>MUH CIVIL WAR WAS ABOUT STATES RIGHTS!
>States rights to do what?
>Uh...well...ya see...

>>17851955 (OP)
Having to deal with non whites thinking they are people is a crime against nature.

>>17851955 (OP)
States Rights to choose.
No one was forced to own slaves.
You do support the Right to Choose right?

>>17851960
>muh non-whites
So the miscegnated South?

>>17851964
Not when it comes to slavery, you psychopath

>>17851955 (OP)
Obviously it's a quirk of Dixie culture, you colonizing Yankee bigot. Their culture is just as valid as yours. Stop trying to force them to comform to your intolerant Yankee culture!

>>17851955 (OP)
To secede from the Federal government.
>NOOO IT WAS ABOUT THE SLAVERINOS NO ONE CAN EVER HAVE A SINGLE THOUGHT ON ANYTHING ELSE ABOUT THE CIVIL WAR OTHER THAN THE SLAVERINOS SLAVERY SLAVERY SLAVERY SLAVERY SLAVERY SLAVERY SLAVERY

The right to peacefully succeed from the Union voluntarily. Before then many believed that a State could choose to leave and become independent whenever they desired, however the federalists in Washington at the time were bloodthirsty tyrants.

protect property rights

>>17851976
Obviously, slavery was central in the dispute that in the end led to the civil war. However the civil war was never purely about slavery. People only pretend it was the slavery war because it makes further discussion practically impossible. It's a thought terminating cliche, essentially.

>>17851955 (OP)
>those mushrooms
audible chuckle

>>17851984
>>17851976
Then what else prompted secession aside from slavery? That's the point Confederates never seem to expand upon after bringing it up.

>>17851984
I also forgot to add that the civil war is a load-bearing element of the identity of USia and USians. Which means it's bound to become mythified and twisted.

>>17851993
Moving the Goal posts. It was fought over the right of secession.

>>17852020
And why is it they were so keen to secede?

>>17852029
>>17851993
The reason for secession doesn't matter. Slavery is long gone, but the federal government is still here, and the precedent set in the Civil War gives it powers which negatively impact us all. Bleating "but muh slavery" is just the thought terminating cliche the elites planted in your head to distract you from your own slavery.

>>17852044
>The reason for secession doesn't matter
The reason for secession was the cause of the Civil War so, yeah, I'd say it matters lol

>>17852044
>The reason for secession
Tariffs. The north had protective tariffs on imported manufactured finished goods, and the Euro nations had tariffs on imported raw materials like cotton. The south wanted out so they could negotiate their own international trade.

BTW the north only freed slaves because otherwise they'd have lost. Using blacks as cannon fodder was a necessity, and causing slave revolts in the south helped destabilize the confederacy.

Lincoln said if he could have preserved the union without freeing slaves then he would have done so.

Modern retards continue to try to rewrite history, make it about blacks, but the truth is they are and will always be irrelevant.

>>17851955 (OP)
>Say the line Cleetusjak!

Do NOT google what "federal" means

Secession is the only legal form of rebellion

>>17851984
If it was about slavery, then the South won, because slavery became the law of the land and non-slavery states were outlawed.

The North only made private ownership of slaves illegal.

>>17851984
>be the north
>want to be britian 2
>become even more financially evil than the british
>start sucking wealth out of the south
>lack of wealth but a need for manufactured goods leads to industrialization
>the south is now one of the largest industrialized economies in the world and still uses slavery
>WOOPS LOL
>better just crush them into dust and forget that ever happened, lol

>>17851955 (OP)
States rights to secede from the union.
This was before people realized that the union is prison that nobody is allowed to escape from.

>>17852213
Anybody ever wonder why the midwest became the US industrial powerhouse? Because that's where all the farmers were going before the civil war because it had such higher quality soil. The entire midwest was a breadbasket for the coast and put most of the agriculture in the east out of business outside of things like milk and cheese which is basically the final line and mechanized animal husbandry. But I digress, they were tariffed too, by the east, they were tariffed so much they created their own industry. Magnates like Carnegie swooped in and bought them up of course.

You can see how everything is an ebb and flow of agricultural development, industrial development and then recession

>>17851955 (OP)
states rights to tell federal ICE agents to go fuck themselves

>>17852217
Any state is allowed to leave, lawfully, with approval from the US Congress.

>>17852233
Technically deportations should be a state thing, and states shouldn't have to put up with illegals in their school systems

>>17852234
All congress is is a decisive body that's supposed to make agreements and treaties to keep the union together and fight its enemies. Once congress is directly antagonistic to the union there is no union

>>17851955 (OP)

>KUNFEDYURUT BAD!!! KUNFEDURUT BAD!!!

