Anonymous
7/15/2025, 1:14:23 AM No.17842531
Would Ireland still be speaking Irish if the famine never happened?
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 2:07:59 PM No.17843870
>>17842531 (OP)
The proximate cause of the famine was the infection of potato crops by blight (Phytophthora infestans) throughout Europe during the 1840s. Impact on food supply by blight infection caused 100,000 deaths outside Ireland, and influenced much of the unrest that culminated in European Revolutions of 1848.
The proximate cause of the famine was the infection of potato crops by blight (Phytophthora infestans) throughout Europe during the 1840s. Impact on food supply by blight infection caused 100,000 deaths outside Ireland, and influenced much of the unrest that culminated in European Revolutions of 1848.
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 2:13:25 PM No.17843880
>>17842531 (OP)
Definitely not, the language shift started before that.
The only way to stop it before it's too late is if Britain loses WW1 somehow and the Irish independentists invite a German prince to become their king (there were such plans)
Definitely not, the language shift started before that.
The only way to stop it before it's too late is if Britain loses WW1 somehow and the Irish independentists invite a German prince to become their king (there were such plans)
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 2:16:57 PM No.17843886
>>17843880
By that point the language was near death and I don't think Germany would care enough to sponsor a revival.
The last point in which the language could have been revived permanently would be to prevent the act of union and keep the Irish parliament in Dublin
By that point the language was near death and I don't think Germany would care enough to sponsor a revival.
The last point in which the language could have been revived permanently would be to prevent the act of union and keep the Irish parliament in Dublin
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 2:40:05 PM No.17843913
>>17842531 (OP)
Gaelic
Gaelic
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 2:41:50 PM No.17843917
>>17842531 (OP)
Why don't these niggas just learn the language now???
Why don't these niggas just learn the language now???
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 3:06:36 PM No.17843966
>>17843917
Larpers don’t want to admit it, but it’s because the Irish simply don’t want to. They switched to English and it has much more utility compares to Gaelic. The funny thing is, the culture impact of the Irish is much greater because they speak and produce things in English. If they still spoke Gaelic, then their reach would be as far as Welsh larpIng, which is to say that no one would care. But because they speak English and put out their nationalistic works and expressions in English, it has further reach and a bunch of 5th generation Americans still feel connected to Ireland.
Larpers don’t want to admit it, but it’s because the Irish simply don’t want to. They switched to English and it has much more utility compares to Gaelic. The funny thing is, the culture impact of the Irish is much greater because they speak and produce things in English. If they still spoke Gaelic, then their reach would be as far as Welsh larpIng, which is to say that no one would care. But because they speak English and put out their nationalistic works and expressions in English, it has further reach and a bunch of 5th generation Americans still feel connected to Ireland.
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 3:34:27 PM No.17844003
>>17842531 (OP)
No, English was always going to be the lingua franca of the isles due to the relative populations, density of higher education in England, and the simple fact that almost all trade with continental Europe passes through English territory.
No, English was always going to be the lingua franca of the isles due to the relative populations, density of higher education in England, and the simple fact that almost all trade with continental Europe passes through English territory.
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Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:11:40 PM No.17844504
>>17842531 (OP)
No the famine was just the final stage of feudalism forcing a grain economy on land unsuitable for arable farming just like in Scotland, Siberia and Canada
No the famine was just the final stage of feudalism forcing a grain economy on land unsuitable for arable farming just like in Scotland, Siberia and Canada
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 8:52:59 PM No.17844582
>>17842531 (OP)
Maybe, the decline might have been less severe.
The killer was the fact that certain political leaders (like O'Connell) suggested people learn it to try and gain some social/economic mobility. Then 20 years later the famine hits, and devastates the areas were it was spoken most widely.
>>17843917
It isn't easy.
Also, if you aren't really interested in history/culture (which most people aren't), learning a language spoken almost exclusively by people who also speak English isn't that appealing.
>>17843966
I think a revival is still extremely possible, but people seem to insinuiate that it's somehow some massive failure that it hasn't been fully revived by now.
As >>17844003 points to; Ireland is sandwiched between the UK and America, two nations that not only dwarf it but have vast influence on the world stage. Every single institution in Ireland has been conducted in English for centuries, and every person speaks it; even if most people in Ireland spoke Irish today, most would also speak English (as is the case in many European nations) for obvious reasons.
Maybe, the decline might have been less severe.
The killer was the fact that certain political leaders (like O'Connell) suggested people learn it to try and gain some social/economic mobility. Then 20 years later the famine hits, and devastates the areas were it was spoken most widely.
>>17843917
It isn't easy.
Also, if you aren't really interested in history/culture (which most people aren't), learning a language spoken almost exclusively by people who also speak English isn't that appealing.
>>17843966
I think a revival is still extremely possible, but people seem to insinuiate that it's somehow some massive failure that it hasn't been fully revived by now.
As >>17844003 points to; Ireland is sandwiched between the UK and America, two nations that not only dwarf it but have vast influence on the world stage. Every single institution in Ireland has been conducted in English for centuries, and every person speaks it; even if most people in Ireland spoke Irish today, most would also speak English (as is the case in many European nations) for obvious reasons.