The Diary of a Young Girl is a jewish forgery.

>>17816422 (OP)
>Ballpoint pens not available until 1951
>Diary of a Young Girl first published in 1947
What did they mean by this?

They freely admit otto frank completely wrote the diary as an "editor" anon, you don't have to do this ballpoint pen shit

>>17816422 (OP)
https://web.archive.org/web/20130821061804/http://www.annefrank.ch/origin.html?file=tl_files/content/impressionen/Bundeskriminalamt_anne_frank_tagebuecher.pdf

Auf den Originalen der Tagebuchblätter vorgefundene Zusatzaufschriften, sog. Kor-
rekturschriften, wurden dagegen dem Gutachten zufolge mit einer Kugelschreiberpaste
aufgebracht, die erst ab 1951 gebräuchlich war. Offenbar handelt es sich dabei um
nachträglich vorgenommene redaktionelle Anmerkungen bzw. Korrekturen eines weite-
ren Bearbeiters.

tl;dr: Editors of the materials, who work with manuscripts every day, couldn't help their habits and left notes in the margins of the original.

>>17816478
https://www.spiegel.de/politik/blaue-paste-a-38ec327f-0002-0001-0000-000014317313

The article contains some information on the editorial work of Otto and others and the explanations for known revisions between published versions. The ball pen legend is about comments in the margins left by such editorial work.

If the holocaust didn't happen why do denialist repeat the same debunked nonsense over and over?

>>17816531
Because the kikes want to maintain their eternal special victim card for as long as possible.

If the holohoax did happen why do you go to prison in most western countries for denying it?

>>17816531
Because it's funny to point out how flimsy the hoax is

>>17816478
Where do they freely admit thus my good retard?

>>17816472
No, seriously, what did they mean by this?

>>17816615
Google it drop out dysgenic. The copy that people are sold is the completely rewritten version by Otto frank. They say this is fine because he only edited personal things out of the diary

>>17816671
Why can't you just tell me?

>>17816677
Why did you drop out of school? Do you have bad genetics?

>>17816683
You surely know where they admit Otto completely wrote the diary? You wouldn't make such a bold statement without proof, surely?

>>17816685
Yeah it's called Google you dysgenic freak

The Holocaust of 1943, also known as The First Holocaust, or the Lesser Holocaust was real. However it pales in comparison to the Holocaust thats happening in Gaza. Never again is now. Lets stop wallowing about the past when we can help the present.

>>17816687
Why would I need to Google when you already know and can just tell me?

>>17816694
I did just tell you you illiterate retard

>>17816703
/pol/tranny is already having a melty

>>17816687
i googled it, zero results

>>17816707
Why are you actually mentally retarded? What is wrong with you? Do you think you being retarded is a conspiracy against you?

>>17816711
First result in Google you actual ape
>He compiled and edited the diary from Anne's writings, including her original diary entries and her rewritten versions. He also added some of her short stories and corrected language errors.

Otto Frank's role extended beyond mere compilation:
He merged Anne's diary entries, her rewritten versions, and some short stories into a single narrative.
Copyright issues:
In 2015, the Anne Frank Fonds announced that Otto Frank, as the editor, was also a co-author, which allowed them to extend the copyright.
>Co-author

Aren't you people ashamed of your dishonesty? Serious question. You post the same debunked stuff every day. By this point you have to know that you post lies.

>>17816712
Meltymelty.

>>17816718
Did the retarded faggot not have a daddy in his life

>>17816422 (OP)
>Meyer Levin
>After the war, Levin wrote, with the approval of the Frank family, a play which was based on The Diary of Anne Frank, but his play was not produced. Instead, another version of the same story which was dramatized by Frances Goodrich and Albert Hackett reached Broadway. Levin sued for plagiarism.[4]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meyer_Levin

>>17816715
>as the editor
Illiterate tranny.

>>17816725
What's the matter tranny, little red pills getting to your brain?

>>17816731
>Completely rewrote her diary from scratch
>Why is there ballpoint pen
>Admits to removing things he didn't like
>Listed as the co-author
Dumb communist nigger can't read

>>17816735
There's ballpoint pen?

>>17816741
You're a communist?

>>17816744
Is there ballpoint pen?

>>17816735
>Completely rewrote her diary from scratch
He got the original and used it to compose a version fit for publication. That's editing.
Then future editors changed specific elements to get it ready for their specific markets. Like the early german versions remove the anti-german comments.

>>17816748
What's the purpose of "raiding" a history board to spread your communist beliefs if you're not even basically educated about history

>>17816755
Tell us about this ballpoint pen and how it relates to Anne Frank's diary.

