leftist
2. someone else brought it up

>>17814881
no one cares, Lithuania

>>17814879
I did it care to look it up, I just picked what I used when I was a crew chief

>>17814880
You described a strawman

>>17814881
Nobody would want to visit your country period.

>>17814884
Why don’t you learn how to form English sentences before posting here? Why are shitholers even this obsessed with 50’s America?

>>17814888
What was the strawman?

>what was sold to Americans in the 1950's was a socialist corporate fantasy made to appeal to illegal europoor immigrants in the cities so they would keep working and then move to suburbs
>Eventually the cities emptied out completely of europoor illegals and now they're full of Mexican and nigger illegals and Jews, some assorted Mediterranean scum and slabs
Wow thank you bunkerchan I'm now super fucking racist and a nationalist now

>>17814890
“All right wing politics are about blaming a “they”

Quick dismissal of your point- liberations are right wing and don’t do that. I win.

>leftist
>communists
>shitholers

>>17814893
*libertarians

See when I make a grammatical error, I have the courtesy to fix it. Why can’t the brownslop shitholers on this board do the same?

>>17814893
>Quick dismissal of your point- liberations are right wing and don’t do that. I win.
Why don’t you learn how to form English sentences before posting here?

Never understood the glazing of the 50s. Home ownership rates were way lower then, and housing quality was inferior compared to today. Not to mention poverty being thrice as common. Sure things were “cheap” but for the same reasons that things are “cheap” in the 3rd World. Nothing is worth a damn, and selection is nil. And if you were Catholic, Brown, Jewish, a Woman, Disabled, Poor, LGBT, or Black you got treated like shit everyday of your miserable life for the crime of being born.

>>17814894
>no arguments

I’m winning this thread so hard it’s not even funny. Even christcucks do better than this.

>>17814899
Already addressed that issue. Try again.

>>17814882
Not porn. BDSM. Kink.

The weird elaborate roles these couples apply to each other and others in their social circles. The emphasis on power dynamics and set roles and control and release and masculine energy and feminine energy and blahblahblah. It’s very sexual and performative.

>>17814906
Your brain is absolutely porn rotted to the core.

>>17814893
Sorta.

Conservatives want to kill peoples and subjugate them.

Libertarians wanna stand by and let that happen.

Anyway good thread, was fun guys. Gonna go drink happy fourth to all Americans and happy glippyglop browoid festival or whatever you thirdies celebrate.

>>17814905
I see plenty of american libertarians doing what i described and they do so to not have to criticize capitalism and liberalism

>>17814908
I’m not very into porn. I have a low libido. I just call it like I see it. You’re into BDSM.

>lefties
>communists
>shitholes
>thirdies

>>17814900
The cities were filled to burst with wops and Jews and in California Mexicans taking all the housing. Niggers had been flooding into the north for 40 years and were also taking all the low income housing. There were massive housing shortages culminating in New York City going full blown communist in the 70's and going bankrupt. People were burning down their rental properties and moving out of NYC.

The corpo-socialists that let all these dysgenics in the country ran these ads to try and give them a way out "move to the suburbs, then youll be white"

Okay now what numbnuts

>>17814888
>I just picked what I used when I was a crew chief
You weren't in the military.

>>17814802 (OP)
>>17814891
OP has a point, but it's not the point he thinks it is. The 1950s was where everything changed fundamentally, but it wouldn't be perceptible to most until the mid 1960s. If you lived in a WASP small town in the north, things were pretty pleasant like a Norman Rockwell painting, but gradually things would get worse and worse.

Boomers thought it was "boring" being bratty teenagers who didn't know anything else. Born into the postwar boom with greatest generation parents who grew up in the depression and fought in the war they thought it was a given that people would have self-discipline and trad values, that these things weren't really threatened and there was plenty of space to smoke weed in college paid for by daddy's GI bill. They believed it was like loosening your belt, kind of like Millennials wearing a hoody at work, because getting comfortable doesn't affect your performance in many cases. There were of course serious consequences to abandoning trad values and family values, but they were decades ahead.

