I don't feel good...

Based Magna Grecians and hellenized anatolians swarthying padanians so aryanoids feminists can't larp as renaissance artists in the last moments of their "civilization".

how are southern italians simultaneously roman and arab rapebabies?

>>17840937
They’re half Greco-Roman and half MENA.

>>17840894 (OP)
>isola sacra imperial mutts
>anatolia_hellenistic mutts
>literal greek speaking lebanese from lebanon
lmao

>>17840937
Because ancient greeks were swarthoids and they pull in the same direction. So you can model them as both depending on the populations you use. Imagine Ancient Greek ancestry is a -1, syrian ancestry is a -3, Italic ancestry is a +2, anatolian ancestry is a -2, central euro ancestry is a +3, and you have to reach 0. You can get there in various ways.

>>17840938
greeks were half mena, south italians are 10-20% proper mena at best

>>17840951
>sola sacra imperial mutts
Greco-romans
>anatolia_hellenistic mutts
Greeks
>literal greek speaking lebanese from lebanon
Phoenicians, not greco-romans yes

This guy is a midwit that knows almost nothing about archaeogenetics besides making these stupid G25 maps. He's Paolo Sizzi's protege if you want to call him that. He used to say Northern Italy was almost 100% ANF WHG and EEF and only Southern Italians have exotic components like CHG in any significant amount because he ignored all the papers on Northern Italy showing they could be modeled with over 10% Iran_N in favor of G25. And he used to want some stupid alliance with Iberians against Southern Italians. He threw a tantrum when someone made a qpadm model of Southern Italy as 60% Imperial Roman started calling Iberians siesta taking moors with sub saharan DNA. There are some other funny things about him too like he said Etruscans were Italic and Celts of Northern Italy were celticized Italics and now says the exact opposite.

Padanatolians are just not taking the truth about their genetics well, they are not some continuous Celtic population but mostly Northern shifted Imperial Romans that obtained additional admixture from Northern Europe from the Barbarian invasions. All the years of saying the terroni were Anatolian-Levantines and larping Celts even though they had this exact same DNA. Seeing their meltdown gives me and anyone else who is familiar with their antics such immense enjoyment. The cope is now that in Northern Italy this shift was caused entirely by Greeks but in Southern Italy it was Anatolians and Levantines from MENA.

And no the 25% isn't Imperial Romans. The 25% is just the isolated Eastern Mediterranean component. They are even more Imperial Roman than that when you account for the fact that actual ethnic Imperials were a mix of Italic and Eastern Mediterranean.

>>17840976
the isola sacra samples are incredibly mutted, half of them are literal levantines

>>17840980
he never insulted iberians, he admires iberians

>>17840980
The way of the autism leads from superficial autism to very in depth very time consuming autism, but still unimpactful as ever.
All this hate against southern Italians, calling everyone levantines, ending up being 25% levantine, and north italian indipendentism is weaker than it was 10 years ago (demographic causes also complicit).
I think they lost the way of padania-ism and became nordicist (to their own detriment) on the way.

>>17840987
Sizzi regularly insults iberians. He called alcaraz an half nigger basically. Idk about his protegé.

>>17840987
No, maybe in the past. He also made one of his G25 maps except for Berber admixture, it showed Iberia as 20% Berber or something ridiculous. Then he deleted it after the outrage.

https://x.com/CisalpinePride/status/1929273685291999579
https://x.com/CisalpinePride/status/1929275454734598486

>>17840996
Yes, whenever he does his craniometria of Iberians now he says they have large north african influences and dark pigment. The admiration they had for Iberians is over and they hate them and say they are moorish mutts now because they only wanted to use them against terroni. They are mentally ill so they end up getting angry at then alienating everyone.

https://x.com/pavolsizz/status/1923457024165130512

>>17840951
>>anatolia_hellenistic mutts
Peak copium

>>17840894 (OP)
How the fuck are sardinians 100% european but terroni are 20-25% moors??

>>17840894 (OP)
yeah, Greco-Roman, as opposed to latin Roman

>>17841005
>No, maybe in the past. He also made one of his G25 maps except for Berber admixture, it showed Iberia as 20% Berber or something ridiculous. Then he deleted it after the outrage.
but it was a genuine mistake, not malicious, he only praises iberians

>Yes, whenever he does his craniometria of Iberians now he says they have large north african influences and dark pigment. The admiration they had for Iberians is over and they hate them and say they are moorish mutts now because they only wanted to use them against terroni. They are mentally ill so they end up getting angry at then alienating everyone.

that's not what he said, he said, he's saying that alcatraz in particular looks nafri, and he's right, most iberians would agree, but he's not saying anything about average iberians

>>17841009
>created using G25 tool
So a cope. Enough of this. Northern Italians have way more Iran_N and Natufian. Read some papers and learn admixtools yourself instead of coping with this hobbyist tool. The meme of pure white celtic north Italy and terroni levantines has been soundly discredited for a long time it's just the shittiness of G25 convinced people who wanted to believe it that it was true. Sardinians also have comparable Iran_N. G25 is truly garbage.

>>17841009
because the author considers anf 100% "white", if you do that sardinians will always turn out as some of the "whitest" europeans

>>17841040
Anf is literally peak swarthoid and intermediate. Moderate zagros and natufian component added to a pseudo sardinian base.

>>17841028
You don't speak italian but he often says that atlanto mediterraneans are only pure in north italy, and "terry" and "spanish" examples are mutted up by north african/levantine components.

>>17841055
i speak italian and i follow him, he never says anything bad against spaniards, alcatraz in particular looks nafri, he's not wrong, the average spaniard is different

>>17841057
Yeah you're coping. He often says spaniards are peculiarly dark because of nafri admix.
That mourinho looks like an indian.

