Mama Mia...

Some people cope by saying that Natufians, CHG and Iran_N exist in europeans but then what is the difference between europeans and levantines? you have to draw the line somewhere.
I would say that at least Natufian is defninitely non european

>>17846801 (OP)
I knew italians weren't ytbois cuz they are too based, you don't need a g25 graphic
Also there is up to 10% CHG ZNF and natufian in North Italy too if you use qpadm

>>17846823
iran n is actually more non european than natifian

>>17846845
True but they need to cope that WSH isn't swarthoid

>>17846801 (OP)
BASED! kill whitey

>>17846850
I tried to be on your side dude.
Then neither Iran_N nor Natufian are whites.
Most european have small amount of ANE which was part mongoloid. Therefore all europeans have some mongoloid admixture, this don't mean all of a sudden that mongoloid admixture is european. It's a matter of proportion.
And I do consider all Italians and even Maltese and Cypriots to be whites.

>>17846858
Wdym on my side
Realistically how italians are considered has no bearing on their wellbeing.
I just said that "natufian" is considered less white than iran_n because you can model yamnaya without it. Even if it isn't.
Natufians were like 90% west eurasians lol
Iran_N was far less caucasoid.

I think natufian is slightly closer to WHG than iran n right? That's how I would measure europeaness but that's just me

>>17846865
Yes it's closer to WHG. But WHG isn't really that close to modern euros. ANF/EEF is the closest to the european cluster all things considered. Most euros are on a cline between ANF/EEF and WSH. Only exception being Cypriots but they're still considered white outside of autistic environments.

>>17846864
>Realistically how italians are considered has no bearing on their wellbeing.
It has. You don't want Italy to be considered a nation of sand coons.

>>17846936
I'm sure they are shivering in fear man

>>17846801 (OP)
>>17846823
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>>17846831
How in the hell is CHG non-White? It literally makes up WSH?

>>17846936
literally no one cares here, have sex and touch some grass

>>17846942
>>17846944
Most Italians online clearly care at least.

>>17846943
CHG by itself isn't, but too much CHG makes you a churka and it's isn't good

>>17847017
I meant CHG by itself is.

>>17846943
The redpill is that the "aryans" were phenotypically dark churkas that spread their culture out of the mountains that quickly enveloped a lot of horseniggers which were more or less white.

>>17846801 (OP)
>southern Italians are non whites according to 4chan incels
>southern Italians also are genetically closest to Mycenaean Homeric heroes and other ancient Greeks
Nordsisters... Does that mean ancient Greeks weren't white?

>>17847206
They were intermediate genetically. As they said so themselves desu. Aristotle said they were the golden mean between the west and the east. Only in the minds of western rejects that don't like western culture (feminism, gynocentrism, christianity) were ancient greeks ever correlated in any way with western europe.
Thinkers like Spengler had the decency to admit Greeks were an eastern people. Nothing to do with anglo degeneracy and effete affinities

>>17846801 (OP)
>"non-European" even though it's mostly Greek-related
Are Padanos and Jeetberians going to keep ignoring that South Italy was colonized by Greeks and all the ancient Greek samples clustering with them?

>>17847281
They think that magically the greeks disappeared and got suplanted by a cosmical race that came from nowhere

>>17847049
>"aryans" were phenotypically dark churkas
Churkas don't look like that, they lack ehGOD genes.

>>17847281
>place located near ASIA MINORE has high non-european admixture
Wow, who could have guessed?

whites were enslaved and trafficked into Northen Italy during the Early/Middle/Late Mideival period

prior they were enslaved extending back to literal days of Rome so mongrelization is the result

a lot of Italians arent even real Italians but descendants of slaves/barbarians waving a foreing flag

>>17846865
Iran_N is a lot more ANE than natufians and whg

not to mention whg were midget dalits

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>>17847483
Chersonesus is in Ukraine bro, it's modern Kherson. The sample might be Dorian or Thracian, we don't know. Historically it should be dorian but it looks like thracian samples. (It might just be dorians were similar to thracians)

>>17847537
The sample is Dorian. Dorians were between Thracians and Greeks.

>>17847525
>not to mention whg were midget dalits
WTF are you on?
1.Avg WHG height was 180cm
2.WHGs likely weren't black/brown.
3.WHGs actually didn't have brown skin.
4.Elite yamniks had I2 haplo.