>>17816758
Tell me about how you're a communist spammer that just repeats himself on loop when he's proven to be retarded

>>17816735
You realize that since then a complete version of her diary has been published? Him being co-author (which is purely a legal fiction) only applies to the 1947 version.

>>17816761
Why don't you want to talk about Anne Frank's ballpoint pen?

>>17816762
Oh yes the complete totally not edited version of the random assortment of scribblings his daughter did.

>>17816764
Yes. It's a big book with all versions of her diary and additional texts.

>The only complete collection of writings by Anne Frank, this impressive volume contains three of the extant versions of her Diary (including pages that came to light in 1998), Tales from the Secret Annex (he lesser known short stories, fables, and personal reminiscences), and Cady’s Life (her unfinished novel), along with the latest, most definitive scholarly research into Frank’s life.
864 pages.

>>17816764
You're crying when it's edited. You're also crying when it's not edited. Are you OK?

>>17816781
So Otto frank did literally rewrite the entire diary, edit it, remove parts he didn't like and then named himself the co author?

>>17816786
No.

>>17816422 (OP)
>google when ballpoint pens were invented
>first result says it's decades before 1951
either you people are idiots or you think your target audience is

>>17816790
Yes. He did. She did not write what is sold in stores. He did

>>17816792
Citation needed.

>>17816796
He is literally listed as the co author

Kek, so every book editor is now a co-author? Every editor of old compilations is a co-author?

>>17816799
>Admits to changing events in her diary because he doesn't like them
>Please believe I didn't change anything else
Nah

>>17816798
Where?

>>17816801
>admits to changing events in her diary
Where?

>>17816730
>Kikepedia

>>17816801
What events did he change?

>>17816803
>I don't know basic facts about this historical event
>But I'm going to act in an antagonistic manner
Okay

>>17816791
>1888: John J. Loud patents a ballpoint pen for marking leather, but it's not suitable for writing on paper.
>1931: László and György Bíró present their ballpoint pen design at a trade fair in Budapest.
>1938: László Bíró patents his ballpoint pen in Britain.
>1943: The Bíró brothers obtain a US patent for their ballpoint pen.
>1945: The first commercially successful ballpoint pen, the Reynolds Rocket, is sold in the US.
>1950: The BIC ballpoint pen is introduced to the American market, marking a significant moment for the mass adoption of the pen.
Lying kike

>>17816806
I asked a simple question. Answer it. Prove me wrong.

>>17816809
Yes you are lacking complete knowledge of the topic of this thread, it's not my responsibility to educate you

Regular reminder that editing diaries before publication to remove entries about sex and other people who are still alive is absolutely standard. See also "Chips" Channon whose diary is a fairly standard day by day account of political activity when first published, but is filled to the brim with gossip and acandal and him openly describing all his friends sexual escapades including his own homosexual affairs that only appeared in a new edition 60 years later.

>>17816813
Then why do communists have mental breakdowns claiming the diary wasn't edited even a little bit

>>17816808
If the ballpoint pen wasn't available on the mass market until 1950, how could Diary of a Young Girl be written in ballpoint pen when it was already published in 1947?

>>17816814
Who is having a mental breakdown here except you?
>he will respond with more unwarranted agression

>>17816817
You mean besides the communist spamming and derailing the thread screeching the diary wasn't edited?

>>17816791
The ballpoint pen wasn't used by people until 1951. Private patents that didn't go public don't count. Anne Frank couldn't have had a ballpoint pen and neither did the jew who forged her diary for shekels.

>>17816819
So you're now claiming that the diary WASN'T written in ballpoint pen?

>>17816818
Highlight the posts saying the diary wasn't edited.

>>17816820
Until 1951, obtuse retard.

>>17816814
Literally no one says this. That doesn't make him a co-author. He didn't add anything.
The original meme lies about the diary being written with ballpoint pen. Then it lies about BKA statement, then about Meyer Levin.

>>17816822
If the diary was written before and published in 1947, how could it have been written in a pen that was only available from 1951?

>>17816821
The guy spamming about ballpoint pens is a communist that posts here and when he gets mindbroken he just starts repeating himself for 300 posts. This was after he denied any sort of editing was done at all despite Otto frank literally being the editor of the diary. Mods have never done anything about him.

>>17816819
>In Britain, the Miles-(Harry) Martin pen company was producing the first commercially successful ballpoint pens there by the end of 1945.
>[1] https://www.thoughtco.com/ballpoint-pens-laszlo-biro-4078959
>[26] http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1976/1976%20-%201669.html
>[27] http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1976/1976%20-%201669.html

you will never a white ethnostate, cope

>>17816827
Highlight the posts that say the diary wasn't edited anon.

