Thread 17843136

>influences 20th century trench warfare
>most successful ocean navigators for hundreds of years
>invents ocean maps
>visits South America
>creates fortified villages
>immense horticultural and medicinal knowledge
>retains history through song
>worships the natural world
Why do you hate us again?

>>17843136 (OP)
>us
Tats or GTFO

>>17843136 (OP)
I've got no idea how these niggers have managed to gaslight white guilt pakehas into believing they're natives to New Zealand (aeioutorea) when they literally genocided the natives.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moriori_genocide

>>17843149
Did you even read the page? Moriori were not before the Māori they were Māori who arrived at the same time but split off to the Chatham Islands from South Island (te wai pounamu) and developed a unique culture. Why are you on his if you can’t read

>>17843156
On his what?

>>17843161
/his/

>>17843136 (OP)
i asked for some eggs, eh

>>17843136 (OP)
> uhm actually these nigger living in mudhuts and pracitcing weird ass vodoo rituals were super advanced

>>17843187
that is what someone who has never picked up a history book on nz would say, yeah

>>17843191
> duude look how advanced this society was
> they
> *checks notes*
> used motte-and-bailey in 18k60
> (also they sang songs and used plants for medical purposes, something no-one else ever did)
whoa
i am in awe

>>17843192
central and northern europeans were living in wooden "castles" well into the 19th century?

whoa
I DID NOT KNOW THAT
truly you learn something new every day on this board

oh no...

>>17843196
I never said they were more advanced than Europeans. Funny how white nigs can’t have a thread about anything without making it all about white people. Indigenous cultures are very interesting and I think we could learn from them with their balance with nature, community spirit and lack of reliance on technology.

>>17843136 (OP)
> Influences 20th century trench warfare
FALSE. There is no evidence they influenced WWI trench warfare. Claims of influence are retroactive speculation, not supported by military history.

> Most successful ocean navigators for hundreds of years
EXAGGERATED. Polynesians (including Māori ancestors) were excellent navigators, but calling them the most successful ignores other seafaring cultures like the Austronesians, Chinese, and Arabs. Māori themselves ceased long-distance voyaging after settling Aotearoa.

> Invents ocean maps
UNTRUE. Māori did not invent maps of any kind. While some Polynesian cultures (e.g., Marshallese) made stick charts, Māori relied solely on oral navigation traditions and did not use physical or visual maps.

> Visits South America
QUESTIONABLE. Some evidence supports Polynesian-South American contact before Europeans arrived (e.g., sweet potatoes, limited genetic links). But there is no direct or credible evidence that Māori themselves ever made the journey.

> Immense horticultural and medicinal knowledge
PARTIALLY TRUE. Māori developed impressive agricultural adaptations, especially for kūmara. Their medicinal plant knowledge (rongoā) is real but not all remedies are scientifically validated, and some were symbolic rather than medicinal.

> Worships the natural world
SIMPLIFIED. Māori cosmology involves a spiritual relationship with nature, with deities representing natural forces. But calling it "worship" in a modern, ecological sense oversimplifies a diverse and complex belief system.

It seems that you fags aren’t ready to talk about this and I will abandon the thread to let the dogs bark at themselves and find a place where people have even the slightest surface knowledge on history

>>17843210
AI post. Clocked it and shan’t be reading

>>17843136 (OP)
People at the time compared trench warfare to 17th century siege warfare but keep thinking you're important for the world brownie.

>>17843136 (OP)
I...I think the Austronesians are cool Anon. I like the similarities with Early Medieval Europe and their nautical skills are very impressive.
t. Germ/Slav

>>17843156
> uhm actually the Moriori genocide was ok because their ancestors were once Māori who developed their own culture

>>17843223
Missing the part where I said it was ok.
Pointing out historical accuracies implies that I agree with historical genocide to you?

>>17843211
> > makes thread about how le advanced Māori were
> > gets BTFO
> oh my BIG YIKES
> It seems that you aren’t ready to talk about this yet
> NO I WILL NOT POST SOURCES btw.

>>17843230
The only big yikes is you typing that drivel out and having the image saved.

>>17843136 (OP)
because you're fat

>>17843223
The funniest part is when the talk of Waitangi reparations came up, the Taranaki Maori argued the Moriori shouldn't get anything from the NZ government, because they lost the war to the Maoris and hence didn't have any land.

The fucking irony lol.

