Thread 17816722

Why did the Germans became Nazis?

>>17816722 (OP)
Post imperial Germany being ruled by Weimar liberals
That's it, completely out of touch with a bunch of people who would have been elated to be part of an empire that, without the tragedy of WWI would have been the largest economy on Earth next to the US and militarily without a peer in the 1920s

>>17816745
>without the tragedy of WWI would have been the largest economy on Earth
Krauts were autistically obsessed with military conquest, so yeah, not going to happen.

>>17816722 (OP)
teach the children well
>kek

>>17816722 (OP)
Egg prices were too high

>>17816722 (OP)
>>17816722 (OP)
Lack of centralization during the preceding centuries + need to play catch up.
You will notice many similarities between the HRE states (Italy, Germany) and feudal Japan. It should be obvious why turbonationalism was needed to overcome regionalist nonsense so as not to be steamrolled by anglos and frogs.

Russoids facism (communism) however is impossible to explain via systems , they had a once in a millennium retard at the helm, inverse of great man theory is the only solution.

>>17816722 (OP)
Nazis were a reaction to the corruption undermining and trying to destroy all white people, then as now.

Take it from a well placed witness to history.

>>17816722 (OP)
>Why did the Germans became Nazis?
jews

Most Germans didn't. In fact, tens of millions of Germans fled the country after Hitler took power, the only ones who stayed behind were the biggest retards. It was an elaborate dysgenics program. Nazi Nuclear scientists even admitted after the war that the reason the Americans beat them to the nuke was because of the brain drain that occured when the Nazis took over the country, especially since most of the nuclear scientists during the Manhattan Project were Jewish refugees from Europe. Even after Germany fell to the Soviets and Americans, there was almost no opposition.

>>17816722 (OP)
Weimar problems require Weimar solutions.

>>17816745
>Would've been the greatest military on earth if we hadn't lost the war!
I mean, come on bro lmao

>>17816722 (OP)
Nazism is just German ultra nationalism and Germans applying the same colonial conquest methods that France, Britain, Spain, etc. used but directed towards fellow Europeans instead.
Germany wanted to do to Poland what Britain did in Australia or Canada, basically, and the Germans genuinely couldn't understand why this offended everyone in Europe

>>17816745
Meme. Literally the only reason why the Nazis won was the Great Depression. They got very lucky.

>>17818357
This graph is somewhat dishonest. It's not like NSDAP was founded in 1928. They existed before, they were just irrelevant.

>>17817824
>>17817841
>>17818362
>>17818363
amerimutt

>>17816722 (OP)
Because they liked it.

>>17816722 (OP)
It’s in their nature

>>17818377
Britain didn’t commit genocide in Canada and Australia

>>17816722 (OP)
Honestly there wasn't a huge difference between what the Nazis believed and what was already mainstream during the German Empire. The anti-semitism, superiority complex, the race science, the wacky theories about Aryans was already there before. The whole social darwinist, the week must dominate the strong ideology that was the most condemned by the rest of the Western world at the time was basically just the ideology of the Prussian officre corps rebranded.

The Nazi Party started basically as revolutionary socialism with some nationalist and Volkisch flavor. Then Hitler branded it as a party for German tradition and return to normalcy (instead of the chaotic democracy), and this was when it became mainstream. But they didn't even have to tone down the racism and militarism, that was just part of normal discourse.

It's actually more interesting how they stopped being nazis.

>>17816722 (OP)
socioeconomic reasons

>>17816754
I never understood why they never tried setting up more colonies. Instead of mass migrating to the americas they should have sent all of those people to an actual settler colony. Like, why couldn't they just took or buy an island like Taiwan or the falklands? Or fuck it, take by force Nicaragua or some shit, Willian Walker almost did. And I doubt America would intervine because of muh Monroe Doctrine as long as they don't touch Panama, the Europeans wouldn't start ww1 over that.