>>17847537
>greek colonist genetically resembles greeks
WOW

>>17847558
>1.Avg WHG height was 180cm
Aurignacians are not whg the average whg height was 150 cm

>2.WHGs likely weren't black/brown.
These whg dalits were black skinned midgets

>4.Elite yamniks had I2 haplo.
Their kurgans are R1b with the occasional J and Q no elite steppe Yamnaya had I2

>>17847567
>the average whg height was 150 cm
incorrect, they were average for the time to very tall
>These whg dalits were black skinned midgets
incorrect, they had lighter skin than iran_n for example

>>17846801 (OP)

>>17847827

>>17847612
>incorrect, they were average for the time to very tall
Incorrect those are UNHG who are closely related to EHG not whg midgets
>incorrect, they had lighter skin than iran_n for example
Incorrect the Iran_N had light skin alleles while the whg had none

>>17847830

>>17847834

what am i (mother is a wasp)

>>17846801 (OP)
>Modern 10-40% SSA admided MENAlattos trying to connect themselves with Italians when literal Cypriots have just 3% SSA admixture

>>17847831
>who are closely related to EHG not whg midgets
no, ukraine hg and iron gates hg were related to whgs mostly since they are like 80% whg and 20% ehgs
and western whgs were still taller than farmers and iran_n

>Incorrect the Iran_N had light skin alleles while the whg had none
iran_n were swarthy as fuck, you don't know what you're talking about, iran_n were dalits, and literally since the second largest component in indians is iran_n

>>17847857
>no, ukraine hg and iron gates hg were
These are mixed between AHG, EHG, and whg you dumb retard
>and western whgs were still taller than farmers and iran_n
ANF and Iran_N were both taller than whg
>iran_n were swarthy
Of course they just weren't black midgets like whg
>second largest component in indians
Second largest doesn't matter and Indians are either majority AASI or majority AASI + steppe

Fuck whites.

>>17846823
Levantines are 10% negroid mulattos on average beside some indreed outliers like Druzes. They simply got some light skin aleles form famers from Anatolia.
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>>17847867
>black
Outdated. Team black WHGs has already been irreversibly btfo. You just didn't get the memo. You'll keep on shilling though even if shown the evidence because you have an agenda.

>>17846801 (OP)
>Le non European

Yamnaya were literally half Chg or something. Do you really expect me to believe that Steppe Aryans were some kind of mulattos like modern Araps or worse literally nedroid Moroccans?

Have you ever seen Araps in your life?

>>17847867
>These are mixed between AHG, EHG, and whg you dumb retard
the tall iron gates were largely whg
>ANF and Iran_N were both taller than whg
incorrect, anf was shorter than the whg and so was iran_n
>Of course they just weren't black midgets like whg
whg weren't black midget, they were taller than iran_n and lighter
>Second largest doesn't matter and Indians are either majority AASI or majority AASI + steppe
indians are more iran_n than steppe and northwest indians are often also more iran_n than AASI, iran_n is a dalit

>>17847890
yamnaya has already been accounted for, that's excess chg from middle eastern ancestry, it's bronze age and iron age based

>>17847902
So CHG in Yamnaya Is good but elsewhere is literally the non European admixture. Kinda comical.

>>17847910
unironically yes, it's a bronze/iron age context, it's not "chg", it's the basal breakdown of a bronze age west asian component that manifests as excess chg

>>17847875
I agree. I have seen tons of Syrians who look "White" but Palis look fully mulattos. I guess that those light skin Anatolians alleles plus less negroid DNA make some miracles.

>>17847910
CHG isn't european. It pulls into a completely different direction.
And that's fine. Yamnayas were mixed euro-caucasian, they weren't White. You are also mixed euro-caucasian.
You don't HAVE to be in the european cluster. Jews are doing just fine running circles around whites while being intermediate.
The average swedish person is some sort of feminist zogbot without soul.
You should be proud to not be that, and be something else. Something with an actual soul, not an aryanoid autist simp.

>>17847897
ANF height varied wildly as your pic shows. Central European farmers were taller than WHG. And I think we should separate WHG height by era and region as well because the late ones were literal pygmies.

>>17847940
The truth /his/ has trouble swallowing:
The old time Nordicists were largely correct in their intuition. The ones that spoke of "Caucasoids", not the ones who were overly specific about blonde, blue-eyed Aryans, and northern white people.

They didn't have genetics or PCAs back then, but if you went back in time and showed them what we know now, they'd immediately gravitate to the concept of West Eurasian.
Ancient Greece? West Eurasian (not "Aryan", not Swedish)
Rome? West Eurasian
Jews, ancient and modern? West Eurasian
Ancient Egypt? More mixed but largely West Eurasian and less SSA genes than modern Egypt

People often don't like this train of thought because according to global PCAs, MENAs are largely West Eurasian, but the 3 major categories, WE, EA, and SSA are very effective at explaining worldwide racial differences.

>>17848037
What's the point of "nordicism" if it's not about nords at all?