Thread 17835331

Why were Irish and Italian immigrants met with such extreme prejudice when they first arrived in America? Was it because they were poor, because they were Catholic, or a mix of both? Or is it that Americans simply dislike seeing others rise up the social ladder in a classist sense?

Also, did the Portuguese who went to other Western European countries for comparable reasons in the post-WWII era face similar discrimination? How bad was their experience back then?

>>17835331 (OP)
All of the above plus there were so many of them. The U.S. was comfortable with small numbers of these populations, especially if they were more affluent and educated. Lorenzo da Ponte, who wrote operas with Mozart and chased women with Casanova, was a celebrity in New York City. There were Irish Catholics among the leaders of the Revolution. The unskilled unwashed masses stumbling onto the docks were not so welcome.

spaniards:
>brown but at least aren't criminals + don't emigrate in huge numbers
greeks:
>brown but at least aren't criminals + don't emigrate in huge numbers
shartalians:
brown + criminal + emigrate in huge numbers + still refuse to call themselves americans centuries later

>>17835331 (OP)
>Why were Irish and Italian immigrants met with such extreme prejudice when they first arrived in America? Was it because they were poor, because they were Catholic, or a mix of both? Or is it that Americans simply dislike seeing others rise up the social ladder in a classist sense?

Yes to all three. Also they were not Anglo or even Teutonic.

>>17835331 (OP)
Hating Sh*talians is natural reaction to meeting one

>>17835372
I'm French and short answer yes. Maybe not as bad as there were no lynchings nut they were and still are looked down upon to some extent

>>17836255
greeks were lynched

>>17835372
Germany here, yes. They are still socially closer to Arabs and such than to natives.

Most Americans at that time had British roots and bongs have irrational hatred for Irish and scots(but love Pakistanis, reason why they imported almost all of them into their island)

>>17836255
Why?

>>17836276
What’s the origin of the conflict between the Irish and the English? And why do the English look down on the Irish?

>>17836276
>irrational hatred for Irish
>irrational

>>17836340
What's wrong with the Irish? I've met some who are decent people. Please refrain from using non argument hyperbole like 'they're spiritually brown' or some shit like that

>>17836334
its anti BIPOC hatred

>>17835331 (OP)
The simple answer is that there were a lot of them and they were foreigners
That's it. That's literally the answer to every xenophobic reaction ever. It does not matter what ethnicity it is, if too many of them move somewhere then there will be a negative reaction to it. Even Australians with English ancestry will complain about "Pom" (Aussie slang for Brits) immigrants sometimes.
People overcomplicate this topic for assorted retarded reason, but it's just that: Americans were xenophobic to Irish and Italians because millions of Irish and Italians showed up and they had a foreign culture

>>17836276
>and bongs have irrational hatred for Irish and scots
>and Scots
Nice try, Alex Salmond's ghost, but Scots were literally never discriminated against like the Irish were. Britain already had a Scottish Prime Minister by the 1750s, along with various Scotsmen serving as Governors and Viceroys across the Empire.

>>17836358
You didn't answer my question.

>>17836351
Crime, disease, corruption, papism etc...

>>17836417
>>17836351
Used as human cattle to depress wages for the average person

>>17836351
Irish were shipped out of essentially feudal conditions into industrialized cities and immediately formed ethnic gangs to rob people despite the cities literally feeding and housing them. They were the 19th century equivalent of a rapefugee

>>17836417
>>17836421
>>17836421
What about Italians then? I don’t know anyone from there, but I know it was mostly southern Italians who went to America, same as the Irish, looking for a better life. Were they treated the same way back then?

