>here's a temple that is older than all previously known civilizations
>but we aren't gonna dig it :^)

>>17851567 (OP)
>posts a photo showing that it has been dug
Huh?

It's obviously the ruins of Atlantis and must be left undisturbed

>>17851580
>not beyond the pillars of Heracles

>>17851576
about 15%

>>17851585
Which is about normal for such a large site and how recently it was discovered. Unless you prefer they just go in with bulldozers and dynamite?

>>17851583
>not beyond the pillars of Heracles
sure it is if you consider that the Earth is spherical

>>17851586
>recently
>1963

>>17851585
>they haven't dug!
>they did
>they haven't dug enough for my liking

>>17851593
When did they actually start excavations my good retard?

>>17851603
1990s

>>17851610
>they've only dug 15% of a 20 acre site, by hand, with shovels, trowels and brushes, in 30 years
And you are shocked by this?

Imagine a world without Hancock in which we could have talked about the early Neolithic without 80 IQ Joe Rogan watchers shitting up the discussion. Imagine how comfy the threads would be

>>17851614
>NOOO YOU HAVE TO EXCAVATE 100% OF THE EARTH IN THE ASSIGNED AREA AROUND FRAGILE RUINS
?

do you even believe you are making a rational cogent argument at this point

The central american civilizations build vast structures with stone and bone. Those where only the stone age civilization which survived till classical antiquity and beyond. So this ancient ruin in turkey was still buildable by ancient faggots desu.

>>17851567 (OP)
>but we aren't gonna dig it :^)
apparently "they" have dug through the neolithic layers and poured concrete to support the "protective covering". it's for your protection you see. oh and a parking lot. maybe a mini mall soon, whatever.
we'll have to see about putting a drop ceiling in the cistine chapel, maybe some fluorescent lighting, to help illuminate the gift shop and kiosks.

>>17851567 (OP)
bump
Why did they stop digging?
What is Erdogan hiding under the hill?

>>17851788
There are in fact ancient lost civilizations but it's more typically like some people who got the plague. Then the forests or the sea wiped away all signs of life. Just some people and what remains of their lives under the earth, not lost technology or anything like this. But you deal with these Hancock types who think the pyramids were actually super secret energy fields or built by aliens.

I think uplifting such voices is 5th generation warfare unironically, against open and anonymous forums and other spaces. Well-poisoning, if you will, to subvert constructive debate and discussion. Because if you control those spaces, spaces have to become exclusive and thus gatekeeping is necessary. A narrative becomes far simpler to embed and control when people focus in on a discipline and gatekeep, this is what happened with academia. A tyranny of wordcels.

In just the past six months I've seen people I once admired turn to thinking Danes were the tribe of Dan and that we wuz heebs. I don't think they are retarded but now they believe a thing that is retarded, and I don't want to engage with them. I want a separate space, but I know that if I don't challenge them and win then we will lose free, open anonymous spaces. Such spaces are not only new but a serious hazard to certain factions globally, and always will be.

>>17851580
>>17851583
>>17851588
>>17851980
Haplogroup R was in the americas before Q, but only in the St. Lawrence estuary area because they arrived via the European packice and not via the landbridge or Pacific searoute. Academics are totally fine accepting that asians travelled along the coast, or even on rafts all the way from polynesia,- but when airing the idea that Eurasians of the west crossed a SHORTER path of packice to reach northeastern americas, their circumsized foreskins roll in their graves and their conditioning tells them that any pro-european history older than the biblical narrative MUST be Nazi-related.
Graham Hancock is still a retard though.

>>17851980
>thinking Danes were the tribe of Dan
The first king of the Tuatha De Danann was literally named Nuada- which is congnate with Njordr.
The Danann and Danes are the same in name origin, because the they are the sailor branch of the Yamnaya and NOT Phoenecians. Middle-East simping bibleboos cannot handle the fact that their history is Yamnaya-derived because they are nepotistic retards just like what the Egyptian priests told that the Greeks were when assuming they knew all of history.

>>17853279
the thing is that these ''euros'' were pre indo europeans and theyw ere wiped our or subjugated by IE in europe later and then even later IE followed them to Americas to wipe them out again

>>17853775
Im not arguing about wether or not they still exist, but that they did in the first place and from where they came.
If we do enough soil-dna sampling in the next quarter century we will definitely be able to prove about 90% of migratory patterns of the past 12k years, with great possibilities going back double that.

>>17851895
They shut the site down for 30 years because of the Kurdish bs.

>>17851567 (OP)
Why did the cavemen just wake up one day and decide to build this thing? How can that even happen? You need stonemasons, architects, project managers, logisticians etc which didn't exist back then. If they actually had this knowledge they would have built similar structures all over the place not just this one site.

>>17854059
Who says they aren't out there and it just hasn't been discovered it

>>17854059
>>17854123
It was the Cattle-cultures that had dispersed into europe FROM anatolia that moved back in haste when the meltwater-pulse induced climate-catastrophe forced them to relocate back into eastern anatolia that still had relatively stable weather. The European cattle-people had learned to move large glacial boulders out of the way with their cattle, which in europe manifested as burial tombs, megalithic fences and henges, and simple dolmens. When they all merged into mesopotamia again, they merged their knowledge of the northern atlantic region and documented their pre-climate catastrophe geography into a memorial shrine.
tldr;
Göbekli tepe and similar tepes was proto cattle-herders moving BACK to anatolia with a specialized knowledge of how to tumble really large boulders due to having learnt to tumble similarly large european glacial boulders out of their pastures to construct family tombs and similar.
It was the merger of this cow-based tumulus culture and newer Horse-based tumulus culture that sparked the Egyptian Pyramid craze.

>>17854335
What are the cattle cultures

>>17855229
In my context i mean the western cattle cultures which focuses on the Cow as opposed to the Bull.
Examples are the mythical Audhumbla that licked away the ice (the northern example of ice age europe) and the Sun-Cow of Egypt (the Maghreb/Berber/Natufian cow)
We know that the eastern anatolian branches of R was likely the first to tame and/or develop immunities to bovine that others did not have, and thus allowed them to live closer to the cattle and keep them captive as opposed to simply chasing them around for dung fertilizer.
It was likely the act of dung-harvest that instigated the act of domesticating the cattle as well as horses because haplogroup R have it in common with the native american Q that did this to Bison dung in order to grow their crops.
tldr;
the "cattle cultures" in my context is specifically the eastern anatolian origin of cattle herders and their dispersal out into europe, levant and maghreb.

>>17851888
>apparently