>NO!!! DONT YOU DARE TELL ME IM A LIBKEK WHO NEEDS TO GET LOST! I'M A PROUD ANTIF-I MEAN ENLIGHTENED CENTRIST!!

>>17852234
Any slave was allowed to leave the plantation, lawfully, with approval of his owner.

>>17852235
Exactly, it's a chose thing. States have the right to chose to have illegals in their school system and the federal government dont get to do shit about it. And that's exactly what old Dixie fought for all those years ago.

>>17852237
US Congress has full power to give away or not give away parts of US territory. Keep in mind that before secession, every US citizen has the right to go live in South Carolina as he pleases. After secession, he does not. That right is not for South Carolinas state government to give away, since it concerns all US Citizens. Pretty clear-cut and unambiguous if you ask me.

>>17852276
Jefferson showed that acquisition of US territory is basically validate on the principle of how we feel at any given moment. Usually in the idea of how the territory will benefit the citizens of the US. If congress isn't benefiting a subset of states inadvertently or on purpose that state has the right to wave their membership card in the air to force congress to create a compromise

Anybody in the US that was against the compromise of 1850 was basically a subversive element

>>17852286
And I didnt even get started on property rights. Before "secession" I might be a New Yorker who've invested heavily in your shitty southern state. I might own vast swathes of land. Think Donald Trump living in Washington D.C. with Mar a Lago as a winter home.

Who the fuck is Floridas governor to unilaterally nullify his rights? Does the governor have that right? He clearly does not.

>>17852286
So Seward was the largest subversive element in the US prior to the US civil war, and he was leader of the Republican party. Reminder even Seward had enough sense to not push for open conflict at Sumter
>muh slavery muh declaration of independence
>muh universal human rights

The republican party was essentially a modern twitter indoctrinated antifa party

>>17852307
A state has rights above you, the state is sovereign, you are not. You can destroy the state if the state is tyrannical, IE it doesn't adhere to the rights granted to your ancestors. The main role of the state is to protect its people and their rights and it certainly has the right to deny access to its territory.

>>17852319
Nope, sorry, my rights are protected by the US Constitution, of which dixoid governors unfortunately were in violation with their illegal "secessions"

>>17852327
The us constitution is only a thing so that the federal government has to recognize what's written there. The founders believed if they didn't codify people's natural rights into a physical document the federal government would eventually ignore them

>>17852276
The legal bases used to justify most things the U.S government does are downright Talmudic.

>>17852239

This board isn't for libshits nor this site. Leave.

>>17852336
>>17852344
>1. Sovereign citizen and laws and order are very hebrew concepts
>2. ???
>3. The South had a legal right to secede

>>17852346
You're just missing gaps in your historical knowledge due to the oversimplified marvel avengers shit they teach in public school

The federal government is supposed to be weak, we're supposed to raise troops on a state by state basis, and state militias can refuse to fight overseas

>>17852351
by the way, state militias refusing to fight on foreign soil is why we don't have canada

southerners took that loss on the chin and looked west

>>17852346
I am not calling the constitution Jewish. I am saying that type of reasoning is the type you'd read in the Talmud. Not to mention it's a ridiculously post-hoc attempt at an explanation.
This is not the only time American Government &Law gets convoluted to a pharisaic degree, by the way.
Frankly, the sway the supreme Court has over the place is bizarre.
The great big council of rabbis gathers at the Temple to read the ConstiTorah and determine whether Barnacle Geese are Shellfish or not. Whatever ruling they make on the matter is considered to be in-imputable. (Until some latter iteration of the Sanhedrin over-turns it, of course).

>>17852059
Only to leftoids and authoritarians trying to justify the abuses of the federal government, to everyone else it's irrelevant.

>>17852371
The supreme court has no authority over the constitution itself, progressive judges instead use the position to force legislation by manipulating the legal system with fake victims

>>17852388
No authority over the constitution but much authority over the interpretation.
Literally everyone in the united states uses the position to further political ends.

>>17852404
The US, the place founded on independent interpretation of the Bible, doesn't really hold the position of "interpreter" in high regard.
>"kingdom of priests"

>>17852408
This is how abolitionism became mainstream in the US. A bunch of riled up "embryonic Presbyterian" feminist progressives from nowhereville started worshiping blacks. The leaders of the movement (which was generally based around utopian "labor colleges") befriended the daughter of the leader of the Presbyterian church in Ohio which then started shitting out a bunch of anti-slavery propaganda like uncle tom's cabin.

This was right on the heel of the 1850 compromise and was meant to drive a wedge in-between the states. These are the same people that would go on to fund terrorists in kansas

>>17852450
these guys were so radical they would set up little "black towns" in the north and people would riot and destroy them

>>17852450
>worshiping blacks
America's state religion.

