Thread 17823194

Has there been an epoch in history more boring than the one we live in today?

>>17823194 (OP) Oh... if you only knew what is going on right now...

>>17823194 (OP)
I can't believe this retard was actually right.

>>17823202
He was wrong about being wrong. That makes him wrong, even if he is right.

>I'm getting old
>History is ending

>>17823194 (OP)
We're just beginning the next era

>>17823194 (OP)
The 21st century has been jam packed with action and revolutionary change broadcasted in real time.

>>17823194 (OP)
Why do so many people think he's wrong? Western liberalism clearly won. Even modern China largely resembles a western liberal country

>billions must die because I'm le bored
basement dweller mentality

we're literally on the cusp of a global war and global paradigm shift in technology and the human condition, post-war liberal paradigm is just the incubation chamber of whats almost done developing

>>17824259
Could you be more specific?

>>17823603
they said the same thing, well almost the same thing in 19th century europe

>>17823194 (OP)
dude... what a strange thing to say with the economy collapsing and ww3 just around the corner

>>17824259
[breathes in]
NOTHING
EVER
HAPPENS

>>17824435
ww3 is not just around the corner

>Fukuyama
>“The Aeon is a child at play with colored balls.

>>17823211
I am old enough to know that many more massive historical changes happened in the first 20 years of my life than in the last 40 that was almost entirely culturally stagnant by comparison.

>>17823211
Based solipsist.

>>17823202
He wasnt. Both America and Europe have gotten increasingly repressive since the 90s with a stronger encroachment into and regulation of peoples private lives. Politics, finance, the media and economy have gone through a Gleichschaltung and operate on a highly ideological basis, opposition to this is met with harsh repercussions of Zersetzung where people are ostracized and financially ruined. Communal politics, which is the true heart of any democracy, is completely dead. People are disenfranchised, isolated and unable to organize so the state and its cronies can take over every aspect of life. The west is liberal in name only, it has become increasingly autocratic with "democracy" being an ideological phrase much like the "revolution" was in many 20th century tyrannies
Western liberal democracies are neither western, nor liberal, nor democratic.

>>17824259
>we're literally on the cusp of a global war
No, war and revolution have been integrated into the system for centuries. We have always been at war with eastasia.

>>17824435
World War 3 has been just around the corner since World War 2, OP's image even directly referenced the cold war.

>>17824435
>economy collapsing and ww3 just around the corner
two more weeks
>>17824259
>cusp of a global war
see above
>global paradigm shift in technology and the human condition
let me guess, AI slop and bullshit tech ?
great, more money and control for Megacorporations/billionaires while the average Joe will will get more misery and pain, amazing

>9/11
>war in iraq and afghanistan
>2008 economic crash
>occupy wall street
>electing the first black president
>war in the ukraine
>war in iran
>war in syria
>electing a game show host as president


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5BL4RNFr58

>>17824562
>>electing a game show host as president
Still not nearly as ridiculous as electing some lifelong bureaucratic lawyer lady, at least we know he is capable of running a successful television game show for years on end.

>>17824459
Gigabased. 'Capped.

>>17824554
>great, more money and control for Megacorporations/billionaires while the average Joe will will get more misery and pain, amazing
the fact that you say this is an evidence that things have changed
people used to be more optimistic in the 80s and 90s
now everyone recognises and takes it as granted that things are going downhill and will only continue to do so

bump

>>17824562
>>17824574
>>electing a game show host as president
eh, we've elected Hollywood actors to be President before. Like or hate the Orange man, but him hosting a game show in the past is probably one of the less unusual things about him

>>17825278
>the fact that you say this is an evidence that things have changed
No, he is literally just describing robber barons and their hype train cycles.

>people used to be more optimistic in the 80s and 90s
People remained pretty optimistic up until Moore's second law overtook Moore's Law and killed a bunch of hope for the future as it became apparent cost will exceed growth going forward.

>>17826682
Those two POTUSes weren't just actors, they were SAG presidents.

>>17823194 (OP)
Probably not but history will move on sooner or later

>>17824459
Best post on the board right now.

>>17823194 (OP)
I thought the Ukrainian war is pretty fun, the COVID lockdowns were... interesting and Trump's presidency was many things but boring

The authoritarian populist right is literally taking over the Western world while liberals themselves are becoming more and more repressive to stop this from happening.
If anything we went back to early 20th century again when democracy collapsed in half of Europe.
Western liberalism is literally collapsing. People don't trust liberal politicians, official sources, scientists anymore while Internet influencers and propagandists are literally worshipped.

>>17823194 (OP)
if you think things are going the way he said they would then you weren't alive when he said it

>>17826960
The election of Trump in 2024 was the moral rejection of the Western Liberal establishment. A guy who has been branded by the establishment as a felon, a man who tried to overthrow democracy and has zero regard for the 'rule of law' gets the most popular vote.
I think a new system needs to be implemented. The information age has utterly destroyed the prevailing 'liberal establishment' narrative. We can see the same issues in Romania where Russian bots were able to utilise the information age to boost their preffered candidate. What was the establishments reaction to this? Cancelling the election. As you said, the liberals are becoming more authoritarian because its either that, or losing power completely.

