Since the Enlightenment, with figures who rejected Christianity and embraced the classical, why don't we go back to worshipping Greek and Roman gods and practicing their pagan religion? If we're gonna larp like them, we may as well go all out and practice their religion.

>>17863538 (OP)
>Since the Enlightenment, with figures who rejected Christianity and embraced the classical, why don't we go back to worshipping Greek and Roman gods and practicing their pagan religion?
Because they also don't exist?

>>17863538 (OP)
The old gods are real, but I'll be honest with you, I don't think they care about most people nowadays. Abrahamism was a rejection of paganism and every nation that fell for it willingly embraced the lie of monotheism to get some kind of benefit. Now that we're finding out it sucks we're just going to... what? Return? Playing pretend pagan is gay and probably offensive to those deities.

The pentecostal church is the fastest growing branch of christianity and it is almost explicitly dionysian.

>>17863538 (OP)
For two reasons
1) There are no returns
Once an era passes, every "return" to that era is just a reference, it's never a genuine return to how things were. If you make a silent movie today, it won't be a silent movie. It will be a reference to the era of silent movies because we are no longer in that paradigm, we no longer view reality and media like people during silent movie era did and the movie is thus not a genuine piece of expression, but a reference. This is about the only useful thing I've ever heard from Slavoj Zizek btw.
2) They got btfo'd
Even if there was such a thing as a return, returning to Hellenic paganism would be a massive step back. Everything people criticize in Christianity - the contradictions, questionable morality, inexactness and so on - everything is even worse in Hellenic paganism. And so people gave it up. And paganism cannot be resurrected just like that, from (Christian) books and chronicles, it requires direct participation.

>>17863581
So how did every era of the dominant religions evolve? It kinda looks to me like this:
(Idk what they did during this time)->Animism->Polytheism->Monotheism->Nontheism

>>17863598
That seems to indicate a movement from complete immanence of the divine to its complete transcendence (meaning it simply does not exist in any meaningful way in our world). If anything the cycle will return back to complete immanence.

>>17863568
Only Pajeets say "Abrahamism."

>>17863615
What other term is there?

>>17863621
Truth

>>17863623
Which truth? Islam?

>>17863598
I would say it's
Shamanism > Animism > Polytheism > Monotheism > [idk what they gonna do during this time]

Atheism and non-theism gets a lot of attention mostly because today's governments are overwhelmingly secular so atheism becomes it's the most politically correct default stance overall that doesn't challenge the status quo. Meanwhile, the growth of the atheistic population is pretty much indistinguishable from the margin of a standard statistical error.
I don't think it's impossible that some form of non-theism becomes the next evolutional step, but something like gnosticism seems to be more likely from where I'm standing.

>>17863628
I wouldn’t say Shamanism was superseded by Animism, I felt it was apart or at least working alongside it at the time. Yeah I put nontheism just from my assumption, at least where I live, the trend of more people moving to urbanized areas/cities would lead to people tending to be less religious when growing up in an environment like that even with strict religious upbringings, at least how I feel it here. Maybe less non-theism but more agnosticism.

>>17863657
You could argue shamanism worked alongside paganism too. The reason I put it at the start is because it's the least developed form of cult. Where animism requires at least some sense of institution, for shamanism it's entirely enough that one guy in your tribe is getting visions.
>less religious
That is fair, but atheism, non-theism and irreligiosity are slightly different. Atheism doesn't really grow, but irreligiosity does. Meaning people are leaving organized religions, but maintain their belief in something-out-there. That's where I suspect gnosticism would creep in, because it's actually a pretty sexy belief.
>agnosticism
That's a fake term that just muddies up the waters. Almost all of us are agnostic one way or the other.

>>17863626
Samaritanism duh

>>17863581
>Everything people criticize in Christianity - the contradictions, questionable morality, inexactness and so on - everything is even worse in Hellenic paganism.
Yeah if you read Ancient Greek primary sources they had the same exact theodicies Christians use - except they try to apply that to ALL of their different gods kek which is harder

>>17863538 (OP)
enlightenment niggas studied like several hard sciences at once and then some art, that's why they lmao'd at christcuckery, compare it to today, they study 0.00001 science, society is degenerate, decaying, absolute shithole of a world, that's why christcuckery prospers... in the hearts and mind of the retarded

>>17863538 (OP)
The enlightenment was cherry picking. The enlightenment also led to abolitionism through the rights of man yet ancient Greece and Rome were slave-fueled powers and most definitely didn't not believe that man had inherent rights to liberty.

