Is this how people cope with the Soviets trying and failing to send a human to the moon?

Holy shit... do you really believe they didn't went there just because the media didn't report it?

>>17822692 (OP)
The US didn't do any better since the "moon" they went to was a Kubrick set.

>>17822709
Knowing what an autist Kubrick was I am 99 percent positive that he would have insisted that it be shot on location

>first dog in space

>>17822709
The USSR was always 5 steps ahead of America when it came to espionage and propaganda. You're retarded if you think they wouldn't have sperged out and jumped at the chance to expose America as a fraud. The fact that none of the Soviets even so much as implies that it was fake is enough proofs for me.

>>17822692 (OP)
They did send people to the moon, though
Also, they had plans to send people to Mars too but scrapped it

>>17822803
One thing I have some lost nostalgia for is that era of future-forward modernism.

The Soviets obviously didn't like the U.S. gaining an edge over them in the Space Race but there was an ideological belief that it was a progressive advancement for humanity in general, which helped serve as a basis for joint U.S.-Soviet space cooperation in the 1970s. Most people who argue for/against communism today are edgelords, they don't really have a sense of the beliefs and language of the time, which was something closer and more similar to 1950s Americana and the futurism of the time than anything today.

I obviously didn't live there but that's just my impression reading about it. Rendered in a utopian way would be Atomic Heart but that game was made by a Russian so I think he "got" the vibe:
https://youtu.be/RdsKoWUNcIk

>>17822803
LOL. The US controls the biggest international media outlets, what they say it's the truth, what Russia says is false; it's like nowadays with the war in Ukraine, anything that Russia says is barely reported, if at all, and gets ridiculed instantly by the US controlled global media. Also when the moon landings supposedly happened it was the friendliest period in USSR/USA relations, so it's likely some kind of deal was reached where the US gave them grain at discounted price (which happened under Nixon) and the USSR would keep shut about the hoax, or some other kind of deal

>>17822923
>the USSR decided to stay quiet about something their rival faked with the hope some other guy will like totally get into power and give them a grain deal seveal years later
>this also somehow did not show up in the Soviet archives at all
>modern day Russia also for some reason doesn't reveal this info

>>17822692 (OP)
the Soviets, for the most part, never took as serious a scientific and methodical approach to their space program as the US did, many of their "firsts" were only so because of rushed attempts to beat the Americans for political reasons
that doesn't mean there weren't scientists in the USSR just as dedicated as anyone else, they were- and in many ways they did exceed the Americans
but the political, and more importantly, economic reality was stacked against them
the success of NASA's shuttle program vs the Soviet Buran underscores this
>first space station
true, along with Mir the USSR was ahead in pioneering long term habitability and experimantion in space
>first craft on another planet
true, the Soviet effort to explore Venus was something they could do in a absence of American focus and their Venera program deserves all the praise it gets
>first space rocket
dubious, the nazis technically got there before anyone and the r7 rockets while impressive were just icbms and lacked much of the sophistication of the later saturn rockets
the focus on raw power and lifting capability, while it did have an edge over American designs early, was determental long term as American designs became more maneuverable, reliable, and versatile
>first satellite
meh, Sputnik was only a quick slapdash effort to beat publicized American plans to put a satellite in space
within a few months Explorer 1 was up and outclassed Sputnik in every way, truly gathering data and paving the way for scientifically significant satellites
>first man, women and dog
again, just to beat the west to the punch, Gagarin's capsule was primative, lacked any ability for him to independently maneuver, and he had to bail out of it and parachute back down to earth
Soviets shot a guy into space while NASA was learning to fly in space
Tereshkova was a totally token gesture and she underperformed from what I understand
Laika was also a rushed attempt just to catapult a dog in space and suffocate it

>>17822966
Nope Nixon was into power when the moon landing happened, you had the detente with Brezhnev and the grain deal with the USSR during the same administration

>>17822978
so again you must have something from the Soviet archive stating the USSR knew the US didn't land on the moon

>>17822971
>the Soviets, for the most part, never took as serious a scientific and methodical approach
100% false
Right from the start, they viewed themselves as the next step to humanity and continuously subverted tradition and culture for "muh progress"
They even had plans to deliver Communism to aliens as if they were some messengers of God. Seriously

This is the ideology of the narcissist

>>17822971
>first craft on mars
first was just a crash and iirc, none of the subsequent landers lasted more than a few minutes and failed to gather any significant useful data, idk if they even got pictures
NASA would go on to pioneer robotic exploration with its rovers and give us the base of everything we know about Mars
>first space walk
again, just a sloppy first after NASA publicized they would attempt one
Lenonov nearly died doing his space walk while Ed White just a few months later actually could maneuver around some what with the help of a propulsion system and his spacewalk lasted twice as long
>first in space
been going over this, and I don't wish to undermine or degrade any of the achievements of the Soviets, they deserve their accolades, but it needs to be stated the number of times the USSR put their Consonants in unnecessary danger and set aside scientific priorities for political concerns (the US would be plenty guilty of this in time as well)

>>17823014
what you describe is as I said:
a primarily political and "philosophical communist" focus as opposed to a rigorous scientific and engineering focus
the results speak for themselves

>>17822692 (OP)
Yankee cope, Soviets mogged hard in the space race

>>17822761
good post

>>17822692 (OP)
>be the only person to cross the finish line
>somehow didn't win the race because the other guy was in front before collapsing
Why are commies like this?

