jew killing aside werent they kind of good? seems like they were the only government in modern times who actually attempted to improve their citizens lives, loans you could pay off by having children, huge leisure organization for workers, youth clubs, equal rations for the poor and rich, large fundraisers for the poor, why arent any modern governments this kind to their citizens?

Objectively speaking, Nazi Germany and Apartheid South Africa had the greatest social networks the world has ever and probably will see.

Anyway, it is not the responsability of a government, an entity that, by definition, is not supposed to engage in profit or create wealth, to take care of its citizens like a nanny. Instead, it should get out of their lives as much as it can so that they can create real wealth and prosperity by themselves.

>>17816107 (OP)
>jew killing aside werent they kind of good?
I'd like to have my freedom to publicly insult Hitler, his mother, wife and colleagues without being arrested or losing my job or house or use of legs, thank you very much.

>>17816121
Freedom is an illusion, if you think modern western democracies are free thats simply because you haven’t said what they don’t want you to say

>wage wars of aggression against neighboring countries
>conscript people into the army or make them work long hours in the war industry (the other great powers did similarly, in fairness, but who started the fucking war?)
>ban strikes and arrest labor organizers
no, they still sucked

>>17816129
Heavy regulation welfare state
There is no time to respond to organizations working for internationak bourgeoise to maim the national industry whose respurces will be used to produce welfare
The internal market benefits from a constant expansion
Which at the same time is at a heavy economic regulation, hyper regulated markets such as the ones Europe has now.
The money was directed at mantaining certain types of lifestyle approved by the government

>>17816107 (OP)
You should understand a few things first. Jews already ruled all of Europe, Germans were simply the only Aryans that were intelligent and cultured enough to put up organized resistance and make the last stand of Western Civilization. Second, the holocaust is utterly fake atrocity propaganda backed by no evidence whatsoever, it is purely a mechanism to justify Jewish rule. Here are a few primary sources to help you understand National Socialism:

Hitler on democracy and capitalism:
https://argentbeacon.com/films/alerta-judiada/adolf-hitler-the-man-who-fought-the-bank/
Goebbels on Jews:
https://argentbeacon.com/films/alerta-judiada/the-jewish-problem-dr-goebbels/
Hitler on Palestine:
https://files.catbox.moe/oswmzk.mp4
Hitler on why they hate Germany:
https://files.catbox.moe/kzc2z0.mp4
Hitler on art and culture:
https://files.catbox.moe/4lbitt.mp4
Hitler on race:
https://files.catbox.moe/czva93.mp4
Hitler on the meaning of Europe:
https://files.catbox.moe/ud7q94.mp4
Hitler's war for all mankind:
https://gofile.io/d/GCqq3s

>>17816585
Why did they ransom a Rothschild? Seems scummy to let one go for gobs of money

>>17816699
When you form your own National Socialist state you could create a policy of imprisoning every Jew forever, but this was not German policy, they worked to move every Jew out of German territory as fast as possible.

>>17816585
>Germans were simply the only Aryans that were intelligent and cultured enough to put up organized resistance and make the last stand of Western Civilization
>Second, the holocaust is utterly fake
Fuck off revisionist. You hate the jews and they're supposedly behind central banking and the rapid Ethno-Cultural degradation of Europe and North America, and yet you still deny the holocaust. Fuck you. /pol/tards and Nazis would be more internally consistent if they accepted the holocaust in their hearts as an event that prevented the further degradation of Europe and North America but instead they will claim that the holocaust never even happend to begin with.

I don't know anything about their politics I just like them 'cause they were gassing Jews

>>17816107 (OP)

Nazi government lasted basically 10 years, they run of out of money to borrow and then started ramping up war propaganda constantly. In one interview I saw from a German growing up in the third reich, he said that dven when the children went to vacation, which admittedly was a first, they drilled in their heads that in the future Germany would be at war and they would fight. Also you weren't part of any that free time social life if you weren't part of the Hitler Youth. It was a cynical trick to swindle the populace into blind patriotism and a crusade against communism (a system which also tried to uplift the lives of its citizens).

>>17816129
>>wage wars of aggression against neighboring countries
So? Everybody did that.
>>conscript people into the army or make them work long hours in the war industry (the other great powers did similarly, in fairness, but who started the fucking war?)
So?
>>ban strikes and arrest labor organizers
Fucking based, fuck you commie scumbag.

>>17816107 (OP)
they werent
next thread

>>17816127
I said nigger on X and nothing happened.

>>17817117
>Everybody did that
Not an excuse. War of pure conquest is still seen as a bad thing.

>>17816127
you're retarded. there are people on this site who spent decades whining about the illuminati/cia/jews/deep state and yet they have never been hunted down and executed for any of it. And no, this site isn't anonymous in case you're retarded enough to have ever believed it is.