>>17816826
Jewish forgery by Otto Frank edited with more jewish forgery by Mark Levin. That's how.

>>17816832
Yeah that guy spamming about ballpoint pens? That's a communist that's posting in the thread claiming there were no edits

>>17816827
Otto Frank edited it into a readable form. There were two versions of the diary, rewritten by Anne herself. What you say now? He should publish both, otherwise it's not authentic?

>>17816831
>In Britain
>by the end of 1945
That kikess Anne Frank died in March 1945, and she never lived in Britain.

>>17816837
The main point is that Otto frank admitted to taking things out of the diary. That means that it's possible he put things in the diary too. You say an unedited version was released, well if I made a forgery the first thing I would do would edit the "unedited" version to match the official release.

Not to say this is what happened. But it does take Anne Frank's diary from actual primary contemporary observation into a possibly biased piece of propaganda

>>17816836
Why don't you want to talk about Anne Franks ballpoint pen when it proves she never existed?

Ah yes, another denier wisdom. Every editor is now a co-author and every book that doesn't include every single thing written by an author is in fact not authentic, maybe a forgery.

Getting better and better.

>>17816845
Yes, jew cannot be trusted on literally anything because they're liars.

>>17816843
It's not possible because the diary had been examined and it's all in her handwriting.

So now we're entering into a schizo territory. Otto Frank was apparently a master forger that perfectly copied his daughter's handwriting (because her diary was compared to other stuff she wrote like letters). Or maybe she never existed? Every single piece of her writing was in fact forged.

>>17816851
>it takes a genius mastermind to fake a 10 year old's diary
https://youtu.be/0tdyU_gW6WE
okay I'm done with you

>>17816854
If they faked the whole thing, why did they write a passage about writing the diary in fountain pen, in ballpoint pen? Were they stupid?

>>17816856
>the pens
shut the fuck up commie

>>17816858
>starts a thread about how pens prove that Anne Frank and therefore the entire holocaust are fake
>suddenly doesn't want to talk about pens

>>17816860
>commie thinks I make threads

>>17816861
>ballpoint pens have nothing to do with Anne Frank confirmed

I especially like how OPs picture has a photo of the actual diary, clearly showing that it's written in fountain pen.

>>17816866
>"the pens!"
>screeches the communist
>It's impossible to edit a 10 yer old's diary!
>"wasn't otto frank literally the editor?"
>"the pens!"
lmao

>>17816871
/pol/tranny melty reaches the hysteria stage

Go back to bunkerchan or whatever festering faggot butthole website you crawled out of

>>17816876
>Trannymelty.

>>17816880

>>17816885

>>17816792
There is a huge difference between editing a body of work never intended to be published into a published form, and rewriting.
>>17816550
Because most western countries criminalize multiple forms of hate speech in hopes of protecting minorities. This is a mistake because people like you think it makes you victimized seekers of truth rather than the spreaders of a harmful hoax, and makes gullible people sympathize with you and believe you.

>>17816893
>admits he removed parts of the diary, edited and co authored it
how's it unbelievable that he wrote the entire diary himself, or had somebody he knew do it?

The /pol/tranny is beaten and will now spend the rest of the thread screeching, flailing and generally shitting up the place. Well done gentlemen, we won. Again.

>>17816899
You say that every thread you post in though, and you're always losing and spamming

>>17816902
You will never be a woman.

>>17816903
You will never have an argument communist, because your ideology is anti intellectual

>>17816904
You will never be a woman.

>it's broken

>>17816422 (OP)

Paulie Walnuts is a borderline illiterate Wop with a hair-trigger temperate and not meant to be emulated you stupid nigger

>>17816880
>>17816885
>>17816889
Literally just rumors and exaggerations based on earlier reports. No one who actually worked there reported the use of electrical floors. Is this really so hard to imagine that people who weren't gassed didn't know what exactly happened in the gas chambers?

>>17816898
>how's it unbelievable that he wrote the entire diary himself,
OK, saying something is "believable" is a lot different than saying it happened as a fact. Its very hard to prove something definitely never happened, but that is very different from hard proof or even good proof that it did happen.
But most experts do not believe he or someone else wrote the whole thing, so there is that.

>>17816931
That's all fair and good but most experts do not question the validity of the holocaust when there hasn't been any actual investigations into it, so there are cases where experts are as informed as the people they're trying to convince

>>17816937
>but most experts do not question the validity of the holocaust when there hasn't been any actual investigations into it
That's because they are still trying to find out whom of them is your daddy.

