Do Christians like actually believe they will burn for eternity as in no number not even 9999999999999999^9999999999999999^9999999999999999^9999999999999999 years if they die as sinners? Just thrown into nonstop pain by a loving god. No way for redemption. They actually think calling their holy spirit a bad name just once will give them a permanent ticket to hell. Do Christians really?

>>17862364 (OP)
When in reality Christians are all bound to burn forever for denying the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). Peak irony.

>>17862364 (OP)
Yes OP
Dem da rulez
Enjoy hell assnuts

Sinners go to hell

>>17862364 (OP)
Fundamentally so, yes, by large. I have always tended to believe this. Some Christians favour an Annihilationist perspective, which posits that the damned eventually get extinguished into non-existence after perhaps either a short or longer period of punishments for their crimes against God. I will admit that I have found that idea appealing, at times, though Eternal Conscious Torment is the most traditionally orthodox understanding of the fate of the lost. There are very few, if any, that I would consider Christians who subscribe to a decidedly liberal Universalism point of view. A Universalist who still wants to evangelise to lost souls still alive in the world today, with the idea that witnessing them becoming Christians would get them to avoid a more Purgatory type of existence in a more temporary version of the Lake of Fire before getting purged enough to make it into the Kingdom of Heaven is about as orthodox as Universalists are able to get, and Universalism has exceptionally few adherents who are orthodox Christians by definition. As Christians, we must obviously help others to know and follow Jesus Christ, the way, the truth, and the life, so that they are able to live for the Lord and glorify him, first and foremost, and in doing so, they also gain a place in the Kingdom of Heaven and avoid the Lake of Fire, which is a fate reserved for rebellious souls who wallow in errors, defying God's laws and not repenting of their sins. We must all believe in the Lord, repent of our sins, baptise, and follow Jesus Christ.

>>17862543
>Some Christians favour an Annihilationist perspective, which posits that the damned eventually get extinguished into non-existence after perhaps either a short or longer period of punishments for their crimes against God.
Some Annihilationists also believe this happens regardless if you're good or evil because eternal life in any case sounds far less desirable when you look at it under any level of real scrutiny

>>17862364 (OP)
Not really. If they truly did they'd be constantly paranoid of misunderstanding Gods will, or listening to the wrong, potentially erring, interpreter of Gods will.

In reality, Christians (in normal operating mode rather than sectarian warfare mode) constantly assure each-other they are all on the right side, on Gods side, and are guaranteed entrance in Heaven. They say witnessing stuff like

"I felt Gods presence with me in that moment"
And then the other Christian without exception reassures with
"God WAS there. Jesus loves you", and that kind of thing.

So they do not really believe that Gods will is unknowable or that Gods judgement is in any way in doubt. It's knowable from the reassurances of your Christian friends.

>>17862548
No that's bullshit. Im going to be extremely disappointed if my enemies are not screaming in pain while burning for eternity while I watch from a place of peace and comfort.

You can't really conceive how pissed I'm gonna be if I don't get this

>>17862364 (OP)
No. Not really.

>>17862764
That sounds cruel and spiteful. In fact, doing good deeds just for the promise of eternal salvation instead of simply doing good deeds for the sake of it also sounds incredibly vain, these are other reasons why some theologians lean towards universal annihilationism

>>17862774
Question me...I condemn you to hell fire
Anyone else?

>>17862829
Ya I'll take one of those too. Thanks anon

>>17862364 (OP)
We all die as sinners, dummy. Jesus is the only dude who's not a sinner and we need to follow him.

If you die without his grace, denying the Son, your body goes to the grave and your soul goes to Hades.
After the first resurrection of the faithful there is the second resurrection of Judgement where everyone who refused the gift of grace and wished to be judged by their works will be united with their bodies (body + soul), be judged, know they are imperfect before a perfect God and finally thrown into the Lake of Fire forever along with Hades and death itself. Now its not just your soul experiencing pain for a time its both your body and soul together never dying and forever separated from God. Nobody knows what that means at this time but we can guess its not an experience worth having.

>>17862364 (OP)
Redemption, and the idea that any sin can be forgiven, is a fundamental tenet of christianity

>>17862916
Hades was invented by the Greeks anon. You have theology mixed up sir and frankly its hard to take you seriously

>>17862990
The New Testament uses terms for Hell that the Greeks "invented".