>>17840894 (OP)
>GRECO-roman
>MAGNA GRECIA
Is this map supposed to surprise anyone?
Some people in terronia still speak a dialect of greek even.

>>17840992
>I think they lost the way of padania-ism and became nordicist (to their own detriment) on the way.
Padania was always a meme in northern Italy. It was just a tool to strong-arm the central government to give more local autonomy.
Not even Bossi believed the racialist bullshit, it was always theater (dude is literally married to a sicilian) to make a point.

Why distance to Africans is the best way of measuring 'whiteness':
>Natufian and Taforalt were not 'white' due to African admixture, otherwise it would be very similar to ANF
>Zagros also has additional African shift compared to CHG, but it's probably due to genetic drift instead of actual African admixture
Therefore Iberberians are niggers compared to Basques and not whiter than South Italians, evidenced by their dark pigmentation and negroid features.

>>17841031
your moor genes are fuming terun

>>17841061
he doesn't retard, he says spaniards are like north italians

https://x.com/pavolsizz/status/1894761397810037014
>it's you that are the larpers, because the south is the brother of greece, not northern italy, in northern italy at most tuscany and romagna tend towards the south, the rest (of northern italy) goes towards iberia and france. the cisalpine region is closer to the alps than the south. i'm sorry it's the truth

https://x.com/pavolsizz/status/1894757848015327356
>every area to the north of Po is closer to tyrol and south germany than to southern italy, but talking about germans is laughable, the lombards are, on a basic level, genetically similar to iberians and french, the south is similar to greeks, maltese, jews, and central italians. it's not just a "dialect" difference

>>17841092
true, iberians and north italians are europeans, the terronis are however mixed

>>17841090
overall european ancestry and closeness to the european core is more important, someone that is 97% swedish and 3% black will be closer to europe than someone that is 50% swedish 50% iranian and 0% black
cyprus is the least european of the european countries

>>17841079
The last bastion of north italian nationalism is entirely racial tho
True that it's mostly online.
>>17841092
He's making a point to own le central italians that aren't as easy as a target as southerners. Doesn't change the fact he thinks you are a bunch of niggers lmayo

>>17841092
iberimoors have nothing in common with us
I guess I'm more racist than sizzo

>>17841098
he's talking about southern italians, not central, look how he says, "you southern italians are closer to greeks, maltese, jews, and CENTRAL ITALIANS"
>Doesn't change the fact he thinks you are a bunch of niggers lmayo
i'm italian, sizzi doesn't say anything against iberians, you are literally inventing things

>>17841109
Suuuure, nothing at all :^)

>>17841108
sizzi hates southern italy not iberia, so your anti iberian pro south italy larp doesn't work here, the same goes for cisalpineHeritage, both wouldn't have any problems saying that southern italians are less white than iberians

>>17841091
how are you going to cope when the new paper comes out with samples from Roman Italy that show you are not Celts but 25%+ Anatolian-Levantine padanatolians northern shifted from the rape by Goths and Lombards that just cluster in a similar location

>>17841110
as i demonstrated, yes, he says that north italians are similar to iberians

>>17841109
I'm italian and iberimoors aren't european like us
just look at history
>>17841114
I don't give a shit about muh ancient rome unlike southrons and amerishart larpers

>>17841114
not him but the study says 50% italy_IA, 25% germanic and 25% imperial roman, so overall something like 15% middle eastern, i'll take it

>>17841118
I mean if you don't find insulting that he says spanish phenotypes often resemble sicilian ones (Guardiola) or they look indian (mourinho) or straight up negroids (Alcaraz) I guess he's not insulting you. You just have a very low bar for yourself I guess

>>17841119
>I'm italian and iberimoors aren't european like us
you are not italians, especially not a north italian, it's obvious, this muh iberia bad but south italy good is something no north italian would say, ever
>just look at history
history says that southern italy was full of imperial migrants

>>17841119
iberians are not only whiter than southern italians but also northern italians
>just look at history
the history of being raped by spain repeatedly and milan being owned by spaniards

>>17841126
Find me a study where it says specifically southern italy was impacted by imperial migrations, and not the rest of Italy or even Europe.

>>17841122
i'm not iberian, i'm italian, those people specifically look weird, that's not a statement on iberians, he often reviews north italian phenotypes and when they look arab he says it without any problem

>>17841126
did I say terronia good??
North italians are european, southeners are mutted >>17841009

>>17841128
iberians have literally moroccan genes of recent origin
their ancestors are moors

anything else is cope

>>17841131
No he doesn't, on his old account there was some guy who was north italian but he didn't know it and he said he had levantine influences. Then when he was informed he was northern he went back on it and suddenly changed his mind and actually he wasn't levantine anymore. I don't care about physical anthro since genetics exist but he's not even good at it.

>>17841128
Whiteness is just pigmentation, Paco. You are not whiter than anyone. Iberia has lower rates of light features than South Italy.

>>17841130
south italians resemble ashkenazi jews and a clearly bronze age west asian component, please dude, stop, i know you're probably not even south italian and want to just start shit, just do something else with your life okay?

>>17841131
Not true, for North Italians he says Litorid, for southern he says tauride
Holy larp

>>17841139
Clustering is not admixture or resemblance just like north italians are not celts for the same reason. As it's been said in this thread many times by now. You have the same exact BA Anatolian as south italians, a lot of it actually.

>>17841136
>did I say terronia good??
don't try, you said it here >>17841090

>iberians have literally moroccan genes of recent origin
iberians are similar to north italians, as sizzi himself says, they're european, this weird hate against iberians is not natural to us, and they also are irrelevant to us as italians unlike terronis with which we share a country, just stop it dude, i know you just want to start shit and are neither italian, south or north

>>17841138
>Whiteness is just pigmentation
this is jeet/arab cope that thinks being whiter than others make them closer to europeans
there is no gradient of europeaness you either are or you are not, you surely aren't

>>17841138
Greekjeet, stop.