Likewise black people were still terrified of the h'white man and kept their anuses tightly clenched around white boys and white girls giving boomers the impression the warnings from southerners were hocus pocus, assuming they heard the warnings. Because the experiment with "equality" had only begun they had no way of knowing the results. They liked the nice black folks propped up on the television like Sammy Davis Jr. and concluded black people actually were equal and by treating them fairly they would naturally rise to the same level as white folks as various immigrants groups had done. Even during the urban decay of the 70s they could just move to the 'burbs or a whiter city to escape and pretend it was temporary until the new generation of integrated blacks grew up.

It was a slow burn. You might argue it goes back to the new deal or the decadence of the gilded age or the civil war, but things certainly picked up in the 50s.

>>17814837
Suburbs are taking the worst parts of rural and urban life and mashing them together

>>17814915
As opposed to all the whites “taking all the housing”? Use your brain. Housing is more available now than in the 50s because we actually build more and at a lower cost with superior quality.

>low income housing

Oh fuck, you’re as bad as a leftist now. Protip: There is no such thing as “low income housing”. Just high housing supply.

>New York in the 70s was Communist

Holy Fuck dude, words actually mean things.

>The corpo-socialists

Nigga, what?

>>17814932
So many words to say you’re an authoritarian fascist

>>17814935
Of course there is such a thing as low income housing. It's the cheapest rattiest apartment you can afford and live like a bug in. Which is what most immigrants to the US did. When you live as a big for generations and then the next shipment of low wage workers gets shipped in guess what? You now have 10,000 people trying to get your apartment, and theyre more desperate than you are

>>17814943
Also a reminder, Italians literally lose their shit when you level some 80 year old brick tenement held up by rat skeletons and shedded wop hair

>>17814943
>Of course there is such a thing as low income housing.

No.

Housing is just housing. What people call “low income housing” means ordinary housing that has filtered down to lower rents because it’s older, smaller, or less desirable. In other words, the same unit that was “middle-class” when brand new becomes “low income” over time as higher-income tenants move on and the building ages.

When governments build or subsidize “low income housing,” they’re just artificially lowering the price of a regular housing unit for some renters, but the building itself is still made of the same bricks and concrete as other housing. So “low income housing” is really a pricing or allocation policy, not a separate type of building.

>It's the cheapest rattiest apartment you can afford and live like a bug in.
>Which is what most immigrants to the US did.

Duh? That’s the filtering process in action. Old housing becomes more affordable over time.

>When you live as a big for generations and then the next shipment of low wage workers gets shipped in guess what?
>You now have 10,000 people trying to get your apartment, and theyre more desperate than you are

When new waves of low-wage workers arrive and compete for that same aging housing stock, the supply can get locked up, and prices can actually rise even for bad apartments. That’s what happens in tight housing markets. Demand goes up, but the number of housing units doesn’t, so landlords can still charge more even for substandard apartments.

Thats a supply issue, not a demand issue. You know what happened? We BUILT MORE HOUSING and the market relaxed. In a healthy housing market, new construction would help ease that crunch by letting older buildings keep filtering down. If new housing isn’t built whether because of zoning, costs, or politics then you get exactly what you described.

We have a lot more supply available of housing per capita in modern cities than 50s cities.

>>17814802 (OP)
>Many modern "trad" conservatives mistakenly idealize the 1950s as a time

Who the hell do you think you're talking to? We literally lived like that. That was our families. Our great grandparents and grandparents told us who we are and what we had. I know this is difficult for those with broken lineages Jamal, but not everyone suffered the consequences of broken homes and urbanization.