>>17862990
You're correct. The Greeks called it Hades but the Hebrews called the same place Sheol.
Sheol, prior to the resurrection of the Lord, had a space known as the Bosom of Abraham. It was a place within Sheol where the righteous waited and could witness the torment of the unrighteous. Some might suggest that the unrighteous were at the mercy of the righteous in that place.
The Bosom of Abraham doesn't exist anymore however.

>>17862364 (OP)
The evil and wicked will go to hell, the faithless and godless will be erased and the humble and innocent will go to paradise.

>>17862916
To the angel of the church in Ephesus write:

These are the words of him who holds the seven stars in his right hand and walks among the seven golden lampstands. I know your deeds, your hard work and your perseverance. I know that you cannot tolerate wicked people, that you have tested those who claim to be apostles but are not, and have found them false. You have persevered and have endured hardships for my name, and have not grown weary.

Yet I hold this against you: You have forsaken the love you had at first. Consider how far you have fallen! Repent and do the things you did at first. If you do not repent, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place. But you have this in your favor: You hate the practices of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.

Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who is victorious, I will give the right to eat from the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.

>>17862364 (OP)
As a Christian I hope hell is empty

>>17863235
I hope hell is full of the oppressors of the righteous.

It depends:
their clergy? No, they are pefectly aware that hell doesn't exist and only use it as a mean of psychological violence to make their human sheeps fall in line with the marching orders, if they actually believed in eternal punishment they wouldn't be covering for pedophiles;
the faithful? Yes, they actually believe the magic guy in the sky is going to send them to hell unless they give a good chunk of their money to a church.

>>17862364 (OP)
Why do Christians solely face the brunt of every Abrahamic belief/practice. Sand nigger PR somehow coined phrases like anti semitism and Islamophobia. While half this board cries about Christianity 24/7.

>>17862364 (OP)
yes, christians really

>>17863235
you clearly haven't been initiated into the jewish pilpul christcuck discords that shill this board, you're a good man

>>17862364 (OP)
according to christcucks, heaven is full of gay pedo priests, it's ltierally clown world religion

>>17862364 (OP)
Hell isn't even present in the Bible, It's a church invention, just like Rapture. Christians are just utter fucking retards that never bothered to actually read the Bible.

Also. If anything. Heaven is much worse than Hell. In Heaven, you won't meet your loved ones, your dead smelly dog or cat, like the Christcucks think and claim. You will be forced to sing, kneel and serve God for a fucking eternity non-stop, like a subhuman slave.

Majority of Christian concepts are no different than Marvel-tier made up capeshit. With no basis in actual Bible. kek

>>17862364 (OP)
>this thread again
See the following:

"The sorrows of death compassed me, and the pains of hell gat hold upon me: I found trouble and sorrow."
- Psalm 116:3

"But he knoweth not that the dead are there; and that her guests are in the depths of hell."
- Proverbs 9:18

"And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched."
- Mark 9:43-44

"And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame."
- Luke 16:22-24

"For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains."
- Deuteronomy 32:22

"And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh."
- Isaiah 66:24

"The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name."
(Revelation 14:10-11)

>>17863644
>Christians are just utter fucking retards
checked, MOAR news @ eleven

>>17862364 (OP)
>offered chance of redemption
>even a messiah. And a book about that messiah. Also even if you're some spearchucker on Nort Sentinel you can still reach salvation by following your conscience and living a good life
>"wwaaaah!! Why not chance for salvation!"

>>17863644
you're fucking retarded
Hell - Gehenna - is mentionned 11 time as the place where the unsaved are cast into; fitting since it's named after a big pile of burning garbage
Hades refers to the sleep of death or the grave, this one is more of a transitory state before the Last judgement. Mentionned 11 times again.

>>17863846
>reach salvation by following your conscience and living a good life
that's absolutely antisemitic, you must donate your family's possessions or hell awaits

>>17863846
That doesn't make sense. What if part of their culture is killing each other? Or raping? Are they still saved? They follow their customs and know nothing about your god and his laws.

>>17863858
Mental gymnastics. Typical for a christcuck.

>>17862364 (OP)
I'm a masochist.

What will God do now?

>>17863868
Conscience =/= culture. Things can be part of your culture that you still know are wrong because you are guilty for doing them.

>>17864000
That's not how humans work.

>>17863988
Take away your happiness.

>>17864014
I don't know what happiness is.

>>17864021
There is worse place than hell, where even masochists suffer.

>>17864073
Can you tell me about it?

yes my parents believe all of these things. my sister doesn't like it but she grew up with these beliefs so she accepts them too.