>>17841145
that's not me lol, you must be schizoing with all the cope

>>17841141
holy liar, sizzi is objective, he's good at what he does, when a north italian looks arab he says it, when a south italian looks nordic like in the case of orsini he says it

>>17841151
According to him salvini doesn't look arab, but yes, super objective.
Thread full of cope.

>>17841147
It really needs to be evalued in the case of Iberians, because it puts into question whether WHG is 'white' or not. Paleo-Sardinian is WHG-admixed but does not look white and Sardinians are darker than South Italians. That's literally the only reason Iberians are closer to North Euros. Because they have a lot of the mega drifted WHG admixture which does not look white in certain cases.

>>17841153
salvini does not look arab
sizzi is not a "white supremacist", the dark features of salvini don't change his north med face structure

>>17841157
iberians have negro genes, that's THE problem

>>17841157
iberians are almost fully europeans, southern italians have more non european admixture, the mystery has been solved, now go, i know you just want to start shit and are not italian, south or north

>>17841158
AHAHAHAHHAHAHA
Ok

>>17841162
you are the OP that started this thread and then cry about getting buttblasted by trukes

>>17841121
No the study says 25% near eastern alone. Not 25% imperial roman. Did you even read it or are you stupid? No you're not celts you are fucking terroni mutts yourselves 20% raped by Goths. It is undeniable.

>>17840987
No that's wrong, Sizzi said that Alcaraz like many Spaniards had a SSA influenced phenotype.
He only liked Iberians for a short while for the reasons >>17840980 mentioned.

>>17841165
you reply makes me think you're not from southern europe

>>17841181
They aren't the only ones. Wait until they realize French niggers would be germans if not for the imperial component.

>>17841161
Greekjeet, you need to stop.
The axe has been buried, I do not seek conflicts with your kind anymore, you're having a one sided argument.

>>17841180
i'm not, i'm destroying OP that is making up lies about cisalpineHeritage and salvini, faggot, go away, we don't want to hear your whining against iberians, this is a thread about italy

retard, you can't even read, the 20% north european ancestry is added to a profile that is 3/4 italy_IA 1/4 middle eastern, therefore

it's 20% north european + 60% italy IA + 20% middle eastern

>>17841185
no, he likes iberians and always liked iberians, he said that north italians are genetically similar to iberians >>17841092
north italians don't have weird hate against iberians, they're irrelevant to us, plus we're not dumb terroni, we can look at a genetic chart and conclude iberians are europeans

>>17841181
retard, you can't even read, the 20% north european ancestry is added to a profile that is 3/4 italy_IA 1/4 middle eastern, therefore

it's 20% north european + 60% italy IA + 20% middle eastern

>>17841190
I'm italian
We have no sympathy for iberians or greekoids
you can stop with this mediterranean larping

>>17841200
Nice try LARPer. Una faccia, una razza.

>>17841200
you are not italian, stop trying to start shit in any thread about italy
no italian would randomly mention iberians in a conversation that has nothing to do with iberians, we are discussing here, do something better with your life

>>17841199
>we can look at a genetic chart and conclude iberians are europeans
What about autosomal, Paco? It does not look very good for you that way. Every European has "Near East" but only Iberians have a lot of SSA and North African.

>>17841200
I'm greek

>>17841199
>north italians don't have weird hate against iberians, they're irrelevant to us
yes because they are literal moor descendants but they always try to associate with us because of muh romans muh catholic muh med bros

>>17841199
Why do you insist with this?
That he hates Iberians less than Terroni is one thing but it doesn't mean he likes them.
I noticed that Padanatolians had a tendency to project their anti Terroni sentiment unto Iberians because they identify them as being similars.

>>17841210
Sir, your grandfather raped many european women. So much so that they started reading like that retard Plato and concluded he was norwegian.
It pains me to say this, but you aren't really european.

>>17841211
>>17841209
You are not Italian.

>>17841209
i'm italian, look at that genetic chart you posted, 0 to 10% of their genetics are north african, we can conclude that is not much and that explains why they plot in the european cluster

>>17841211
you are not italian, we don't care about iberians and they don't care about us, both north italians and iberians are largely european and plot in the european cluster that's it, you are trying to forcefully bring iberians into a conversation they don't belong

>>17841218
I decide who's european, not you
I descend from people who created the word, not (you) :^)
and you my friend will never be european

>>17841208
si che lo so
ti sto smerdando il filo perché mi và però tutto quello che dico è vero
gli spagnoli sono mori

>>17841224
What is the conversation about then?
You started this because someone made fun of sizzi calling the east med component levantine and then he came out as 25% levantine.
You've been sperging for a while

>>17841228
Being european is bad. The ship is sinking, their very liberal and feminist nature caught up to them in the long run.
I like Greeks that's why I'm telling you.

>>17841214
he doesn't hate iberians at all, he's at worst indifferent towards them

>I noticed that Padanatolians had a tendency to project their anti Terroni sentiment unto Iberians because they identify them as being similars.
not true at all

>>17841224
It's enough to make people think they are non-white. African genes are very dominant. One drop rule is a thing for a reason.

>>17841229
nice google translate but no, spaniards are largely european, way more than southern italians


>>17841232
look at the image OP posted, it's about italy, OP is lying about north italian poster and i'm exposing him, iberians are literally irrelevant, and it's very suspicious that you want to being them into the conversation

>>17841242
no, it's not enough, they are overall european, now stop trying to start shit, open another thread about iberia, this is about italy

>>17841187
That's egregious. IA Gauls were largely like modern French.