>>17814961
>I don't understand that the brick tenements built in the east coast to house wops was de facto low income housing for poor people
>It's not an immigration issue it's a housing issue
Oh it's definitely a mass immigration issue. Because once the fuckers take all the apartments you're forced to buy a house, sometimes outside of the city. This means every new mass immigrant replaces the last

>>17814974
You're dumb, Greasers, Beatniks and Proto-hippies down in Greenwich village New York weren't living like that. You're projecting your own personal experience onto everyone from a while decade and are going to dismiss all the other groups I mentioned as no mattering for some reason

>>17814802 (OP)
For me, it's the America of the Era of Good Feelings, closely followed by the 1890s, then the 1920s, then the 1980s, and THEN the 50s. It's an overrated and overromanticized decade that's often confused for the late 40s and early 1960s, but for a number of reasons is still up there for the best time to be an American for obvious reasons.
>people are responding to the chaos of the present by idealizing a past that never existed, confusing Coca-Cola ads with lived experience.
Every has-been or dying Empire does this and has since the beginning of time.
>Ironically, by fantasizing about the 1950s, they’re defending the very cultural shift that ended true tradition and replaced it with mass-produced identity and conformity.
In all fairness it was basically this weird intermediate period from the late 40s to early 60s where there were all the material comforts of the postwar world without almost any of the cultural nonsense ushered in by the Boomers that completely ruined it and set all the worst tendencies of the era in stone. You still had streetcars, transcontinental passenger trains, and strong public transit networks; while crime was at all-time lows due to the Ellis Islanders finally integrating and organized crime starting to seriously decline.

>>17814974
Right. So why aren’t you married and raising kids?

Besides being an ugly autistic creep with no prospects in life and the character of an ill-disposed ferret, I mean.

>>17814987
>Beatniks and Proto-hippies down in Greenwich village New York weren't living like that
Are you seriously saying urban Bohemians represented the U.S as a whole in the 1950s?
>Greasers
These were poor old-stock Whites along with some Hispanics in Urban areas, often in the Southwest and Deep South. In rural areas these guys didn't exist.

>>17814996
Why aren't (You) married and raising kids?
I think that answers the question.

>>17814981
If you suddenly have thousands more people looking for apartments all at once, but you don’t build more housing, rents go up no matter who those people are. Could be immigrants, could be new college grads, could be people moving from other states, or even the product of a baby boom like after WWII. Immigrants can’t move into housing that is already occupied either.

Simply building more housing is how you control rises in rent without harming the local economy.

>>17815002
One boy and one girl. Divorced and remarried now. Warm relationship with the ex. Try again.

>>17815007
Pics and timestamp.
I have a kid myself.

>>17815012
Are you insane? Never in this shithole

>>17815015
Well then I too have two children, a hot wife, and an ex I use as a fuck buddy when the missus gets uppity.

>>17815004
Why would an anarcho capitalist city long since taken over by foreign monsters importing illegal aliens to lower wages and raise property prices which they are invested in build more housing?

>>17815019
Also do you even think these retards are capable of running a city they didn't build

>>17815031
I meant to say foreign mobsters but it fits

>>17814843
>Did most people move to the suburbs from the city or the countryside
Both you retard

>>17814894
American Cold War propaganda is a hell of a drug.
Watch him say that universal healthcare is "communist" or that railways are "socialist".

>>17814819
VGH

>>17814900
>if you were Catholic, Brown, Jewish, a Woman, Disabled, Poor, LGBT, or Black you got treated like shit everyday of your miserable life for the crime of being born.
TAKE ME BACK

>17814843
rich peopled move to the suburbs, and the only people that were rich were city dwellers
poor bumpkins move to the city to escape rural poverty > they get money > they move to the suburbs because they want to larp as rural dwellers without going back into poverty
this is supported by how many people that live in objectively urban areas today insist they're rural; they inherited a vague sense of what their parents or grandparents were doing without understand why and how their parents or grandparents did what they did

>>17815019
>Why would an anarcho capitalist city long since taken over by foreign monsters importing illegal aliens to lower wages and raise property prices which they are invested in build more housing?

America isn’t anarchist #1.

#2 You seem to be conflating multiple different economic actors with clashing incentives under a single banner. My guess is that you’re a Nazi demanding violence against Jewish people.

#3 Immigrants lower the cost of living for everyone in the economy by helping reduce the cost of goods and services, providing price relief. On top of that, immigrants are more likely to start new businesses than non-immigrants. And thirdly, immigrants are not robots: they want goods and services too and help create new jobs needed to meet their demand. Wage depression only occurs among the poorest, uneducated, and most replaceable sectors in the economy. So a pretty good trade off for the average person in aggregate.