>>17823023
>first on the moon
i will not deny the Soviets early strides in lunar exploration, landing the first crafts, gathering the first data and pictures
indeed if they had the budget, their aforementioned determinations to beat the Americans could have seen them first on the moon
though their lead in rocket advancement was totally slipped my the late 60s and they had not a vehicle equal to the Saturn V
here's a picture of a car on the moon, if thats not winning the "space race" idk what is

>>17822692 (OP)
yes

also fixed the image

>>17823036
> Soviets mogged hard in the space race

> race to the moon
> lose
> uhm actually it was a race to get the first space station

>>17822923
There's no way they could've convincingly and future-proof faked the moon landing in 1969.
We would've found out by now, there are a lot of true conspiracies, and "they" lie about everything, but the idea of faking going to the moon and broadcasting to the entire world 7 times is absurd.
And manufacturing a failure, and what about all the landers and probes before?
I mean the absolute scale of the Apollo program alone, the documents and thousands of technicians, tens of thousands of people that would have to keep a secret.
No government intelligence agency would try something so risky, it would literally be easier to just go to the moon than carry out then cover up an operation of that magnitude.
Forgot all the technicalities, just the sheer effort to pull something like that off, you have to start believing in stuff like mass hypnosis and mind control of millions to believe something like that.

If you call it a race then of course America won.
Russians were ahead at first but the moon landing was more impressive than anything they performed.
Also don't forget that the race didn't end with a bang but with the whimper that was the Buran. They never want to bring that up.

>Won the space race
Oh yeah, did you win a prize? Thought so. Doesn't matter jack shit who did what first, it only matters what you can still do when you need to do it.

>this thread again

>>17822692 (OP)
>first craft on different planet (venus)
Reality:
>Venera 3 became the first human-made object to impact another planet's surface as it crash-landed on 1 March 1966. However, as the spacecraft's data probes had failed upon atmospheric penetration, no data from within the Venusian atmosphere were retrieved from the mission.
That's pretty much the Soviet space program in a nutshell. Their disregard for safety and redundancy in the name of being "first" meant their early missions had no real value to them.
The first Soviet spacecraft (Sputnik) was just a metal ball that made noise, the first American Spacecraft (Explorer 1) actually had useful scientific instruments.
While the Soviets just wanted to be the first, Americas response was to focus on application.

Isn't it a funny thing that 90% of people who think the Moon landing was faked are brown Third World inhabitants?

>>17823335
The same people also fell for Operation Denver (aka operation INFEKTION) in the 1980s, which claimed that the CIA created HIV/AIDS in a lab.

Many black people in America still believe it today, even though uncovered archives in the 1990s proved that it was an active measures campaign from the initial story to the amplification campaign. Ladislav Bittman was right about these people.

>>17823335
It's easy to be incredulous towards something that is often presented as mankinds greatest acheivement to be fair. The reality is that getting to the moon is actually fairly easy, it's just super expensive and has a relatively high risk factor with little to gain from sending people there, but since the moon has a relatively high gravitation influence on Earth and vice-versa the window for success and delta involved in getting there is far greater than another planet for example. We sent people to the moon 6 times, 9 times if you include Apollo 9-10 which were just orbital missions.

>>17823394
>Apollo 9-10
*8-10

>>17822923
>The US controls the biggest international media outlets,
Back in the 60s? You're retarded. Probably not even from the US either. Kill yourself.

>>17822692 (OP)

>>17822803
It's a fair exchange of silent : USSR does'nt expose the US for the moon la'ding and the US keep quiet about stuff USSR did or did not. Let's say, Yuri Gagarin was'nt the first man in space but the first one to come back and I'm pretty confident russians lied about a ton of other shit. It's just mutual blackmailing.

>>17824657
thats sounds retarded even for an esl like you

We brought our monke home, the USSR let Laika die (rip)

>>17822788
>first slav in space
Whyd they never end up sending a man to space?

do flat earthers think that all space agencies are in on the ball earth conspiracy? like were the soviets and the americans in on it together?

>>17824659
The only human achievements that got harder with time despite more than 50 years of astounding technological advancements, the astronauts at the press conference looked like they had just been at a funeral, tense as hell, not a smile, and weirdly evasive and tentative answering basic questions of the journos about their supposed moon landing.
And they did all of this in the prehistory of space travel while we still haven't sent a man farther than low Earth orbit since, in fact we even struggle to send rovers successfully to this day where it's still chancy, c'mon

>>17822971
>Laika was also a rushed attempt just to catapult a dog in space and suffocate it
It's funny how no one remembers this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fruit_flies_in_space

>>17823133
Add in this: >>17826531

>>17822692 (OP)
Nazi Germany was the first to have get into space, and their technology and science allowed the two superpowers to have space programs. Nazis won.

>>17826572
Thanks to the work of American rocket scientist Robert Goddard. The Americans and Russians were both primed for the Space Race before World War 2 even started. Russians had Cosmism as a driving influnce while Americans were already experimenting with rocket technology. Hitler just wanted a rocket that could fuck up the British

>>17826443
it didn't get harder, interest in it just went away (especially after multiple missions) the only hard part about it is rebuilding the infrastructure for it