>>17818618
They did. And made settlements on top of the buried natives.
>>17818384
>Muh overvaluation!
>>17818374
It wasn’t so much a loss as a stab in the back.
>>17817842
They were democratically elected.
>>17816754
Imperialism for me not for thee.

>>17818618
Tasmania is part of Australia anon

>>17816722 (OP)
For no reason at all.

Weimar

>>17816722 (OP)
Most people don't understand the difference between Nazism and German ultranationalism. Germany was ripe for a revanchist and ultranationalist takeover ever since 1918.
The reason is that the majority of German population was completely unaware how complete the defeat on the frontline was. Kaiser's government was very skilled in creating a bubble of false news and false impressions that convinced the bulk of the German population that victory was at hand until the very end. THIS is what made the German public so susceptible to the stab-in-the-back mythos. THIS is also what made the defeat so shocking and the relatively modest terms of the Versailles became to be seen as intolerable.

The oft forgotten is that even in the 1920s the successive German governments were making moves towards massive rearmament and military expansion in defiance of Versailles limitations. They made skillful use of diplomacy, goodwill and war weariness of the Western governments to progressively wind down all controls and move all goalposts. Hitler's government didn't change much in that regard, he literally used timetables and programs that were developed already under Weimar regime.

Germany coming for Round 2 of the World War was pretty much inevitable and stemmed from the fact that Versailles failed to resolve any of the underlying causes of WW1. The only question of why Hitler and not somebody else and why Nazism and not some other blend of militarism or nationalism. The honest answer is that it was most likely the result of Hilter's own political skills, the weakness and infighting of his rivals and the giant Black Swan that was the Great Crisis. Especially without the latter, the war that would have happened anyway would be much more like WW1 in ideological terms.
>>17818377
The latter part is correct. They even used the same argument. "Why can't we do what the Anglos did themselves?"

>>17818730
>It wasn’t so much a loss as a stab in the back.

Ludendorff literally begged the civilian government to ask for a ceasefire because his army for disintegrating and the Entente would soon enter German soil.
He immediately conveniently forgot about it and started loudly claiming that civilians had betrayed the victorious army.

It's insane that anyone can still believe in stab-in-the-back myth.

>>17817842
>tens of millions of Germans fled the country
No, it wasn't even half a million. It wasn't even 20k. This colossal German mass migration never happened

>>17816722 (OP)
Too much degeneracy made them swung to the other side of the isle. US is experiencing Weimar 2.0, it's just that Trump is way too incompetent and dumb to actually create a revolution and most Americans still have bread.

>>17816722 (OP)
Still coping from ww1

>>17818900
>me when I lie

>>17818720
Because it was constantly undermined by britains inferiority complex towards germany. The war and genocide in namibia is a direct consequence of british colonists displacing tribes and "encouraging" them to attack the evil "white" people aka. the german settlers

>>17818993
>>me when I lie
Point out a single lie, asshole.

>>17818993
> The war and genocide in namibia is a direct consequence of british colonists
Brits had literally nothing to do with Namibia. The genocide happened after Herero raided German outposts. And this in turn itself was caused by Germans openly breaking treaties they made with Heroero, taking land and raping some highborn Herero women for the good measure. The underlying cause was that German colonial government in Namibia saw natives more like primates than humans.

>>17818912
Do you know how many Americans joined the front every single month? Besides the British and French troops already present? Italy switching sides? And how useless Austria-Hungary was?

Stalemating all those powers with said constraints AFTER having conquered the East means you are strong or weak anon?

>hitler keeps promising everybody economic collapse
>it happens
>they elect him

>>17816722 (OP)
good paying jobs

>>17819364

> Stalemating
Lol, German army was crushed by the Hundred Days' Offensive. The Entente were already racing towards German border. War was lost, German staff knew this. That's why they begged the civilian politicians to call for truce before everything is lost.

There was no stab in the back. Germany simply lost. No matter how strong it was, it bit more than it could chew.