Then again, Right Wing populism doesn't have the vigour and radicalness of Fascism. Trump has strong authoritarian tendencies and would happily become a Dictator if he could, but he's just not as competent as Mussolini and Hitler, and the modern liberal establishment is still significantly more robust compared to Italian in the 1920's and the Weimar Republic.

>>17826981
>breaks liberal establishment
>looks inside
>liberal economics

Sorry spic but trump will always follow capitalism and not your latinix fascism

>>17826981
>Liberal
I think you mean neoliberal. It's also worth noting how unpopular neoliberalism was basically everywhere for its entire existence. Its image as some unstoppable juggernaut is laughable in the rearview.

>>17824459
Thank you saar for writing this. Even tho it's simple it gives me hope in 4chan

>>17823603
On what fucking planet is the single party dictatorship with mass surveillance, concentration camps, social credit scores and multitudes imprisoned for thought crimes liberal?
Alternatively yes, if you redefine “liberal” to mean “has Coca Cola and Netflix” then yes, Fukuyama was right.

>>17826981
>>17826960
Trump is a liberal, you are using words you don't actually understand the meaning of and this is also offtopic /pol/shit

>>17826960
>The authoritarian populist right
The current administration is more right-libertarian than right-authoritarian, even if that's what they want to present themselves as, everyone is actually complaining that they're trying to push for less government, not more, they only seem authoritarian to you because you're brown and next to be deported

>>17827038
Trump is an oligarch above all, not a fascist, but a jabba the Hutt style oligarch who wants to make the state smaller

(Huh... but how can he be an authoritarian if he wants a smaller state?) Good question. It's not that Trump is a believer in fascism (I don't think he is at all) but he just wants to accumulate power for himself and his cronies, and he desires a smaller state with fewer regulations just so he can do that.

If he believed in Liberalism, he wouldn't have shown such a blatant contempt for it in 2020 when it didn't go his way.

>>17823194 (OP)
funny how wrong this retard turned out to be

>>17827048
>he wouldn't have shown such a blatant contempt for it in 2020 when it didn't go his way.
He just had a crashout on social media and his retarded followers took that as a call to arms. To try and bring this back on the topic of (& Humanities) I think what happened in 2020 can't be blamed on any single individual, but rather a greater societal disease of social media creating echo chambers where radical ideas are allowed to fester through misinformation

>>17827054
The attempt to overturn the election was moreso in him asking Pence to throw out the results

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/03/us/politics/pence-trump-election-jan-6.html

>>17827050
Russia has invaded and been involved in multiple conflicts in Eastern Europe since 1991 and before this as the USSR. Fukuyama was not a stranger to Slavs killing eachother when he said that anon

>>17827056
In any case, this will be his last term, and I don't think he's going to try and pull off an attempt to change term limits, he has too big of a hurdle to leap at that point, I don't even think his most braindead boomer followers would even support that. I mean I don't even think he could physically run again even if he wanted to, the man is in his 80s and barely coherent. In fact, he's been suspiciously abscent from the media compared how he was at around the same point of his first term, which tells me he's pretty much done

>>17827064
I agree. I think the best he can do is hope Vance wins, and rule by proxy through him, but I think Trump is done after this term.

>>17823194 (OP)
>>17823603
>>17824435
>>17824259
Fukuyama fucked up because he gave his essay a clickbait title and now everyone thinks "haha this retard thought there will be no conflict or anything interesting in the future".

This was not at all his point.

Fukuyama used Hegel's conception of history. Hegel believed that history (through the process of dialectic) moves towards greater and greater freedom of the human spirit. According to Fukuyama and many others, the Cold War aka Communism vs. Liberal Capitalism was the last example of this dialectic. However, this dialictic did not result in a synthesis, instead Capitalism just won.

So Fukuyama concluded that Liberal Capitalism represents the greatest possible freedom for the human spirit, and thus the end point of the Hegelian concept of history (progress towards greater freedom through dialectic). He didn't say that there will never be any conflict, just that new dialectics will represent regression towards less freedom.

He didn't even say that this end of history is a good thing, in the essay he kind of laments that this shitty system is the best (most free) we will get and that people who realize this will fall into a dispair as they will correctly see there is no hope for a better future.

>>17827071
Hegel was also a retard though
Imagine believing in Hegelian dialectics in 1992
May as well start believing disease is caused by evil spirits and you can make rain if you dance hard enough

>>17823636
Pretty much what I've been noticing. A lot of people just want westerners to die because they can't get laid or something. Not our problem.

>>17824459
Yet if we question whether North Korea is democratic or not we get called an ignorant westerner, curious.

>>17823194 (OP)
>western liberal democracy
Is this guy so stupid to now realize this is just a cover for capitalism, ie plutocracy?