>>17816107 (OP)
The only good thing about them is their fierce hatred of communism. They actually had the guts to go to war with the USSR. The same thing can’t be said about the supposedly anti-communist US, which still allows and doesn’t punish Marxism within their own country.

>>17816107 (OP)
>seems like they were the only government in modern times who actually attempted to improve their citizens lives

Pretty dumb thing to say
Social Democrats in Sweden for example lifted the country out of the traditional extreme proverty into a welfare state in the early 20th century.

>>17817111
Communism was a system created and expanded with the sole purpose of expand the political agency of a jewish mafia occupying the institutions pertaining to the intelligentsia class into a massive surveillance state lmao.
Nazi germany was heaven (and directed towards the actual integrity and fullfilment of its people) unlike putrefact liberalism let alone judeo bolshevism

>>17817209
>Not an excuse. War of pure conquest is still seen as a bad thing.
Conquering your own national territories that the british empire (a colonial empire that invaded 25% of the world and had an history of starving he irish, their very neighbours) gave to their collaborators to disenfranchise and ethnically cleanse germans is not so much an agression as it is a response

Britain was using imperial policy (because britain was a colonial empire) in Germany.
Pretending it was a fair or equal grounded relation is a delusional ad hoc narrative.

>>17816121
Why is insulting your national leader so important?
It strikes me as anti-social and dysgenic.

>>17816699
as opposed to what? murdering him? Not in the Aryan character.

>>17817111
You dont need real money to run an economy, America runs on fiat.
Germany ran on productive solvency which is a much stronger monetary backing to currency.
Nazi Germany unironically had the ideal economic system because it was centered around material productivity, it is what Socialism was or rather should have been if not for losing its way with jewish communism.

>>17816107 (OP)
Well, they started a war which led to millions of their own population dead, their cities bombed out and infrastructure crumbled, and divided between superpowers for generations. So not good, I'd say.

>>17817585
But they didnt start the war.

>>17817276
They don't hunt down people who aren't threats to them, what makes this so hard to understand? The average person you're talking about has no name and in turn no power, if they had leaders they would be hunted down

>>17816107 (OP)
I unironically want a party that has the economics and socially right wing beliefs of the nazis without calling them fascist

>>17817691
when I said this in /pol/ they called me a jew for some reason

>>17816107 (OP)
>jew killing aside werent they kind of good?
Best thing about them.

I read a very interesting primary source account of life in Nazi Germany called "Education for Death: the Making of the Nazi" by Gregor Ziemer. He was the headmaster of the American school in Berlin, and when that closed in 1939 he obtained permission from the German minister of culture to extensively tour the country's education system. The book is basically his travel log of Germany's education system and social programs circa 1939.

There's a lot in there about daily minutiae of culture and education that were quite fascinating and disturbing

Just a few examples
>spends a day with a social worker who travels to the homes of parents with young children. She interviews the kids to make sure they're being turned into good little nazis, one parent is threatened with having her children taken away when the kid says he doesn't want to be a soldier
>the education system has been radically restructured, boys and girls are taught separately and its drilled into them that for boys the only acceptable path in life is to be a soldier, and for girls the only acceptable path is to be the mother of soldiers. Girls end school at 14.
>talks at length about how unmarried women are being encouraged to get pregnant by random men so they can then give their children up to state orphanages, they can spend their pregnancy at a rural resort where they have minimal responsibilities
>visits a hospital where women with a history of birth defects are being sterilized on an assembly line, meets with a doctor administrator who tells him thousands are being done every single day
>sits in on a graduation ceremony for a bunch of 15 year old boys who are being promoted from the youth league into the hitler youth, an SS officer gives a speech where he says it is likely most of them will not live to see their 21st birthday, but what greater honor can there be than dying for the fatherland. All of the boys are deeply moved by this.
And much more, its a very interesting book.

>>17817296
they hated the communists so much that they gave them all of eastern europe and allied with them for years?

>>17817562
>Why is insulting your national leader so important?
because it is my right, and my rights are more important than the national leader's fragile ego

>>17818228
>allied with them for years
That was just to keep the Soviets off guard. The Soviets didn’t suspect an invasion would come because of this “alliance.”
>gave them all of Eastern Europe
That wasn’t Germany’s intention, it was the last thing they wanted. The Soviets were going to invade eventually anyway.

>>17818258
Yeah clearly that master plan worked out great. Giving the soviets huge amounts of resources for years only to stab them in the back. Hitler's genius alone allowed germany to go to war with 3 superpowers at once and come out on top. Oh wait.

>>17818281
I never said their strategy was fool-proof. All I’m saying is their anti-communism was something no one can doubt.