>>17851955 (OP)
>US secedes from britain
FUCK YEAH MUH FREEDOM
>south secedes from the US
WAIT FUCK NO NO NO NO YOU CAN'T JUST DO THAT NOOOO

>>17852522
The difference Cleetus, is that the Patriots won, and you lost

It was about Slavery
https://www.battlefields.org/learn/primary-sources/declaration-causes-seceding-states
> For the last ten years we have had numerous and serious causes of complaint against our non-slave-holding confederate States with reference to the subject of African slavery.
Literally the second sentence
>b-b-b-but "muh staytes ryatez!"
shut up Cleetus it was about slavery.

>>17852504
The leaders of the movement got married and didn't write vows and just declared their commitment to them however they saw fit, and all the attendants and waiters were blacks.

>>17852479
>Spring Street Presbyterian Church (New York City): Founded in 1809, Spring Street Presbyterian Church was a vocal abolitionist church with a multiracial Sunday school and membership. It was burned down twice by anti-abolitionist mobs, including during the Anti-Abolition Riots of 1834, but defiantly rebuilt each time.

>>17852556
>Full emancipation in New York had taken effect on July 4, 1827, however abolitionists were regarded by many with contempt, fear, and hatred. Racial animosity played a big part in the riots of 1834. Both the church and the homes of Reverend Ludlow and Reverend Cox of the Laight Street Presbyterian Church, an off-shoot of the Spring Street Church, were attacked and sacked by a riled-up mob in July of that year. At the Spring Street Church, the rioters entered the building through smashed windows, took the remnants of the organ, pews, and galleries they had destroyed and used them to create a barricade outside against the approaching National Guard, who had been called out to control the crowd. Both churches were almost completely demolished and the mob went on to wreck havoc throughout New York.

These guys were the fart sniffiest liberals of their time

>Early settlers were fiercely independent and egalitarian; skilled with the long rifle; and fond of fighting, gambling, tobacco chewing, and horse racing.[13] Church attendance was sparse even in settled areas, largely because few ministers were called to the area until after 1794. By 1799, there were only twenty-six licensed Presbyterian ministers in Kentucky.[14] Sectarian controversies were common among the churches in the more settled areas. In the backcountry where few churches existed, early Methodist itinerant ministers such as the English missionary Francis Asbury rode on horseback thousands of miles yearly to establish circuits to reach remote settlements. In 1796, the same year McGready came to Kentucky, Asbury quoted in his journal the dismal prediction he had heard about the region: "The ministers in Kentucky will be a curse to each other, and the people too; good religion and good land are not so easily matched together."

>>17852617
>One who was spiritually quickened while living in the Burned-Over District was Joseph Smith the Prophet. Joseph became keenly interested in organized religion during one of the higher waves of revivalism which swept across western New York. Approximately eighteen years after witnessing this spiritual phenomenon, Joseph recalled his experience from a distant vantage point. The Prophet asserted that in the second year after his removal to Manchester (a town, or sometimes called township in some states, which in the period immediately preceding the spring of 1820 had not been separated from the town of Farmington), [5] an “unusual excitement on the subject of religion” occurred in “the place” where he lived. “It commenced,” he said, “with the Methodists, but soon became general among all the sects in that region of country.” Then probably placing this religious quickening in an enlarged historical setting, Joseph declared, “Indeed, the whole district of country seemed affected by it, and great multitudes united themselves to the different religious parties.”

>>17852632
>Joseph Smith stated that the Methodists initiated the religious excitement which took place in the neighborhood where he lived during the months preceding the First Vision. At that time, Methodism was replacing the Baptist faith as the largest religious society in America, numerically speaking, and was the fastest-growing religion in the early republic. These ambitious Protestants had initiated the most effective missionary program existent in the young nation. They, in part, solved the problem of the shortage of ministers by not requiring their preachers to be college graduates, and a great many dedicated Americans sacrificed many comforts of life to serve as Methodist itinerants.

>>17852450
>>17852450
>>17852450
>A bunch of riled up "embryonic Presbyterian" feminist progressives from nowhereville started worshiping blacks.

>>17851955 (OP)
Funny how you yankees like to portray the south as uneducated rednecks when the reality of our poverty is from all the free slaves, mexicans, and mulattos living in our lands.
And it is a state rights issue. I have the right to Big Booty Black Women Harem but you yanks couldn't let me live out my fantasy.

>>17851960
Agreed. Never be defensive with these rats. Just remind them their skin is the same color as shit.
>>17851967
Your skin is the same color as shit.