How do the other Abrahamic religions reconcile the fact that Judaism is their progenitor?
I'm asking this as someone from a Muslim background who had a near-death experience that’s left me questioning my beliefs and struggling to make sense of where I stand. What troubles me is that both Christianity and Islam, despite claiming to correct or transcend earlier teachings, are ultimately rooted in Judaism. No matter how much they seek to reinterpret or refine it, they share the same foundational source, and that source, to me, feels deeply problematic.
Judaism, at its core, appears to be a tribal, ethnocentric religion. Its conception of God seems more like a national deity concerned with a specific people than a truly universal being. Historically, it evolved from Israelite paganism, which itself was drawn from the older Canaanite pantheon. Yahweh was originally a tribal weather and war god, later conflated with the Canaanite chief god El and gradually elevated above the other deities in a process that moved from polytheism, to henotheism, and eventually to monotheism. That evolution, from worshipping one god among many to claiming the existence of only one God, may explain the current monotheistic framework but it doesn’t change the origins. If the origins of the Abrahamic faiths lie in a flawed, tribal, and seemingly man-made tradition, how can the resulting religions that branch from it be trusted as truly divine? I find myself unable to renounce the belief in God altogether, but I can’t help but feel that the historical underpinnings of Judaism undermine the credibility of the entire Abrahamic tradition.

>>17818477 (OP)
I don't think that any of them are right, but they actually do make meaningful pivots towards their own community.

Judaism is a tribal and ethnocentric religion since it is simply the set of laws established for a community tied by blood, the laws are the condition of a covenant between them and God. If they follow it, they are blessed; if not, they are cursed. One thing, however, is that the Torah makes it quite clear that the covenant is only for the Israelites to dwell in the land of Israel. It is in this land alone that they will be blessed since that is their allotted territory in the world. In fact, as you know the earliest texts like Deuteronomy state that Yahweh was given Israel by El Elyon, which I suppose it means he was seen as one of the seventy sons of El.

But let's think deeper about this. Yahweh says that he's the sole divinity, in Hosea he says "I am El" when criticizing the golden calves. The entire purpose of the Torah wasn't simply just to establish laws for one people, it was, as Deuteronomy states:
>Observe them carefully, for this will show your wisdom and understanding to the nations, who will hear about all these decrees and say, “Surely this great nation is a wise and understanding people.” What other nation is so great as to have their gods near them the way the Lord our God is near us whenever we pray to him? And what other nation is so great as to have such righteous decrees and laws as this body of laws I am setting before you today?
The goal was always for God to be identified with a set of laws, a kind of moral revolution that whoever followed these rules would gain his attention. And since he considered himself the God, or at least the greatest of the gods, in the end the whole world would know that he alone was the only one to call on.

I'll continue in the next one.

>>17818477 (OP)
>>17818753
Christianity takes this message and goes a bit further. Jesus is a righteous man and lives a life fully in line with the Torah's precepts, and his interpretation of it is the fulfillment of the law and the prophets, it is a way of saying that this is God's ideal for man, and Jesus is the exemplar. The purpose of his mission was to get the people of his nation to repent by showing them "the way" of life. If they listened, they would be saved. If they did not, God would scatter them. They killed him and failed, but the Church was devoted to converting as many people as possible to this mission. Jesus rises from the dead, and commands them to teach his message to the whole world, and Paul came later to explain that while the Jews were in fact blood-bound to the Torah, the new covenant was only on the basis of faith. If you are baptized, believe in Jesus' authority, which means to follow his teachings, and believe that God raised him, you will be raised as well when the Day of the Lord comes.

Islam pivots and says that while the Christians did have a covenant, it was not eternal and entirely dependent on their obedience to God. Muhammad thus established a new covenantal community on the basis that his followers, ones he called Muslims and the Party of God, would "inherit the earth."

All three are based on a covenant, in fact all three are tied to Palestine. Different conditions for ethical behavior in the community were deemed as being sufficient for the covenant continuing, but it's an ambitious project and the Jews were supposed to be the prototype. That's it.

>>17818477 (OP) If you're a true Muslim, then you know Jews were doing fine, until the start killing the prophets sent by God. Then the wrongdoers tainted their Torah and they kept following the wrong teachings. Christ came and corrected their path, so many "converted".

>>17818477 (OP)
yes the bible contradicts history. what you're talking about was mainstream and well known for decades among archeologist and published peer reviewed academics. however it wasn't well known amongst every to day people. And this probably still the case to this day. Most people probably don't know that the bible's account of history contradicts the material evidence of those bygone eras. even in countries where belief in the bible is declining. And the people who stop beliving in the bible probably do so for reasons other than it's contradiction to history. I mean most people think biblical writings are bronze age and iron age writings. When the bulk of the bible is most likely from the Hellenistic period. not even from the Persian period.

>be archaeologist
>dig around Sinai for decades
>find literally zero evidence of millions of Israelites wandering for 40 years
>Exodus not even once
>read about Jericho walls falling from trumpet blast
>actually check Jericho
>city was already destroyed centuries before Joshua would’ve arrived
>bible cope intensifies
>open Bible
>David and Solomon had giga-kingdom with gold, palaces, empire vibes
>check archaeological record
>barely find a few huts and broken pottery
>“unified monarchy” my ass
>see Philistines mentioned in Abraham’s time
>they didn’t even exist yet
>bible.exe has stopped working
>global flood with Noah and zoo boat
>geology and archaeology: “nah bro, never happened”
>no flood layers, no mass extinction, no ark debris
>boat story just vibes
>look up ancient records from Egypt, Assyria, Babylon
>expect epic Bible battles and plagues
>records: “who?”
>Bible getting ghosted by history
>dig in Canaan
>expect foreign Israelite invaders
>instead find Canaanites slowly evolving into Israelites
>“conquest of Canaan” was just a rebrand
>analyze Hebrew texts
>turns out most were written centuries after events they describe
>tfw your holy book is historical fanfic

>>17818477 (OP)
Because, silly, Jews didn't exist in ancient times they're a schizoid medieval cult that formed as a reaction against Christianity.

Technically, they don't care as much as people think about that. The term abrhamaic reilgion is really more a political term and in the case of Islam a claim to justify it's existence. Who Abraham is, even if it existed at all, what role he plays differ. Below is an academic lecture touching on this. Basically, Each reilgion has a different character called Abraham.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7nqC4Ep4tA

>>17818477 (OP)
What today is "Judaism" is an offshoot of Temple Judaism. Christianity is the fulfillment of the old covenant, with the coming of the Christ and the baptisement of all nations.
>Yahweh was originally a tribal weather and war god, later conflated with the Canaanite chief god El and gradually elevated above the other deities in a process that moved from polytheism, to henotheism, and eventually to monotheism
Yahweh is, and was, God. The histories made up by positivist anthropologists do not take in account the existence of God, of gods, and especially not their agence; they make it up from a purely atheist perspective. That the Israelites worshipped gods besides the one true God is known by every one who opened the Old Testament; this wasn't news to Judeans in Christ's time, it isn't news to Christians, nor "Jews". The prophets didn't come again and again to applaud the Judeans for their piety.
>Islam
Probably some offshoot Christian heresy that got influenced by the large amounts of Talmudists in the Hejaz.

>>17818477 (OP)
>Abrahamic

>>17819837
Judaism in general is a reaction to being body bagged constantly, and that process didn't stop during the Middle Ages.

>>17819837
The old testament is literally the jewish religious book

>>17820006
It's the Christian religious book

>>17820006
The people who call themselves Jew today have nothing to do with the biblical Jews.