>>17815023
Are you stupid?

>>17815044
Glad you finally admit you don’t give a shit about freedom or equality

No different from the Nazis and Soviets

>>17815048
>poor bumpkins move to the city to escape rural poverty
All the people in the major cities who these ads were targeting were foreign illegals that moved to the US with a promise of money. They didn't have any money so the government literally subsidized all the Italians to move to Staten island for example

>>17815054
>you don’t give a shit about freedom or equality
The real redpill is that nobody ever has.

>>17815059
You think poor rural Americans didn’t migrate to the cities too? Shit, I grew up in a conservative rural shithole and GTFO to the city as soon as I was able to. Nothing out there but meth, alcoholism, incest, corn fields, trucks, superstition, and despair.

>>17815050
You don't understand the first thing about America if you don't realize that mass immigration to shitholes like NYC and Boston are 100% planned and wanted to lower wages and raise property values

You talk about the responsibility of the state to house all these dysgenics comfortably, it's also on the government to not sponsor ethnic replacement

>immediately deflects to "they" who came to ruin things
you can't make this shit up

>>17815074
Who lets the dysgenics in that take the housing and jobs?

>"they" took everything from us through nebulous "actions"!
>just get rid of "them" and we will RETVRN to the golden age!

>>17815077
More like get a grip retard. Spending trillions to house illegals is harder than just not letting them in in the first place

>>17815071
Can we please drop the fake concern about the economy? You want to kill and/or subjugate brown people. If you could have it your way you would do the same thing to brown citizens.

NYC and Boston are world class cities full of massive wealth, genius, innovation, prosperity, freedom, and development. Wages are the best in the nation and the standard of living is among the highest.

Rents are high because of ridiculous zoning laws and anti-construction laws. Wherever these are relaxed, so does the rental market.

>>17815079
>NYC and Boston are world class cities full of massive wealth, genius, innovation, prosperity, freedom, and development
Are you Indian by chance?

>"they" are stealing your money to house "them"!
>VGH we need to get rid of "them" to RETVRN to the 50s...
>when a different "them" was also poisoning the country, and after we get rid of "them" we can RETVRN to the 1890s...
>when a different "them" was also poisoning the country, and after we get rid of "them" we can RETVRN to the...

>>17815074
It’s important to remember that the American conservative is less worried about prosperity and growth than they are about spite against minorities. A recent study discovered that Republicans who lose social welfare they depended on actually become even more conservative and sycophantic.

“A Conservative will eat shit as long as you have to smell his breath.” as they say.

>>17815079
I'm not a murderer but I will acknowledge that if push came to shove I know what team I'm fighting for. This is simple resource management. Why would white people subsidize brown people in cities when they're not even supposed to be there in the first place?

Facts are facts. Stop letting illegals in and the problems with housing stops and the housing bubble pops

>>17815083
Unironically Jackson was the one who doomed the U.S by giving random retards the right to vote.

>>17815084
no I'm well aware the average righoid american operates solely on spite. they happily choke themselves on diesel fumes to "own the libtards"

>>17815078
Have you tried leaving them alone, promoting new construction, and relaxing naturalization laws instead?

Because it is drastically more cost effective than terrorizing everyone

>>17815088
Ah yes the imperialist Whigs which were the first to sponsor mass illegal immigration into the US were the real Americans

>>17815091
Why would you leave massive detriments to the economy and people's quality of life alone?

>>17815081
Are you inbred by chance?

>>17815092
>the first to sponsor mass illegal immigration into the US
Jackson was the one who worshipped muh slavery that kept the Southern Whites in perpetual poverty and underdevelopment

>>17815098
Jackson was fighting the same people that flooded the US with browns

>>17814837
Amerimutts live like this and you call other people insects?

>>17815084
american conservatives look at the whole
>suffering builds character
idea and instead of realizing that suffering is unavoidable and persevering through unfortunate but unavoidable suffering makes you stronger, they think they should maximize the suffering people experience to somehow maximize their character growth
just a deeply retarded, heartless group of people

>>17815095
>doesn't deny the Indian allegations by posting hand
>says i'm inbred for some reason
Yup, it's a Jeet.

