"Yeah I accidentally killed 50 million people through mass starvation because I'm a fat fucking retard and don't know how to run a country. Sorry about that bros. No hard feelings right?"
>they not only forgive him, they want him back
What the actual fuck?

Collectivists love dying for their great leader if it means their neighbor can't make 1 yuan more than them

>>17844917 (OP)
50 million dead of starvation is just another normal week in China.

>>17844917 (OP)
>Yeah I accidentally killed 50 million people through mass starvation because I'm a fat fucking retard and don't know how to run a country. Sorry about that
Just China doing China things

70% good 30% bad. The Great Leap Forward was necessary - there was a famine, but it was the LAST famine in Chinese history. The Communist Party of China ended 5000 years of recurring famines. Mao did far more good than bad for the people of China, uniting the nation and ending the Four Olds and the Century of Humiliation.
And if you're hungry, here, have a mango, OP

>>17844917 (OP)
>I accidentally killed 50 million people
You know the civil war with the nationalists, the various cliques, the bandit warlords and petty kingdoms in the middle of a Japanese invasion across the eastern seaboard probably might have been (possibly) a contributing factor.

>>17844917 (OP)
its because he learned it from evil white niggers.

>>17845170
Nope

>>17845212
I think so! Yup yup

>according to John Leighton Stuart, the US ambassador in Nanjing 1946-49, three to seven million people starved to death each year in China during his tenure: ''famine was endemic but nobody mentioned it until the communists won the war

>according to John Leighton Stuart, the US ambassador in Nanjing 1946-49, three to seven million people starved to death each year in China during his tenure: ''famine was endemic but nobody mentioned it until the communists won the war''

>>17845204
> There’s no credible historical evidence that 5–10% of the population directly died as a result of industrialization. What historians do note is a rise in mortality rates in rapidly growing industrial cities, linked to overcrowding, unsanitary conditions, and pollution—not wholesale mass death.

> Verdict: No mass death toll on the scale of “5–10%” occurred in Britain due to industrialization. The claim exaggerates by confusing negative urban health outcomes with large-scale mortality.

>>17845292
You forgot to mention how that guy literally compares a timeframe of 80 years with one of 20 years

>>17845294
But China was in civil war for 20 years, coming off of the heels of colonization and western enforced warlordism.
>>17845292
>What historians do note is a rise in mortality rates in rapidly growing industrial cities, linked to overcrowding, unsanitary conditions, and pollution—not wholesale mass death
That is wholesale mass death. Just because it feels less intentional but still acceptable to you doesn't make it better. It also doesn't take into account the dramatic Stalingrad sized battles China routinely had to fight from coast to desert over the span of the civil war, and even prior to its formal reckoning.

>>17845170
> it was da civil war and da japanese
anon ...
the civil war was over for about a decade by this point

>>17845294
> with one of 20 years
the funni part is that the 50 million refers to deaths suffered between '58 and '63
so chances are it was even higher

>>17845298
> It also doesn't take into account the dramatic battles China routinely had to fight from coast to desert over the span of the civil war
see
>>17845300

>>17845279
source?

>another liberal moralism thread
I don't give a fuck
China has food security, energy independence, and is a manufacturing superpower with nuclear weapons, a highly advanced tech and robotics industry, and a comprehensive space program. Before the communists liberated China, it was one of the poorest countries on Earth that had been repeatedly humiliated. I will never criticize Mao.

>>17845165
>The Communist Party of China ended 5000 years of recurring famines.
So they did something every capitalist country had done long ago by then, whoop dee doo, throw some confetti.

>>17845647
All of those capitalist countries had a century or more of development and were not semi-colonial countries like China was. China was dirt fucking poor and was falling apart from repeated famines, civil wars, and wars against foreign powers during the late Qing/early Republican period. China had very, very little heavy industry and capitalist development by 1949.

>>17845653
>All of those capitalist countries had a century or more of development and were not semi-colonial countries like China was.
Oh gee I wonder why

>>17845654
>another retarded nigger that has a racially deterministic view of history
This is by far the worst board, racism is a cop out for stupid retards that don't know how to read books or actually study history.

>>17845657
I meant because they were capitalist, though that may have had something to do with it.

>>17844917 (OP)
Honestly killing all the birds was based. It's time we show this planet who the real masters are

>>17844917 (OP)
Great guerrilla leader, absolutely moronic country leader

>>17844917 (OP)
He said sorry, what's the problem?

>>17844917 (OP)
50m people didn't die. They reached that number only by counting unborn children as deaths to arrive to a bigger number.

>>17844917 (OP)
1. there were no famines after mao, and while "yeah because they all starved" is a clever glib comeback, china's population only continued to grow. clearly, they got something right.
2. he held China together as more-or-less a single nation at a time when it had a serious chance of balkanizing, something that it has - again - done many times throughout its history.

if you put aside your seething hate for commies, it's obvious why he's a national hero - albeit one viewed in a fairly measured way that recognizes that as a national hero he started strong and then made a lot of mistakes, and that as a communist hero he vacillated between idealistic attempts to bring communism closer, and pragmatic attempts to maintain state control and unity. it cannot be overstated what an achievement it is that china hasn't been torn to pieces by internal power struggles and foreign powers.

>>17844917 (OP)
He never brushed his teeth and had sex with young women all the time.

>US pops up
>oppressed under colonial rule by UK
>have the thought that maybe it's cool if people are allowed to own things themselves
>fights a bloody revolutionary war to free themselves from the UK
>almost go broke in the process
>enact free market politics
>global superpower in 2 centuries among millennia old countries
>"Uhm actually mao killed 70million so that people don't have to starve AFTER the fact"
disgusting sympathizers and apologists, all of you commies

>>17846694
Ok boomer

>>17846694
??
communist china went from dirt poor to a world power and worlds factory in less than 2 centuries. half that, in fact.