>>17819419
Meh I’d say if anyone lost it’s the British who threw away their empire and world hegemony out of spite (Germanophobia). Seriously, who declares world wars over Belgium’s neutrality and the city of Danzig?

>>17819433

The Brits threw away their empire during WW2, not WW1.

And they did it because the saw the writing on the wall. The empire was not longer tenable, they only could choose whether they want the world to be dominated by America, USSR or Germany and they chose the former for obvious reasons.

>>17819433
Virtually everyone lost in ww1.
That's the whole point. It was a senseless war.
The primary actors who initited the conflict; Germany, Russia and Austria, were the ones who lost the most.

I'd even throw in Serbia in there because nearly 50% of the male population died in ww1 which is a catastrophic number.

>>17818900
>Kaiser's government was very skilled in creating a bubble of false news and false impressions that convinced the bulk of the German population that victory was at hand until the very end.

Wilhelm had nothing to do with it.
It was primarily Ludendorff.
The army generals had long since taken control of the Germn state and sidelined Wilhelm.
Ludendorff was the primary instigator of the "never defeated" myth when he conveniently abandoned his responsibilies in 1918.
He later became NSDAP strongest supporter, but almost exclusively for his own personal gains.

>>17818363
>worlds most formidable armies
>roflstomps a few underdeveloped 'literally who' small countries before getting their teeth kicked in the moment they actually picked a fight with a peer opponent

Just like your idol, it could have been an interesting point if you/he weren't childishly obsessed with the military. Of course, if Hitler had not started Germanies second international tantrum in a century his entire, socialist, house of cards would have come crumbling down in pretty short order. All of that impressive stuff you're bragging about there was financed by fraudulent book-keeping and debt spending - that's why they needed to conquer other countries, to loot their treasuries in the hopes of finally paying off the debt they'd incurred to get ready for the war.

Of course, that was a retarded economic plan. War is prohibitively expensive on a good day (just look how much it cost for a collection of the most powerful militaries that have ever existed had to spend to invade the sandbox in GWOT), so waging war to make money in the hopes of stabilizing your economy is like taking out payday loans to pay off your credit card debt that you spent on rent and bills (i.e. financially irresponsible retard behavior that can only end badly for you)

>>17819444
>Muh WW2
The two are so intertwined one could speak of one long war.
>Muh writing on the wall
It was only untenable because of you igniting two world wars genius, without Britain the Ferdinand assassination and Danzig question would’ve been resolved without much bloodshed and stayed continental quabbles.
>Muh false dilemma
And it’s not obvious at all that Pax Americana is more favourable, but do explain. Since the British empire has been reduced to an island under the yoke of turd worlders (Indian PM). Germany never had any conflicting interests vis a vis Britain and (both 2nd/3rd reichs) would’ve been disgusted at their current predicament.

>>17819695
you need a new script, that one's out of date and just makes you look as butthurt as you really are.

>>17816722 (OP)
The Weimar republic was a genuine shit show. Without hindsight I would've became a nazi too if I lived in a once proud country that had trannies, gays and prostitutes frolicking on every corner, French occupiers killing workers in the Ruhr, debt and inflation being sky high, no job or economic prospects, and Jews well... Being Jews with the standard usury and whatnot.

No sane person wouldn't have become a nazi under those circumstances.

>>17818374
It probably would've been until the 40s-50s when American industrial might would catch up.

WW1 Germany despite retarded leadership managed to stalemate a 2 front war with Britain and France in the West and Russia in the East.

>>17819744
You're going over the top there. Germany wasn't the strategic genius of WWI; it's just that the technology introduced in that war meant that the balance of power heavily favoured the defender, and Germany was on the defense by the late war. The entirety of WWI was different countries and generals attempts to figure out how you countered machineguns, trenches, and barbed wire (with mixed results). By the end of the war Germany was begging for peace because the British naval blockade was about to send them spiraling into starvation and 'failed state'hood, they do not deserve credit - let alone praise - for that.