>>17816937
the Analysis of documents and writing is totally separate from history or archeology so this is an apples to oranges comparison. That said there have been investigations. WE have mass graves and testimony from both victims and perpetrators. And it wasn't just Jews in those camps. The nazis sent other ethnic and religious minorities, homosexuals, and enemies of the state there too.
And even beyond the purposeful killing, whatever you think happened, people were put into camps where they were forced to work and a lot of them died. That has not been acceptable even during war for a long time before WWII. You can't treat enemy soldiers like that, much less civilians.

>>17816965
not really, because anne frank's diary isn't the only one of it's kind. There's other first hand accounts like Night which we're supposed to take as fact but contains "copious erroneous details". Suddenly when they only sources the public gets about a historical event are these "documents" you run into a huge problem of credibility of fact

>>17816969
They're not the only sources the public gets though, are they now?

>>17816969
Witness testimonies almost always include errors and even lies.People have unreliable memories and are often have personal motivations.
But when you have thousands of them from people on both sides, combined with physical remains it erases a lot of that uncertainty about the big picture.
And again, it is indisputable that people were rounded up, forced to work and a lot of them died. That alone is a crime against humanity.

>>17816974
If you distill the holocaust down to what we do know, it's all testimony. "erroneous" testimony according to the US. Testimony that we know is false because it doesn't match up with other testimony, do you know how proving something works in a court of law? There's no concrete part about the holocaust

>>17816979
It's not. It's deportation of millions of Jews to the East. Millions of Jews that were unfit for work. It's Einsatzgruppen reports. It's German documents about gas vans. It's tons of documentation about crematoria with very high capacity in Auschwitz, gas tight doors, photos showing pits where the bodies were cremated outside of Krema V (because the amount of bodies exceeded capacity of the ovens). There's lots of stuff.

>>17816986
there's not a single document in existence that says 1 million jews were sent anywhere, there is a document that says ~600,000 jews were sent to work in eastern poland which IS the event that sparked the creation of the holocaust myth

>>17816979
>it's all testimony
Lol. LmFUCKINGao. Go home kid. This ground has been trod by better stormFAGGOTS than you.

>>17816965
>That said there have been investigations. WE have mass graves and testimony from both victims and perpetrators.
I thought they said all the bodies (including all of the bones of millions of people) were burned to ash with their magical inexhaustible supply of fuel, and that's why they couldn't find the mass graves correlating to the claims of the amount killed.

>and testimony from both victims and perpetrators.
Yes, there is plenty of testimony recorded. But the parts of the story where they all disagreed about what happened, is what we call "inconsistent testimony." This inconvenient reality is where the official "historians" came in, to try to present a "clean" narrative. The problem is they had to keep changing it over the years. The fact is that the whole official narrative is artificial. If you go to the testimony level, you final instantly there are tons of contradictions, except about the details that actually happened.

>>17816979
>There's no concrete part about the holocaust
The only part of the narrative that is concrete is the part that's not even controversial. But these people try to essentially say through some roundabout way, that because there were camps, that means virtually every claim of what happened in the camps is true. Even when these people are known to have a serious problem with honesty (due to their moral code, if you can call it that) and we find inconsistencies everywhere. Their official "historians" try to clean it up, but they keep changing their story too.

>>17816987
also there's a document that said the nazis sent with the jews 750 tons of flour

>>17816987
Korherr report literally states this:
>Deported to the Russian east:1,449,692 Jews
So what you says is simply wrong. Almost 1.5 million Jews deported and not to Eastern Poland, but to Russian east.

>>17816998
What document and where they sent it?

>>17816997
List 5 of these contradictions.

>>17817003
Maybe you don't understand german as well as you think because it says in that document they were deported into eastern poland (general government) which is where all the work camps were at

>>17816735
"rewrote from scratch" is sure a phrase.

>>17817003
>>17817008
Also this takes a great familiarity in Himmler's lies to Hitler which I don't know enough about to discredit official german documents

>>17817008
Lol, and here I thought you actually argue in good faith.

> Transportierung von Juden aus den Ostprovinzen nach dem russischen Osten
Russischen Osten, yup, that's definitely means Eastern Poland.

