Thread 17858103

what do you think about eternal life

>10^26 eons after receiving the gift of eternal life
>But you can't actually do anything but sing in an eternal choir and maybe wander around the new kingdom/eden on earth eating fruit or something, idunno the Bible was pretty vague about it
At least the Muslims get to chill with rivers of wine and honey and wear nice clothing and coom really hard.

>>17858103 (OP)
I have it, it's sweet.

>>17858123
>10^26 eons after receiving eternal damnation in Hell
>it hurts even worse than it did the first day you were thrown in
>You still wish, in vain, that you had never been born
>The clock ticks
>Just the first minute of the next 10^26 eons
You're so fucked. :)

>>17858103 (OP)
I think nobody outlives the death of their body, the supernatural doesn't exist, there are no ghosts or spirits you dont have an eternal soul, all you've got is a body and mind and when the body dies (that includes the brain) the mind dies too because the brain is the engine that the mind runs on, (without an effective brain the mind is gone)

>>17858248
>a-and then the floors... the floors will turn into lava like in that game "the floor is lava" and you'll have to jump around going "ouchie ouchie ouchie" while the lava burns your feet. And every time you step down a phantom barbed demon cock will split your asshole open - but if you stand still it releases a vat of hydroflouric acid right above you.
>Oh oh just you wait though because that's just the first thousand years. Then you go to the flaying room, where demons rip your skin off and- and then they throw you into a giant salt pit and pee on you! And then- and then you and that BITCH in highschool who wouldn't date me you- you both get lit on fire but the fire is like super duper hot, like the sun times a bujillion. And then...

>>17858265
>>17858278
Have fun burning.

>>17858103 (OP)
Would stink.

Nonexistent.
If we would live eternally we were already did.
No need for death to exist and thennnnnn eternity.
Makes no sense whatsoever.

>>17858686
SAAAR

>>17858686
Jesus resurrected. Those who obey God will be resurrected with him. There will be a paradise for the righteous and they will be constantly happy for no good reason. Just enjoying life forever

>>17858265
I interact with spirits every day. Nobody does outlive death but death cannot keep the righteous. They will be resurrected and will live forever.

>>17858278
The christian's idea of hell tells you all you need to know about his revenge fetish. He secretly hates the self-sacrificial altruist morality that calls on him to throw away anything that he feels is good, but only if he can fantasize about the eternal torture of those who don't. It gets him off (because actually getting off is sin/haram)

>>17860151
>Jesus resurrected.
Proof?

>>17860184
Proof is for the righteous only. You have to believe God and then you will experience him. He reveals himself to those who humbly seek him.

>>17860194
>>17860151
What does it mean to obey God?

>>17858103 (OP)
It's overrated. If we lived forever then everything would eventually just lose all of its meaning, we'd have done everything there is to do and everything there is to see a trillion times over until you're just left as a husk of your former self forced to endure the abyss you were forced into. Life has meaning because it ends. People struggle to understand this because they fear death, fear of death is natural of course, but fear of not-dying is difficult to grasp.

>>17860203
In a trillion years God will still be creating my new things for his loved ones to enjoy. Their happiness will be permanent and will never fade away. It is not dependant on external factors, it doesn't require a reason, God will simply give you joy permanently as a possession and you will always feel it no matter what. A joy greater than what we could ever experience with our current bodies.

The new bodies God will give us will be able to experience feelings that we can't even fathom. There will never be a dull moment, there will be so much love and holiness inside us that we will shine like stars. Like a permanent lightning we will be, visible from the ends of the earth shining with the light of God.

It will be a magnificent experience and you wouldn't wanna miss it. It is reserved for the innocent and rigtheous. And for those who have suffered unjustly. The justice God will do in that day will be talked about for eternity.

>>17860195
To be rigtheous. To do good. To hate and reject evil. To be humble. To love mercy. To do justice.