>>17836448
Also meant for >>17836425

>>17836448
Same story. Biggest mass lynching in the us was because Italians were imported into an area to fuck over the locals

>>17836448
Italians and Irish had intrinsically criminal cultures where roaming packs of feral wops and micks would extort their own people. This didn't stop once they came to the US and many of them were extorted for things like rent. This also meant they has no qualms about extorting other races or squeezing them for cash. This also meant once they got an ounce of institutional power they turned it into an embezzlement scheme

There's a reason all unions in the US are run by wops and micks and they are the stereotypical cop/fireman/public servant because they would just sit on their ass all day and eat donuts until they could get their pension. Or if they were lucky the mob would bribe them and they'd make 10x more than they used to

Also a lot of very violent anarchists were Italians. They immigrated to a strange country and became bomb chucking motherfuckers

>>17836482
Very typical of the rabble the establishment was importing for cheap labor into the Midwest to be communists

>>17836351
This is what the average Irishman looks like, there's no 'spiritually' about it

>>17836461
This really reminds me of old English traditions where unemployed men around Christmas would hold a mummer's show which was supposed to pay for their food the rest of winter and they would "rely" on the locals to pay up. If they didn't pay they'd bring their plows and plow up their entire yard

>>17836482
Americans for better or worse have this mamma mia spaghetti and mobsters stereotype of Italians but view them as politically and culturally “conservative” yet they were the most extreme anarchists by far. Sacco and Vanzetti, Luigi Galleani, Carlo Tresca, and many more…
https://www.nebraskapress.unl.edu/potomac-books/9781640124042/americas-forgotten-terrorists/

>>17836529
Most Americans don't know that communist immigrants in the US founded their international communist holiday by blowing up cops

>>17836531
and they just as well could have been illegals, I bet at least half are

>>17836378
This. The Scots and Scotch Irish had no problems. Discrimination against Scots was restricted to Gaelic highlanders, which lowlander Scots even discriminated against.

>>17836581
that's why they don't like each other i suppose.

>>17836584
Highlanders are essentially a dead race outside of the Hebrides now. The clearances and economics drove most of them to the central belt and they mixed/assimilated.

>>17835331 (OP)
You have to ask yourself what kind of people would seek a fresh start in a new world when all the hard work there has already been done

>>17836276
>bongs have irrational hatred for Irish
We don't though. The British are very fond of the Irish. They're not even treated like foreigners when they come to live here

>>17836334
The Irish are not looked down upon here.

>>17836351
Nothing is wrong with the Irish. Irish/Anglo rivalry appears to be a mostly American phenomenon. The Irish dislike the UK conservative party and the England football team. And the British have no negative opinions about the Irish at all.

>>17836460
>>17836482
So you showed unwarranted hostility toward the Irish and Italians, then acted surprised when they formed tight knit groups focused solely on their communities’ interests and even joined radical Marxist movements? I’m not trying to draw a parallel here; I just want to understand how you arrived at that conclusion without seeing it as dumb.

>>17836609
What about the Welsh though

>>17836623
>>17836609
The english has become so effeminate it's not even funny

>>17836645
>foreigner comes over
>doesn't respect law
>brings disease
>depresses wages

Why should they be welcomed

>>17836651
all the normal english moved to one of its colonies

>>17836663
The one that was meant to be a dumping ground for criminal convicts aka Australia?

>>17835331 (OP)
Brown, Catholic, brown, act like animals, brown

>>17836645
maybe they stop voting democratic and turn cities they settled into corrupted shitholes did we really forget that part when micks and wops were demonratic strongholds for 150 years

>>17836676
the UK did that to all its colonies

>>17836645
>unwarranted

>>17835372
Portuguese in the US experienced that similar discrimination when they came here. There were isolated pockets who came to southern New England and California and the pushback was halfway between what Italians got back in the day and what Fox News types think of Hispanics.

>>17835331 (OP)
non-white immigration was frowned upon at that time

I haven’t seen any response that truly answers OP’s question except for what anon >>17836367 said.

It feels like, overall, people genuinely resent seeing foreigners succeed while they themselves are stuck and can’t make any meaningful progress in their own lives.

>>17836730
>>17836855
Southern Italians and Irish aren’t white to you?