>>17843240
I strongly respect the strong warrior culture of the Maori from the 13th century to the 20th.
The bitch ass loser maoris whining for gibs in the 21st would make their ancestors ashamed.

>>17843240
>Judge John Rogan, who had sat on the Taranaki courts in the mid-1860s and had “fixed ideas” before he even arrived on the island, presided over the court hearings. He determined that Moriori had been “conquered” by Māori and therefore had forfeited their right to practically all of their lands
needing a source on Taranaki iwi arguing this, it was a European judges decision as far as I can tell. Even if it wasn't Maori were not a unified people and Ngāti Mutunga and Ngāti Tama had their own initiative.

>>17843252
how would their ancestors be ashamed of trying to get their land back? If anything they would be wanting them to take up arms and shoot the pakeha profiting off the whenua. Why would strong warriors want the fight to stop? Fighting it in the land courts is the most realistic way of getting land back and it's what many Maori are doing and being successful in many cases I might add

>>17843256
they did argue that they had conquered the Moriori, and therefore were entitled to ownership of the land.

> Waitangi Tribunal – Rekohu Report (2001)
> The Waitangi Tribunal is very clear that:
> Ngāti Mutunga and Ngāti Tama actively argued in court that they had taken the land by conquest in 1835–36 and were thus entitled to it.

> Michael King – Moriori: A People Rediscovered
> Michael King also confirms that the iwi involved claimed conquest as the basis for land ownership — not just as historical fact, but as a legal argument in court.
> “Ngāti Mutunga’s representatives argued that conquest in 1835 had given them full rights of ownership… This was accepted by Judge Rogan without serious inquiry into customary law or morality.” — King, Moriori, p. 126

>>17843259
That's the point, arguing in their courts and their parliaments rather than actually fighting is shameful.
See Sinn Fein, who refuse to enter the British Houses of Parliament for an example of how you should do it.

>>17843265
How would actually fighting help anything? Its not the same at all as it was. When maori were actually fighting the government Maori outnumbered Europeans by a long shot, now they are almost outnumbered by the Chinese population alone, not to mention the nz army, police force, advancement in weaponry. Maori even tried peaceful protests with parihaka and were demolished. Its not realistic. Maori were a warrior people but they also weren't stupidly going into battles with such a low chance of success.

Maori have tried to have their own government for their own people as per the treaty, there is calls for that now but the government won't allow it and even tried to redact the treaty for the sole purpose of making it more comfortable for immigrants to move here and over seas investors to buy land.

>>17843270
To add to this, the primeminister and deputy primeminister have photos of them wearing traditional Indian clothing and making immigration deals with the Indian government. Have they ever worn traditional Māori clothing? Learned how to pronounce any of the words properly? Nope

They care more about Indians and Chinese. If Māori were in power or had more influence there wouldn’t be Indians and Chinese here. We are a bicultural national not a multicultural nation and Māori do not won’t immigration happening

>>17843156
Yeah well everyone broke off from the African lineage so the Whites eterminating the Native American tribes was okay according to you.

>>17843205
>I never said they were more advanced than Europeans.
Then they're untermensch
>Funny how white nigs can’t have a thread about anything without making it all about white people.
White people are histories main characters. Everything of value humanity has ever done past figuring out that you can pick up rocks was done by White people.
>Indigenous cultures are very interesting and I think we could learn from
They're interesting because they're time capsules of when Humans were neolithic dumbasses
>>them with their balance with nature,
>runs buffalo off of cliff
>>community spirit
>Sacrifices babies to make rain come
>>and lack of reliance on technology.
>Try to protect themselves from gunfire with magic

>>17843285
>>17843281
genuine mental illness. I do hope you are a teenager

>>17843285
> They're interesting because they're time capsules of when Humans were neolithic dumbasses
>>them with their balance with nature,
>runs buffalo off of cliff
>>community spirit
>Sacrifices babies to make rain come
>>and lack of reliance on technology.
>Try to protect themselves from gunfire with magic

TRVTH NVKE

>>17843137
>Tats or GTFO
I second this
prove it

>>17843229
So you agree they aren't the native inhabitants. Fucktard

>>17843259
So this is the modern Maori warrior, some sniveling kid on 4chan whining cuz he can't kill white people? Bruh

>>17843196
>mog even Euros on ocean voyaging skill
>while being bronze age or worse at everything else
it's an extreme form of specialization but that's what makes it so interesting
And yeah the way they fortified during the New Zealand Wars was neat, I don't know if it was parallel evolution vs. common threats vs. an actual influence (through Britain) on trench warfare but it was still a fascinating development
I wish this board didn't have so many nazis seething about people trying to discuss actual history

>>17843489
Discussion of non white history is not allowed because *checks notes* they aren’t main characters

>>17843518
>Europeans conquered the world
>no, we can't learn anything about the world they conquered; instead, we must downplay that achievement at every opportunity by making their opponents look as weak and pathetic as possible

>>17843136 (OP)
I don't?