>>17860217
>Their happiness will be permanent and will never fade away.
With contrivances like this, are you really even still the same person? Also, if God just wills happiness into you in heaven, then no novel experiences would be necesarry anyways, "heaven" could just be a black void but you're too permanently drugged up on God-juice to care.

>>17860224
You will be a greater person. Why would it be a black void? God created beauty itself, how awesome must the place where he lives be? It will be full of beauty and marvelous things. A paradise.

>>17860240
>Why would it be a black void?
Why not?
You said it yourself that in heaven God just turns you into a zombie and feeds you endless drugs to keep you happy. I mean sure it doesn't have to just be a black void but it might as well be since at that point it wouldn't make a difference where you are.

>>17860219
Most people are like that naturally without any gods telling them what to do.
There are some psychopaths out there..but theyre not the majority.

>>17860247
Most people have their own definitions of good and evil. You need to be righteous by God's standards.

>>17860249
Most people also have their own definition of God though so this isn't helpful. If you're talking about the Abrahamic God specifically, then I'm honestly not sure I'd want to be righteous by his standards.

>>17860249
But they are righteous.
And also God's righousesness in the old testament is completly absent.
Its basically impossibile to construct morals and ethics based on the bible.

>>17858103 (OP)
What kind of eternal life? Endless lifespan? Not being able to be harmed at all? What if you were immortal and some dudes just kidnapped you for lulz and stoned you 6 feet under?

>>17860251
You will willingly kneel down to him in the last day and beg him to keep you.

>wheat field
I hope they don't have bread in heaven, that shit is toxic sludge. I'd rather have an orchard of apples or a vineyard

>>17860255
The God of the old testament is rigtheous and just. His standards rule the universe. With his wisdom he made all that exists.

You are just foolish and evil. You do not know rigtheousness. You're wise in your own eyes. Not humble enough to acknowledge God's superiority over you.

You disagree with the creator of the universe and think the one who is wrong is him and the one who is rigth is you. A person who has created nothing. If that's not pure the arrogance I do to know what is.

>>17860356
There is a river of wine and a river of honey in paradise.

>>17858103 (OP)
it is logically impossible for there to be an enjoyable shared afterlife.
As long as a being is able to think, they will compare their experiences to others.
And the deprived having to share the afterlife with the privileged will cause stress and strife.
Like imagine having a shitty life where you struggle to believe in God because it's so difficult but you just barely manage to clinch the ending. You get to the afterlife only to be surrounded by people God quite literally played favorites with in life; they were born healthy, attractive, wealthy, lucky. God plays favorites and you aren't one of them. But you're demanded to just eat shit and smile and be grateful you were given a chance for grace at all. You have to pretend that Chad Thundercock struggling with deciding to cheat on his wife or not is just as much of a dilemma as you starving to death or stealing food.
And even if there is no God given afterlife, this applies to any positive afterlife.
The buddhists are correct. The only true release would be annihilation and nonexistence.

>>17858103 (OP)
"eternal life" is an oxymoron
It's not happening cope bros
Accept it...whatever has a beginning has an end. Thems da rulez

>>17860366
You will burn in hell. You worship false gods made up by jews.

>>17858248
Anon isn't going to exist after being thrown in the lake of fire anymore, only his ashes

Common misconceptions about hell.
Humans do not go to heaven or hell.
Hell is purgatory for fallen angels.
Heaven is where the angels and God still reside.
When a man dies he stays dead until judgement day when all who die get raised back to life.
After passing Judgement God preserves them for the next earth, or cast the person into the lake of fire for annihilation

>>17860401
You're not gonna get in heaven with envy.

Eternal life in the current physical universe? Not sure if I'd be okay with that. Although it would be interesting to see how humanity evolves and changes over long periods of time. I'd much rather go to some kind of afterlife to be free from pain, but there's no evidence of that yet.

>>17860554
oh how convenient
>God plays favorites
>You feel bad about it
>Go to hell for being a bad person
Meanwhile
>Be Gods favorite
>Have a great life so you have no reason to feel envious
>Go to heaven where you get rewarded even more

Christcucks...

