Thread 17853816

what's the board to discuss schizophrenia ?

>>17853816 (OP)
what's the matter, anon?

>>17853823
people say I have schizophrenia. But I don't believe it

>>17853825
do you have hallucinations?

>>17853831
no

>>17853816 (OP)

>>>/x/

>>17853833
/x/ will tell me schizophrenia is not real

>>17853833
kill yourself.

>>17853832
then you probably don't have schizophrenia. It sounds like you just need to touch grass.

>>17853842

Kms? Why? That's a sin.

>>17853847
>That's a sin.

not in your case.

>>17853816 (OP)
sci, fit, pol or x

>>17853825
What people, are they professional? You'll get diagnosed with Schizophrenia if you have some dysfunction in your way of thinking and acting that - to a "normal" observer - seems to severely affect your ability to live a normal life, AND the condition seems somewhat chronic (has persisted for an extended period of time). This would typically be any situation when your mental processes are not occupied much with stuff like work, money, family, friends, hobbies (in that order) but more within the area of methaphysics / philosophy, AND your ideas about how things work, and your own place in the greater scheme of things, seems "out there" and out of whack with how most people think.

Schizophrenia is considered not really curable (albeit treatable with medication), but keep in mind that the field of psychology isnt anywhere near other fields of science in terms of understanding how shit works.

My pet theory is that severe psychosis category mental disease is at least in part the expression of the cognitive mechanism being on the verge appraising the self to some extent as "bad", causing a strong instinct to try to fix that, but lacking the means to do that. This throws the human mind into a cronic state of cortisol poisoning, which is not how we are designed to operate, leading to the breakdown of core cognitive workstreams and "delusions" that serve to mediate the appraisal of the self as bad. But that's just my two cents, I dont know shit, really.

>>17853931
...but I guess according to this I would deem my theory not completely implausible

(Psychosis is triggered by cronic levels of stress and serves to get out of those unhealthy and unnatural stress levels by changing the mental model of the world into a version where the mind feels like it's doing something productive)

Keep in mind that the mind was designed to solve problems like "dont get eaten by that bear over there"

Not "do X, Y and Z and maybe your parents and peers and cute girls wont look down on you three years from now".

Cortisol blasts are meant to last a couple of minutes after which you're dead or hopefully safe. Not three years. That kind of shit fucks us up.

>>17853931
yes, professionals

>>17853931
>This would typically be any situation when your mental processes are not occupied much with stuff like work, money, family, friends, hobbies (in that order) but more within the area of methaphysics / philosophy, AND your ideas about how things work, and your own place in the greater scheme of things, seems "out there" and out of whack with how most people think.
true

Shizophrenia isn't real. It's not a thing.

>>17853989
Well on some level unschizophrenioning yourself is not more complicated than occupying your mental processes mainly with work, money, family, friends and hobbies. The challenge is most likely that doing so would subject your brain to cronic drenching in cortisol, which your designed to avoid because in the natural state cortisol=grave danger of being eaten or otherwise dying, so it is very very painful for humans to suffer cronic states of intense stress.

Maybe one way out of that conundrum is to realize most things people put value on are a bit silly. Like: I made my fingers move quickly over these ivory and ebony keys, that means I'm really smart and important. And to remember that you deserve to feel awesome 24 hours of the day and everyone else do to, but God is apparently an evil bastard so we all have to suffer. But be kind to yourself, at least.

And the real magic trick is not taking things seriously enough to get thrown into the cortisol bath, but still seriously enough to learn how to get yourself to the place where you get the pats on the head you deserve.

Godspeed anon

>>17854089
thanks
have you heard about Tikkun Olam?

>>17854089
I agree with the term "cortisol bath."
I struggle with this myself due to past trauma, and I haven't been able to move past it or resolve the cortisol imbalance. As a result, I've experienced some psychotic features. Being in a noisy environment hasn’t helped either.

I now take neclomiphene to help regulate my cortisol levels and hopefully pull myself out of this hell, which has been going on for years.... it really sucks ass

>>17854149
Yes, I've heard it's the concept behind Anthem, the Leonard Cohen song. That's about it. From I heard, I sympatize with the concept. It's an elegant way of resolving the problem of theodicy.

>>17853816 (OP)
Well, it's just a figment of your overactive imagination. Look into "mind over matter" or how the placebo effect works. You can train your brain into thinking however you're comfortable with.

It’s typically linked to dopamine dysregulation, glutamate dysfunction, and abnormalities in brain connectivity, especially in the prefrontal cortex, hippocampus, and default mode network.

Yes, but within limits. It depends on what you mean by “mind.”

Here are some evidence-based approaches that tap into the “mind”:

>Cognitive Behavioral Therapy for Psychosis
Teaches people to reframe delusions and manage hallucinations.

Can reduce distress and improve insight.

It's not a cure but is effective as an adjunct to medication.

Mindfulness helps with emotional regulation and reducing anxiety from symptoms.

Meta-cognitive training helps patients develop awareness of thought distortions.

Practices like focused attention, meditation, and self-monitoring can gently shape the brain over time.

Dr. Jeffrey Schwartz (in OCD) calls this “relabel, reframe, refocus, revalue.”

Schizophrenia makes this harder due to impaired insight, but it's not impossible, especially in high-functioning individuals.

Some forms of schizophrenia-like symptoms are trauma-induced dissociation or spiritual emergency.

In some indigenous or shamanic cultures, such symptoms are reframed as a spiritual awakening or initiation.

However, this only helps if grounded properly; otherwise, it risks delusion.

Neuroimaging shows that repetitive thought and intention changes brain activity and structure (Hebbian learning).

The placebo effect proves belief and expectation can drive real biological change.

People with strong spiritual frameworks sometimes manage psychosis more effectively, though this is not universal.

Untreated psychosis can worsen brain function. Never rely solely on "mind over matter" without professional guidance.

Many with schizophrenia lack insight (anosognosia), making self-led healing extremely difficult without support.

There are non-medication options (like Open Dialogue therapy or nutritional psychiatry), but they require supervision.

>>17854198
It works like lucid dreaming - ot helps you control your dreams/hallucinations.

>>17854199
Also, if you wanna get into shamanism, just remember that if you're curently a Christian, Shamanism IS NOT a separate religion, it's just a system of spiritual healing/medicine. It's about as much of a "religion" as accupuncture or ayurvedic therapy is a "religion." Hell, even aromatherapy could help weasel you out of that. I hate to hear your current predicamemt. I am schizophrenic, although I've made peace with it because in my case, I constantly have racing thoughts, and since I'm high functioning enough due to my schizophrenia being only mild (schizoaffecfive disorder, manic-type) it has more positive effect on me than reverse, because it helped me study, coupled with autism, and that's why I excel at so many different scholarly fields that most people in the field today would look like utter fools compared to me and my owm works. Instead of eliminate meaning from my life, it gave me a sense of being and purpose. Like they say - there is no good or bad. Just what you make it.

>>17854198
this seems helpful, thank you

>>17853816 (OP)
Meds

>>17854198
>Here are some evidence-based approaches that tap into the “mind”:
Thank you, ChatGPT