>>17843489
> not thinking that some random tribe influenced 20th century warfare makes you a nazi!

>>17843489
> > mog even Euros on ocean voyaging skill
let me guess
you are one of those people that think that somehow every person south of Japan was a Maori?

>>17843576
>>17843559

>>17843278
There's actually a fast brewing race war between Maoris + Islanders vs Indians in Auckland. They're already going to blows on the street.

I think you'll have actual Indian gangs forming over the next few years to counter Black Power and the Mongrel Mob. The only reason they haven't done so yet is because they're playing the long game of getting their numbers up through migration. They have 1.5 billion Indians to draw from, after all.

Fucking lol at retarded white governments giving indigenous people all these special privileges, having a democracy, and also importing people from the most nepotistic and collectivist place on earth. Obviously Indians in 10-20 years time will vote away all their Waitangi gibs.

>>17843136 (OP)
>most succesful ocean navigators
Did they find is or did we find them?

>>17843136 (OP)
they didn't navigate anything, they launched suicide missions into the ocean to keep their islands from becoming overpopulated. Spreading like a plague, they eventually drifted to a lot of pacific islands and then created little incestuous inbred populations on many tiny irrelevant islands.

>>17843666
Brian Tamaki is a retard christian grifter

>>17843817
Yes but retard christian grifter chuds are the sort of people Maoris and Islanders turn to as community leaders. He's a total chud, Maoris are chuds. White people cope by saying he doesn't speak for Maori, but he does to an extent.

>>17843137
FPBP
OP BTFO

>>17843309
>Runswithwolves, wear this before you battle the White man
>Wat is it, Chief Crowflies?
>Its a special talisman, it'll make any bullet that hits you turn into water
Lmaooooo

>>17843525
>by making their opponents look as weak and pathetic as possible
Because they were. If your society can't counter a line of muskets then its just sad.

>>17843559
The random tribe in question fought one of the major belligerents in 20th century warfare well enough that they had to cut a deal. So it's not implausible that bongs learned something from the experience. But maybe they really didn't and had to figure it all over again a couple generations later

>>17843136 (OP)
I don't hate you

>>17843489
>>17843136 (OP)
Are you trying to claim that the Maori taught Europeans about fucking trenches? The thing that we have evidence that stone age villages had? The things that we know for sure were being used by the Romans?

>>17843906
These showed up on every continent (except maybe Europe?) because it's really hard to convince people without bullets to fight those who have them otherwise
Actually one of the really interesting cross-cultural tidbits of the 19th/early 20th century, from the Ghost Dance to the Boxers to the Maji Maji rebellion

>>17843910
Trenches and earthworks are just what humans dig when they're facing ranged weaponry that they can't outrange. Its the most basic thing you can do. And the British didn't have to learn about trenches again, they had them even during the mobile period of WW1, but they like everyone else assumed the war would be ones where mobility was king as it was in the Franco-Prussian War (1870–1871), Russo-Turkish War (1877–1878), Spanish-American War (1898), Second Boer War (1899–1902), Russo-Japanese War (1904–1905), Italo-Turkish War (1911–1912), First Balkan War (1912), and Second Balkan War (1913).

>>17843918
there's a big difference between a Roman trench and an anti-artillery one
don't get me wrong, there were other precedents in the world, but WW1 in a lot of ways was "what if we did colonial warfare but to other Europeans" (especially since most of the powers hadn't actually fought other Europeans in living memory, but had spent the better part of the last few decades conquering other continents) and a colonial war in which the natives had a favorable casualty exchange probably turned some heads

>>17843668
Rekt n kekt

>>17843205
The implication was to say that or put them on the same level as Europeans or even east Asians. And you know it, coward.

>>17843940
> there were other precedents in the world, but WW1 in a lot of ways was "what if we did colonial warfare but to other Europeans"
ajo
this dude ACTUALLY believes that
> le maori influenced le trench-warfare

> especially since most of the powers hadn't actually fought other Europeans in living memory, but had spent the better part of the last few decades conquering other continents
>> this is what thirdies unironically believe
MY NIGGER
what the fuck are you even babbling about?

