Thread 17828423

Explain your reasoning.

>>17828423 (OP)
Thebes. Because they have the coolest founding myth. Plus gay.

>>17828423 (OP)
Athens, because they were actually civilized and didn't LARP as le epic farmers. And yes, civilization means living in a CITY.

Priene, cos of it's neat city planning. I had to write about it for uni and it gave me an appreciation for the place

>>17828449
Tell us more. What's nice about it?

>>17828462
Neatly designed on a grid by Pythius of Priene, the architect who would later go on to lead the construction of the mausoleum at Halicarnassus. All it's citizens were given the exact same sized houses and land, in order to reflect the democratic ideals of the city, these were given out (possibly) by lottery to the original colonists. Though that later got messed up as richer citizens brought up their neighbours land and renovated their houses.

>>17828423 (OP)
Macedon
>"But they were barbar-"
They were allowed to compete at the Olympics, they are Greek enough.

>>17828423 (OP)
Corinth. Interesting underdog geopolitical position, prominent role in most of the major ancient conflicts, tragic end.

>>17828531
They were perhaps Hellenic, but a kingdom and not a city state.

>>17828536
Fine then I choose Syracuse, it had some notable inventors and was the greatest bulwark against Carthage ruling the whole island of Sicily.

>>17828423 (OP)
Miletus, because they colonized the farthest reaches of the Black Sea and established ties with the world of the Steppe. Imagine a heart of darkness type story about the crew of a Milesian trireme sailing up the Don river to reestablish contact with some remote trading post, sinking deeper and deeper into depravity as the Scythian wilderness consumes them.

Rhodes. They kept the spirit of democracy alive when all other Hellenes were under the thumb of Macedonian god-kings.

Aegina. Useful for Themistocles to convince Athenians to invest in a naval fleet. Without them Greece would have fallen to the Persians and we would all be brown.

>>17828423 (OP)
Persia. The world would've been better off had they won.
>"It was much more fortunate if Persians became masters (Herr) of the Greeks, than the very Romans." (SW, 8/65) In this note Nietzsche reveals, once more, his radical opposition to the Greek metaphysical thought, as developed by Socrates and Plato, which later, by supremacy of the Greek culture inside the Roman Empire, became dominant and then integrated into the other-worldly, 'nihilistic', tenets of Christianity. While, in his view, the dominance of the positive outlooks of the Persians toward worldly life and time would have prevented the prevalence of such a sinister event in human history.

>>17828423 (OP)
i love me some og Byzantium

>>17828423 (OP)
Argos or Corinth because they were the early power houses. Corinth had the sweet helmet, the first decent boats are dispute to come from one or the other. Argos is older though.

>>17828556
>>17828533
Interesting posts

>>17828423 (OP)
Syracuse.

Pantikapaion. It should have faded into obscurity, just another backwater colony surrounded by barbarians. Instead it thrived, becoming the capital of a kingdom that was the supreme power on the Pontic steppe and a major economic power in the rest of the Greek world. And then for them to last into the mid 300s AD, centuries after the rest of the Greeks had fallen? They were truly one of a kind.
>>17828449
>>17828505
This is really neat.

>>17828556
Love it and am going Miletus as well. Milesian school, birth of Greek philosophy. Anaximander. Going Miletus, Samos, Athens, Phocaea, Syracuse. People sleep on Phocaea, I think they've got what it takes.

Which one had the most femboys?

>>17828431
They're traitors who stole the mandate from Sparta.

>>17829007
>[[[Athenian]]] says Spartans are losers and Thebans are gaybois

Congratulations on spreading 2300 year old propaganda.

>>17828531
Incorrect, the royal family was allowed to compete, not the Macedonian people themselves. It was essentially a face saving compromise, the Macedonians weren't Hellenes, but the greeks couldn't refuse the Kings demand to participate without causing shit, no one wants start a war over the fucking discus throw. So they used that legendary Greek logic to find a loophole that since the royal family used a myth about being descended from Heracles for legitimacy, that the royal family counted as Greeks for the purposes of the games.

>>17828531
Macedon isn't a city state you retard.
>>17829160
It also worked the other way around. Under Alexander and the later Hellenistic rulers, Macedonians viewed themselves as separate from and superior to the Greeks.

>>17828423 (OP)
Syracuse had neat Tyrants and all I know about ancient greece comes The Prince.

Where did Ancient Greeks go on vacation? Egypt?

>>17829431
probably not, iirc even they had laws against boyfucking

>>17828423 (OP)
Syracuse followed by Thebes

Athens, unquestionably. Best literature.

Taras because of the dolphin symbol lol

Holy fuck at faggots, no one said Sparta. Sparta mogs all simple as

>>17829007
>The mandate
Chinks are retarded

Samos, because pirates

>>17828431
They had also the coolest military history sometimes acting like German allies in Napoleonic wars, sometimes like revolutionary French and sometimes like Carthaginians

>>17828423 (OP)
Miletus
>explain
Pic rel.

>>17830677
did they have something in the waters that made them super smart? Like anti-fluoride?

>>17829710
Reddit take

>>17829710
Sparta has the best women for sure, and one of the best cultures. They rank pretty close with Argos and Corinth.

Phrygia because #4 is best mode

>>17830677
Maybe that's why everyone was leaving. Too many nerds back home.
>>17829710
Sparta is neat for being weird and respectable for generally being cautious and moral when dealing with other cities, but having them as a favorite is a bit much. I always like to imagine "Would I want to be a citizen here?" when thinking about the poleis and for Sparta it's always a no. At least they led to Taras though, they were pretty neat.

>>17831368
>Would I want to be a citizen here
You could lord of helot slaves. Imagine coming home to your domicile and a field of men start kneeling and raising the palms of their hands up, fetching you water or whatever you need, and they all think you're some kind of superhuman God.

Thessalonica, because it was one of the first to convert to the Truth.

IHSV.

>>17831378
I despise sycophantic behavior in others and I suspect those that desire it are servile and weak themselves. You wouldn't pass the agoge with that type of mindset either.

>>17828423 (OP)
I want to not just say athens because it's athens and that's pretty cliche but yeah for me, it's athens
everything happened in athens. 90% of what we even "know" about sparta was just a bunch of athenians imagining shit so they could hold it up as a kind of literary foil to athens

>>17831347
1. phrygia was not greek
2. phrygia was not a city state
3. phrygian is the third mode not fourth
see me after class

>>17828423 (OP)
syracuse

>>17828431
for me it is Thebe (Anatolia)

>>17828423 (OP)
Iolcus. The story of the Argonauts sailing to Colchis and back is pure kino

>>17828505
>it's citizens were given the exact same sized houses and land, in order to reflect the democratic ideals of the city, these were given out (possibly) by lottery to the original colonists. Though that later got messed up as richer citizens brought up their neighbours land and renovated their houses
No joke that's how Tel Aviv was started in Israel as well (and how it also ended up lmao)

>>17828423 (OP)
Ithaca because Ulysses himself was always my favorite, but also Syracuse because I'm intrigued by Greek colonization and the whole story of how a settler colony developed into its own identity and Metropole

>>17829434
Nah, ancient Egyptian influence on Greek art is well attested and we even have their trashy tourist graffiti carved on ruins

>>17829710
Snyderjeet take

>>17829710
Too many people redpilled on the Spartan Mirage.

>>17828423 (OP)
Byzantion