>>17836875
Mate the US cities were nothing but importing people for labor. Every time you imported a new group it undercut the last group. The thing that set out the Irish and Italians was the sheer volume and their almost compete reliance on the US not to die

>>17836875
>Southern Italians and Irish aren’t white to you?
Correct.

>>17836531
Blowing up cops is pretty based though ngl

>>17836320
They work as construction workers + they are browner

>>17836461
People forget the stranglehold the mob had on american cities. They ran las vegas, Los Angeles, Chicago, Cleveland, NYC, Philly and New orleans. Everyone in those cities were associated with them. Poeple forget people ran away form major cities not just to get away from niggers. But from the mob too.

>>17837533
90% of italian americans live in jew york city

Italians identify as Italian not america even 200 years after migration.
Same for Italians in Argentina

>>17837611
But most Argentines are of Italian descent

>>17836261
Where?

>because they were poor
and dumped wages
/thread

>>17837643
wop jersey

>>17836358
Hang yourself kike.

>>17836651
Says you a retarded faggot.

>>17837781
Yet your country is ran by arabs and pakis some of the weakest people on earth

>>17837828
What country?

>>17837611
an anglo would sooner side with a kike or an african over an italian.

>>17837899
and its a good thing

no one wants to be around stinky hairy arrogant wops

>>17837902
whiter than you mutt.

>>17837906
most faggot picture i saw at this website and watched actual gay porn

>>17835331 (OP)
They were numerous, poor, and Catholic.

But the biggest reason they were hated was economic. Such a mass influx of cheap labor lowered the wages of the white laborers already here.

If you were an educated man in a white color job, they weren't really a threat. But you bet your ass a grunt laborer would be pissed they were taking jobs for half the wages.

Big business owners always love immigrants who'll take jobs for half the wages. The native born laborers not so much.

>>17837899
>>17837899
Not usually the case. In the hierarchy of races, niggers are in the bottom. Jews are a hit and miss bunch, most are not the stereotype in my opinion and they're just normal people (with a bit more family money).

Italians are pretty goddamn close to white people culturally. No one still has a beef with them except for you. The Italians have amazing food and they tend to gesture with their hands more than normal whites, but otherwise, they're pretty much fully assimilated to American culture in every way.

Now contrast this with the negro who's little more than an urban ape. Too primitive to function in modern society. They typically *are* the stereotype and would rob their own mother for another crack rock.

Seriously man, no one has a beef with Italians or Irish anymore. It's to the point, I'm convinced you have to be trolling.

>>17837969
You will never have an ethnostate.

>>17837970
Neither will you

>>17837923
>at this website
SARRRRRRRRRR

>>17837969
You will never be white and ungreasy Massimo

Vinnie Paz, sicilian mudslime convert who makes rap videos about kikes and government lying

>>17837992
You're getting your posters mixed up.

I ain't an Italian, I'm as Mick as they come.

>>17836334
the english invaded ireland, ireland resisted
that's it, that's literally all there is to it

>>17836461
>Italians and Irish had intrinsically criminal cultures
it's not intrinsic when it was introduced to them

>>17835331 (OP)
Because Anglos have a deep hatred for both, for different reasons

>>17835331 (OP)
>Was it because they were Catholic
Yes. That's 99% of the reason.
A wave of migrants is liked by nobody, but if they weren't catholics they'd have received comparable hate to germans and scandis.

>>17837643
kansas

>>17837766
you're indian

>>17836875
>Southern Italians and Irish aren’t white to you?
The definition of white is "whoever I like" anon.

>>17836482
>and became
Most foreign born anarchists in the US were exiles though, hardened political terrorists running away from multiple countries' police.
No becoming involved, they just kept doing the same shit they had been doing in half a dozen euro countries before crossing the pond.

>>17835331 (OP)
Seeing images like this, I don't blame Italians for their chimpouts. Your whole ethnicity became fair game when you allowed this to be published.

>>17838065
eat shit moormutt

>>17838065
newspapers trolled and mocked everyone back then

>>17838200
Crude ethnic mockery was the order of the day, in vaudeville, music, cartoons and every other form of popular culture, and no one was spared, from upper crust WASPs to the latest losers fresh off the boat.