>>17841214
>because they identify them as being similars.
yes they are both inferior races
>>17841247
>can't even reply to me in italian
hahaha
the state of terronian education they don't even know how to read and write

>>17841258
Yeah but they got Germanic'ed. It's the same as north italy. The germanic component "draws" or "overshadows" the imperial contribution (the latter mostly in northern france) but all post antiquity french samples are slightly eastern shifted compared to IA samples.

don't most northern euro people have iran_N and anatolian anyways? why do retards on here think that if it says iran then they are persian or if it says anatolia then they are turkish

>>17841266
You're right Germanics and Imperial admixture both balance each other out. But ultimately French are mostly IA gaul with the two other contribution being relatively marginal.

>>17841264
>can't even reply to me in italian
and i won't, i don't care about your shitty google translate italian and i don't want to turn and english speaking thread into italian since you're not even italian, especially not a northern italian, you just want to make it look as if northern italians hated iberians and it would work better if we started speaking in italian even tho you're speaking in broken italian

>>17841268
Yes, this is why should make things simpler and measure total nigger admixture instead. Iberians are 1-3% nigger.

>>17841280
si perchè il traduttore si inventa parole come smerdare
sei tu quello che deve dimostrare di essere italiano

>>17841288
natufians can be modeled as being IBM + ANF
south Italians having a lot more natufians than iberians have IBM mean they have a lot more IBM like admixture, in addition to the actual IBM that all south Italians have.

>>17840937
After the "Re-unification" northern bankers needed an excuse as to why the South would remain poor from now on.

>>17841299
Not true, spaniard closter much closer to morrocans that are the actual peak of IBM than southern italians.
The IBM in natufian isn't so high as to override massive components like the spanish ones.

>>17841302
moroccans have a lot of iberians admixture due to the moriscos.
italians even some northern ones plot closer to algerians and tunisians

>>17841293
i don't have to, we can talk in italian on /int/ if you want
>>>/int/212758652
see my comment about what you said

now stop larping

>>17841237
>>17841247
>>17841264
>>17841280
ti è stato dimostrato tante volte qui che a Sizzi non piacciono gli iberici, Sizzi dice spesso cose cattive sugli iberici, e tu continui a negarlo come un pazzoide autistico e stupidissimo nonostante le prove, ma vattene affanculo

>>17841310
Not true, morrocan samples on g25 are horrendously niggerish. What a cope.
Lebanese are literally 10x whiter

>>17841302
southern italians like sicilians do
why are you defending southern italians? did already forgot your new northern italian larp?

>>17841288
>no one is talking about iberians
>he forcefully inserts iberians into the conversation anyway
clearly not a north italian, north italians don't care about iberians

>>17841323
the two aren't contradictory
that's why in spite of this moroccans plot further from iberian than algerians and tunisians do

>did you already forgot

>>17841321
this sounds 100% like google translate btw
sizzi never said anything bad about iberians and literally says that italians and iberians are genetic cousins >>17841092 multiple times

is this part of your new north italian larp? at worst sizzi is indifferent, since iberians are ultimately irrelevant to us

>>17841328
Not even sicilians do, sorry

>>17841299
Natufian in Europe can be dismissed as noise. It's just nigger. Sicilians pick up a ton of Natufian in G25 but it's actually just nigger being misread as that.

>>17841338
>an italian is supposed to speak perfect english
?

>>17841314
>si google translate può tradurre parole come smerdare
fammi vedere quale espressione inglese si traduce in "ti smerdo", posta lo screenshot

>>17841344
you don't know anything you're talking about

>>17841339
he did and there are multiple examples that have been posted, keep saying robotically that he didn't

>>17841341
siclians are the closest, canarians excepted maybe
why are you defending southern italians? you're obviously not a north italian, what a shitty larp

>>17841348
nope, i already demonstrated that i'm italian, while you are using a translation software, i'm speaking in english, if you want to speak italian i posted the /int/ thread

>>17841350
he never did, and said multiple times that italians and iberians are genetic cousins, are you confusing north italians with your kind? we don't deny reality, we are objective people, iberians are closer to italians and overall aren't "moorish", you want to blame the low quality "iberians are moors" spam on northern italians

che cazzo me ne fotte forza milan dio cane

kek the seething once the athenian samples will be out will be legendary. White people lost. We won. We've been winnging for 2000+ years

>>17841360
That wouldn't demonstrate anything. Anybody can use a VPN. You are really stupid aren't you padanatolian.

>and said multiple times that italians and iberians are genetic cousins
repeated yourself again award, also you have been on here for years saying terroni were mena and anatolian now it's undeniable that's what you are too it must hurt doesn't it padanatolian?

I wonder why this guy larping as "italian" is defending iberimoors...
>>17841288
seething about this perhaps?

>>17841365
why do you hate iberians?

>>17841364
Schizophrenic master race keeps winning. First they gave (You) the internet access in your asylum, now... whatever the fuck this is. Unstoppable force.

>>17841371
obviously a terrone standing up for is brown brothers

>>17840937
The WANA in southern Italians is mostly from iron age migrations from Anatolia, not from arabs

>>17841373
I don't at all. I like them, I think you are getting multiple different people mixed up. I find it funny how you padanists tried to use them for so long as your slaves against south italians but it backfired hard.

This thread is some schizophrenic shit. You have the usual Greekjeet insulting Iberians randomly even though the thread doesn't even mention them and then you have this dude larping as Italian and replying to himself like a retard to start a stupid feud.
This board is a cesspit.

>>17841365
i demonstrated everything, go to int and speak to me in italian if you want to speak in italian, i left a comment, you'll recognize it
>repeated yourself again award, also you have been on here for years saying terroni were mena and anatolian now it's undeniable that's what you are too it must hurt doesn't it padanatolian?
i never said anything like that unprovoked, you confused me with someone else, i only talk about the genetics of southern italy when attacked first, unlike southern italian, i fully admit i'm 15% middle eastern

>>17841371
you are not italian and especially not north italian, shit on iberians without involving us, that shitty quality meme is below us intellectually

>>17841371
He's a sudaca

>>17841381
This board need flag + IPs. It's unreadable as it is now.