>>17819735
The majority of Germans voted for NSDAP because of the economic situation. Same reason nearly half the country voted for the socialist parties.

The whole "degeneracy" argument is an after-construct.

>>17816754
>autistically obsessed with military conquest
can you describe this using evidence? Germans from the HRE to the modern Federal State have always been domestically minded and fought fewer wars of expansion than Russia, France, the UK, Sweden, Poland, Hungary, and Italy.
Germany lagged behind in expansionism compared to the other major European powers of the late middle ages to modern era.
>but they are le good at war
>muh heckin militarism
Theyre intelligent high quality people, obviously theyd be good at war.

>>17818486
prakesh you have lost your starlink privileges

>>17818618
and neither did Germany, however, Britain did kill a greater % of the people indigenous to those regions than Germany ever killed of any group it fought.
>>17819856
no, the degeneracy argument was a primary factor, there is no division between degeneracy and economy.
You see it with MIGAnigas today, Trump represents both the end of wokism and shitlib economics.

>>17819881
As I suspected, you're just another /pol/tard tourist who is projecting his own frustration with 2025 onto this historical debate with literally made up lies.

Could you even explain these "degeneracy" points that apparently were so critical to the NSDAP vote, or are you just parroting propaganda with no substance?

>>17819782
>they would have starved
do you not realize food isnt magically stockpiled via international trade?
The blockades most profound effect on the German food situation was within the first year of it occurring.
They werent running out of food, they had enough food, not enough for abundance but enough that they wouldnt starve.
This is the same retarded shit NAFOtroons say today "Russia will be out of shells any day now, the sanctions will end Russia's advance o algo"

>>17816722 (OP)
...Socio-economic factors?

>>17819881
>you see it with MIGAnigas today
No, it's a new thing. It has little to do with Weimar.

Beer Hall Putsch failed. Was Weimar not degenerate in 1923 yet? In 1928 the Nazis only got 2.6% votes.
And while NSDAP was technically outlawed after the Beer Hall Putsch there were substitute organization created that actually took part in earlier elections.

So in May 1924 National Socialist Freedom Movement got 6.5% votes.
But in December 1924 only 3%.
Then in 1928 even less 2.6%.

SPD remained the biggest party, but even KPD got more votes.

>>17819710
She's right. without British intervention on the continent the wars that occurred would have been much more localized and far less deadly.

>>17819929
>Germany wasnt starving in the last years of the war

This is some next level shit right here.

>>17819938
Without German intervention on the continent the wars that occurred would have been much more localized and far less deadly.

See >>17819725

>>17818656
>anti semitism
There was no anti-semitism, there were appropriate reactions to jewish terrorists murdering people, like they do today.
>superiority complex
pointing out high HDI of Germany is not a superiority complex, their HDI is also high today, higher than the UK btw.
>race science
Evolution doesnt stop at the neck.
>wacky theories about Aryans
which were proven correct in 2015 and this board has had non-stop haplotype threads coping/affirming these truths.
>social darwinist
That is never what Germans were about, that is a projection by Atlanticist/Anglo/Maritime trade powers who do not understand you can have a Will to Power without having a will to dominate.
Anglo-Americans only understand domination, bizarrely you also see one of their primary sexual fetishes is being dominated by women, but Anglo Americans are either master or slave, they have no ability to regulate authority, its either total freedom or totalitarian you need a license to open a window state.

You should take what the Germans say about themselves, not what very silly very unserious nations claim about Germany.

>>17819900
>pol
boogeyman
>frustration with 2025
So you havent used /pol/, probably ever, but /pol/ has been against Trump for the past three years going along with the Groyper shift to "Legacy of Trump" over Trump the man himself.
>made up lies
Such as?
>degeneracy points
They didnt want degeneracy and they partook in, approved of, and applauded the shut downs of child brothels lmao.
>critical to the NSDAP vote
>ACTUALLY EVERYONE WAS JUST A SINGLE ISSUE ECONOMIC VOTER
oh shit its Chris Cuomo, nobody say "Fredo".
>propaganda
can we see this "propaganda"
?