>>17815101
>Jackson was fighting the same people that flooded the US with browns
And yet he was also the one that fought tooth and nail to keep a giant class of unpaid, unskilled labor economically viable and also laid the seeds to the federal reserve due to his anti-national bank autism.

>>17815085
>I'm not a murderer but I will acknowledge that if push came to shove I know what team I'm fighting for.

Oh? Who’s the subversive now?

>This is simple resource management.

No, this is called intentional market failure.

>Why would white people subsidize brown people in cities when they're not even supposed to be there in the first place?

Same reason brown people and white people in the cities subsidize poor rural whites despite the net drain they are on the economy, I guess.

Who gave you the right to tell Americans where they can and can’t live in America?

>Facts are facts. Stop letting illegals in and the problems with housing stops and the housing bubble pops.

You already went mask off and admitted this isn’t about immigration or the economy. The American population will continue to grow one way or another, and the most efficient proven solution is to BUILD MORE HOUSING instead of crippling the economy by removing taxpayers and laborers.

>>17815102
Most American Suburbs aren't Levittowns, that's a complete strawman, they're usually broken up by local parks, schools, local shops, strip malls et al
But even still, everyone in that pic has a driveway, 2 car garage, a 3-4 bedroom, 2-3 bathroom house front yards and back yards with trees.etc etc so I don't understand how you can even look at that pic like it's a bad thing. Must be sour grapes

>>17815077
>>17815083
>This is a strawman of the right that does not to be taken seriously

>>17815094
You mean rural conservative welfare queens who collectively eat up more taxes than they pay in?

Look. I have no problem with subsidizing you people with my taxes because I’m a decent human being. My problem is that you are like a deranged shelter animal trying to burn down the shelter feeding you.

>>17815106
Keep it coming Billy Bob

>>17815108
Niggers were stuck in the US. Nobody wanted to even acknowledge their existence when the country was formed. It would take strong northern industrialist efforts to negotiate the deportations of all the niggers in the US. But they didn't want that because niggers filled their factories with cheap commodities and freeing and deporting them would cost money

So instead they pushed for civil war for 60 years and then destroyed them

>>17815104
American Conservatives are much like the rent seeking aristocracy of the late Qing Dynasty. They lived in a new world they were totally unprepared for and confused by. Instead of taking the initiative to uplift themselves with new customs and learning and technology they plugged their ears and screeched that China still needed them. And got fucked by a world that refused to slow down for them or acknowledge their ancient overlord status.

>>17815114
>Uh it's forced scarcity
>The government which is corrupt and is forcing the scarcity should stop that
>Maybe they should stop sponsoring the importation of 80 IQ third world murderers?
>No they just need more taxes from white people
I think I speak on behalf of all white people and say that we'll pass

>>17815139
>Uh it's forced scarcity

Yes. Zoning laws are bad and Construction constraints are bad. Glad we agree.

>The government which is corrupt and is forcing the scarcity should stop that

This is literal 3rd world logic. “The government is 100% corrupt except whoever I like. Fuck everything.”.

No. It’s your NIMBYism that creates housing shortages.

>Maybe they should stop sponsoring the importation of 80 IQ third world murderers?

And here we go, the immigration problem falls to the wayside as the fascist again admits his beef ain’t about legal or illegal residency. You want to persecute all non-white people and fuck any liberal who tries to stop you. Liberty and Justice for me, not for thee.

>No they just need more taxes from white people

Your inbred hillbilly asses don’t pay any taxes. Without the cities you would literally have the same GDP as Afghanistan or South Sudan. We subsidize your entire existence despite how ungrateful you are.

>I think I speak on behalf of all white people and say that we'll pass

Your trailer park doesn’t count

>>17815148
Yes I'm sure it's the zoning and not the 1 million baked beans and arabs you having renting all the apartments with government welfare

>>17815149
Good thing the empirical data is on the side of liberalism and sanity.