>>17841380
Yes everybody who follows these things closely and has even a shred of integrity knows that, the problem and irony here is that north Italians like sizzi and (you) and nordicists like Tom Rowsell have been labeling that type of ancestry as middle eastern and levantine for years and thought it only applied to Greeks and south Italians. Now that it is well known how diffuse it is throughout Italy in general and you can't hide behind CisalpineCope's G25 coal the padanians squirm and rage that their own narrative is now being used against them, it's a lovely sight to see.

>>17841389
>15%
25%. But it's good that you polentonis are admitting you're not white anymore. It's going to be amazing to see the nordicists shit all over you in the future when you were just fine when it was only happening to us terroni.

>>17841371
>>17841378
>>17841385
>>17841393
terroni, greeks, sudacas, iberians
all of them carry the brown mental illnes wanting to be white

>>17841399
The true chad move would be to deny entirely whiteness and larp as arabs, becoming autocentric entity. However italians are a small small people, that think everyone is their friends, far from their ancestor glory.

>>17841399
iberians are likely also part east med, and probably the french have a bit too

>>17841412
We think everyone is inferior to us
This is why we look down on iberians

>>17841407
the study says 20%, i already explained that to you >>17841199
>retard, you can't even read, the 20% north european ancestry is added to a profile that is 3/4 italy_IA 1/4 middle eastern, therefore
>it's 20% north european + 60% italy IA + 20% middle eastern

>It's going to be amazing to see the nordicists shit all over you in the future when you were just fine when it was only happening to us terroni.
it was known for years that we had a bit of west asian ancestry

>>17841419
simple truth nuke
we also look down on nordic cucks and slavoid for the same reason

>>17841419
>This is why we look down on iberians
we don't, can you not insert your larp into the conversation?

>>17841399
CisalpineHeritage and sizzi are good dudes, and they're objective, they never denied any of this, you are confusing us for southern italians

>>17840937
The real true-true is that arabs are roman rapebabies and southern italians are the closest to original roman stock

>>17841421
I am not basing that off just that paper but other papers and my own usage of admixtools. 20% is the lower bound for the most north shifted of all like bergamaschi and veneti. They are not representative of all of north Italy.

>>17841430
>and they're objective, they never denied any of this
they literally have, and you repeatedly denying well documented facts does not make them false

>>17841430
I know for a fact that Cisalpine dislike Iberians even if he may use them against Iberians from time to time.
And for the funny bit, while I haven't been able to confirm this for myself, he does look very brown according to a friend of mine who saw his pic.

>>17841440
I wanted if he may use them against southern Italians from time to time.

>>17841434
This is literally true and it started with the Phoenicians even. They are Greek/Anatolian shifted compared to Bronze Age Lebanon.

>>17841437
>20% is the lower bound for the most north shifted of all like bergamaschi and veneti. They are not representative of all of north Italy.
20% is the average, veneti are 10% middle eastern at best

>they literally have, and you repeatedly denying well documented facts does not make them false
they never denied that, why are you lying about them? cisalpineheritage literally reposted that preview of that paper

>>17841440
cisalpine is neutral towards iberians

>And for the funny bit, while I haven't been able to confirm this for myself, he does look very brown according to a friend of mine who saw his pic.
he said he has green eyes and medium brown hairs

>>17841419
>>17841428
least superb italianota

>>17841419
He said, as he pressed the "post" button from his scampian slum

>>17841450
I don't know about his eyes and hairs but does look swarthy apparently.

>>17841419
>>17841428
The funniest thing is shitting on "catholic bros" like irish, poles or sudacas
They think we see them as equal because of an irrelevant cult

>>17841458
Their reaction when they see their master put them down is hilarious

>>17841458
you're justifying every insults made against Italians
you can't exactly cry and play the victims after saying things like these

>>17841474
What should I cry about
I never felt touched by insults that are directed to terroni

>>17841474
he's not italian, this faggot has ruined the thread

>>17841481
>>17841453
like this one lol

>>17841455
see here

https://x.com/CisalpinePride/status/1933842921872056588
he says he has green eyes, medium brown hairs and r1b

>>17841496
One of my friend on twitter who know what he looks like told me that he was very swarthy, that's all.

Sizzi literally said that in Northern Italy east med is Greco-Anatolian DNA from the Aegean of purely ancient Greek origins that has nothing to do with the imperial era unlike the South where it's not Greek but somehow Levantine and Mesopotamian instead. Everyone who has paid attention knows how much he has coped and lied about east med DNA in Italians. Why would you even try to deny something that can be so easily checked, are you stupid?

https://www.instagram.com/p/DFoI8-btZoi/

>Greco-Roman e Mediterranean alludono all’apporto anariano recato dai coloni di epoca romana stanziatisi nella Gallia Cisalpina, individui di estrazione greco-anatolica e del Mediterraneo orientale (non levantini). Se l’elemento italico, affine al celtico, è confluito nella componente Iron Age, in questo caso abbiamo a che fare con geni magnogreci - essenzialmente europei - frutto del parziale rimpiazzo degli indigeni cisalpini operato dai Romani, dove più e dove meno; è un retaggio biologico di origine greca antica (non slavizzata), egeo-anatolica, condiviso dalle aree centro-meridionali che, Toscana esclusa, sono prevalentemente di aspetto antropogenetico greco-romano. Nella Padania questo Greco-Roman/East Mediterranean non è alterato da ADN recente esotico di epoca imperiale (levantino generico, vale a dire Siria-Libano, Mesopotamia, Caucaso, Iran), che invece fa capolino già dalla Toscana arrivando alla media del 10-20% dell’Italia etnica meridionale.
>Senza alcun dubbio il genoma greco-romano della Cisalpina è europeo, e di secondaria importanza rispetto al predominante elemento preromano, indoeuropeo e non, poi arricchito, specie in certe aree, dal contributo bizantino.
>Parliamo di una commistione egea, non levantina. Nel centro-sud si devono fare i conti con coloni esotici di età imperiale, ma anche con la penetrazione di minoranze quali gli Ebrei, e col fatto che la manodopera schiavile era prevalentemente concentrata nella vera penisola.