>>17819929
>The blockades most profound effect on the German food situation was within the first year of it occurring.
This is complete nonsense
The German post war estimate of 765,000 deaths due to the blockades was exaggeration meant for propaganda, the consensus is between 300,000 and 600,000 deaths can be attributed to some combo of malnutrition and the flu epidemic
Many, many more children experienced sever malnutrition based on studies of German childrens height and weight after the war

>>17819936
>its new
civil discontent with the current state of culture is actually a very old thing.
>The Putsch failed
yeah because they walked into machine gun fire, not because people liked child prostitution and tranny books lmfao.

>>17819940
>actually Germans had zero food for years
whoah, how did they learn to live off of zero calories per day for two years?
>>17819954
>no u
Except German intervention was localized LOL
If Germany had just run over Poland in 1939 and there is no British intervention, there is no WWII as there is no reason for a Germany vs Britain.
>NO IT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED
you know this because you have crystal ball and can predict alternate timelines? wow.
same is true for AH vs Serbia.

>>17819966
Everything you posted is irrelevant and not based on any facts.

>They didnt want degeneracy and they partook in, approved of, and applauded the shut downs of child brothels lmao.
But apparently they were okay with degeneracy between 1924-1930?
>>17819936

And what about Landtag election? Did the Nazis fare better?

Baden (1925) - 0 seats/72
Bavaria (1928) - 9/128
Brunswick (1927) - 1/48

Prussia (1928), the den of German degeneracy:
6/450 - less than 2%.

>>17819969
This doesnt conflict with what I had said.
Unless 20% of the German population starved to death every subsequent month, there is no reason to believe there was a famine.

An actual famine looks like a % of the population dying of hunger every month/weeks.
This is not what we see.
They had enough food, not a lot, but enough.
This "DA BLAKADE" is just cope for retarded Anglos because they ultimately had lost the war to a stalemate and required America to bring a decisive conclusion.

>>17819990
>irrelevant and not based on any facts.
prove it
>they were apparently okay with degeneracy
and we know this because they were single issue voters right?

>>17819998
>prove it
It's your job to prove that people voted for the Nazis because of alleged degeneracy. I proved that Nazis were an irrelevant party until the 1930 elections (after the 1929 Wall Street crash).

>>17820015
actually no, I only need to prove people voted for a party that was against degeneracy and they approved when they ended degeneracy, this is also just self evident when observing their final elections and the approvals of their early years in power.

Your hypothesis necessarily requires they are single issue voters which have failed to demonstrate.

>>17820015
FYI, a small party is not an irrelevant party, especially given how the German political system worked.
Its not like America where you need an absurd number of votes.
Anything from 1-5% can be considered a serious political force.

>>17820023
That's why I'm asking you if degeneracy wasn't a problem before 1930 because before 1930 barely anyone voted for them.

>>17820025
Let's not exaggerate.

1928 German elections:
SPD - 30%
DNVP - 14%
Zentrum - 12%
KPD - 10%
NSDAP - 2.6%

That's not a serious political force.

>>17816722 (OP)
Natural reaction to interaction with jews

>>17819725
What am I looking at? I clearly said the Britbongs escalated the continental tensions into world wars. And they ended up paying for it dearly. Hence my original point them being the real losers.

>>17819929
Damn dude. I know that Krautaboos tend to be disconnected from reality on some level, but that's just next level.

>>17820077
>"they all died due to starvation"
>no they didnt they survived
>"you are le krautaboo"
?????????????
What did she mean by this?
>>17820038
Who's exaggerating?
2.6% is a serious political force, you dont need 51% of the votes to hold political office.
>>17820026
>if degeneracy wasnt a problem why didnt they vote for them
because they werent single issue voters.