>>17863560
Enjoy Tartarus

>>17863901
So now you're a Hellenic-Shinto fusion? Make up your schizo tripfag mind

>>17863909
I'm not Simon Salva

>>17863581
>Everything people criticize in Christianity - the contradictions, questionable morality, inexactness and so on - everything is even worse in Hellenic paganism
How?

>>17863538 (OP)
weren't most greek and roman gods complete assholes???

many did. a lot of the key figures in western history and culture were pagans. ficino, giordano bruno, etc.

>>17863615
What else should one call the Abrahamic religions collectively?

>>17863538 (OP)
A few people have.

>>17863538 (OP)
>why haven’t we returned to a system where we exalt statues of human beings as gods, brutally murder and torture animals as sacrifices, and listen to witches telling us our horoscopes as a source of life direction
Hellenic paganism was abandoned because it was shit. There’s nothing to return to. If Christianity didn’t take off in Rome then the Greeks would’ve adopted some form of neo-platonism or bite the Zoroastrian bullet because things degenerating fast.

>>17864435
People of the Book, the term used in civilization for the past 1200 years perhaps.

>>17864475
Only muslims use that term. Everyone reffers to the collection of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam as the "Abrahamic" faiths. While I haven't seen "Abrahamism" used much at all, it makes more sense than using "people of the book".

>>17864576
Isn't that the specifically Muslim term?

>>17863538 (OP)
Deism, Pantheism and Atheism/Agnosticism are more enlined with the Enlightenment beliefs/theology rather than Polytheism/Paganism. Plus they are more novel and have secular application.

>>17863628
> [idk what they gonna do during this time]
Mammon worship

>>17864730
Yes, and he's just some brownoid who hates Indians. Abrahamism is an offensive term for him because it makes his voodoo cube religion look as stupid and unoriginal as the rest of them.

>>17863538 (OP)
look up how mainstream hellenism is on youtube or instagram. Its all greek larping mentally ill trannies

>>17865236
Neo-paganism is all performative, if you want to see polytheistic practices, good place to start is rural asian villages (excluding india cause rape and other christian/muslim countries in the region)

>>17865263
I'm quite sure I know some neopagans who actually believe that their gods exist.

Serious question
Why do modern Greeks love to hype up their connection to pre-Roman Greece, but seemingly never talk about the period between the ancient Roman period, and especially from the establishment of the Eastern Roman Empire and the 'Byzantine' Empire? Yes, yes, Roman means Italian or whatever, but after Justinian their language was Greek and many Greeks called themselves Ῥωμαῖος into the 20th century.
As a child I never knew about the Byzantines, or even the Ottomans, it wasn't part of my country's curriculum, but now I know about it, it just seems like the Greeks want to pretend it goes Zeus, Plato, Alexander, and then we jump straight to hairy fat blokes at the beach eating feta on lamb.

>>17865263
>rural asian villages
You can see this shit in Seoul and Tokyo

>>17865236
Aren’t neopagans either nazis or SJWs and never anything else

>>17865802
Who uses the word "SJW" in 2025?

>>17865808
What's the new term?

>>17865820
"Woke", generally. Which is kind of a stupid choice since it's literally just a dialectal form of "awake", but that's besides the point.

>>17865574
Kinda find it based that polytheistic religions manage to survive to the modern day. Any other places I can find it? (No crypto-pagan shit)

>>17865826
Can't we just go back to simply calling them faggots? Why jump around all of these retarded terms when a good old fashioned "fag!" get's the job done?

>>17865851
I think technically those refer to slightly different subsets.

>>17863581
>Everything people criticize in Christianity - the contradictions, questionable morality, inexactness and so on - everything is even worse in Hellenic paganism
Can someone elaborate?

>>17863926

I'm on (Your) lips and tongue every day, lol.

>>17865570
Most realistic Greeks meme about ancient Greece, but also recognize is far more distant in mores, culture and geopolitical understanding than the ERE

>>17863538 (OP)
Enlightenment showed us that gods are retarded and its especially retarded to wait for some imaginary demon's approval to act.

>>17864276
Are you saying yahweh is an incomplete asshole until you stick your head up there?

>>17864576
>the Book
But they all use different books and most other non-abrahamic religions use books too, the main thing in common with "People of the Book" is that their book is about Abraham and his descendants being chosen by god to deliver his message to the world.

>>17865830
Probably a fair bit in random parts of Africa, the Amazon etc but its basically just Asia at the macro level.

>>17863538 (OP)
You fags hate christian identitarians but Greek and Roman religion was that turned up to 11. Except instead on one group identified as being of God, you had a group of people that each traced their ancestry to a different god.

Go back to that, if you want, if you know how to tell which are of what one.

>>17867983
Also, Zoroastrians are considered "People of the Book" and they aren't even Abrahamic.