What exactly did we lose when christianity wrecked the Classical World?

>>17848387 (OP)
A more realistic understanding of life. Of its brevity, its harshness, its hopelessness, the understanding that justice is structural but victory is always individual, and that at the end of the day it is up to us to find our own happiness.

>>17848387 (OP)
SAAR

>>17848387 (OP)
Gay sex

https://odysee.com/@AmalekInternational:6/The_Darkening_Age:d

Sounds terrible.

>>17848387 (OP)
I wish this board had good threads instead of the same shit over and over.

>>17848387 (OP)
Pederasty.

>>17848408

This is the first time I posted this.

>>17848408
Indeed. It feels like this board is a containment board for crusty kang tourists

>>17848387 (OP)
You know that book is bullshit, right?
https://historyforatheists.com/2017/11/review-catherine-nixey-the-darkening-age/

>>17848387 (OP)
Our cultural identity and self-determination. Western tradition untainted by a semitic oriental religion. The Egyptian-Greek-Roman civilization that had dominated the Mediterranean for 2500 years finally had it back broken and was forced into serfdom. On the flip side, Carthago and the semites finally got their revenge.

>>17848464
hardly the first writer to conclude the obvious fact that Christianity caused the decline and fall of Rome, see Gibbon

The only reason it's not conventional knowledge has been political correctness enforced by Christian elites throughout the centuries

>>17848511
Greeks have nothing to do with the West and most "Westerners" didn't know or give a shit about Classical Civilization before Christian missionaries and local kings compelled their ancestors to accept Rabbi Yeshua

>>17848513
he also talks about gibbon lmfao also nta

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>>17848402
Homosexual sex between priests and prepubescent boys is the rock on which the Catholic church has been built.

>>17848534
When did Jesus say that?

>>17848387 (OP)
Skynet would've taken over by now if it weren't for those pesky Christians.

>>17848531
You'd be no more pathetic had you been sitting somewhere in Europe worshipping a jeet nailed to a piece of stick, allied to a cadre of poo stinking sanskrit interpreters in varanasi, while the legacy of Plato and Cicero was trampled under the hooves of a million stampeding cows

>>17848387 (OP)

>NOOOO MUH HECKIN' GAY SEX AND LITTLE BOY RAPE

If I had to think on the cusp:
>Civic engagement was not sectarian partisan.
I lost the book (World of late antiquity by Peter Brown) but I recall a passage quoting someone who complained about how you couldn't go five feet in Constantinople without someone engaging in a theological dispute. Bartenders, porters, everyone was a wanna-be-philosopher on theology. And you can look all over to see the unending litigious at best and violent at worst sectarianism and ideological purity spiral bullshit. Think about how social media has led to everyone being an expert and everyone being hyper opinionated yet include an inclination to violence into that mix. The worst excesses of our woke vs anti-woke faggotry today and make it more disunited and more volatile. Prior to that and sectarianism might exist but it would be blues vs greens or temporary politics or ethnic tensions, but religion introduced an animus that is all of the above (entertainment for team vs team, not-temporary politics, ethnic tension).

I never thought about that but that's actually a big fucking one. The heterodoxy of philosophical camps is totally in opposite to the Semitic zero-sum tribalism of theological disputes. People go and think the "Dark ages" meant there was a near 1000 year gap between the Romans and renaissance, but you realize from 400AD it takes until the fucking 1800s to actually stop being sectarian Christian riven apart by ultimately philosophical disputes while the Muslim parts of the Romans still haven't escaped it.

Like imagine fucking pogroms and unrelenting civil wars and wars of philosophy. Rome tearing itself apart because of Epicureans vs Stoics.

>>17848387 (OP)
>catherine-
dropped
the real question is "what did we lose after the finno-korean hyperwar?"

>>17848571
>The heterodoxy of philosophical camps is totally in opposite to the Semitic zero-sum tribalism of theological disputes.
I never understood this anyway. The only debate that really matters is how to best please God through action.

>>17848464
>bullshit
It's literally not, no matter what morons may claim?

>>17849392
>It's literally not
Read the article.

>>17848526
Wait weren't those people living in straw huts and banging rocks together before Greeks/Romans civilized them?