>>17862364 (OP)
>Do Christians like actually believe they will burn for eternity as in no number not even 9999999999999999^9999999999999999^9999999999999999^9999999999999999 years if they die as sinners? Just thrown into nonstop pain by a loving god. No way for redemption. They actually think calling their holy spirit a bad name just once will give them a permanent ticket to hell. Do Christians really?
No, real Christians don't believe that. We KNOW that we are redeemed and Heaven bound no matter what sins we commit. Jesus paid it all, all to him I owe; Sin had left a crimson stain, He washed it white as snow. Enjoy Hell.

>By being born into this world by forces outside of your control you are being scrutinized and tested by an all-powerful, all-knowing force.
>There are only two outcomes: eternal life in paradise, or infinite agony and endless conscious torment.
>The creator has left instructions on how to achieve the former and avoid the latter, however these instructions are just one among many, each with their own adherents throughout the world.
>To make things even harder the book containing the instructions on avoiding the eternal torture chamber have been interpreted in different ways by different competing subsets of the same general faith
>People who have never heard of these instructions, or existed before these instructions get a special pass out of the torture chamber if they lived a good life, or maybe not, we don't really know.
>And people around the world who were born into cultures that heavily promoted one of those other competing religions can be saved if they lived a sufficiently moral life and believed in god in a different way, maybe, we're also not sure about that and it's just speculation.
>If you happened to be born in the modern era instead of as a god-fearing serf in the middle of 12th century medieval Europe you also have to ignore the perfectly reasonable materialist explanation for the origin of the Universe and the human species
>You have anywhere from 0 to around 100 years to sort out this issue depending on factors both inside and outside of your control. Good luck.

>>17864611

>>17864318
Which denomination are you? I thought most Christians believe that serious sins can make you lose your salvation

Some see hell as a choice—eternal separation is what happens when a person freely rejects God’s love.

>>17864625
protestants believe that simply believing jesus exists is enough to be saved. When Protestantism is a cope sect because martin luther knew he wasn't going to be good enough to be saved

>>17862364 (OP)
>Do Christians like actually believe they will burn for eternity as in no number not even 9999999999999999^9999999999999999^9999999999999999^9999999999999999 years if they die as sinners?
Not necessarily. Some will go to hell but in a state of purgatory (remaining open to salvation). For example those who never truly heard the Gospel will be in purgatory within hell and still can receive salvation. This is why Christ went to hell to preach.
>They actually think calling their holy spirit a bad name just once will give them a permanent ticket to hell.
This is a misreading of "blasphemy against the Holy Spirit"

The Holy Spirit is the very spirit, or essence, of God. Meaning that blaspheming it doesn't mean saying a bad word about the holy Spirit but doing something so awful that even the essence of God is offended. The scribes and pharisees are the only concrete example we're given because they fully knew of the prophesies but denied the Messiah.

>>17864625
There is a spectrum of beliefs regarding the subject and the discourse can be somewhat confusing. Catholics believe in "mortal sin" which is a particularly evil sin that can cause you to go to hell if you do not repent. The implication is that you can sin without repenting and still get into heaven, as long as it's not a mortal sin. However, many Protestants believe that any sin that you refuse to repent of will cause you to perish in hell. Luke 13:3
I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish.
It doesn't say, do what you want and only repent of some specific sins. It says, repent.
Matthew 5:48
Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
In order to be perfected you have to repent (turn away) from a sinful life. It doesn't mean you literally need to be perfect, it means that in order to be perfected by God, you have to have a sincere desire to follow God's will, and you must hate what God hates, and love what he loves.
God doesn't want sin in his presence because he is perfect, similar to the way you don't want mud in your house because it is clean. Repentance is the house that prepares you for entrance into God's house.

>>17864665
which is why 99.99999999999999999999999% of all humans to exist will never enter heaven because achieving perfection is impossible for nearly every human to exist

>>17864636
>protestants believe
*honk, honk*

>>17864684
All you need to do to achieve perfection is allow God to perfect you by repenting of your sin. Nonetheless:
Matthew 7:13
“Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it."
I don't know if that's 99%+ but it's definitely at least 50%+ will not make it.

>>17864625
Fundamentalist Baptist. King James Only. It doesn't matter what most "Christians" believe. For example, this rat >>17864665 is going to Hell.

>>17862364 (OP)
It should be obvious just by living in this small version of hell that there can be a bigger one.

>>17864718
you literally have to constantly ask for forgiveness everyday you aren't able to be perfect it's pure chance whether you end up being saved or not