>>17838065
they weren;t bullied enought they are truly kikes bur dumber nad browner

>>17836334
England has had colonists in Ireland for like 800 years. Originally they viewed the Irish as uncivilized barbarians and seethed that their own colonists eventually adopted Irish culture and language. After the reformation, they despised the Irish even more for remaining Catholic, so not only were they barbarians, but they were infidel barbarians as well. In England they had a reputation for being underhanded terrorists because they resisted England both militarily, and after the penal laws, through clandestine political organization.

In the USA both Irish and Italians were suspect primarily because they were Catholic however. There was a major current of thought that Catholics were a secret 3rd column who would always answer to the Pope before any elected official, which Americans viewed as incompatible with representative democracy. Aside from that, they viewed the Irish similarly as well organized political subversives, and Italians as anarchist terrorists in addition to Catholic third columnists

>>17835331 (OP)
https://youtu.be/2L1kLt5uyPk

>>17837969
>more than an urban ape. Too primitive to function in modern society
Rural redneck towns are modern society I guess

Now Americans want to pretend and beg for support from any European nation like Ireland Italy and Finland in order to save "da white race" even though the retarded klan faggotry lynching Europeans had a part to play on their mutt future

>>17838611
Negros all live in the city and cities are complete shit hole hellscapes because of them.

>>17838272
Most anti-Irish sentiment in the UK dates to the time of the famine, when thousands flooded into the expanding industrial towns and undercut locals' wages

>>17835331 (OP)
>because they were Catholic
This. The Catholics were pushing the insane idea that non whites can be part of the body of Christ by eating juice and crackers. Later the mainline Protestant denominations also fell to the same heresy, so today there is effectively no reason for there to even be a distinction between the two.

>>17838200
Everyone was getting mag dumped over missed kickbacks back in the day, too.

>>17836351
They are physically and spiritually brown

They weren't white Anglo-Saxon protestants, thus the descendants of said white, Anglo-Saxon protestants despised them as culturally foreign to the United States, and they were right.

>>17835331 (OP)
Because they were disproportionately criminals, and the "but they're criminals because they're poor and have nothing and this means they have to join gangs and be antisocial!" didn't work because there were plenty of other immigrant groups that also had jack shit but did not get involved in crime to anywhere near the same extent.

>>17838065
Most Italians likely could not even read English well enough to figure out they were being mocked.

>>17837611
>Italians identify as Italian not america even 200 years after migration.
They identify as American, Italians are among the most conservative and patriotic groups in the nation while WASPs fall prey to self-loating liberal nonsense.

>>17839301
The initial wave of Italians to America behaved similarly to Jews. They formed clannish enclaves within American cities, didn't participate in the same public religion as everybody else, having their own private places of worship, spoke their own language among themselves, and were generally dishonest in dealing with outsiders to their kin-groups.

>>17839312
t. has never been to staten island

>>17839312
>They identify as American, Italians are among the most conservative and patriotic groups in the nation
Lol. Italian Americans are second only to Irish Americans in LARPing as a fresh off the boat immigrant despite their family having been here for more than 150 years. In some ways they are even worse, cause at least Irish Americans don't affect a phony accent or insist on cooking only Irish food.

>>17839317
>>17839322
cope

>>17839322
Italian food is fucking great though. If I had time to prepare it properly every day I'd also eat nothing but Italian food.

>>17839322
Irish food sucks. Northern Europe is only good for desserts.

>>17839322
irish don't have food.

>>17839331
Italian food is why I always supported the Italians unironically.
If Spain got replaced by nafris, and Ireland got replaced by palestinians, I would never care so long as I could get a nice big ol tomato pie. Those guys can do with a little bleaching and the beans/micks can do with halal food law anyway.

>>17839330
Trump is a kike puppet.

>>17839336
Yes, that is a contributing reason for why they left Ireland.