>>17817012
For instance the Korherr report like you said says 1.4 million jews were deported through the general government. Now the infrastructure certainly allows for this, since the entire area was mostly just a few east west rail lines. But the other report, which was intercepted by british intelligence from around the same time period says only 1.2 million people total had ever arrived in the general government, and if we know anything about the actual labor camps at least half of the prisoners were not jewish. Then again operation reinhard could have been an entirely jewish deportation operation, but if that's the case why were they sending them into russia, with food? No I don't think this happened and if it did the entire holocaust is bogus nonsense

>>17817024
Point being, we also know Himmler was lying to Hitler about what was going on in the general government, and that document is from himmler

>>17817024
They can't even agree officially how many people were supposedly killed.

>>17817031
Oh yes all the figures outside of these two primary documents are completely made up

>>17817033

>>17817024
>that other document
That other document is Hofle telegram and the number is the same.

>>17817038
So who do you believe, do you believe himmler that he sent all the jews into russia with food?

what did himmler say his greatest crime was again? I can't think of it...

>>17817049
oh right, it was lying to jews and putting them in labor camps

>>17817049
>with food
There's no mention of food anywhere.

>>17817061
Right I'm referencing Warsaw deportations where Hitler personally ordered the shipment of 750 tons of flour into the general government to prevent the starvation of jews

>>17817063
Even if this is true and knowing your track record it's probably not, how is this related? These Jews were deported from the General Government to the Russian East, whatever it means.

>>17817072
As I already pointed out the document you're referencing is from Himmler, and Himmler admitted to pulling the wool over people's eyes as to what he was doing in the general government

you're not ready for this discussion

>>17816814
Most communists are anti Jew so I don’t get why you even bring them up

>>17817087
There's two types, tankies and the pro lenin pro Jewish communists. The pro Jewish communists are the ones that moved into the west and created the new left

>>17817074
So basically here's what happened. As David Irving surmised Hitler had no idea the Holocaust occurred and did not order it. Puzzling, a less intrigued person might call the holocaust debunked. But Himmler was telling Hitler he was deporting all the Jews into Russia. Curious. Himmler also said his greatest crime was lying to jews and putting them in work camps.

So, basically, Himmler wasn't telling Hitler he was taking all the deported jews and putting them into camps rather than deporting them into russia in order to harvest their labor, there you go, that's the holocaust.

This is why Himmler "mysteriously died" in allied custody, because he could have given all the answers for the holocaust and the entire thing would be debunked immediately as he was the only one that actually knew what was going on.

>>17817114
Hitler was utterly grossly incompetent and none of his other officials or generals bothered to tell him about the massive amounts of men and resources being diverted away to Himmlers pet project?

>>17817125
Hitler was already allowing massive amounts of resources into the general government as it was going to be a new german colony

>>17817129
And he had no oversight? Just throwing men and resources into a black hole? No wonder they lost.

>>17817130
Why would Himmler need oversight? he took it into his own hands to increase the Reich's productivity. If they had won he'd probably get a slap on the back from Hitler himself

>>17816997
>I thought they said all the bodies (including all of the bones of millions of people) were burned to ash with their magical inexhaustible supply of fuel,
Who is "they"? If there is a "they", then "they" are wrong, because there are mass graves outside camps. Most of the cremated remains were not fully cremated to ash, but just burnt up, making them easier to dispose of.
>. But the parts of the story where they all disagreed about what happened, i
Again, "they" is super vague. what are these contradictions, and what do they disagree on, numbers? manner of deaths?
>The problem is they had to keep changing it over the years.
This applies to many of not most historical events. Historians are arguing and adjusting the "official narrative" or rather the consensus all the time. Everyone knows the death toll is an estimate, so of course it will change as people make their own, hopefully better, estimates.

> All of Anne Frank’s original diary entries (her first-person writings dated from 1942 to 1944) were written with:
> Fountain pen ink
> Pencil
> Colored ink or other writing materials available at the time

>These materials were consistent with what a young girl in hiding during WWII would have used.
> What Was Written in Ballpoint Pen:
> Two loose pages (described as annotations or editorial notes) were written in ballpoint pen.
>These pages were not written by Anne Frank, and do not contain diary content.

> They appear to have been added by someone else after the war, likely during the compilation or editorial process—possibly by a publisher, archivist, or even Otto Frank himself or his assistants.
> They include:
> A correction sheet
> Some marginal annotations

ridiculous conspiracy theories will be the death of the online far right

>>17817657
>Again, "they" is super vague. what are these contradictions, and what do they disagree on, numbers? manner of deaths?
Among those who have provided an estimate, they disagree widely on the number of deaths that are supposed to have occurred. The issue, however, is that "non-officials" are unfairly demonized even for questioning it.