>>17816107 (OP)
>jew killing aside werent they kind of good
The only good thing the NSDAP ever did was killing Jews

>>17817562
>Why is insulting your national leader so important?
>it strikes me as anti-social and dysgenic
You may be right that insulting government leaders is anti-social behavior, but in a country with laws against insulting government leaders and institutions they can and are abused to silence legitimate criticism of government policy or the exposing of corrupt practices by the government that are undertaken by loyal citizens who only want their country to succeed and treat its citizens fairly. When these laws get used as a cudgel by party members to avoid embarrassment or to avoid their crimes being exposed people will be too scared to speak out about critical mistakes the government is making. That's why it's so important to take an absolutist approach like in America, where you have every right to be rude to your elected officials in a public forum.

>>17817562
The freedom to do something is not the same concept as doing something.

>>17817026
I know that killing Jews is extremely popular on the internet right now, but I'm too honest to lie about the holocaust just to make Nazis more popular. The fact is that there really isn't any legitimate historical evidence for the holocaust, all we have are the personal testimonies from interested parties and confessions extracted through torture. Real historical evidence would require physical and documentary proof which is totally lacking, the holocaust is at best an insane Jewish conspiracy theory spread by mass-psychosis and at worst a coordinated lie by the Jewish community no different than the 40 beheaded oven babies of the Gaza war.

Here is a good interview with Germar Rudolf, one of the leading historians on the topic:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germar_Rudolf
https://files.catbox.moe/j792a8.mp3

>>17818232
>muh rights
you are a fat piece of human garbage beneath contempt.
your "rights" only exist because of national leaders who against their better judgement do not throw you into prison for life or murder you outright for being at the tard end of the bell curve.
>>17818336
>words words words
That is a lot of cope.

ALL governments wield power and zero governments have real checks on power.
being "allowed" to criticize a leader is an illusion, it is only forbidden if doing so creates a problem.
It is not some watchword that needs to be protected.

>but what if the gubmint abuses me
They can do this regardless of whether or not youre "allowed" to criticize the party.
>>17818844
see above The freedom to do something only exists because of the power structures which guarantee it, they can revoke it for any reason as is their right.
Furthermore, the idea you are espousing is responsibility, which is retarded because as we know, very irresponsible people are often in a nation.
I personally dont think animals should have rights, or foreign agents, or children, or women, or people who want an abstract idea of freedom at the expense of actual freedom.

We judge a tree by its fruits. the "freedom to do doesnt mean ill actually do it" crowd has produced totalitarian shitholes that self extinguished.
We should never ever fall for the delusion of "Suffrage" the most refined form of slavery ever again.

>>17816107 (OP)
They were a huge improvement from the Weimar era, but still bad and ran out of money by 1942

>>17816107 (OP)
>they were the only government in modern times who actually attempted to improve their citizens lives

By dismantling democracy and stripping every German citizen of the right to have a say in their own countries affairs? By starting a war under fallacious circumstances the led to the death of 1 in 8 Germans? By continuing said war long after any realistic hope for victory had evaporated to the point of sending literal school children to be cut down by Soviet and American tanks? By soiling the honor of the German people so badly that a thousand years will pass and they'll still be taking shit for it?

>>17816107 (OP)
>they were the only government in modern times who actually attempted to improve their citizens lives

By dismantling democracy and stripping every German citizen of the right to have a say in their own country's affairs? By murdering hundreds of thousands of German citizens, not even for wrongthink or because they were Jews, but because they had the misfortune of being born blind, deaf, or dumb? By starting a war under fallacious circumstances the led to the death of 1 in 8 Germans and the traumatization and impoverishment of the entire German people? By continuing said war long after any realistic hope for victory had evaporated to the point of sending literal school children to be cut down by Soviet and American tanks? By soiling the honor of the German people so badly that a thousand years will pass and they'll still be taking shit for it?

>>17821015
>By dismantling democracy and stripping every German citizen of the right to have a say in their own country's affairs?
This is nonsense, we don't have democracy and never did. We live in oligarchic plutocracies ruled by Jewish financiers, and all politicians are powerless low-IQ tv celebrities tasked with selling ZOG to the goyim. The consensus of "our democracy" is always more White genocide, more deregulation of finance and total unconditional support for the the sick parasitic terror state of Israel. The only real democracy is collective racial democracy which fights for the interests of the racial whole.
>By murdering hundreds of thousands of German citizens, not even for wrongthink or because they were Jews, but because they had the misfortune of being born blind, deaf, or dumb?
I've never heard of blind or deaf people being euthanized, and nobody except insane Christian fanatics are against the euthanization of the severely mentally retarded, especially in wartime when resources are scarce.
>By starting a war under fallacious circumstances the led to the death of 1 in 8 Germans and the traumatization and impoverishment of the entire German people?
To be fair, Jews have carried out the same program of traumatization, impoverishment and extermination against all of the goyim; French, English and Americans arguably have it worse than Germans. What we can't take away from the Germans is that they were the only major tribe of Aryans to offer serious organized resistance to their extermination.
>By soiling the honor of the German people so badly that a thousand years will pass and they'll still be taking shit for it?
The global reputation of Germans is unironically far better than that of Jews, despite almost a century of ubiquitous anti-German atrocity propaganda.

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