>>17835331 (OP)
>Add garlic what make for him stronga da mus'
Add garlic, which makes for him strong(er)...?

Any ideas? "The must"? That doesn't make sense

>>17839338
>If Spain got replaced by nafris, and Ireland got replaced by palestinians,

Hello kike.

>>17838790
The city is the symbol of human excellence

>>17839392
Sure whatever. I probably am more of a Jew than modern day whites claiming to be Jews. I don't like any of you and I will cheer once I see black flags flying over your capital cities

>>17835331 (OP)
Compare 1800s immigrants:
Italian and Irish Papists move to established Eastern cities. The cities invariably became worse.

Germans and Scandinavians moved to the frontier, which turned from an unlivable icescape into a literal utopia.

I wonder why Italians and Irish were hated compared to Germans and Scandinavians?

>>17839841
Not to mention, both Germans and Scandinavians had a long history in the US before the massive waves of Irish and Italians later on. They weren’t new to the American framework.

>>17839349
The most, as in garlic makes him the strongest?

>>17839824
when it's populated and controlled by high IQ aryans, yes

>>17839824
I have been to San Francisco and it was good, not bad.

>>17839841
>an unlivable icescape into a literal utopia
Nobody wants to live in the "frontier". 1 room flats in the bay area cost 500k minimum

>>17839917
Wait, so you're telling me people are cherrypicking single streets on a city on their worst days and using that to generalize a metropolitan area of nearly 10 million people?

>>17836276
>irrational
Hatred towards the irish is completely justified and wise

>>17839883
garlic doesn't even come from italy

>>17839924
Yeah, I scoured San Francisco and only found like 5 junkies. I even drove through the street where junkies hang out and found like 2 or 3 in total.

>>17840196
It is extremely easy to get shot in san fran if you don't know exactly where to go

>>17835491
it kinda hit me weird when i read your post and realized that mozart was active at the same time as the us was being formed, although that's obvious

>>17840202
Nobody in SF gang bangs like that. They're soft. They are not killer hood niggers like in the South or in LA. They just bip cars and do vandalism.

>>17839894
So not at all what cities are today?
>>17839917
>>17839924
Every single city has large areas that are complete run down shit holes where only niggers live. 1000 times more dangerous and dirty than any rural community. The “good” parts are the equivalent amusement parks with façades so rich people can visit and then promptly fuck off to their gated mansion.

>>17839849
>They weren’t new to the American framework.

Neither were the Irish who were in America since the beginning of European colonisation there.

>>17835331 (OP)
Never ever an Spaniards ever put a foot in the US because of economic needs since the times of conquistadors when the US didn´t exist.

The Spanish promised land was and will be always Patagonia.

>>17840686
Gaelic Irish were. All of the “Irish” before the 1840s were Scotch Irish, which is a bad name for them because they were really Scottish and some English descended Protestants who colonized Ireland for two or three generations before going to America. The Scotch Irish were completely different from the Gaelic, Catholic mere Irish.

Where do anglos get the gall to say who’s white or not or to look down on others? Italians lap them in culture, history, art, cuisine, music etc etc. I’m not white so I can talk without bias. What are those pink slugs from the godforsaken island even known for besides pillaging and barbarically wiping out a populations . Most misplaced sense of superiority.

>>17835331 (OP)
Humans are masters of racism. Everyone can be light-skinned, and they will find a way to be racist. Even in countries like Japan, where pretty much everyone is the exact same race/type of race, they find out ways to be racist. They discriminate against people based on their blood type. It's a real thing.

>>17835331 (OP)
Anglos are demonic and deserves a payback for every genocide they caused.

>>17840205
Mozart outlived Benjamin Franklin by more than one year

They disliked German immigrants too despite them being white northern European and not urban criminal mafia types like Italians and Irish. I've read about how in the Civil War native-born American soldiers disliked Germans and considered them an otherkin race.

>>17839312
it's true that I-As nowadays are mostly a Republican bloc while Irish have always been and continue to be mostly Democrats.