Very bizarre accounts can be found which claimed that highly unusual ways of killing were employed. But you don't see the same kind of corroboration of these events by other sources, who should have witnessed the same events. The corroboration evaporates when it comes to these details. Among these stories, each person seems to come forward their own story. False witnesses of this type have also been forced to admit to making provably false claims, and they express no remorse for having done so nor are there consequences enacted against them. Perhaps because of confirmation bias, their stories were never really questioned by many listeners. Propaganda was more important than truth. But if these events had happened, you would expect there to be more than one source that corroborates it. There is a veritable galaxy of bizarre claims of German atrocities from this time. I have a collection of such claims.

If you turn from that to look at the "official" narratives, authorities have tried to paint a consistent picture to hold out as official. But they've had to continually revise and re-calibrate the narrative to suit what would be acceptable or believable, or what would pass snuff at any given time. At one point they were legitimizing the claims of "soap made from humans" for example. Later they massively backtracked and began to concede that there is no evidence to suggest these atrocities.

The official "historians" seem to concede now that their predecessors had been wrong about these details, but paradoxically try to assert what remains of their narrative (maybe because it's their job) as being "beyond questioning."

>>17817688
checked
these people have no new ideas, solutions, organization, direction etc
They have no ability to create an idealogy or movement on their own
that's why they sit and look back at the past and worship hitler and nazism.

>>17817723
>Among those who have provided an estimate, they disagree widely on the number of deaths that are supposed to have occurred.
Which I addressed. It is quite common for the estimates for genocides and massacres to vary quite a bit. Rarely are good records kept of these things.
>Very bizarre accounts can be found which claimed that highly unusual ways of killing were employed.
This does not really disprove anything, but even if you did disprove these individual accounts of particular cruelty that would have little impact on the larger narrative. In fact it would be surprising with something as large as the holocaust if no grifter or attention seeker ever attached themselves to it.
> But they've had to continually revise and re-calibrate the narrative to suit what would be acceptable or believable,
Again, I addressed this. Historians are constantly recallibrating. Revising history is basically what professional historians are paid to and aspire to do.
>"beyond questioning."
It is. But I do agree that more effort needs to be put into debunking people like you.

>>17817723
The last number is irrelevant as Jews gassed in Auschwitz weren't added to Auschwitz prisoners.

>>17817114
You make up shit and lie constantly. What is this new nonsense about Himmler lying to Jews? You literally never provide any evidence of the stuff you post and expect us to trust you even if you proved multiple times that you're full of shit.

>>17817958
>It is. But I do agree that more effort needs to be put into debunking people like you.
Well, I'm questioning it so not really. I thought ideas were the object of being debunked, are we debunking people now? That speaks volumes. I'm only concerned about truth, I'm not here to "cancel" anyone or to deplatform them.

>even if you did disprove these individual accounts of particular cruelty that would have little impact on the larger narrative.
I think it does, actually. Some people have biases toward believing certain things. The fact that so many of these stories were sold, in book form and even in some movies, really influences the perception of history itself. If it's false, why shouldn't it be ridiculed out of existence, as with other false narratives? I wouldn't want to see communist propaganda being spread here among people that I know because it too is false. I do not think historical revisionism, for ideological purposes, is just or sound practice. I myself am only interested in establishing what really happened. Any dishonesty or cutting corners with the truth will bite you, in the long run. It always does.

Also, just as there have been hoaxes about events that never really took place, there have been cover-ups of other atrocities. There are real atrocities that really haven't gotten enough attention. Such as, for example, what communism did to millions of people and what it still does today. How it betrays people, even today. And how it tries to gets you to believe that lies will take care of you, or somehow stand against the truth. It never works out for you.

>>17818002
Stop pretending. You don't care about truth. You're an ideologue and you deliberately lie to sway people to your side.
>German war documents contain no mention of killing Jews
Except Einsatzgruppen reports. And Kinna report. And multiple documents about gas vans.
By the way, there are Soviet reports about gassed bodies from Krasnodar.

The use of gas vans in Krasnodar was confirmed by German eyewitnesses.

>>17818002
>, are we debunking people now?
When those people spread bad ideas, yes.
> I'm only concerned about truth,
Many people who have fallen for conspiracy theories do sound like you so its possible. The problem is most conspiracy theories are logistically impossible. Truth is best found by experts who dedicate their lives to building obscure skill sets most of the public lacks. Unfortunately most of the public does not have the education or intelligence to even evaluate the work of experts so we get disconnects. For instance you pointing out "weird" things about historians covering the holocaust which are really just how historians are on most subjects, because history isn't a science. Anyone who regularly reads or studies academic history would know this.
>I think it does, actually
Well it doesn't. Grifters are to be expected to attach themselves to any tragedy of enough size.
>really influences the perception of history itself.
Academics often aren't even aware of nonacademic books being published on their subjects.
>There are real atrocities that really haven't gotten enough attention. Such as, for example, what communism did to millions
People are very aware of the millions killed by communism. Its only controversial among tankies.