>>17860554
Truth! Humans will become like the angels innocent and docile.
No more hurt no more resentment no more evil thoughts.
Anon feels that way because he is still living within a corrupted/fallen body

>>17860564
>God plays favorites
>You feel bad about it
>Go to hell for being a bad person
Yes. If you continually unrepentantly envy the wealthy man like a communist God has no reason to bring you into the pure world

>>17860572
>brings up communism out of nowhere
>christcuck
>feeling bad about people with better lives than you is a sin ( let me ignore the bible itself talks about wealthy people having a hard time getting into heaven; did whoever write that part go to hell because of envy? )
thoughts from the mind of the utterly deranged

>>17860582
Nah, you are deranged and illiterate anon. There are layers to this that you are willfully misunderstanding.

>>17860587
>"why does god play favorites? why are some people wealthier, healthier, luckier, and prettier than others?"
>(you): "COMMUNIST!"
lol you're not every good at this. You should leave apologetics to someone else.

No there are no heroes in this world
Or the next

>>17858103 (OP)
A bit of a ridiculous Idea (then again the conceit Salvationist religions with the exception of Buddhism always struck me as silly). But I guess it can comfort and such.

>>17858103 (OP)
"All shall be well, and all shall be well, and all manner of thing shall be well."
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-YdbY9OHdNg

>>17858103 (OP)
>17858103
Sounds like a blessing and a curse

>>17860564
God doesn't play favorites. The ones who suffered will be the most rewarded. Even if you were the one who received the least in judgement day you will still have everlasting joy and more wealth than the wealthy kings.

>>17858265
holy shit imagine actually believing this in current year and not roping

>>17858265
The Soul is mortal.
The body is eternal and will be raised up either in the first resurrection to sit with the Son or the second resurrection to be judged.

>>17860247
Most people are okay with others trooning out, fag-enabling and allowing almost all sexual immorality; defiling the Lords creation.

>>17860356
Heaven will have plenty of manna

>>17860251
I truly can't wait to hear your screams on judgement day. They are going to be sweeter than any music. :)

>>17860401
>>17860540
>>17860545
Tick tock.

>>17858103 (OP)
I dont care for it. If it is, it is. But I’m fine with nothing too.

>>17860564
Don't you know that if you love God despite your hardships you will become very special to God and he will then bless your life?

>>17860203
>>17860245
Christards ITT still haven't refuted these posts

>>17861573
>truly can't wait to hear your screams on judgement day. They are going to be sweeter than any music. :)

Pastor Dave? Is that you?

>>17858265
I think your post is insipid and banal, and doesn't really elucidate anything about the truth of our beings.

>>17858265
>all you've got is a body and mind and when the body dies (that includes the brain) the mind dies too because the brain is the engine that the mind runs on, (without an effective brain the mind is gone)
read bergson, ignorant physicalist.

>>17860203
>life has meaning because we're all going to succumb to entropy and die, bro!
This Alan Watts tier boomer cope is retarded.

>>17862137
Jesus resurrected.

>>17860366
Yahweh, the god of the Old Testament, is a cruel, petty, and megalomaniacal Semitic deity. Dyḗus Phtḗr, the God of the New Testament, is a patient, kind, and equanimous Indo-European deity. They are not the same person. The former is the deity who commands all his followers to subject their infant sons to an ancient Egyptian slave-branding ritual that involves the mutilation of the penis with a sharp knife, so that they can be traumatised, and thus, made more impressionable, obedient, and aggressive right from the get-go. The latter is the heavenly father of Jesus Christ.

There's still time to let go of your anger and hubris and seek the Father's forgiveness, anon.

>>17858103 (OP)
It's like your pic and the beginning of Gladiator where the soul walks through the Elysian Fields all happy and carefree

A long road full of twists and turns without a map, with the possibility of getting stuck somewhere for a long time and with a large dose of pain numbed by drugs.