>>17840936
here's the clinker. German-Americans actually mostly did not assimilate, at least not the 48ers. there were entire towns in the Midwest where German was the main language spoken and there were German language newspapers. that only ended during WW1 when they were (literally) beaten into assimilating. also like Italians German immigrants were significantly involved in socialist and anarchist movements back then.

>>17837969
>Jews are a hit and miss bunch, most are not the stereotype in my opinion and they're just normal people (with a bit more family money)
There is a big difference between Central European Jews and Pale of Settlement ones and speak of racism, but the former have always hated the latter and consider them little more than barbarians.

>>17837533
The Mafia's power was vast back in the day only declined after RICO statutes and because the younger generation of mobsters were weaker and dumber than their elders.

northern and southern Italians are also very different

>>17840957
I think there’s also a difference between the ones that came from Naples and Sicily and the ones from a bit further north like Abruzzo.

>>17840943
Italians tended to be entrepreneurs and business owners (not necessarily legitimate business owners but business owners nonetheless) which made them more of a natural Republican bloc while Irish were blue collar workers or held government jobs so they were more naturally Democrats. With Jews even though some Republican ones have always existed especially if they're business owners most of them became Democrats because (especially) Eastern European ones with a memory of pogroms disliked the Republican Party's historical ties to evangelical Christianity. It is perhaps significant that of all Democrat presidential candidates in the last 100 years, Jimmy Carter got the least amount of Jewish votes perhaps because he was one of the more openly Christfag presidents and a lot of Jewish voters didn't like that.

>>17840696
Scots-Irish is a meme term, they were lowlander Scots.

>>17840205
it's because the US was considered an irrelevant backwater up until like, ww1

>>17835331 (OP)
because they were catholic

>>17840650
You've never been outside your billboard infested gas station

>>17841027
Scotch Irish is only a meme because it implies Irishness. They became their own group though upon migrating and settling Ireland. They were Irish, but they weren’t the same as their cousins in Scotland anymore—same as WASPs in America being different from their cousins in Britain. They were a culturally distinct and identifiable group despite sharing the same descent.

>>17841468
I’ve lived in a metro area of more than a million people. And I lived in the ghetto at several points in my life. I’m glad I don’t live there anymore. Rural life is superior to city “dwelling” in every way. Enjoy dealing with niggers, high taxes, and high costs of living. I own a home in my twenties. Can you say the same? I would never

>>17841518
A mere million is basically a town these days

>>17835331 (OP)
Italians were Indians of 19th century and were rightfully hated for that. Name 1(one) city which shitalian "americans" didn't culturally enriched into a shitter

>>17839312
>>17839330
>voting for Trump
>patriotism

maybe thats why everyone hate you fat brown dago mutant

Since we’re still on the topic and the thread hasn’t been archived yet, what was the experience of Greek immigrants like? Did they face harsh treatment and social exclusion?

>>17841716
Greeks didn't really do anything except start shitty greasetrap diners. Seriously that's what they all did/do in my experience.

>>17841716
they were lynched and persecuted much more than dago wops but you never hear of that

>>17841716
People associated Greeks with Plato so they gave them more privileges than they deserved

>>17841716
They took out a bunch of loans from Germans they never paid back
Turns out American Greeks are no different from Euro Greeks

>>17841734
i think some also worked in the merchant marine since shipping was a big industry in their homeland

>>17836378
>>17836581
you're both retards
lowland scots = englishmen in all but name
highland scots = true scots
after culloden, via the highland clearances the english (and lowland """scots""") effectively genocided the highland scots such that true scottish culture was almost entirely wiped out. It was ironically revived in the 19th century by the english themselves, who suddenly began to romanticise the very same culture they had previously done their best to exterminate. The english brutalised the scots, don't let anyone tell you otherwise, although it pales in comparison to what they did to the irish
>t. franco-british individual knowledgeable on the matter

Bump

this is an italian

>>17842641
Why are you shitting up the thread by posting sluts here? Gtfo

>>17842709
go cook me a pizza you smelly sandnigger

>>17842716
That doesn’t say much about the region’s genetic makeup, since most of the Moors and Jews were expelled from the Iberian Peninsula anyway. Are you genuinely going to argue that white Argentinians living in the far south of the country aren’t white?