>>17816422 (OP)
yes it do be like that

>>17818039
>Truth is best found by experts
People calling themselves "Rabbis" aren't experts.

>>17818166

>>17817976
The "holocaust" was particularly traumatic to jews who were told they were being sent to some jewish farm only to wind up at a concentration camp, have all their money stolen, clothes stripped, forcefully showered, dressed in prison clothes, heads shaved, and then marched into an enclosure until they were sent to some factory.

These are the people himmler said he wronged

>>17818166
Because everyone who disagrees with you is Jewish, right? Do me a favor then and go into a local Church, community center, whatever and try to convince people there the holocaust isn't real and see how many non-jews are ready to stand with you on that one.
Though, random accusations Jewishness are not something I would expect from someone who is "just seeking the truth".

>>17818323
>The "holocaust" was particularly traumatic to jews who were told they were being sent to some jewish farm only to wind up at a concentration camp
That's not what happened. Again, you argue against your own narrative, not against the official one.

>>17818388
>Because everyone who disagrees with you is Jewish, right? Do me a favor then and go into a local Church, community center, whatever and try to convince people there the holocaust isn't real and see how many non-jews are ready to stand with you on that one.
At this point most people don't care. You don't hear it talked about much. The only reason I still have these conversations anyway is because I'm a stickler for staying with the actual facts.
>Though, random accusations Jewishness are not something I would expect from someone who is "just seeking the truth".
You have to take this conversation in the wider context of what is going on in the world today. There's a reason why this stuff was pushed so much and I'm not blind to that fact. I do wish everyone the best, but we have to move past these destructive ideologies. What with the ADL and AIPAC, and law schools promoting corrupt ideology that's totally intellectually bankrupt, it's like the mafia up in here these days. Just like the old mafia of 40 years ago in Italy, this is a destructive ideology. I'm just waiting for our equivalent of the Maxi Trial to happen.

>>17816422 (OP)
Holocaust denial is a 20th century Retard-right relic and we should abandon.

>>17816422 (OP)

The court proceeding wasn't over the authorship of the diary, but some kind of dispute over the rights to an Anne Frank broadway show. Meyer Levin wrote the broadway play of the Journal.
Source: pic related, this newspaper screencap from 1958.

I could also probably debunk the ballpoint pen thing, but the evidence has a paywall, so the Jews lose that point by Jewing themselves.

>>17816472
>>17816826
>>17816620
I like how no one wants to address this. The diary was first published in 47 and if it's true that ballpoint pens weren't available till 51 then clearly it wasn't written in ballpoint pen and the OP image is just wrong

>>17816688
>However it pales in comparison to the Holocaust thats happening in Gaza.
False. Spielberg's USC Shoah Foundation has expanded to record testimony of other genocides and were in Israel working a week after the Oct 7 attacks to record those victims. If they are not doing this for Gazans, surely that proves it is not a genocide.

>>17816813
This reminds me of wikipedia's excuse for coin clipping of "its totally normal, everyone does it".

>>17816804
Shut the fuck up

>>17816422 (OP)
It's not.

>The claim about "portions" of the diary written in ballpoint pen not available until 1951 is of course false and rests on two scraps of papers with notes not made by Anne Frank (which found its way into the diary but do not constitute a part of the diary), as well as, possibly, on a few small postwar editorial corrections in the main text of the diary. The actual text of the diary - what Anne Frank wrote herself during the war - was not written in a ballpoint pen.

https://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2017/05/rebutting-twitter-denial-most-popular.html#annefrank

>>17818464
Are you claiming that it's standard procedure to publish diaries and letter compilations in full, unredacted, with no editing.

>>17816422 (OP)
Are you aware that the BKA has unironically been built and run by ex-ss and gestapo Nazis? just for some context on their believability in this case

>>17818599
The BKA should strongly be in favour of the hoax theory then, no? After all, they were there and know that the only person who died in the camps was uncle Matthias who fell outta watch tower.

>>17818629
And OPs pic, shows they are in favour of the hoax, even though the same pic shows they are liars.