>>17860203
>>17860245
>>17861825
You only arrive at this conclusion by misunderstanding the role of happiness and pleasure in the Christian religion.
Ecclesiastes deals with just this problem of "nothing new [being] under the sun". If pleasure has no value after you've experienced it for say 10,000 years (something I personally am actually inclined to agree with), why does it have value to you personally now? Pointing out in this thread that fucking endless virgins would be pretty cool for the first thousand years, but after an arbitrary amount of time would be boring, is not actually an own of Christianity and so called "slave revenge fantasy morality" but an admission that the current spiritual framework we run on is simply not up to the task of comprehension of higher spiritual dimensions even right now, let alone for eternity.
God and heaven are not an endless DMT trip but a revelation that is actually inexpressible in the current matrix of human thought, and that includes being outside of concepts like pleasure

>>17863284
Yahweh is the Awesomest being in the universe. He created all good things on earth and in heaven and has reserved the best for the innocent. You hate him because you're wicked and he condemns wickedness.

>>17858103 (OP)
Not as good as eternal BBC.

>>17862143
Estimated IQ: 90
>>17863419
>Ecclesiastes deals with just this problem of "nothing new [being] under the sun".
I've always personally interpreted this phrase (NIHIL SVB SOL NOVVM EST) to more refer to human concerns and desires than any kind of endless life. It's about recognizing that your fears about the present and future are not new or exclusive to you or your current time, as there is nothing new under the sun. (ie. "That which has been is what will be..)

>>17860195
John 8:31-31
>Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;

32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.32

>>17858103 (OP)
We will reboot the mission of Eden and conquer the universe

>>17858103 (OP)
Relieving yet disturbing at the same time. I just hope i still enjoy the same songs after 1,000 years.

>>17862016
Meds.

>>17861510
>there's nothing after death so why don't atheists just rope themselves and end their already short existence?
Why can't theistcucks into logic?

>>17858103 (OP)
Boring unless i get to travel across different worlds and like participate in my favourite stories and shit. Basically controlled matrix is what would satisfy me.

>>17864409
*if there's nothing after death i mean.

>>17864409
That anon craves the void so much that they can't imagine anyone else believing that the void is an option and not choosing it. I understand the feeling, though I know not everyone is that depressed.

>>17858103 (OP)
why would I do that? I don't

And if eternal life were possible... who would get it?

>>17864677
People who trust in Jesus to save them. For example, me! I have it.

>>17858103 (OP)
there is no such paradise that you gain entry to by sitting in a church every sunday to grovel and mumble. there is also no torturous counterpart realm. "heaven" refers to a higher reality in relation to the one below it, and it has its environmental adversities just like any other existence. it is indeed grander, but not infinitely joyous like the dumber religions advertise

>>17864782
The furnace awaits. Tick tock.

>>17864765
you will serve as a battery for the demon you empower. jesus was a man who tried to teach hermeticism, and is now only dust. christianity is a lie and you will be devoured

>>17864786
for some reason i picture you as a fat boy with glasses

>>17864789
>>17864792
The furnace, the furnace! Enjoy.

>>17864795
you are only damaging your own spirit with your adamant shittiness anon

>>17864806
I'm really not. And I don't care about your worthless thoughts on the matter. :)

>>17864810
the day will come when your head finally dislodges from your ass and you will realize to your dismay that you are disgusting. i will now leave this thread that you have ruined like countless others. may you find peace

>>17858103 (OP)
we all have eternal life depending on how you define "we", "life" and "eternal"
>noooo you know what I mean! answer properly!
no

>>17864765
Trusting in Jesus means doing what he said. You have to trust him enough to obey him and pray for those who persecute you.

>>17864414
Elijah was gifted a flying chariot with horses of fire. Imagine how many worlds has he visited while flying through the heavens in his fiery chariot. God is incredibly generous.