>>17820192
Who the fuck said 'they all died from starvation' you deranged inbred? You're arguing with one of your multiple personalities now.

>>17820204
The implication that the blockade would worsen can only mean starvation, otherwise we must assume that what we saw is what was happening, their food imports were cut short, but this did not magically remove all of the food they produced domestically.

>>17820212
>Britain blockades Germany, buttfucking their economy
>Germany enters harsher and harsher food rationing due to decreased production and inability to import food (conscripting vast chunks of your working age male population tends to have major economic consequences)
>This situation keeps getting worse, as Britain intended - it's one of Britain's go-to moves for conflict with Europe throughout modern history, and it tended to work pretty well
>Germany, realising that the situation was deteriorating, and that the war was spiraling out of control sued for peace
>You don't seem to understand any of this, or all that much in general
>You get inordinately butthurt when this gets pointed out
You are just genuinely fucking dumb, aren't you.

>>17820222
No, youre just uninformed.
>Even as a food crisis loomed on the eve of the armistice, the army built up a reserve of 1.5 million tons of grain (equivalent to 7 months of pre-war imports), plus other foodstuffs, for a possible last-ditch battle.[6]
They never sank below 1000 calories per day.
Their shell reserves never reached zero.
no one actually believes the blockade ended the war and this view has been challenged by your vaunted academic consensus.

>uh Germany was le retarded xxddd and easily beaten
I feel like Im talking to a hicklib in the zelenskyyyyyyy cult.

I like how that animal stopped replying when faced with the fact Germany was able to stockpile a metric fuckload of food as late as Fall 1918.

>>17816722 (OP)
most didn't become nazis. they tolerated the nazis because they saw no reason to stick their necks out for people they never cared about anyway, but they weren't cheering in the streets when the police dragged some supposedly jewish family out of their homes
the ones that did become nazis bought into the fables the german military told the country to pin the blame for their loss in ww1 on anyone but the military despite the military squarely losing the war for germany

>>17820251
>uh Germany was le retarded xxddd and easily beaten
Again, nobody said that. You're arguing with yourself and still losing somehow. Have fun with that.

>>17820444

Most German population wholeheartedly supported Hitler when he gave them territorial expansion from 1938 on. The pleb obviously never delved into the ideological minutiae, but that irrelevant. Until the loses started to mount and until the sky started raining fire on them, the German civilian was the net beneficiary of Hitler's regime and in return supported it.

>>17820453
>but that irrelevant
lol
thats the crux of the argument. they never ideologically aligned with the nazis, but tolerated them insofar as the nazis gave them material benefits. they weren't in the streets chanting nazi slogans just for fun but they certainly had no reason to push back against the nazis. they were more than willing to overlook the crankery the nazis talked about, and looked the other way when jews/gypsys/etc were being rounded up, as long as the nazis made their lives comfortable
as soon as it was clear the nazis had doomed germany, the regular people stopped supporting them

>>17820475

It's like saying people aren't Christians because going to the church every Sunday is not sufficient in you do not fully understand the theology behind the hypostatic union.

>>17820444
>>17820475
You both have a point. The lesson drawn from this is that 90% of people are NPCs. This isn't a specifically German problem. It's the same everywhere. The mass is juster utter opportunist scum.

>>17820482
if you call yourself christian only because you go to church every sunday, you're a liar
standing in a garage doesn't make you a car

>>17820489
I wouldn't call them opportunist scum, but yeah most people are npcs. they just want to have food and recreation for their family and their friends.
that's why the only left wing movements that actually achieve anything are vanguardists. you can't rely on mass movements themselves because the masses dont' give a fuck. they simply need someone telling them what to think about any given topic

An English traveler in 1603 wrote that if the German people ever became one nation they would be very dangerous indeed.