France, Germany, Russia, Austira the UK and even Italy all had MULTIPLE WARS with other European nations during the 19th century
the last war of the New Zealand Wars ended in 1872, one year after the Franco-Prussian war and years before the Russo-Turkish War

>>17843668
kek

>>17843136 (OP)
We know youre euro polynesian mutt calm down anon

>>17843136 (OP)
>Why do you hate us again?
I don't, Polynesians are the only race other than aryans who exhibt Faustian spirit

>>17843885
>retard christian grifter chuds are the sort of people Maoris and Islanders turn to as community leaders.
only because he purposely preys upon people in poverty while he fleeces their meager earnings for his lavish lifestyle and flashy cars. He doesn't give a shit about anything but money and just fan the flames of hate within struggling communities. Maori never cared about homosexuality or identity politics, in their culture it wasn't taboo at all to be gay or to be polyamorous and Islanders have a HUGE history of fa'afafine and never had a problem with it. Its just bible bashing american influenced bullshit that belongs in israel and american, not nz or samoa

>>17843906
yeah not like celts believed woad made them invisible or that vikings thought animita muscaria would make you invincible, there is a bunch of this stuff in most cultures and its a tool to breed confidence and bravery

>>17843668
Maori had nz, why the fuck would they want to go to Europe. Europeans were the ones living in overcrowded shit holes and desperately in need of resources and gold.

>>17845451
You leftist white faggot, Maoris are staunch conservatives -today- in New Zealand, they are mostly Christian and like that shit. It's what they want, it's what they naturally lean towards.

You can cope and seethe and say "actually they should be wholesome homo lovers like Margaret Mead wrote about", but that's gone now. Who they are today is who they are today.

>>17845758
Muh leftists

>>17845778
Yeah, I'm right and you know it. Cope and seethe that Maoris have an autonomy of their own and they don't care for your politics.

>>17843285
>lack reliance on technology
like uncle ted. its a good thing. being forced to engage with technology to be "free" is not a great selling point of your hyper advanced society.
as always- teddy was right

>>17845758
>Maoris are staunch conservatives -today- in New Zealand
not with those rates of single motherhood

>>17845758
You should retarded and aggressive. I actually live in nz and work within Māori communities, this isn’t the case at all. Just look at te pati Māori party and their policies

>>17843265
The difference is that Ireland was conquered without consent, while the treaty of Waitangi is a treaty. Theoretically, Maori have no reason to object to the crown putting a court and a parliament in New Zealand, they agreed to some form of British governorship and to get all the rights of British subjects (which includes using the courts and the parliament) in the treaty. The problem is that the crown stole land and allowed others to steal land, and that it didn't uphold its end of the bargain in preserving their Taonga.

>>17843136 (OP)
You're basically pets of the white economy demanding tribute, like niggers.

>>17843136 (OP)
I don't think anyone cares about you. Maori don't even exist anymore. Last pure one died over 100 years ago and the rest left are low % and just screech and get gibs.

>>17845462
The point anon was making was that they couldn't go anywhere, so they obviously weren't the navigators they're cracked up to be. Also pre euro NZ was a shithole, the maori lived like animals.

>>17846054
I work in a Maori dominated industry and most are socially conservative. Te Pati Maori is the way it is because they know appeasing white progressive power structures is the best way to get transfers of wealth directed towards their race. If they were more explicit with their chud opinions, Labour would be more hesitant to lean into them.

The government conflicted with the Maori community pretty heavily during Covid. Despite all the talk of having to respect the treaty and Maori sovereignty, they were mostly smashing Maoris on Parliament lawn. The protests in this country were easily 50%+ brown. If this country was majority Maori, we definitely wouldn't have had lockdowns for as long as we did. When push comes to shove, the white elite still takes their position first and foremost, and implicitly lectures the Maori community to be better.

And yes, my post was very aggressive because I was drunk.

>>17848745
>I work in a Maori dominated industry
>blackout drunk at 3 in the arvo
checks out

None of these persons look pure Maori

All of these have 50% Anglo blood minimun

>>17843940
This has some similarities to 15th/16th century european forts, which in turn were further developed over the following centuries to the star and polygonal forts.

>>17843149
Morioriori
Rolli polli olli
Your image is demonic and so is their culture

>>17849183
>>17843136 (OP)
forgot to tag Op image in this post

>>17843136 (OP)
You are honorary Aryan!