>>17860203
Uh, no, strictly speaking for myself, if I had eternal life, I'd be able to do a shitload of things that I normally wouldn't. I know I'd be shitposting and playing D&D for at least 100 more years, before that got tiresome. Then, who knows, maybe reinvent myself as a British guy and go run for office in the UK.

>>17865663
>Trusting in Jesus means doing what he said. You have to trust him enough to obey him and pray for those who persecute you.
No, it doesn't. You're a liar, redefining words. Enjoy Hell. God hates you.

>>17860160
>>17858278
Well put.

>>17867083
God hates you. Tick tock.

>>17860194
>>17861573

>>17860554
So the guy who has everything he wants in this life and has nothing to envy in anyone else gets into heaven "easier" than the guy with nothing who had to struggle just to scrape by, barely maintaining a scrap of faith. God "tests" some people a lot harder than others and that is something that can't be reasoned away theologically. Calvinists once again come the closest to rationalizing this by saying you're just playing a predetermined part and your soul was not in any greater danger than anyone else's who was saved, even though your life was more difficult you were always destined to be saved in the end.

>>17867099
>>17867092
I can't wait to hear your shrieks of agony when you're thrown into the furnace. It's going to be amazing. :)

>>17867151
>I can't wait to hear your shrieks of agony

>>17865681
Understanding the concept of "infinity" seems to be a litmus test for determining whether or not your IQ is at or above 100, protip: you failed the test.

>>17858248
A god that would do that isn’t all loving, and the Christian god is all loving and would do that, therefore the Christian god doesn’t exist.

>>17867100
Looking at his disciples, he said:

“Blessed are you who are poor,
for yours is the kingdom of God.
Blessed are you who hunger now,
for you will be satisfied.
Blessed are you who weep now,
for you will laugh.
Blessed are you when people hate you,
when they exclude you and insult you
and reject your name as evil,
because of the Son of Man.

“Rejoice in that day and leap for joy, because great is your reward in heaven. For that is how their ancestors treated the prophets.

“But woe to you who are rich,
for you have already received your comfort.
Woe to you who are well fed now,
for you will go hungry.
Woe to you who laugh now,
for you will mourn and weep.
Woe to you when everyone speaks well of you,
for that is how their ancestors treated the false prophets.

>>17867083
I'd bet a million bucks that cave would light up like a christmas tree under a blacklight lmoa

If I thought I had to live a whole other life I’d kill myself right now

It's nothing more than an afterlife bias. They cling to it because they're afraid of oblivion. They're terrified of becoming nothing. They abhor the thought that humans aren't some special creation farted into existence by their big "MAN" in the sky. They love the power it gives them. To denigrate those who don't share their delusion. They relish the comfort of ignorance because ignorance is bliss... but knowledge is power. That's why they hate education. They hate open mindedness. They hate progressive thought. They have no qualms with holding the world in thrall to maintain the influence of power and the comfort ignorance... but human progress is a function of evolution and not even their imaginary God himself can stop time.

Make no mistake, despite the mythology there are amazing things that happened because of amazing people. The crucifix would be nothing more than a footnote in Roman history were it not for the fact one of the greatest men to have ever lived was nailed to one. But it's because the man we call Jesus Christ pissed off as many people as he inspired that the cross has become as ubiquitous as his message of forgiveness. He never asked for a religion to be founded in his name. But given the circumstances of his time imagine being a subject to Roman or Jewish rule... wouldn't you want something else? Wouldn't you believe in anything that offered relief from their persecution?

Jesus Christ exists in the historical record. The evidence is impossible to refute as is the evidence that supports the theory of evolution. However, there exists no evidence to support the theories of divinity. The divine mythology was necessary to captivate people. It served its purpose. We should be so lucky to stand here at this moment in time and pontificate and debate the nature of our existence across a globally connected civilization through the miracle of the internet. Make no mistake we live in an age of miracles, but they're so common as to be considered normal.