>>17841530
because in his model he exclusively used the ancient mycenean greeks

sizzi is 40 but looks 25, this is why southern italians hate him, they hate his good genes identical to the bergamo average with slightly more whg

>>17841544
>we hate a virgin who will never pass his genes
lol lmao

>>17841538
>>17841544
You lost and you got raped, and now you are diverting and saying we must be jealous of the looks of a 40 year old man that lives with his mother and begged Calabrian women for nudes and sex. You are a joke, and you have been on here making anti south Italian and northern independentist posts for years trying to lie to Iberians and use them as attack dogs against south Italians. Seeing the nordicists now shit on you just as they did to us while you encouraged them all those times is very well deserved. And now even Iberians are getting in on the fun. You are already coping about it and denying the past repeatedly even if much of it was relatively recent.

>>17841620
I don't like how you try to frame this to involve Iberians.
Iberians don't feel strongly about Italy being an unified country or not, also I saw that anon defending southern Italians several times, even Sicilians when the Greekjeet attacked them.
You're getting worked up for nothing.

>>17841235
Ο νεοραγιάς πιστεύει ότι η λύση είναι να συνεχίσει να υποκρίνεται ότι είναι ευρωπαί(ε)ος. Είναι θλιβερό.

>>17841629
> also I saw that anon defending southern Italians several times, even Sicilians when the Greekjeet attacked them.
i never defended south italians
>>17841620
you are completely mistaken and coping, we admit we're 15% middle eastern on average (which means 20-25% imperial roman)

and yes you hate sizzi, since he's pure north italian

>>17841629
Here's a post of his from January. Exact same writing style, phrasing, and rhetoric and if you learn to recognize it you'd realize he was making posts about how south Italians are MENA east meds years ago.

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/17474727/#q17475500

Here are some others from October.
https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/17195793/#17196112
https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/17187570/#17192336

He always makes the point that the Greek is anti Sicilian, he likes to repeat himself and has been arguing with the Greek in the same way for years at this point. He's not making a defense of Sicilians he just says that south Italians would not say negative things about Sicilians. You can also recognize him because he accuses people of being unable to speak Italian and using google translate and demands they go to /int/ to show they have an Italian flag. Literally the same exact behaviors and style for years. He hates south Italians and denies even recent history of himself and the north Italian independentists he follows.

>>17841650
Ok, ok you're probably right about him disliking southern Italians.
I still don't see how this whole story involve Iberians, if he's willing to help me against the Greekjeet and his nonsensical obsession then so be it.

>>17841650
schizo, replying to yourself too, these are my comments indeed but nowhere i defend southern italians against greeks? infact in those same comments i propose a population exchange between southern italians and thracian/central macedonian greek. i didn't post for months before today

>>17841659
there's nothing nonsensical about my comments, and i don't attack south italians, i only defend myself and others like cisalpine heritage hen they're defamed

>>17841650
>>17841659
>>17841662
>>17841669
>mfw the terroni defense task force gets completely demolished by 1 shitposter
lmao you are pathetic

>>17841678
uh? i don't defend or attack south italians, just clearing up some lies that were being said about sizzi and cicalpineHeritage

>>17841669
Nonsensical refered to the greekjeet, not you.

remember kekman?

>>17841662
You want to keep Iberians on the anti-terroni leash even though southern Italians are irrelevant to them, this entire thread is full of you damage controlling and saying all the anti Iberian things said by those 2 retards never happened and they were totally honest and objective about east med DNA in Italians even though anyone can easily verify you are lying and many tweets were posted as evidence. This is pathetic. You denied north Italians had east med admixture on here and posted shit against south Italians for years and you have just admitted those are your posts now. Even in here you said "we're not dumb terroni" >>17841199

It is obvious to everyone that you fucking hate us and trying to use Iberians as part of some west Med larp. I've raped you so thoroughly and everyone. Yes you, and them, now admit east med in Italians. Now that it's too late to deny it without looking stupid. You and them ignored all the papers for years and tried to smear the reputation of Jovialis an honest and skilled man who made these good models showing the genetic truth about Italians.

How racial autists explain Cyprus and Malta being superior to both Greece and Italy in pretty much all metrics? They are very 'non-white' in comparison. Maltese are Arabic speaking Sicilians and Cypriots are Greeks with Phoenician/Lebanese admixture.

>>17841717
>How racial autists explain Cyprus and Malta being superior to both Greece and Italy in pretty much all metrics
Are they really? Being a tax heaven is not really being better

>>17841709
>You want to keep Iberians on the anti-terroni leash even though southern Italians are irrelevant to them
i don't, but there is someone that is trying to pin the "iberians are moor" posts on northern italians obviously and so i have to defend myself
just for your information, i don't think the anti iberian posts are made by south italians either, this is why i never said: "it's the south italians that are doing them"

>This is pathetic. You denied north Italians had east med admixture on here and posted shit against south Italians for years and you have just admitted those are your posts now. Even in here you said "we're not dumb terroni" >>17841199
nonsense, i never denied that we have a bit of east med ancestry, it's you that deny the fact that a much larger east med component in southern italians makes you different from us

>It is obvious to everyone that you fucking hate us and trying to use Iberians as part of some west Med larp. I've raped you so thoroughly and everyone. Yes you, and them, now admit east med in Italians. Now that it's too late to deny it without looking stupid. You and them ignored all the papers for years and tried to smear the reputation of Jovialis an honest and skilled man who made these good models showing the genetic truth about Italians.
i don't hate southern italians, but clearly you are plotting something and i need to stay alert, jovialis is an idiot that believes southern italians are mostly genetically neolithic calabrians

i think there's something fishy with genetics distances because most muslims got kicked out of sicily when the normans came and germanics ruled souther italy more than arabs did... so like...