>>17842716
debunked, faggot subhuman
http://archive.is/Hb8em

>>17842118
Lowland Scots had surnames like Hill, -son (Jackson, Johnson, Allanson, etc) and had different phenotypes than Highland Scots, who have Mac surnames like MacDougall, MacKenzie, etc. It seems that Canada had a lot of them as those Mac surnames are very common there.

>>17835331 (OP)
Anglos hating on Irish and Italians is like Poles hating on Russians and Serbs.
Theyre all the same qualitatively.
Look at how hard England, Ireland, and Italy jobbed against actual Whites from Scandinavia and Germany.

>>17836425
you're describing sicilians.

>>17840946
Germans always formed a large part of the farming community outside the South, farming was one of the biggest professions they did.

>>17841468
>>17841609
Don’t know why my post was deleted. I’ll reiterate; I’ve lived in cities and it SUCKS. Constant crime, high taxes, and high cost of living.

the most famous italian in america is a coalburner who most people think is a beaner.

>>17836276
bongs absolutely do not love pakistanis, they were forced on them and complaining about it gets them put behind bars

get raped by niggers.

>>17842118
Drastic retardation and over simplification. Northern England differs greatly from the rest of England, let alone Scotland from the rest of England.

>>17835331 (OP)
Artist accidentally depicted himself as a chinless, vape-smoking basedjak

>>17842709
>sluts
shes 17 you creep

>>17837906
>Here, look at my hairless legs and delicate feet, CHUD!

Holy fuckeroni.

you want to be white so badly. the cope is 1000x more pathetic than amerimutts. i've been to northern italy and southern italy. you look nothing like french people, germans. even albanians occasionally resemble white people. you're all intermixed with nafris. it's a historic fact you delusional muhammadan.

>>17842975
ah but that's an entirely different can of worms anon, regional differences in england and scotland is entirely different from the simple fact that ethnically, linguistically, culturally and politically, lowland scots were (and are) closer to england than they were to the highland scots, case in point, they cooperated with and were a major player in the highland clearances targeting highland scots.

My core argument is that you can't say "the english and scottish always got along" based on lowland scots getting along with english people whilst ignoring what the highland scots (true scots) endured

>>17843032
>whiter than you are

>>17837969
>Italians are pretty goddamn close to white people culturally

Culturally, the whole western world was shaped after Italic/Greek culture; being from Italy/Germany/France/UK is being as white as you can get.

>>17843920
My ancestry is
>1/4 Breton (celtic part of france
>1/4 Ardeche/Lyons (southeast-central france)
>1/4 Picard (Northern france)
>1/8 Italian
>1/8 Catalan
I quite like this combination

Bomp

>>17835331 (OP)
those immigrants are hated for being poor and foreign, that's it. It generally has nothing to do with national rivalries like anons in this thread think.

>>17835331 (OP)
because it was far more useful to pit immigrant workers against those natural-born at a time where industry was centralising and thusly as was labour in it's militancy, there's a reason these graphics're found in papers owned by industrialists

>>17846532
Well that's not "it". They were also criminals

>>17835331 (OP)
American today race war is more a caricature and comic, altrough before (that is in the XVIII and XIX century) it have real justifications like exceptionalism, religion, anti-europeanism, etc...

>>17846584
as is often the case with poor immigrants no matter their origin.

stop using the board to shill ur shit tranny race. Italians are garbage

>>17848652
>stop using the board to shill ur shit tranny race. Italians are garbage

>>>/mu/127067278
Meh they made some good music here and there.

>>17835331 (OP)
No race of immigrants truly assimilates they reshape their adopted country.