More housing. Cheaper rent. Not complicated.

You are a Nazi and your only goal is maximizing harm to everyone

>>17815151
You mean if you stop importing losers wages will go up and housing and food will get cheaper?

>>17815152
Can you read? Or was English class too commusexual for you?

>>17815155
>spend trillions supplying more houses
>house prices go down
or
>stop importing thirdies that rent apartments with welfare
>housing prices go down
>free

this is why socialism fails

>>17815156
Why the fuck would we use taxpayer dollars to build new housing? Just relax the damn laws and let the construction companies do what they do best.

And why the fuck are you talking about socialism out of nowhere?

Words mean things

>>17815129
>Niggers were stuck in the US.
They weren't even legally considered people in Jackson's time. Anyone with the stones easily could have either send them elsewhere legally or decide to integrate them and abolish slavery but it was fire-eater retards vested interests like Calhoun that wanted them to stay as illiterate slaves because they liked the free labor and ancient Rome/medieval landlord larp.
>they didn't want that because niggers filled their factories with cheap commodities
This is a myth, because
1. the U.S easily could have gotten cheaper cotton from Egypt or Central Asia at that time, and
2. if anything even just making Black Americans and Poor Whites work as tenant farmers on equal footing would've been more financially viable.

>>17815162
So the only incentive these people would have to build these places is hoping some hand wringing jew buys them so that he can hike the rent prices up to maximum and suck up all the government welfare into his retirement accounts?

And you think that's a good system

>>17815164
The US had heavy tariffs on the british empire and could not get their cotton cheaply from india

>>17815165
>So the only incentive these people would have to build these places is hoping some hand wringing jew buys them so that he can hike the rent prices up to maximum and suck up all the government welfare into his retirement accounts?

Are you fucking retarded? A construction company wants money for building new housing. Real estate investors know that new housing can be rented out at higher rates than older housing can, with fewer repairs needed and lower maintenance costs. Not to mention resale value is higher and banks are more eager to lend to someone buying a new property than an old property. The investor enjoys competitive advantage over his fellow landlords with older buildings. And he can maximize depreciation for tax purposes.

Life is only a conspiracy if you don’t know how anything works.

>>17815168
>The US had heavy tariffs on the british empire
Again, just getting rid of slavery and having cotton be farmed by tenant farmers was far more financially viable than having this elaborate and dated slave system, especially after the cotton gin was invented.

>>17815169
Keep in mind if mass illegal immigration and forced scarcity caused by illegal immigration wasn't a thing in major cities predator landlords would be less common

>>17815175
Nah slavery was super profitable for cash crops like cotton which needed to be hand picked. Why do you think england took over india

>>17815178
>Why do you think england took over india
Because it's inhabited by Jeets and in the middle of the map

>>17815180
because they were retarded and had a high capacity for output

>>17815176
Keep in mind if immigration and naturalization laws weren’t so absolutely Byzantine then undocumented immigration would be less common and we wouldn’t be wasting vastly more money on a massive paramilitary apparatus tormenting people.

That aside, housing scarcity is a SUPPLY issue, not a demand issue. By your own logic cities should force out all migrants from rural areas and the suburbs and their progeny.

Predator landlords exist BECAUSE OF SHITTY ZONING AND CONSTRUCTION LAWS THAT GIVE NEW INVESTORS ARTIFICIALLY HIGHER BARRIERS TO ENTRY.

>>17815184
we waste infinitely more money keeping them here on welfare and eating everybody's food

but I agree we should strap them to elon's rockets

>>17815181
Apart from agriculture, geography was the main reason Britain had an interest in India given they controlled all acccess to Asia by sea. It also gave them a ton of manpower to throw around while the frontier and Kashmir gave them a foothold in Central Asia to use against Russia and China. Combine that with the fact it was inhabited by a group of esoteric morons incapable of mounting effective resistance, it was the perfect place to colonize.

>>17815187
yeah that's what I said

>>17815189
I'm just trying to say that the way British governed India was completely different and incomparable to the way the Plantation class governed the South, and that the British had far more financial and political incentive to do what they did there than the Plantation class did.