>>17841750
Not how it works dummy. And I am not saying that Sicilians are arabs.

>>17840894 (OP)
>Isola Sacra
Well-known hub for foreigners, this also shows in the genetic results
>Anatolia
Part-Greek, part-native Anatolian
>Lebanon
Really?
I am not denying the possibility of Southern Italians having the highest total Roman+Greek ancestry, but the samples used are not suitable to judge that

>>17840913
That is the vernacular of some of who has never seen a pussy in his entire life

this is how sizzi describes this portugese
https://x.com/pavolsizz/status/1941215274667217146
>#Craniometria di #DiogoJota: vicino al tipo baschide, che unisce il classico filone iberico atlanto-mediterranide con quello dinaromorfo recato dal campaniforme, seppur gracilizzato; pelle chiara con efelidi di influsso atlantico. Areale: tripletta a Bergamo, ma nessun rancore.
>craniometry of Diogo Jota: close to the basque type, that connects the classical iberian atlanto-mediterranean with the dinaric from the bell beakers, although gracilized, light skin with freckles from atlantic influences. in short: three goal against bergamo, but no hard feelings

>>17841849
>Part-Greek, part-native Anatolian
So Herodotus-like ancient Greek

>>17841009
Look at their flag.

I knew Northern Italy was filled with fucking L*mbards

Cisalpine in his own words to show he has never been right on anything and changes his mind like the wind and deserves no credibility. Remember, his follower in here claimed he never once insulted Iberians and he was always honest about east med admixture in north Italians. I have all the proof.

>you can't be Iberian and call people brown
https://x.com/CisalpinePride/status/1929273685291999579

>Iberians are part sub saharan african
https://x.com/CisalpinePride/status/1929275454734598486

>cisalpine getting raped by jovialis where he refused to accept CHG in Northern Italy, did not listen to jovialis citing studies
https://x.com/CisalpinePride/status/1745095288702779692

>Anatolian Bronze Age is almost absent in northern Italy
https://x.com/CisalpinePride/status/1745062553263255745

>9% CHG and Iran_N is too much for northern Italians
https://x.com/CisalpinePride/status/1745178138840055866

>qpadm is too flawed, he will not stop using G25
https://x.com/CisalpinePride/status/1745175463696146854

>southern italians are over 10% natufian
https://x.com/CisalpinePride/status/1727769997924065656

>the vast majority of northern italians are 100% purely WHG ANF and Steppe
https://x.com/CisalpinePride/status/1733905813679251649

>Etruscans were just Italics that spoke non IE (he changed his mind since then and Etruscans are not Italics whatsoever now)
>https://x.com/CisalpinePride/status/1787531007362535667
>https://x.com/CisalpinePride/status/1805340062130848166

>>17841445
>cisalpineheritage literally reposted that preview of that paper
He's so dumb he thinks it proves north Italians are Celts even though the preprint literally says the opposite, that they were on the terroni cline before the Germanic invasions introduced admixture that shifted them north. They only admitted the east med after it became undeniable, they denied and coped about it before that. Actually still do in some ways like you fiddling with lowering percentages to try and soften the humiliating blow.

>>17843484
>you can't be Iberian and call people brown
that's self defense because an iberian called him brown, pointing to the obvious iron that if northern italians are brown so are iberians

>Iberians are part sub saharan african
literally doesn't say that at all, iberians not mentioned there at all

>cisalpine getting raped by jovialis where he refused to accept CHG in Northern Italy, did not listen to jovialis citing studies
so you just create narratives here, he never says anything like that, in fact he explicitly states "it's possible"

>Anatolian Bronze Age is almost absent in northern Italy
retard, he's talking about a chart that jovialis posted and he's pointed out that ABA is absent in northern italy in that chart that jovialis posted

>9% CHG and Iran_N is too much for northern Italians
it is for some north italians, and in the same comment he even said that he never denied chg in northern italy

>southern italians are over 10% natufian
he says 10%, and sicilians, that are southern italians have around that much

>the vast majority of northern italians are 100% purely WHG ANF and Steppe
he didn't say all

>Etruscans were just Italics that spoke non IE (he changed his mind since then and Etruscans are not Italics whatsoever now)
this is true

>He's so dumb he thinks it proves north Italians are Celts even though the preprint literally says the opposite, that they were on the terroni cline before the Germanic invasions introduced admixture that shifted them north.
the paper says that they were 75% italy_IA, definitely different from southern italians

>>17843505
>literally doesn't say that at all, iberians not mentioned there at all
He was replying to an Iberian arguing with him and telling him to enjoy his siesta, a very obvious insult towards Iberians. Then making an insult about 1% black african admixture. Denying something so pointedly obviously intended as an insult towards Iberians is a new low even for you.

You used to larp as a republican, deny east med in north Italy, say terroni were anatolian slaves. Now you are trying in vain to cope with that Anatolian DNA yourself.

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/14253150/#14253995
https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/14253150/#q14254040
https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/14253150/#14254088
https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/14253150/#14254091
https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/16063829/#16064820
https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/16198956/#16200902

You have consistently been one of the main people on /his/ making anti south Italian posts for years saying horrible things about south Italians then you pretend to defend us whenever you fight with the Greek. You're very dishonorable and you do try to rope bystanding Iberians into north Italian separatism bringing them into conversations out of nowhere flattering them to try to get them to attack us. This pattern you have shown in the archive many times. Just trying to use different ethnicities like chess pieces like a scheming jew, playing some kind of sick game.

