Thread 17846490

Sexuality is seen as bad by 99% of christians. And I don't understand it and I want a debate about it.
If you make a delicious dish or eat a bit more, you are not commiting gluttony. If you play a violent videogame or fight play, you aren't sinning with anger or hurting others. But with sexuality other than having a 2 minute sex act with your wife is sinning.

And I'm not talking about the degenerate stuff many people do today like orgies or getting railed by 100 guys, I'm talking about flapping once.

People that smoke aren't sinning despite not using lungs in the way God intended, but masturbating is bad because you aren't doing the sex act as God intended?

Priests and religious people are supposed to be celibate, but how are they supposed to reproduce then? I believe Christianity decades because many of the believing people died without leaving a replacement.

I don't understand why sexuality is seen as a different category than other human aspects. I get the deal about adultery being prohibited because you break trust in couples and because women are derranged and we are seeing the consequences now about women having no partners, but I don't see adultery as literally any sexual act outside of sex with your wife for reproduction.

Christians believe every person is born a sinful filthy animal, why are you surprised they hate anything humans enjoy?

>>17846496
I want a debate, I don't want cheap fallacies from atheists.

>>17846499
You think humans aren't born carrying original sin? Enjoy hell.

>>17846490 (OP)
>Sexuality is seen as bad
outside of its proper place it leads to suffering and ruin
but that presupposes that you give a shit about the dominion of Christ and his people, and about doing that which is required to ensure their eternal life.

Since you are no doubt an enemy of God, you would of course like to see his people engage in all things which will cause their destruction.

>>17846500
I didn't say that. Stay on topic
>Enjoy hell
Not this retard again...

>>17846504
Doesn't that apply to things like smoking and eating extra food as well?

>>17846490 (OP)
I don't get it. Why do atheists keep making those threads, faking interest in divinity?

>>17846499
>>17846530
Quickly turning into seethe at atheists thread #490883

>>17846490 (OP)
Psychologist here. There's a lot that could be said here, but the most important thing is that sexuality and procreation in general elicits particularly strong emotions in most humans, probably due to its evolutionary significance. Just look at what topics are almost always guaranteed to cause a media outrage: abortion, in vitro, anything connected with sexual orientations, sexual education etc.

Whatsmore, sex is often intuitively perceived as something lowly, impure and animal-like. This is pretty much culturally universal. Reactions to breaking cultural rules connected with purity (both physical and spiritual) and connected with sexuality are very strongly correlated and linked to exact same neural patterns. Christianity is especially fixated on this disgust towards the earthly, animalistic component in humans, portraying it as something shameful that we should struggle to suppress. So sex triggers Christians and it triggers them especially badly compared to other things they may dislike.

If you're looking for some well thought out, logical argument for Christian attitude towards sexuality, I don't think there's one, or at least one that wouldn't be a post-factum justification to how they feel about it. But there's a cause in how our brain works and perceive such things.

I generally very much recommend (to everyone) familiarising with J. Haidt's research and theories on human morality, emotions and mechanisms behind moral judgements. It was a fascinating and very eye opening read to me back when I was a student that puts a lot of things about society, culture and debating in a new context and genuinely helps understand the world better (and is backed by mostly solid research). "The Righteous Mind" is a good summary of his work.

>>17846507
You just called it a cheap fallacy you braindead moron.

>>17846541
You guys do the same everyday with spamming threads, so yeah, both friends and equally dumbs here ;)

>>17846530
one of them was literally posing as a Christian. After he was discovered, he stopped

>>17846687
One more thing
This spammer was killing threads, I think the mods took care of the guy. Good

>>17846490 (OP)
Sexuality is sacred because it lies at the core of human nature and life. God has imposed strict rules about sexuality, so apart from their specific merit we can say anyone who ignores them is guilty of evil because he has disregarded the will of God. But sexuality is a sacred and good thing, so long as it occurs within its proper confines, namely the covenant of marriage. The idea sex is bad is thoroughly Romish and unbiblical and I see that has colored your perception.

>>17846490 (OP)
>Sexuality is seen as bad by 99% of christians. And I don't understand it and I want a debate about it.
That's a misleading way to put it. Besides a good chunk of sexuality in the media being downright degenerate, this is mostly a question of conservatives happening to be both more likely to conserve their religious traditions AND to uphold cultural purity code which naturally includes sexuality. I don't think there is anything about Christianity that is anti-sex unless you get to literal saints.
>I'm talking about flapping once
Fapping once happens. It's not a tragedy.
>People that smoke aren't sinning
Says who?
>religious people are supposed to be celibate
Not exactly. If your main goal is complete spiritual mastery and holiness, you will have to sacrifice worldly things such as wealth, comfort and sexuality, but it's not like that is the default. Marriage is an important sacrament.

>>17846624
>Christianity is especially fixated on this disgust towards the earthly, animalistic component in humans, portraying it as something shameful that we should struggle to suppress
It is only through obedience to higher principles that we become somthing more than mere animals, The ability to rein over your body with your mind, to suppress your fleshy impulses, is how God's people create a kingdom that glorifies God.

Now, if you want to instruct people to behave like animals according to their lower nature, that is your prerogative. But it is shameful of you to do so.

>>17846490 (OP)

Repent.

>>17846490 (OP)
>If you... eat a bit more, you are not commiting gluttony

That is literally the definition of gluttony, anon.
Excess in eating.

You don't get to redefine what universal virtue is just because you feel scandalized by your own inability to measure up to them.

>>17846490 (OP)
>Sexuality is seen as bad by 99% of christians.
When you start your post with a lie, I just dismiss the rest of it out of hand.