>>17815185
You stupid inbred trailer trash fucks are the ones subsisting on welfare that we city dwellers give you out of the goodness of our hearts. And you spit in our faces for it.

The children of immigrants both documented and undocumented have superior academic, professional, and judicial outcomes than native-born Americans.

You are scum. I pity you, but you are scum.

>>17815192
not really the point now is it, they're all niggers, everywhere industry goes are just the next niggers. Spics? they're niggers, they pick strawberries and apples like the slaves picked cotton

>>17815196
True, though I'd say the current model owes a lot more to Ellis Island than it does to slavery.

>>17815195
>white people pay into social security their entire lives
>they go into retirement in the boonies
>still only covers like 40% of their bills
>FUCKING BOOMERS GIVE ME YOUR MONEY REEEEEE

it's there for the taking, go kick down some vet's door on oxygen and take his wheelchair

>>17815195
yeah how dare the people that paid into social security their entire lives get the money back, fucking boomers and their, oxygen tanks and... wheelchairs

>>17815207
>>17815211
my post didn't go through so I made another one

>>17815206
ellis island is a meme, it was started because so many illegals were pouring into new york that the federal government stepped in and was like "at least pretend you care and set up an actual place to check the people"

>>17815222
>ellis island is a meme
Exactly, it's the image and poster for immigration at that time.

>>17815225
And then you had the papists telling all the catholics to turn their ships around it was all a lie, lol

>>17815078
When you're a large country with an extensive, remote land border and many people on visas it's no longer a matter of "not letting them in". People enter legally and overstay their visas or enter through remote crossings. This isn't an island or city state.

>>17814802 (OP)
You could say the same thing for every period after the "enlightenment"

>>17815234
And they should be punished to the fullest extent of the law, deported aand blacklisted from entering the coutnry again. If they're found in the system living in the US later they should have their shit locked out and they should be hurled into the nearest paddy wagon to take a ride on elon's rocket strapped to the side

>>17815207
>>17815211
>>17815215
Fucking retard.

That’s not how SS works

>>17815262
>he thinks the socialist infographs he's reading about the evil boomers collecting welfare isn't actually the social security they already paid for

>>17815264
What the fuck are you on about? I’m not talking about SS. I’m talking about the massive welfare spending and subsidies for rural and exurban areas because they are completely and utterly dependent on it from the cities.

>>17815278
Oh I thought you were just prattling off the leftist talking points.

Outside of going to cities for work cities don't actually offer all that much to suburbs. Suburbs are literally just the city's workforce being pushed out of the city by immigrants

>>17815240
Take your meds, commie

>>17815286
Because you’re a retarded fascist who can’t think of anything but literal Communism and Nazism.

Rural areas and the outer suburbs are literally dependent on welfare from cities.

>>17815331
The cities white people built where white people work but can't live because brown people live in all the apartments and homes

>>17815336
The cities immigrants built and continue to develop despite the best efforts of rural inbreds and exurban bums to destroy everything.

You’re welcome for the welfare by the way, Cletus.

>>17815347
>immigrants built the cities
which immigrants? certainly not the ones you're thinking of. The ones still working in the 1920's and 40's weren't the wops

>>17814837
The earliest suburbs in American cities had streetcars and whose streets were part of a grid pattern. Now compare that to modern suburbs where it's like a fucking maze and it's nothing but shitty sprawl.

>>17815360
maybe stop importing people before the cities can build houses?

>>17815347
Cities were built by immigrants and destroyed by blacks. Even Latinos and jeets move to the suburbs as soon as they get money.

t. suburban Latino chad

>>17815102
You are right, they should all be living in one single 100+floor skyscraper with brutalist architecture held up by plastic. Now that's soul!

>>17815413
>blacks are bad because they can't get a loan
you're not special, you're just another invader

>>17815413
Cope. African and Afro-Caribbean immigrants still make more money than you and out score you in academia, Malinche.

>>17815362
What makes you think I like mass immigration? I don't.

>>17815102
He's not american, he's a SEAmonkey turd worlder.