>>17848387 (OP)
gay sex and transgender cults, which are now getting revived

>[T]urn your looks to the abominations, not less to be deplored, of another kind of spectacle. . . . Men are emasculated, and all the pride and vigor of their sex is effeminated in the disgrace of their enervated body; and he is more pleasing there who has most completely broken down the man into the woman. He grows into praise by virtue of his crime; and the more he is degraded, the more skillful he is considered to be. Such a one is looked upon—oh shame!—and looked upon with pleasure. . . . Nor is there wanting authority for the enticing abomination . . . that Jupiter of theirs [is] not more supreme in dominion than in vice, inflamed with earthly love in the midst of his own thunders . . . now breaking forth by the help of birds to violate the purity of boys. And now put the question: Can he who looks upon such things be healthy-minded or modest? Men imitate the gods whom they adore, and to such miserable beings their crimes become their religion.
St. Cyprian of Carthage (Letters 1:8 [A.D. 253])

>[W]e have been taught that to expose newly-born children is the part of wicked men; and this we have been taught lest we should do anyone harm and lest we should sin against God, first, because we see that almost all so exposed (not only the girls, but also the males) are brought up to prostitution. And for this pollution a multitude of females and hermaphrodites, and those who commit unmentionable iniquities, are found in every nation. And you receive the hire of these, and duty and taxes from them, whom you ought to exterminate from your realm. . . . And there are some who prostitute even their own children and wives, and some are openly mutilated for the purpose of sodomy; and they refer these mysteries to the mother of the gods.
St. Justin Martyr (First Apology 27 [A.D. 151])

>>17848513
>hardly the first writer to conclude the obvious fact that Christianity caused the decline and fall of Rome, see Gibbon

I don't think Gibbon is really taken as a serious source anymore because he was writing a pro-Enlightenment polemic at a time when the European intelligensia were all huge fedora tippers and like all classicalboos he didn't understand the ancient world as well as he thought he did and was trying to project his and his contemporaries' beliefs onto people from 2,000 years earlier.

Thing is these guys all assumed ancients were enlightened fedora tippers that got wrecked by Christian superstition, but that was obviously that was not the case. They all believed in their own gods and superstitions, they weren't atheists at all. Christianity was a rival religion to them it was not a Christianity vs atheism thing like Gibbon seemed to assume.

>>17848534
sodomite clergy weren't excluded from being punished

>Having discovered a number of homosexuals, conducting an investigation and identifying them, St. Justinian had some of them castrated with spears. And for others, he ordered that sharp sticks be shoved into their shameful orifices, forcing them to walk in a public procession through the agora. There were also many officials and senators, as well as many bishops, who had their property confiscated, and who were driven along the agora until they died a miserable death. The remaining people began to fear, and thus they became chaste.
St. Symeon Metaphrastes Logothete, Chronicle, Justinian, 9

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>>17849473
Philo of Alexandria who was a hellenized jew and couldn't be part of any supposed christian conspiracy of slandering the pagans says the exact same thing, including about the mystery cults

>>17849475
H.G. Wells deconstructed classicalboos pretty hard in Outline of History he said yeah no the Greeks of Pericles' day believed in lots of retarded superstitions and it was a criminal offense to deny the gods.

>>17848387 (OP)
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>>17849485
more on this, Clement of Alexandria in his Exhortation to the Heathen says:

>If you wish to inspect the orgies of the Corybantes, then know that, having killed their third brother, they covered the head of the dead body with a purple cloth, crowned it, and carrying it on the point of a spear, buried it under the roots of Olympus. These mysteries are, in short, murders and funerals... For those two identical fratricides, having abstracted the box in which the phallus of Bacchus was deposited, took it to Etruria — dealers in honourable wares truly. They lived there as exiles, employing themselves in communicating the precious teaching of their superstition, and presenting phallic symbols and the box for the Tyrrhenians to worship. And some will have it, not improbably, that for this reason Dionysus was called Attis, because he was mutilated... All honour to that king of the Scythians, whoever Anacharsis was, who shot with an arrow one of his subjects who imitated among the Scythians the mystery of the Mother of the gods, as practiced by the inhabitants of Cyzicus, beating a drum and sounding a cymbal strung from his neck like a priest of Cybele, condemning him as having become effeminate among the Greeks, and a teacher of the disease of effeminacy to the rest of the Cythians.

>>17849475
To be quite honest EG never _outright_ said Christianity caused the collapse of the Roman Empire he only suggested it indirectly because England at that time still had anti-blasphemy laws.

>>17848387 (OP)
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>>17849509
and now the cherry on top, who do you think that was an advocate for the mysteries of the mother of the gods? none other than Julian the Apostate! https://www.tertullian.org/fathers/julian_apostate_2_mother.htm

>>17848387 (OP)
>christianity wrecked the Classical World
Oh no... the jews' first attempt at world dominion by the usurpation of Rome was thwarted. How horrible.

Christianity gave the right people world dominion until the decided to share their identity with those who never should have been incorporated, leading to the loss of their heavenly mandate and allowing the satanic enemies of the Son to rise again from the shadows.