>>17818658
https://web.archive.org/web/20130821061804/http://www.annefrank.ch/origin.html?file=tl_files/content/impressionen/Bundeskriminalamt_anne_frank_tagebuecher.pdf
Fazit:
Im Gutachten des BKA von 1980 wird festgestellt, dass Papier und Schreibmittel,
die für den eigentlichen Text der Tagebücher Verwendung fanden, im relevanten
Zeitraum verfügbar und handelsüblich waren.
Darüber hinausgehende Feststellungen, insbesondere solche zur Autorenschaft der
Tagebücher, wurden in diesem Gutachten nicht getroffen.
Das BKA betont: Das Gutachten des Kriminaltechnischen Instituts von 1980 kann
nicht dafür in Anspruch genommen werden, die Authentizität der Tagebücher der
Anne Frank in Zweifel zu ziehen. Das BKA distanziert sich entschieden von allen
in eine solche Richtung zielenden Spekulationen.

They refute you, literally in their own words, in their own language.

>>17818629
one could assume that,
>>17818716
but it also adds a layer of believability when they conclude the diary is authentic

>>17818716
How does saying that the diary is authentic and made entirely from materials available in wartime Europe refute me dumb fucker.

>>17818754
They say that them authenticating that this assemblage of commercial ink and paper are likely from WW2 can not be used to refute the Holocaust.

Imagine.

>>17818406
Lets be real, I simply pointed out that you seem unfamiliar with the basics of professional academic historical work, and that you need an education to evaluate the work of experts. That is my opinion and I stand by it. The average person isn't even educated enough to understand academic writing unless it is dumbed down for them, let alone challenge said writings. People vastly overestimate their ability to do their own research without expert guidance.
That your only response to my argument was "your a jew" which isn't the case by the way, suggests that dislike of jews is at least part of your motivation for talking about this and challenging the legitimacy of the holocaust.
> You don't hear it talked about much.
True that most people don't care as much anymore. It happened a lifetime ago now, but outright denial is still a pretty fringe position that is more than likely to turn people away. And you are fooling yourself if you think otherwise.

>>17819600
>That your only response to my argument was "your a jew"
Your mistake is that you believe the wrong "experts." They are your god. I don't know who you are, but I know who your gods, the people that you worship, are. You view them as legitimate. Their word is law to you. You couldn't be more misguided, anon. Look at the kind of world these people want to bring. Children being coached and groomed into mutilating themselves, chemically castrating themselves. Mothers killing their own unborn children. That's the kind of world these experts are trying to bring. They are demented and evil.

>but outright denial is still a pretty fringe position that is more than likely to turn people away.
Low key people get it.

>>17819711
I can certainly understand not blindly trusting exerts if you can't follow their thinking. I can understand disagreement and even skepticism in experts. I only brought this up because you showed a lack of familiarity with how history at the expert level is even done. If you understood that much I wouldn't have as much a problem with you forming opinions, but frankly I don"t think you've done the legwork for that.
> Children being coached and groomed into mutilating themselves, chemically castrating themselves. Mothers killing their own unborn children.
Utterly irrelevant to what we are talking about. Medicine has nothing to do with history scholarship.

whyd that nig otto murder my guy Heinz Bock?

>>17819711
>stormfaggots going a single thread without blurting out their obsession with trannies
You got BTFO by not knowing the date a pen was invented. Serious consider the rope.

>>17816755
>communist beliefs
>the holocaust
That's actually a most of the western world belief.

>>17820247
>Utterly irrelevant to what we are talking about.
It is relevant, anon, in the sense that people of your sort obtain your views from the same authorities. Those authorities, in turn, promote each of those narratives. My point is that both of these false and destructive narratives are coming from all the same "kosher" sources of information. This again shows you that they are not reliable, even if they may put on something of a veneer of professionalism in pursuit of what they want. I'm saying you will notice that all of these people promoting either narrative do, without fail, respect and venerate those who call themselves Rabbis within Judaism. That is the corrupted source where these people are getting their common value system from. You'll notice this is true without fail. As for me, I do not accept such people as experts at all, regardless of how "respected" in the world they are - their conclusions are demonstrably intellectually bankrupt because they are built on false presuppositions that can be easily unraveled.

It's getting to be like the emperor's new clothes level of stupidity with most of what they promote now. I'm surprised people still fall for it. But it is possible that you have been subverted by these people and their agenda, even if you haven't realized it. You've been bamboozled into thinking these people are intellectually honest and real no-kidding experts, and not charlatans whose lies can be unraveled very easily. It is possible for this to be the case, even if you are not an actual member of their cult. And that is exactly why it's so pernicious.

>>17816422 (OP)
Ay Tone!