>it is for some north italians
show me the north Italians with 0-5% CHG then. G25 isn't a source

>and in the same comment he even said that he never denied chg in northern italy
no because he said they have between 0 and 5% CHG and most have 0, that is a very wrong estimate, extremely wrong, zero north Italians have 0 CHG but he claimed it was the majority, that is not accepting CHG in north Italy.
https://x.com/CisalpinePride/status/1734203499850690592

>and sicilians, that are southern italians have around that much
G25 isn't a source

>tfw mother's side of the family is pure Sicilian

Huh, maybe I come from Roman stock, it would explain some things.

Folks ITT have never seen a vagina

>>17843587
The vast majority of northern europeans under 25 have never seen one so it's not exactly a rare thing these days.
Perks of being a feminist subhuman

>>17840913
/thread

>>17843565
My friend you seriously need to take a deep breath, go outside and touch grass.
I'm not defending Cisalpine who is a lying buffon who likes to twist genetic data to push his agenda or even the other north italian guy but this obsession toward random, largely inconsequential internet users is unreasonable.
Besides, I find it weird how you try to involve Iberians in this when they are largely irrelevant to this discussion to begin with, I'm the only one who interact with the padanian here and I don't really care about Italy being unified or not.

>>17843600
There’s no obsession here although maybe posting some links seemed too much. I just needed to use the search function, it took barely any of my time to collate these. It is very easy with some forensic skills and keywords and my own memory. The only reason Iberians factor into this is this guy has been at it for years trying to flatter and spur Iberians. That’s all I’m going to say.

>>17843565
he's defending himself in that instant, look at the tweet above, the iberian guy called him brown, he never attacks iberians and considers them celts
>Then making an insult about 1% black african admixture.
not directed at iberians

>https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/14253150/#14253995
>https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/14253150/#q14254040
>https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/14253150/#14254088
>https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/14253150/#14254091
>https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/16063829/#16064820
>https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/16198956/#16200902
none of these comments are mine

>You have consistently been one of the main people on /his/ making anti south Italian posts for years saying horrible things about south Italians then you pretend to defend us whenever you fight with the Greek.
no, retard, i never attack southern italians unprovoked and those comments aren't mine, fuck off obsessed faggot, i didn't even post here in 2022

>>17843616
He is iberogermanic nigga are you serious lmao
They're all larping troons.
Nothing of this is consequential in any way. You are right that padano anatolians Independentist are mostly retards, that doesn't justify spending time constructing these very serious hat arguments.
Wanna go into an asylum and starts arguing with the crazies there next? It's the equivalent of what you're doing.
Just troll them and call it a day.
It is indeed very funny that they seriously thought g25 was a reliable source of information and ended up calling themselves 25% levantine in a roundabout way, it should just show what the level of these people is.

>>17843627
20% levantine, not 25
also this retard is just spamming random comments not related to me, he's trying to create a boogieman

>>17843635
Ohhh 20% levantine lmao
That changes everything

>>17843627
One of my admirer I see, and who you might be?
I've largely stopped my shitpost about Italians, I've been thinking about it for a while anyway as it didn't made much sense in the first place.

>>17843642
You spend a LOT of time here nigga everyone knows you lol

>>17843646
Yes but Iberogermanic is a troll username i use specifically for Twitter, people here don't necessarily know it.

>>17841009
CHG is not white? How come? It's literally a component of WSH.

>>17843385
By the same logic, Imperial Romans can be considered 100% Roman by blood since that was their culture and a significant part of their ancestry. That's fine, but it makes the whole discussion seem rather pointless. Also, we don't know if all of these people were of fully Greek culture and consciousness (some certainly were, and can be considered Greeks, but Anatolian cultures had not died out by that point)

>>17841199
hello diego

>>17845128
i'm italian

holy iberimoor damage control

>>17845129
kek sure thing sanchez

>>17845133
i'm north italian

>>17845131
Rent free

>>17841009
Sardinian being a remote Island shithole rarely attracted foreigners even in ancient times. So their genetics are still very archaic, especially pre-IE. Their tounge is for these same reasons also the closest living relative to classical latin

G25 can be quite good if you use the right sources and don't overfit, while you can get pretty bad results in qpAdm sometimes

Ignore the Sicilian but the rest should be fine

>>17846384

>>17846397
And from the recent Punic study

>>17846384
>>17846397
>>17846405
gib the coordinates you're using

>>17840894 (OP)
It's so tiresome how many people spread those trash models with samples that belonged nowhere.
Here's a model with pure samples, where each ethnicity is well separated.

>>17846384
>>17846397
>>17846405
how about balkan pops?

>>17846446
>southern italy more gallic than greek
lol
lmao

>>17846384
It's this https://pastebin.com/W5Lt9sxZ except I didn't include the BA Sardinian here (it's in Davidskis spreadsheet)


Samples used in averages here

https://pastebin.com/cuHgFmah

https://pastebin.com/hXtDUzB4

https://pastebin.com/iF1cSypm


>>17846450
I'd probably need to use different source populations, the Slavic is probably actually Germanic in the Italian populations as well but I didn't want to complicate my model more than needed

>>17846446
>Says people spread trash
> Can't even use an average
Just do a model with Iron Age Italics (Italic + Etruscan, Classical Magna Grecians (average the himera samples)
Bronze Age anatolia, then lebanon and nafri. Also why are you using samples from all over the place chronologically? Decide if you want a bronze-iron age model or antiquity model.

>>17846639
The most important thing is to use clean samples that isolate a certain ethnicity.
And these samples are some of the cleanest out there.