>>17845709
>Great guerrilla leader
Debatable: you can say he's good because he ultimately won, but he achieved it by cowering back while the nationalists did the brunt of the fighting with the Japanese. What if the nationalists had lost and all of China got assraped into oblivion by the Nips?

>>17844917 (OP)
He had aura
If you have aura, the masses don't really care. Just look at Stalin and Hitler

>>17847037
Quite easy when you can murder all rebels and steal tech from Western nations.

>>17845644
>it only took mass slaughter and brainwashing the entire people to achieve what europe already had
And yet you refuse to step foot in that chink hellhole, how curious

>>17848020
>And yet you refuse to step foot in that chink hellhole
I was forced to visit China for work and now I would move in a heart beat if it were in the cards. It's so much more advanced than the US.

>>17848023
>It's so much more advanced than the US.
HDI of Mexico and a Per Capita GDP less than the global average, not even in the top 60? Or are those just meme numbers according to you?
China isn't advanced, in fact, given the fact it has over a billion people, the fact that it trails behind the US even in terms of nominal GDP is embarrasing, they're ran like a third world country still. We know you're lying btw

>>17848028
>are those just meme numbers
I've seen what I've seen. My mom's side is from Memphis and my dad's side is from Appalachia. Those are poverty stricken crime ridden hell holes, if your numbers say otherwise than you're choking down liberal regime propaganda.

In fairness, I went to Hong Kong and my buddies visited Shenzhen. This was ten years ago and they say they're even more impressive now.

>>17848031
>I've seen what I've seen.
Well then you haven't seen much. It would be like only visiting Manhattan and assuming the rest of the US is like this. You're from a backwater part of the country though so your view on the entire planet is quite frankly extremely warped. Tell me anon, where are you on this chart out of curiosity

>>17848039
>Well then you haven't seen much
Well I've been all over America and all over the world. It might not be fair to compare a marvel like Dubai to a blasted out shithole like Memphis that looks like it's recovering from the aftermath of a nuclear war but most of America isn't really special,except for how badly it's deteriorating. I think you're living in the 90s or something. How old are you, by chance?

>It would be like only visiting Manhattan and assuming the rest of the US is like this
Why would you compare a shithole like that to Hong Kong? wtf lmfao You have no idea what you're talking about. Have you been to either? My God dude.
>You're from a backwater part of the country
I've moved around my whole life. I've been everywhere man.

PS I can taste the apple and imagine it wet.

>>17848043
I think I've made my point. We know you're lying anon

>>17848048
Lying about what? I think you're living in a world that you know you can't handle.

>>17848049
I've traveled all over the world and I'm capable of critical and abstract thinking so I know how retarded it is to generalize countries I've only seen fractions of. I don't think I need to say more, either you're lying or there is something fundamentally wrong with your brain.

>>17848053
Look, I know you're hurt, but things are going to get a lot worse for you.

>>17848055
Why would you even put this much effort into lying on the internet? God damn Tankies are so fucking retarded

>>17848065
I'm not a tankie. See what's happening? You associated a guy liking China with "le communism wins". You're fucked in the head, stooge. Pull it out of your ass.

>>17848067
Oh right I forgot, things are only going to get bad for me, not you, you totally live in Tennesse Province but it's just not in the cards for you to live anywhere else.

>>17848043
>Why would you compare a shithole like that to Hong Kong? wtf lmfao You have no idea what you're talking about. Have you been to either? My God dude.
Even the state with the lowest HDI (Mississippi) is higher than Chyna, I don't think a worldly person such as yourself would get this emotional over places they've visited, I've visited lots of places all over the world and there are good and bad areas pretty much everywhere. I think the other anon might be right, I think you're bullshitting hard. Y'all are posting in a Chang thread

>>17848071
>but it's just not in the cards for you to live anywhere else
Not at the moment.
>HDI
According to the updated indexes, Britain has a higher HDI than almost all of eastern Asia but if you look at any given metric released in the last two years or the opinions of the people living there they will insist it's lower. Places like Arabia literally just buy higher numbers to increase tourism. Even worse when you look at the human rights index, which still places Britain at the upper end of the spectrum despite jailing four times as many people as Russia, a country with two and a half times the population, for indecency infractions. But good on you for trusting the peer-reviewed, fact checked, liberal regime supported science lmao

>>17845666
That's even worse though.

It's pretty metal to keep exporting food while your people are starving. You know what the chinese did? They would trade their youngest daughter with their neighbor's and then when they'd get hungry they'd eat them

>>17848089
>but if you look at any given metric released in the last two years or the opinions of the people living there they will insist it's lower.
Cool, personal incredulity is also a logical fallacy so I don't really understand why you think this is a valid argument. I mean I've visited the UK and I thought it was a lovely place, even the worst parts of London I've seen don't look too different from any other major city I've visited

>>17848103
>personal incredulity
Lookup the raw stats yourself. Not supported by actual statistics,only agencies. You really are a stooge. I forget your entire culture is all about blatantly lying while accusing others of lying and that became your career.

>>17848116
>HDI is fake because I don't like brown people

>GDP is fake
>Per capita GDP is fake
>HDI is fake
How deep does the Chinese apologist rabbit hole go bros?

>>17847846
>you can murder all rebels
I mean, they were the rebels at some point.

>steal tech from Western nations.
the US did the same to europe, though?

>>17844917 (OP)
>50 million
>from starvation
People seriously believe this?

>>17848603
china has like a billion people so 50 mil dying is pretty low for them.