>>17816722 (OP)
The nazi’s should have conquered Eastern Europe, eliminated communism, united the rest of Europe, and then worked with the Slavs to genocide non whites instead.

>>17818993
The brits were fucking shit up around the world way too much during the 19th and early 20th centuries.

>>17821105
Slavs are the leaders of the nonwhite world, or at least that's how they're perceived. Even today Africa, Asia, and Latin America look to Moscow for guidance against the West.
The fact Slavs can also "pass as white" in white nationalist circles only goes to show how talented they are at playing both sides

>>17819955
Germany is a fucking shithole nowadays you retard.

>>17819993
They didn't lose the war, you complete dumb fuck. And the blockade was what broke the back of Germany.

>>17817841
>>17818377
>applying the same colonial conquest methods that France, Britain, Spain, etc. used but directed towards fellow Europeans instead.
Why is this retarded argument brought by stupid reddit discord trash lmao.
The british had already done that against the Irish and against Germans via imperial policy after ww1

>>17820515
bread and circuses has been true for all of history

>>17821553
>broke the back of Germany
>Germany still had ammunition, food, and men in the field
What did she mean by this?
Describe specific events and specific causes not this "le broke le back".
>>17820450
That was the essence of the posts made, that Germany was a pushover and therefore foolish for not surrendering totally on day1.
anyway you were wrong about the blockade and starvation.
and you have backpedaled and now youre just ignoring reality.
Germany was able to stockpile an immense amount of food in the final months of the war despite the blockade.

Britain and France would have been forced into a true armistice and much less punishing treaty if there was no US intervention.
This is a failure of the British and French armies to finish the war on their own merits.

>>17821548
Germany is alive today, Britain is not.

>>17816722 (OP)
For the lols

• Germany always had an authoritarian government and their Weimar Republic was imposed on them

• Germany was always deeply conservative and yearned for the times before the war, Hitler was compared to popular figures like Bismarck who defended Germany and instituted a social welfare system

• deadlock in the Reichstag due to unstable coalition government

• political "polarization" with pro-democratic groups siding with socialists and communists to counter authoritarian conservatives which further stained the idea of democracy

• only the right wanted to do away with the Treaty of Versailles completely, making the left look like weak collaborators

• desperation at the low point of the great depression

• shock by more traditional segments of society at Weimar sexual freedom, not just religious disapproval of homosexuality, child prostitutes lined the streets outside hotels for foreigners in Berlin for example

• about half of adult men were ww1 veterans, many with PTSD, they had fought and watched friends die for nothing

• many Poles had migrated to Germany and the poor immigrants tended to side with the left communists and care little for Germany's defeat in the war, many of whom were Jews, and again only the right were opposed to what was seen as a subversive foreign element

• Hitler's force of personality, the lessons learned from Mussolini's rise to power as well as talented people like Goebbels and new technology like microphones, radio and air travel to get Hitler to and fro his gigs made it seem as though his brand of authoritarianism was a modern alternative to monarchy and a preferable alternative to communism

>>17822250
>olitical "polarization" with pro-democratic groups siding with socialists and communists to counter authoritarian conservatives which further stained the idea of democracy
Nope. SPD was anti-communist and KPD wasn't willing to work with the socialists.

>>17822250
false some German states had liberal political traditions and Prussian authoritarianism was imposed with unification in 1871

>>17821205
^this. Russians look superficially white and speak IE language, are Christian etc but in reality they are mix of Mongol, Tatar, churka and the moment you sit down and talk to one you realize their politics and mentality are neither white or European.

>>17822255
SPD had many communists, the KPD was a Stalinist LARP party and did not represent all communists

>>17816722 (OP)
The bourgeoisie and plutocratic elites will always back far right goons when communism becomes popular in order to crush it because nazis are not a threat to their class interests like communists are

>>17822278
Prussians were the most liberal and democratic of all pre-unified German states, brainlet.